₦airaland Forum

Beaf:
The fact that blacks only got the right to vote about 50 years ago and US senators tend to hold their sits for decades accounts for the low number of black senators in US history.
As for the lack of minority representation in the senate, again it comes right back to to core of why I introduced the idea of zero ethnic representation in our senate. Business at the national level is not local, whereas color is. In fact you should view color in the US the same as height, weight, hair length, eye colour etc. People group together on weightier issues, such as political leaning.

That said, we should be looking to how we can perfect our proposals to eject ethnicity from the national level of our politics, rather than stall on the weaknesses of the US system.

I thought you started the idea of having equal senate representatives base on ethnicity.

Apart from the flawed population census, I think the idea of North supremacy is now overrated. About time we stop considering Ahmadu Bello's North as being the same as the present North.

North has since changed tremendously over time. I dont know if we can still consider Plateau, Bornu, Nasarawa, Benue and to a large extent the entire middle belt as sharing common interest with the core North

Let us not also forget that MKO won a presidential election fairly and squarely against a Northerner without zoning, so those thinking the South can not win election without zoning should think again.

Interesting thread/debate

Jesus wept

OMO IBO:
Obiagu1 and Everyone dancing to the tune of Atiku  you make me laugh.

So, Atiku gets a pass, thanks to a well crafted piece by somebody alleged to be Soludo.
The same Atiku who is alleged to be facing money laundering charges in the US??
The same Atiku who is alleged to own a sizeable chunk of Nigeria?? Garnered by greed??

You guys mean he gets a pass because he submitted a well crafted  addition and subtraction??

Isn't this double standard??

Why cant you and others also forget about Atiku and face the facts?

The question is: Is this the kind of budget we need at this time?

Now that they have finished the fund, what's next? Start borrowing?

I weep for Nigeria. Obj left $27B in that account and less than 4yrs after, it's all gone with nothing to show for it.

jamace:
Atiku is only a noisemaker and has no love for this country. He has been tested and he failed woefully. His shoddy, selfish and looting ability  were  exposed in his handling of BPE during OBJ tenure. Be informed also that Atiku is busy junketting his investments from US to Saudi Arabia to escape US anti-corruption agency radar. If he has vision for the development of Nigeria, why did he not invest in Nigeria but hidding his stolen wealth in foreign lands?

Kai, politics sweet o. See looter teaching us budgetting and some people are hailing him, claiming he is making sense. Na wa o

It is not about personalities now, it is about facts and figures. Dont allow your bias against Atiku to blind your eyes to facts. I dont like Atiku either.

I have not read anything about the budget details but someone should please tell me the followings are not true:

1. That GEJ is  proposing a total expenditure of N4.22 trillion to be financed by a revenue estimate of N2.83 trillion, leaving a total deficit (new borrowing) of N1.4 trillion. which is equal to 33% of the entire budget and 3.62% of GDP

2. That GEJ total debt service is  N542 billion higher than the total capital spending on power, roads, health and education put together

3. That GEJ capital budget is N1 trillion while planning to  borrow N1.4 trillion - meaning that even with a zero capital budget He is planning to borrow about N400 billion to add to revenue to finance CONSUMPTION.


If these are true, I honestly have to agree with Atiku that this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Congratulations CC.

I'll give it to Katsumoto - He is one poster I dont skip pass his posts

^^^ happy new year Sweety

and happy new year to all posters in this section.

This is a new year guys.

too bad

tunnytox:
@sapele guy
The fact remains that this is not the first time that Pastor Adeboye has been visiting kirikiri, I personally has listened to one of his preachings several years ago on howe he helped plead the cause of inmates many of whom are awaiting trial inmates NOT thieves or murderers. If you read the article very well the saying you quoted above was not made whilst Pastor Adeboye was speaking with bode george but during the speach to the inmates in general.

It is an open secret that many of these inmates have not even been charged for committing any offence while a large proportion of them have only commited some ridiculous offences such as loittering despite this they are being locked up for up to 27 years! is there a crime to raise the plight of  these set inmates and advocate for their release?

I hope your explanation is not a waste of time. Some people just dont see and cant see anything good about Adeboye no matter how hard you try.

texazzpete:
Can you quit parroting this lie?
Bode George has served only ONE year of a TWO YEAR sentence and you're calling him the 'longest served political criminal'? Are you on crack? The man stole 100 billion Naira, just what do they teach you in that church of yours?

