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@ jpphilips

i am happy u accept that Nigeria is a failed state reaping the fruits of genocide. Pls stop ur ad hominem argument by asking if i am a nigeria. That doesnt erase the fact that Nigeria is a failed state and nothing can save. Leave trump alone and focus on ur failed state

Btw u seem to have deep fear of IPOB just like other guilty Nigerians. Otherwise why bringing up ipob in an unrelated topic. U vacillated, oscillated and dilly dallied typical of a disgruntled Nigerian looking for whom dump his misery and vent his frustrations on. Goodday!

Like u rightly said i dont deserve ur mention. Keep ur word if u have integrity.

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997] .




Tell us you just read CNN news bar to know Germany took in refugees as if your TV didn't show you poorer nations like Greece who took overwhelming number of refugees?
What relevance does taking in refugees have here? Are you an aspiring refugee?
Anyways, it might interest you to note that after taking in those refugees, Merkel's conservative party just lost most of their seats in Parliament, guess the younger German people have spoken through the ballot. Angela Marckel is not sure of becoming the next Chancellor, what does that tell you? Even Charity has to be politically correct to be appreciated, I suppose your Heroic Germany has indicted you on political
"Correctness",

u implied taking refugees was no big deal yet u want to score a point against Germany with it. Logic! Btw many countries in europe rejected refugees that Germany is accepting and that is earning them respect. The protest and loss of mekels party resulted from increased terrorism by suspected terrorist within the migrants. The apprehension is also in Us and france not only Germany, which is why trump is gaining grounds.

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997]Wrap your face and emotions in sentiments for all I care, without the coup, there will be no counter coup that degenerated to a pogrom, that is common sense, though I don't expect you to string it together, Can you even fathom a situation where a Major killed a prime Minister? a lieutenant Killing a General? The death of Ironsi means no Head of State, it was total chaos, who could have controlled the situation when the HOS was tied to a Landrover?
No matter how well the counter coup was planned it was bound to spill to the streets and that was exactly what happened, the HOS is in command of Army, Navy, Airforce, Police, Immigration etc, you tie him to a land rover and expect the carnage not to spill?
where are thy brain? Worse still, the same people who killed the HOS are the same people who took control of governance do you expect the killings to end?
Thank God for Ojukwu/Nkrumah who extracted a commitment of peace from the new HOS, IG of Police, all the premiers at the Aburi conference. You need to understand that the pogrom was a function of a breakdown of law and order as a result of the caliber of people who were assassinated, they held positions of authority and influence. There was power vacuum, everybody was doing as he or she likes, are you aware that Nigerians first heard of Ironsi's death when all the parties returned from Ghana, so who was piloting the affairs of the nation hitherto?

If you still can't connect the Pogrom with the coup, then you are dumb beyond help.

I brought cause and effect to your notice

u justified the pogrom as the necessary effect of the counter coup while at the same time saying there was break down of order. U implied igbos should accept pogrom as consequence of 'their' coup while at same time blaming the pogrom on lawlessness. U re pathetic. Btw the pogrom started with the counter coup. There was no power vacuum. It was done by army under gowon's command and nothern civilian. I dont blame u. U re a nigerian brought up in a pit of lie thinking u re educated

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997] .

[color=#000099]You are still rambling absent facts, in what way did Germany pay for Holocaust? In what way did Germany pay for world war 2?

What empirical evidence do you have to support that? You make assumptions and pass it off as a fact then gloat over it as if you have a point .
Going by your warped logic, Japan lost to the US in the 2nd world war because they committed some Holocaust too? Argentina lost to the British in the Falkland war because they committed Holocaust i guess?
Perhaps IPOB should have won Nigeria because Nigeria committed genocide abi?
Infantile reasoning.

After the second world war Germany lost their global influence because they were defeated nothing more!! When you lose in battle you are fvcked, it happens everytime & everywhere only an uneducated Nigerian youth doesn't know that.

just look at the statements in bold and see how answered ur own question and foolishly contradicted ur sensless ranting. Do u have brain at all? Do i need to reply u when u've done that already?

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997]
UN security council permanent seat for Germany? Based on what? Your own usual hallucination?
Perhaps you just googled that part and you chipped it in to sound intelligent abi?
Did Germany tell you that they want a sit there? You just exposed yourself that you have no idea what that council is about except for a quick Google search you just did.

save ur silly and senseless questions! U should have also asked whether Germany wanted to win the ww11. They dont want global influence yet they embarked on imperialistic conquest in Africa like france &Uk. U type heap of rubish without making one sense. Stop reasoning upside down. Germany doesnt want it but ur failed Nigeria wants it abi?

