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Phones › Re: How Much Do Spend On Your Phone Every Month? by Oba234: 4:23am On Oct 17, 2011

$93/month-unlimited minutes, text, data usage. Unlimited everything sha! I think that translate into 15,000 naira

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 7:57am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
Now you are learning. At least I can't disagree much with any elements in this post. You have finally seen the point.

"Evolution sets the range, different cultures picks a point in the range"

Yes, culture is very, very strong but it has its limit which is set by evolutionary boundaries.

Alek Wek has the typical features of the under-privileged, poor Africans. Features of poor and undernourished people are not the most attractive.

And remember, I have said earlier, she is NOT unfavourable biologically. She is unfavourable based on my priviledge status and taste, which is higher. If I was poor I might find her attractive enough. That is not cultural biase, that is evolutionary biase: I want to mate with someone that gives my kids good genes.

You said she is not unfavorable biologically, so how will she gives your kids bad genes? Second ,the fact that you stated that she is unfavorable based on your privileged, status and taste is culturally. Thirdly, you want your somebody that will give your kids genes that are look onto favorably by society? is that not cultural?
Also because she has those features of the under-priviledge doesn't mean she is actually undernourished or unpriviledge, so in that instance, your particular view of how beautiful she is stems from cultural bias.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 7:33am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
Show me which Asian culture idealises childish looks.

I wait. I told you not to BS me.

Tribal marks are cultural designs of beauty.

Evolution sets a range of beauty acceptibility that infuses the ability to procreate. THERE IS NO CULTURE WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE IDEALISED AS BEAUTIFUL WHEN THEIR ABILITY TO PROCREATE IS INHIBITED!

What don't you understand about this? You just want to argue and say "I no carry last"?

And so?

So are women that look like baboons.

What I asked you was where you saw her being wooed by several prominent men in the West. That is what happens to attractive women and you claimed people in the West find her attractive. Which I thought was "I no go carry last" BS but I am hoping you can prove me wrong.

Being able to pull one or even a few men does not mean you are attractive. If you have majority of men drooling over you or at the thought of being with you, THEN you are attractive. Most of such women are in lists like FHM 100 Sexiest Women.

Now, edjucate me on who are the people in the West that were having the hots for Alek.

How do Aleks look predisposed her in to anyway to any unfavorable biological conditions? She looks healthy and fit and she looks like can bare children. On what biological basis do we have to classify her as ugly? Our notions of beauty with regard to her stems from biases that have been culturally ingrained into us.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 7:27am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
Don't BS me!

Don't try it.

Those women can never be seen as ideal of beauty in any culture. In the thousands of years of history of the world, such women have never been in vogue and will never be in vogue because they do not portray good procreating/mating features. EVOLUTION!

Even the women you posted with tribal marks have a pattern to it. The pattern does not impede their procreating features so they are well within evolutions acceptable range.

So you waited this long and only came up with such poo as argument?

Really?

And your arse was the one that had the audacity to disrespect me?

Ma worry, ma fi e she intellectual suya!

Stop chatting crap! We are programmed from birth to find somethings attractive like any other animal. Some external body functions are just not there to perform functions, they are their to attract mates, just like any other animal.

IF you claim cultural dictates of desire is limited by healthiness, what does that tell you? . . . . . . . . . . . . Evolution? Biology? Nature? Pick your favourite of the 3.

When you slighted me, I just laughed gently because I know it will only end in intellectual humiliation. You will never be able to match me in a debate even when I am sleeping and my brain is recharging. It appears you are not a regular on NL that is why you made such error. Even those that hate me will be the first to tell you that you are toast if you ever challenge me intellectually.

That might sound like a boast but even a boast can be a FACT!
[/q[quote author=Sagamite link=topic=781864.msg9348876#msg9348876 date=1318745004]Don't BS me!

Don't try it.

Those women can never be seen as ideal of beauty in any culture. In the thousands of years of history of the world, such women have never been in vogue and will never be in vogue because they do not portray good procreating/mating features. EVOLUTION!

Even the women you posted with tribal marks have a pattern to it. The pattern does not impede their procreating features so they are well within evolutions acceptable range.

So you waited this long and only came up with such poo as argument?

Really?

And your arse was the one that had the audacity to disrespect me?