Please quit airing your ignorance here. And the man is not a 'political criminal'. He was convicted by a competent law court for crimes totally unrelated to politics.
Or was it Adeboye that told you these things?

I hate to be seen as defending Bode Gorge, cos I dont like him, but get your facts right: Bode George was not jailed for stealing N100B, but for contracts' splitting.

OP
Your topic is misleading, no part of the story says Adeboye wants Bode George released. And this is not the 1st time Adeboye will be visiting the prison, he has been doing that for many years now.

Sweet T:
Would u mind your moth$%$ing business?

You just lost your chance and the opportunity to get Ileke's YIM, she doesn't like swearing.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=576879.msg7437283#msg7437283 date=1293762717]You are mad.[/quote]lol I have lost count of your suitors, cos you are one damm hot Yoruba chick Take it easy with these guys o

Sweet T:
Hey Toyin, whats your YIM?

Here comes another potential suitor. Congrats!

Both are to be blamed.

But I have to agree with this:

pro01:
The leading cause of broken marriages (especially in Naija) is that far too many women want to wear trousers these days. We all know who the head of the house used to be during time of our parents and grandparents. But these days too much education, media influence, career development, and all sorts of negative exposure have increased feminist tendencies such that wives are now insufferably stubborn and unsubmissive. '50 - 50', 'equality' 'beside you, not behind you', etc. Those are the unpragmatic things they cling on to. Invariably, when a full-fledged man with a healthy ego marries a misguided woman with such mentality, it is only a matter of time before the marriage collapses.

funny thread.

bermuda1:
@ Lagbaja20 et al

You guys continue to exhibit the basic structural failures that have enveloped the Yorubas politically. That is the erroneous belief that you are right and everybody else is wrong. That is why Awo was a political liability and that is why those who continue to continue the political doctrine of Awo will glorified local champions.

Awo and his disciples will always win a free and fair election in Yoruba land (including Edo) hands down. Awo and his disciples would never win even a councillorship election anywhere outside Yorubaland (including Edo).

The problem of Yorubaland is that anybody who even tries to integrate into the mainstream of Nigerian politics is tagged a saboteur, betrayer etc. in their life time people like Akintola, Adelabu, Abiola, Akinloye, Akinjide, Obasanjo, Bola Ige, Jakande, Babatope etc have been labelled thus.

Yoruba politics is characterised by a Herd mentality where the belief is that we all have to follow the progressive party and all be like egbe omo oduduwa. Guys, its almost 2011 that style would not work, you will be doomed into a period of perpetual opposition and irrelevance.

To answer Lagbaja's question on development. The Yoruba states have no real basis for comparison. They all voted Action Group, UPN and SDP and AD. All these are progressive parties. PDP came in 2003 in all states but Lagos. A case can be made that the PDP governors of 2003 did no worse than the AD governors of 1999.

There are some real stand out governors from the Awo school of politics. Awo himself, Lateef Jakande and now Raji Fashola. This however does not give the Awoists exclusivity in producing good governors. Tatari Ali, Sam Mbakwe and Rotimi Amechi can equally hold their own anywhere.

What is our business in winning election outside SW? All we want is to have our destinies in our hands

If anyone needs our support to get to the centre, then it will be on our own terms and gains (call it selfish if you like).

The real need and solution to Nigeria many problems is True-federalism, and again SW is leading the pack on how to do it.

Let each region have control over itself and develop at it's own pace. Shikenau!

says who? and kilo mean by iyawo e?

^^coal, I suppose.

Aigbofa:
You can take the best teachers in the world to England to teach British Kids how to read and write in Yoruba, teach them every other subjects in Yoruba. Trust me, they will be disadvantaged ab initio, compared with their counterparts whose native language is Yoruba.

Of course, many will catch on, some will even excel and a lot will just get confused just like in Nigeria today.

True. I also know that being a good 'words-smith' does not equate to intelligence. Not giving excuse for improper use of English, but some errors should be ignored

And the complaints about our accent should be a non-issue. Still cant get a foreigner to pronounce my Yoruba first-name correctly, even after repeating it more than 10 times.

Now the killing has started

barnabasj:
Same here, the day i learnt about the cancellation of the Project that is when i begings to hate UYMA, then i know that the man have no clue about development and Economy and the Mumuu Jonathan self na take project serious na 2011 d guy dey work on now

True. Was so mad that the Yaradua sent our railway system back 30years. That project would have been completed by now, and if properly managed, you can imagine the income it would be generating by now and the ease it will put on our motor-roads. Am not impressed with this current arrangements at all.