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997]
You continue making aimless assumptions, Let me educate you, not that you deserve it anyways,
first, there was no security council before Germany was defeated hence Germany can not wish for something that does not exist except in your own imagination.

Secondly, after the defeat of Germany, the permanent members of the Security council are victors of the second world war rightly put "Association of people who defeated Germany " why would Germany wish to be there? To celebrate his own defeat? Who does that? Is that how you reason?

kid! Stop foaming from the mouth! loosing the security council seat was part of loosing global influence. UN formation was an aftermath of German defeat but has become a world decision making organ that include all independent nations. All the perm members of sec council are the 'mates' of Germany before WW11. Hence Germany needs the seat if she must return effectively to Global politics. Even US considered that option in order to pre-empt their possible alliance with Russia. No nation wants to be shut out even north korea! May be Germany's membership of UN means they re celebrating their defeat inur funny logic

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997]So teaching Holocaust in Nursery school amounts to Atonement? Is that how you reason? look up that word in the dictionary if you have one.

i dont blame u if u dont know how important such history is to national stability. Are u not a citizen of rotten Nigeria who was ruled for better part by illiterate army generals. I bet u wouldnt know how silly ur reasonong is if u dont step out of this hellhole

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997] that takes us back to the fundamental difference between OBJ and Aguiyi Ironsi. Obj understood that harmony and unity in diversity thrives on justice and trust hence he was able to avert a would be Murtala bloodshed

u re not making one sense. After ironsi was killed genocide on Igbos was followed which u justified. When Gowon, a middlebeltan, was outcouped, middlebeltans led coup killed muhammed. Dimka even admitted they wanted to restore gowon. Obasanjo killed dimka the way north killed ironsi, why didnt they go further and carryout genocide againt middlebeltans they it was done on ironsi's pple. Answer me and stop ur delibrate obfuscation just to impress me with ur new learned word 'political correctness'

jpphilips:
author=Noneroone post=44185997] [s]
Germany was forced to pay reparations by Allied powers who defeated them not out of goodwill, I don't care how slow you are to learning, I will not remind you that
Perhaps you just googled WW2 to be making noise here, don't you know that Germany was equally forced to pay reparations after their WW1 defeat? Have you heard of "treaty of Versailles"? Idoubt, perhaps it wasn't taught at the [b]free[/b]community school you graduated from.[/s]

was it paid or not?

Its like Buhari has perfected plans to stop 13% derivation

jpphilips:
You speak from two sides of your mouth, You implied Nigeria will not prosper based on the foundation of its history on one side, on the other, you recognize that Germany that did worse is a prosperous nation.

read well before u reply. I did say that Germany paid enormously for the holocaust and WW 11 and the subsequent prosperity was after some atonement and reparations . After the holocaust they lost their respect and after the second world war they lost global influence. Especially not being a parmanent member of the UN security council. German could have spoken in Africa just like English and French if not for their loss

jpphilips:
To justify your confusion, you claim that Germany did some form of atonement and I ask; Do you really understand the meaning of that word?

after WW11 younger Germans expressed remorse for the holocaust. The holocaust is taught in German schools even from nusery school, unlike Nigeria who banned History in East and renamed monuments which portrayed historical truth. Younger Germans know the fore fathers were wrong. Germany also paid reparations amounting to billions of Euros to survivors and today stands out as one of the most liberal nations under mekel

jpphilips:
if the Allied powers forced Germany to concede territories, pay for the cost of war and damages is atonement then you need to go back to school.
Germany only faced the consequences of defeat.

its part of the characters Nigerians have. Not eager to accept truth. Today Germany is the biggest economy and most advanced country in europe. Are they accepting muslim migrants also as a 'consequence of defeat'?
Even Us respect them.

jpphilips:
The thread was clear on purpose as to why similar events resulted in different outcomes, some poor cranial processors have already derailed the thread by pushing sentimental remarks of justification, I wonder why English is so difficult for this hopeless indomie generation.

i also provided reasons to show that the coup didnt cause the pogrom. The coup can only result to counter coup. No real human with brain will justify killing of women and children who have no business with coupist. Only NIGERIANS like u have that mindset

jpphilips:
Neither the coup nor the pogrom can be justified but then, that was not the subject of discourse.

what then is the subject of discourse

stop putting genocide side by side with coup in ur vain attemp to downplay its gravity

jpphilips:
Except you work in God's office, you are not in any position to tell us which nation God will punish based on their history.

but God is already punishing ur beloved pit of lies called Nigeria. U have two of five deadliest terror groups in the world. There is acute poverty, inflation, unemployment, extrajudicial killings, reccession and no hope for the future. Can you mention one country in the world that is not in a state of war where a Nigerian will not do better if he settles there. Nigeria is the worst country in the world.

jpphilips:
[s] I made these clarifications based on last year's incident when Nnamdi Kanu ordered IPOB Aba branch to lynch Kumuyi in a bid to foil his crusade.