Ma worry, ma fi e she intellectual suya!

Stop chatting crap! We are programmed from birth to find somethings attractive like any other animal. Some external body functions are just not there to perform functions, they are their to attract mates, just like any other animal.

IF you claim cultural dictates of desire is limited by healthiness, what does that tell you? . . . . . . . . . . . . Evolution? Biology? Nature? Pick your choice of words of the 3.

When you slighted me, I just laughed gently because I know it will only end in your intellectual humiliation. You will never be able to match me in a debate even when I am sleeping and my brain is recharging, I will still flog you. It appears you are not a regular on NL that is why you made such a criminal error. Even those that hate me will be the first to tell you that you are toast if you ever challenge me intellectually.

That might sound like a boast but even a boast can be a FACT! If you refuse to believe, when you see me on NL pick me up on any topic you disagree with me on.

[/quote]Cultural precepts can and do have grounding in favorable biological conditions so you are right to an extent. I've seen what you've been trying to say all along. Perhaps we've just misunderstood each other a bit. At the end of the day, the point is, regardless of biological founding, culture, or the power of society can still completely warp our ideals and understanding of things. How else do you explain the Asian foot-binding, western fasscination with mamary glands, the musai tribe with their prided plated lips. Do those things benefit the health of these people in any way? These fetishes, developed outside of reason. It wasn't founded on what would be favorable to health. A lot of our ideals are developed based on biology but culture can completely override it. Attractiveness can be based on biology but don't underestimate the power of society.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 6:49am On Oct 16, 2011

anonymous6:
OMG

I think I am going to hurl, so disgusting

The first woman needs a sandwich, snack, desert and drink immediately
the second woman needs to stop eating all together & get by pass surgery immediately

Sagamite:
Do you believe any culture can ever convince people to idealise and regard these as standard of beauty that majority will agree with?

https://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_02/LaurenBailey5EN_468x398.jpg

[img]http://creaseblog.files./2010/06/fat-woman.jpg[/img]

Yes, a culture can perceived these pictures as beautiful if they haven't observed anything in that body type that will cause the person to be unhappy or unhealthy based on their surroundings

We don't have any pre conceived biases coming out of the womb. Culture dictates to us what is good or bad based on what the culture has observed. Any decision that you make is based on a reason why the culture considers it a good thing. The culture has to observed that there is something unhealthy about looking that way in contrast to other body types to prefer a certain body types. The point is that it is all learned. All culture norms are based on observations of what is most likely to bring us happiness. That is the single universal construct that guides all our actions. If a culture observed somebody this big or skinny and they don't see any bad effects, they wouldn't develop any biases against it. You have to observed the effects. For example to elaborate further on what I am saying, imagine a child raised in an environment in which they have never seen or learn anything about a Lion. They don't know what the Lion is capable of physically and they don't know that Lion are species to be avoided in anyway. Even though we as humans have an innate survival instinct, if the child were to see the Lion, having no previous knowledge of the Lions harmful potentials, it would have no reason to avoid it. Our culture precepts comes from observations and what to like or not like based on what bring us happiness. So if a Lion attack somebody in your family and the person die, you learn to avoid lions, but you weren't born to avoid them untill you have see their actions.To summarize, you don't come out of a womb knowing what to do, cultures guides you.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 5:50am On Oct 16, 2011

so here is the issue. We will never see eye to eye on this. I don't believe there is a range. I believe everything is 100% cultural. You believe otherwise. You think I am going in circles and I think you going in circles despite me giving you free tutorial. There are no biological example that you can give to me that I can't attribute to culture. I use to think like you at a certain point in my life where I use to attribute beauty as innate *hiss*, but the more I study and look it and question things, the more I have learned and I am 100% convinced there is nothing biological hence why we can never agree, therefore Good Night.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 5:42am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
You are wrong there. Stop trying to argue the unarguable.

They set the point(s).

There is no way television, celebrities and mass media (i.e. culture) can EVER make a women or men weighing 400 pounds be the standard of beauty. That beauty point is outside the range evolution/biology allows us to see as beautiful.

Evolution/Biology/Nature sets the aesthetic range, not culture. Culture picks a point in the range.

Don't argue the unarguable.