This is good news for Nigeria's democracy. I like it.

alj harem:
thanks mukina2 i will be a good boy

Stop throwing kisses at my girl. else you'll be banned again

MRbrownJAY:
by the way, may i ask what YOU bought MR CC for Xmas over the yrs?!

Good question. Now to you Madam CC

Just OK. Still give thanks to God.

stanizman:
Please can you email me a copy of the police character certificate in stablestaniz247@yahoo.com. I will be happy to see how it looks like urgently, because there was one that my bros got and sent me but was not accepted where i submited it. They claimed it doesent look like the ones they have been seen. if u can do that right now i would be glad man. god bless.

sent

bermuda1:
Awo for all his brilliance and ingenuity was all in all a tribal leader. He would never have won a Federal election in Nigeria in a 100 years. this is regardless if his party is AG, UPN or AD (all reincarnations of the Egbe Omo Odua).

Most of Nigeria irrespective of tribe (and aided by column inches of the Yoruba press) acknowledge that Awo had the basic ingredients of a great leader. However most could see that he saw Nigeria through Yoruba tinted glasses. His primary ambition was to appeal to Yorubas then see if the bloc votes can carry the whole of Nigeria. History has thought us that if you do that you fail. AG failed, UPN failed, AD failed, and if Tinubu wants to see himself as a Mini-Awo, ACN would fail as well.

Akintola understood that a Yoruba man would never make Prime Minister unless they practiced a brand of politics where they would have to get in bed with people of other regions. He fully understood that the way AG was going, they were subject to an eternity of perpetual opposition. He was carefully positioning himself to be the first Yoruba Prime Minister. This Awo did not like and this the Yoruba race did not like.

To understand the reverence of Awo  and disdain of Akintola in yorubaland, you will need to understand the Yoruba political psyche. The average Yoruba politican (person?) believes they are better and more intelligent than the average Nigerian. In so doing, they would rather be in a minority of one than be a part of the majority. the typical attitude is "we know what we are doing and very soon you lot will realize it and join us". They wallow in the "everybody hates us" brand of opposition. AG, UPN and AD did not make any aspirations of being National Parties, they made no pretension about being primarily Yoruba parties. The pursued an aggressive Yoruba agenda and demanded loyalty from all Yorubas. Those that did not comply are regarded and stooges of the Northerners. Step in Akintola and his incarnate OBJ

The 1999 elections showed how little the Yorubas had learnt in their period of opposition. They were given free ticket to Aso Rock. All they needed was to choose one of their 2 sons to be President. in a 50-50 chance, the yorubas still managed to pick the losing hand by massively voting for Falae even when the chickens and Goats in Makurdi knew that OBJ was the annointed one. Today Falae would be more reverred in Yorubaland than OBJ.

OBJ tried to do an Akintola by bringing Yorubaland to the mainstream by rigging PDP in and dismantling AD. He could see the road they were headed. while we can all agree he went about it the wrong way I fully understand his end game. Tinubu and AC if not careful will drag Yorubaland back to the dark days of the Action Group where they will win all the Yoruba states but not get a single vote outside yorubaland

Let me digress, The worst thing that ever happened to Yorubaland is Usman Dan fodio. He and his descendants sped up the collapse of the great Oyo (Yoruba) empire. Their tactics has been divide and rule. They pick out somebody influential inside to work with. They promise him heaven and earth. he helps betray the populace and at the end he never quite reaches the golden fleece and usually he meets a terrible end.

Dan Fodio and sons have usually picked out the Aare Ona kakanfo of Yorubaland. The self styled Generalissimo. Check Afonja, Kurunmi, Akintola and Abiola and see certain similarities and Aare ona Kakanfo. Ahmadu Bello was the great great grandson of Dan Fodio

I would have ignored your post, but because this is one of the most interesting/informative threads on NL, i do no want to leave it unchallenged.

The few questions I have for you are:

What is more important to the Yorubas? Presidency or  Progress and developments

When did you see real and meaningful progress in Yorubaland? Under AG/Awo, UPN/Awo and AD or under PDP/Obasanjo?

Now, do you still query our claim of being more super-intelligent than others? 

jay bee:
^^^^
I'd advice her to start a TV show called CeeCee

Supported.

CC, I told you you are always loved and appreciated.


@OP

Am happy for you. Keep listening more, loving more and complaining less and you will see him opening up and loving you more.


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