He spoke out of context, I was glad his orders were not carried out, why would Nnamdi Kanu give such an order?
Because he is as dumb as Aguiyi Ironsi.

In his broadcast that faithful morning, he was consistently referring to Kumuyi as a Yoruba man wearing his usual bigoted lens, he simply forgot that Kumuyi is not just a Yoruba man but also a spiritual leader.[/s]

trash! Was kumuyi harmed?

jpphilips:
You dont harm people like that without consequence that is a fact but just like most Igbos who live a lie, they will focus on the consequences of their actions absent cause.

u re the one now speakin from both side. U said the pogrom is not justified while justifying same here.

jpphilips:
If Nnamdi Kanu read any history, he would have known that the Lynching of Archdeacon Ferdinand in Austria -Hungary caused the first world War.

learn to stick to the topic

jpphilips:
And also the brutal murder of Ahmadu Bello a spiritual leader of the north led to the Pogrom that ensued.

u shot urself again. Justifying genocide

jpphilips:
At least the political consequence of Jonathan's failure is starring them in the face, continue decieving yourselves and continue reaping the consequences.
life will always be a choice.

i thought u re intelligent and "indomie generation" is not yet u dont know how to argue within a topic. What has jonathan got to do with the topic

2sexycom:
I said "I like..." I never said "Nigerians like..." spot the difference as your response to my context does not give a leeway for your perception.

who asked what u like?

Who asked your tribe?

U mentioned ur tribe to sound credible cos u know yoruba films end in lagos ibadan expressway. Whether u re Igbo or yoruba doesnt remove the fact that yoruba movies are trash and that Nollywood is an Igbo industry

Op is a obviously a penticostal

Double post

2sexycom:
I am igbo and don't I have right to preferences again?

i didnt ask who you are.

You have right to preferences but are morally bound to say the truth always.

2sexycom:
I do. I know when Nollywood started and true to your words, they started as igbo speaking entity but has evolved into a robust machine over the years.

However, I prefer watching Yoruba movies to Nollywood English movies because of deep rooted reality that they display with a good lesson to learn from it. They are often consistent with suspense and intrigues. The only problem I have is their inclusion of native doctor in every movie, but we can't shy away from the fact that it's OUR custom and culture.

Most of the English version are full of too much noise and repetition under different settings; only a few are view-worthy.

only on the internet!

U think hype can do everything for you

Those of u talking nonsense about the state sponsored genocide are plain shameless...they are big time shame to humanity. I was arguing with someone who said that God will remember nigeria. I told him God is already visiting nigeria and the country will only get worse until it crumbles. Nigeria can never get better! Mark my words. No nation live on lies and survives. Lie is a very big curse. Even the bible says that liars will never prosper and nigeria will never prosper.

A nation whose present political structure was founded on genocide running to God to make it prosper with the very foundation God despises is enough to piss God. U killed tens of thousands in a genocide, killed millions in a civil war, banned history in schools in east,banned the bight of Biafra, changed national anthem to reflect your deceptive political structure and continue to conspire to oppress a blessed pple. Yet same nigerians are the pple who claim to love God the most in the world. Nigeria will pile away under the weight of God's punishment and its already happening.

And for those who said the coup caused the genocide, i ask, did the jews in Germany carry out a coup in nazi germany before the genocide?. Did igbos in keshi 2012 nations cup team carry out a coup when they were branded 'Biafran 11' by yoruba and Hausas? These are just fear-induced hate, wickedness and jealousy.

Hitler, aryan supremacist only saw successful jews as obstacles to his racist agenda, just as sarduana saw Igbos as dominating. Germany paid for it by loosing power and prestige (un securiy council and her colonies) the prosperity they enjoy today is the result of some atonements they made. What is more, the Jews now have state of their own. Nigeria can never get better till it crumbles. No amount of fasting, prayer or prophesy can save it. Except the truth (which they re not ready to face). Doesnt it bother nigerians that they re the most pious country in the world yet the worst country in the world?