We will never see eye to eye on this. To me Beauty is 100% cultural, so any example in the world that you want to give as justification for biological, I will find a cultural explanation for it. End of story. I am tired of going in circles. Good Night.

so give some examples of this range that evolution have set and where cultures pick up
Oba234, that is extra tutorial material.

It seems your comprehension is weak.

There is a beauty range which all societies' perception of beauty fall into. The fact they disagree on points within the range does not nullify the argument the range exists.

Comprehende?

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 5:40am On Oct 16, 2011

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=781864.msg9348660#msg9348660 date=1318739655]exactly!

if these societies are exposed to western culture through television, mass media and other means, they also will start to lose their traditional ideas of beauty and assimilate western ideas.

and many tribes (like you say) don't even see bosoms as sign of beauty. many women go around bare breasted and it doesn't affect the males in any way because that's not what they are conditioned to find intimate.[/quote]Thank you. Somebody that understand what I am saying. I feel like I am just repeating myself in circles. No matter how people want to twist it, there is nothing biological about beauty. It differs across society and since we are become a more globalized society dominated by western culture, we are losing some of those diversity in beauty that have exists for hundreds of years.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 5:31am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
I fully understand what you wrote, I am just educating you to help you make your thinking a bit more comprehensive.

The lesson was: Perception of beauty is not only a cultural thing, there is an evolutionary and natural aspect of it.

You are wrong. You are born with a certain taste range. Like every animal, we have certian things we are programmed to look for evolutionarily. Get you notepad out and write it down as lesson of the day. I am nice and give free lectures on NL, be grateful.

wrongggggggggggg! there is nothing about beauty that we are programmed to look for evolutionarily. If you are saying beauty is a natural thing, then every society will have the same standard of beauty and we all know that it's not true. There are some perceptions of beauty that are perceived by a certain societies as beautiful and people outside that society look at it as bizarre. Some examples includes feet binding by the chinese where young girls of upper class families had their binded so by the time they become adults they would have deformed small feet and this was considered beautiful at a certain point. Another example is western culture obsession with women bosoms as a biological stimulu. Studies have shown this is false. Men in western cultures are taught from early age to see bosoms in this way. Male attraction or obsession with human bosoms is not universal among all human beings so it's not biological. So a woman who does not have perky bosom in a society that values them, maybe consider less attractive, but in a society that does not value them, it's consider more attractive. The mursi tribe in east Africa for example believes that the bigger the plate is on a girls lips, the better she looks. Take a look at this website about the tribe. http://lumq.com/06/mursi/

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 4:53am On Oct 16, 2011

Sagamite:
I don't know why you are showing me this. Apart from Christina Aguilara, I don't regard any of the other women as particular beauties.

They are way better than Alek though.

She is not a rarity and not a beauty. She is an epitome of the average woman of those regions that is poor and with unattractive features.

I don't get your point.

Yes, majority of black people are ugly because they are poor and under/mal/wrongnourished.

That is not a "potential" thing, it is a "circumstance" thing. Evident in the Africans that are privileged are not ugly.

That is not my opinion, that is fact.

Most Ethiopians and Somalis you refer to that do that are not the poor, malnourished ones.

You have a point there but it is incomprehensive.

There are cases where some people are uglier and it is not based on "culture" but rather based on "nature". Evolution is powerful and it does distribute beauty.

You did convince yourself.

Unique = beauty does not make alot of sense in "any way".

Unique just equals unique and the beauty aspects of the uniqueness is dependent on the quality of the beauty of the uniqueness.

sorry, I am not sure you are understanding what I am talking about because if you do, you would not have written what you just wrote. I think you should read what I wrote over and think about it and then type a response. Beauty is not an absolute thing. This is the main point, . You are not born with a certain taste for something. What is biological is to be attracted to people of the opposite sexes, but anything other than that is all a product of society. Everything that you like or think you like, your morality, beliefs, who you are attracted to are all shaped by culture from the beginning of your life and it's so ingrained in us that it's difficult for people to even differentiate what is biological and cultural sometimes. Say it with me, Perception of beauty is not biological. Your culture has ingrained in you things that are consider acceptable, beautiful and from those things that are consider acceptable or beautiful is where you get your opinions and tastes from.