Nigeria may not even qualify under this badluck called government

[quote author=UNKNOWNSOJA post=44166077][/quote]when u have nothing to contribute about a topic, keep off! there are more industries in Aba alone than the whole of cross river, Bayelsa and akwa ibom put together. The person who made that claim is looking for 'mentions'. Calabar has no economy and now full of destitudes. It is among the falling cities in Nigeria.

Haha...op is using south west as example of academic excellence. Much of South west except lagos is just as bad as north in terms of education.

Op, for ur info, if an igbo tells you he is a moslem run b'cos he is either eyeing sth or strictly for business as someone noted.
Igbo culture and islam are two parallels. Igbos are related to jews and the way they see islam is similar to the way jews see it.

Kagawa10:
Huh! Awolowo should have been watching you animals like zombie while you invade and attack Ore and the midwestern region?
That Lagos was the capital made your foolish baifra men to attack The midwestern, rape their women and loot various houses?
The joke is on you greedy hypocritic victim card playing losers!
Shameless people!

this is the hate i am talking about!

Kagawa10:
What an eddiot!
Why should Awolowo have to tell us not to vote Zik when the whole Westerner could see that Zik isn't a westerner to begin with?
Why would we allow an Easterner who wasn't even born in the South Western state to govern us in the first place?
ZIk was born in the North, right? Then, why did he go to the North to contest for the premier position? Why the SW?
The reality is the Westerner voted for their man over Zik, an Eastern man. Any problem with that?
To think that Zik would even go as far as to sack a fellow Eastern man who had been voted in the Eastern region to pave way for his position shows that the Western people did right to vote out a very greedy eediot like Zik.

this is the mentality i am talking about!

Hagmond:
[s]Ncnc won most votes in eastern region but became opposition in the west,although ncnc could have won but they could not persuaded the other minor parties in the west to vote for it,those parties voted for ag.
if azikwe was truly nationalistic why did he chase out the premier in eastern nigeria
ironsi spent the night in ibadan colonel fajuyi refused to danjuma kill ironsi lest they kill him wish they did.so fajuyi died in cross fire abi
he was called a sage because of his great developmental strides,first tv first uni,cocoa house
so because ojukwu wanted to show the world in warring skill have to go through ondo ogun and its people wont be affected,o kuse.
Like i will always say let us divide the country we dont need any stupid friendship
[/s]

did awolowo tell his yoruba kinsmen not to vote zik because he was Igbo or not?

Hagmond:
I pray you guys do more to achieve biafra so we can all go,you guys were the first to align with hausa people you called backward azikwe become second in command to an hausa teacher and your forefathers didnt remember born to rule
because yoruba didnt vote for azikwe the old man started running his mouth that awolowo started ethnic politics while he ran to the southeast to send the voted premier parking,

u didnt address the issues i raised. One thing about you guys is that you hate truth with passion. Most time you brand truth as 'hate message' did awolowo start ethnic politics in Nigeria or not? Was he not popular among the yorubas for that or not? Aligning is not the issue but should not be driven by hate and unnecessary jealousy and wickedness. Awolowos jealousy and ethnicity destryed southern solidarity and made north to gain power. That was how zik became a ceremonial president. Zik was a one nigerianist and prooved it throughout his life but awolowo who always adviced zik to stop aligning with north, moved back and dinned with them during the war. He was a back stabber, a hater without ideology. A man who adressed nigeria as a mere geographical expression but yearn to govern her the most

Hagmond:
yoruba general sacrificed his life to protect aguiyi ironsi and we hate igbos

a yoruba general who was caught up in cross fire during ironsi death does not translate to 'we'. Awolowo was a yoruba leader. They call him 'sage' and his opinion represented theirs[/quote]

Hagmond:
ojukwu wanted to invade western nigeria so awolowo should fold his arms,

that was the flimsy reason you people gave for backing the same north he claimed to hate. Lagos though yorubaland was the then capital of nigeria and wartime command hqtrs need i say more?[/quote]

Hagmond:
any sane person knew that jonathan was grossly uncapable save nigeria group were igbos abi you taught yoruba to vote for him during his first tenure,i would voted for the devil if he contested against goodluck and if buhari mess up we kick him out.Rubbish

which nonsense save nigeria group? A group that couldnt save west was saving nigeria. The person who caused power shift was dora akunyili through bravery and comment. Most yorubas voted buhari because of igbo hate

Igbos voted abiola and when they killed him the same igbos stood by obj. But yorubas always think igbos are dumb and prefer business to politics.

Every yorubaman has this fear for igbos. Even wale adenuga told nigerian that jonathan gave money to only igbo nollywood. What of soyinka, akiolu, and that mad doctor in the us?

The issue is no longer coperation. Its about going our seperate ways. Even the laws of power states that anyone who has a unique quality should hide it form those that are less endowed because at any slightest opportunity they will gang up and punish you for making them feel inferior. This is what igbos are facing in nigaria

Adadio:
Imagine what Nigeria would be like if the peoples of the South East and South West form a close relationship instead of the cat and mouse,albeit childish row upon row between them since the 1950,s.
Why should the two zones at every turn be at war,albeit a silent one for no justifiable reasons.The level if literacy is high in the two zones with high calibre professionals,intellectuals,vibrant youth etc.
In the South East,one in five families have Yoruba blood ,the ratio may be less in the South West.
It is really sad to read lots of yabis apologies to Fela,on social media between the two groups.One can feel the bitterness in some of the comments,but why?.
The day the SE and SW close ranks,hmmm Nigeria will hit first world status in less than a decade.Trust me.
I love the Yoruba and no amount of hiccups in our relationship will deter me from doing so.We shall be great.

every groupp can prosper without involving the other. No man's prosperity is tied to the endorsement of another.

But it happened that in nigeria we had three groups one in north, two in south. Hausa has born to rule mentality, are backward, islamic, violent and conservative. Yorubas are fairly progressive and educated, but igbos are the most liberal, progressive, resourceful and intelligent. This is the plain fact. Everyone knows the north should be cut to size if the country sould progress for no nation allow backward group to pilot their affairs if it intends towing the path of progress. But the yoruba is too jealous of igbos, too threatened by igbos and too fearful to allow event follow their path, hence they align with the north to keep the country in perpetual state of underdevelopment. Yoruba policy since amalgation has been guided by hatred, jealousy and fear towards the igbos. Awolowo was the one who told his kinsmen to leave ncnc 'cos it was an igbo party at a time when the major of enugu was a northerner. He started ethnic politics in naija.

The travails of the same awolowo and the crisis in western region(engineered by ahma%u bello) was what provoked nzeogwu's coup. They planned to restore awolowo as the premier. But what happened later? The same awolowo after his release, and inspired by hatred and jealousy, joined the same north wh put him in prison to persecute igbos who fought for him. Even US dip. Archive wrote that awolowos role in that war was inspired by his anipathy towards the igbos. Not to talk of his wartime policies as finance minister.

Even now many yorubas voted buhari not because the saw jonathan as bad but because they believed he identified with igbos.

Therefore igbos do not beef anyone. No igboman has that time.
Yoruba policies are guided by hate wickedness and jealousy. I am sorry to be this plain

Who is the liar

henrydadon:
peter already made his choice i guess there is no going back for him.. igbo boys can never agree together when it comes to sharing of money issue..especially since they are brothers how do u expect them do share the proceed from their music..jude the eldest will always expect to receive the biggest share because he is the eldest and their producer..but we all know that not possible

it is the yoloba wife that brought the enemty

thats why we run away from those women

Interesting...

lalasticlala we need to find out what is worrying warri

Amaechi's mouth produces 2000 words per minute

Buhari is already inviting them

oduastates:
I still do not get the purpose of these letters .
My guess is
1 looking for mumus to fight your war
2 Oil and the greed that comes with it
3 Searching for allies
SS is a creation of the Nigeria state the same way the eastern region was a creation of the Nigeria state under the British .
The hypocritical thing is avoiding the fact that most of the south were autonomous nation states before the British came to our shores .
after independence , almost half of SS was in the western region .
Even those who share roots and historical links with the SS are not as covetous .
Abegi

and yet they rejected u in a referendum

midwest was the only state created through referendum in Nigerias history.

U have no bussiness here

Buhari the sleepwalker are u hearing him?

alfredolski:
Guy go back home and settle scores with your sense of reasoning cuz it won't allow you to think in your right sense. Did you even read the comment of those professionals they invited to come and investigate the .scene

close your mouth
the so called proffessionals indicted him

Someone pointed out an obvious ethnic undertone in the silence concerning the case involving tb joshua and yorubas nearly killed him.

Why will tb joshua still be allowed to run his 'church' after nearly hundred pple died and after being found on tape trying to cover it up?

Why will pple on this forum(from sw) mention revd king whenever Biafra is mentioned?

If revd king's crime can be used by yorubas score ethnic points it is also possible they can defend their tribesman who committed similar crime to score same ethnic point, and that is what they are doing.

Nigeria is just a terrible place.