Celebrities › Re: Please Tell Me Where Alek Wek's Beauty Lies by Oba234: 4:26am On Oct 16, 2011

No, Beauty is culturally ingrained, so people that say she is ugly are saying that mainly as a result of how they have been conditioned to think of beauty in a certain way, so what you think it's your opinion or taste is really not your own opinion or taste since your taste or opinion comes from what your culture considers acceptable.

Anyway sha, I like her.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Mythology by Oba234: 7:10am On Oct 15, 2011

here is the other one
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqCDExp4IM&feature/related[/flash]

Culture › Re: Yoruba Mythology by Oba234: 7:06am On Oct 15, 2011

okay, so I just saw a video on youtube showing an Egungun festival in Trinidad and Brazil and I was so shocked because I remembered that as a 7 yr old girl living in Akoko Ondo state back in the early 90s there was an egungun festival or something like that and I remembered being scared of it and my parents making sure me and my siblings didn't go outside. I also remembered watching outside my window as the Egugun who was usually dress in a costume made of grass goes around whipping people and people starts running from them like it's a fun activity. This used to scared the crap out of me. It's kinda cool to see that yoruba traditions have spread to other areas of the world.

Below are the video
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLNy8EOAYs&feature/related[/flash]

Christianity Etc › Re: King Leopold's Letter To The Christian Missionaries.an Interesting Read by Oba234: 7:55pm On Oct 12, 2011

I am a bit skeptical because King Leopold never even step foot in the Congo. How will he know what to write when he never had any interaction with the people?

Politics › Re: BBC News Special On Nigeria's Impact On The Rest Of Africa by Oba234: 3:20pm On Oct 10, 2011

what is Nigerian wear because I get confused sometimes? Is it the same across all ethnic groups? I know what my fellow Yoruba people typically wear, but after being around so many Nigerians, I can't differentiate who is hausa, igbo or yoruba. Also, I went to a Ghanaian wedding a couple of weeks ago and I saw big geles or what people called head wraps and I also saw agbada those big clothes that men typically wear and I was so confused. I thought ghanians typically wear Kinte cloth huh

Are clothes typically labeled as Nigerian clothing really Nigerian or typical west african clothing?

Politics › Re: Fresh Violence Erupted In Egyptian Capital Cairo Between Christians And Security by Oba234: 2:58pm On Oct 10, 2011

I also saw it on the CNN website, this is a Sad case. I knew this would happen. Mubarak was what was holding that country together. The same thing is going to happen to Libya after Ghadaffi is ousted from the country. I think Libya's chaos will be worse than Egypt.

Politics › Re: South East Govs Demand For 2 Additional States by Oba234: 2:42pm On Oct 10, 2011

The SE should not have any more state. We can't keep comparing southeast to the north. The north has la arge land mass. The SE lacks land which is why so many Igbo people live in other parts of the country. The SE cannot contain them alone and now they want to divide the little they have into smaller pieces huh

Business › Re: Africa Richest People 2011 - Most Are White (pics) by Oba234: 4:12am On Oct 10, 2011

I don't think they are mostly white unless you are saying Arab = white. Most of those men are from Egypt or north Africa which means they are Arab people. The only whites on that list are the two from South Africa which makes sense since South Africa has the biggest white population on the African continent. Big ups to Adenuga and Dangote. Anybody know of a way I can get a job with Dangote? I am seriously looking.

Politics › Re: South East Govs Demand For 2 Additional States by Oba234: 3:12am On Oct 10, 2011

lol, Nigeria already have too many states. There should be no more than 20 states in Nigeria. Come on now! Nigeria is a country twice the size of California and has 36 states. Na wa o. By this rate we will end with 50 very soon. *hiss* The only outcome of this is more money been hoarded by greedy politicians, some people are looking for a way to cash in the politics game.

That being said, Nigeria can have all the states it wants. They can even create hundred self, wetting concern me? It ain't logical and I doubt it will aid the economy, but since Nigeria seems to be a sinking ship let them do whatever they want.

Crime › Re: Absu Gang violation: Victim Agreed To Be violated – Police by Oba234: 5:38am On Oct 08, 2011

Based on what I am hearing from some of the Nigerian men on this board defending these boys actions makes me very afraid. I fear some Nigerian men.

Crime › Re: Absu Gang violation: Victim Agreed To Be violated – Police by Oba234: 5:36am On Oct 08, 2011

wow, only in Nigeria. Sometimes, I thank God I wasn't raised in that country. Imagine if a video like this surfaced in the US? Those boys will be in jail by now. I still find it bizarre how they have not been able to identify the men in that tape. Law enforcement in Nigeria needs a serious upgrade. How can I even expect police in Abia to solve the case when the culprits behind the Abuja bombings have yet to been identified. what a crazy country!!!!! Nothing is run efficiently. O ma se o.

For the record, I have not seen the tape and I refused to see the tape just based on what I have heard.

Politics › Re: Nigerians In Diaspora : How Will You Celebrate Our Independence? by Oba234: 4:47am On Oct 01, 2011

anybody know of an event in the DC area that involves food and music? Thats all I am asking for.

Fashion/Clothing Market › Re: Know Of Any Tailor In The Dc Area? by Oba234(op): 4:15am On Sep 27, 2011

Thanks, I got it.

Fashion/Clothing Market › Re: Know Of Any Tailor In The Dc Area? by Oba234(op): 3:06am On Sep 26, 2011

can I have a number? Address? How much does he charge?

Fashion/Clothing Market › Know Of Any Tailor In The Dc Area? by Oba234(op): 9:17pm On Sep 25, 2011

Hi, I need a tailor to sew some nigerian clothes that I am planning on wearing for a wedding in a month. If you know of any tailors in the DMV area, please let me know.

Thanks a lot

Family › Re: For The Ladies: Moving Out Of Your Parent's House, Yay Or Nay? by Oba234: 1:23pm On Sep 16, 2011

I never understood the big deal on why women must stay in their father's house untill marriage. Anyway sha, I lived in the states and I just graduated. so I am back home, but my mother is already trying to move me out. She is even looking for apartment for me self. The only obstacle is that I am yet to get a permanent full time job. After this, I am gone. I think you should try to reason with your parents and try to understand where their fears are coming. You should show that you are capable of living on your own by having a job that can provide food, shelter and security.

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TV/Movies › Re: Chinua Achebe Forces 50 Cent To Change Movie Titled 'Things Fall Apart' by Oba234: 3:35am On Sep 15, 2011

I don't blame Achebe because when I first heard of the movie a year ago, I immediately thought of Chinua Achebe's book, but after reading more into it, I realized it has nothing to do with the book. The title of the movie will be misleading to many like me who may be thinking it's a movie based on Chinua Achebe's book.

Family › Re: Ladies Would You Encourage Your Husband To Take A Second Wife If: by Oba234: 2:40am On Sep 15, 2011

r u living in the US or Nigeria. Second wife where? In yankee, I don't think so.

Celebrities › Re: My Smoking Is Nobody's Business - Tonto Dike by Oba234: 6:42am On Sep 12, 2011

ogugua88:
Amebo number one. Obama quit how long ago.

Obama still struggles with it and he said every once in a while he takes a puff. The point of this is not about Obama. It's just to say she is not the first nor the last person to smoke and many people smoke including the president of the US smokes, so I don't understand the big hoopla about it. So she smoke? okay so what!! does that change the price of bread?

Celebrities › Re: My Smoking Is Nobody's Business - Tonto Dike by Oba234: 6:36am On Sep 12, 2011

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=755934.msg9125667#msg9125667 date=1315767166]Even if Obama is/was a smoker, that makes it okay to smoke?

Has Obama ver claimed that his smoking habit a good choice?[/quote]now quote where I stated that her habit was a good choice and after reading that article, I don't think Tonto herself said it is a good habit. She said that it is none of your damn business. Most people I know that smoke knows it is a bad habbit, but they don't need people reminding them every second. I think she is aware. The point is focus on yourself. There is a bad habit that each one of US are struggling with.

Celebrities › Re: My Smoking Is Nobody's Business - Tonto Dike by Oba234: 7:41pm On Sep 11, 2011

If we are so concern about health, lets focus on ourself first. A lot of us are eating ourself to death. I see a lot of Nigerians men with beer bellies their wives who are big mommas with big thighs and many of them don't realized that fat deposits in the belly and thighs are some of the most dangerous. Those fats causes cholestrol issue, heart problems, diabetes, etc. So let's stop pointing fingers,

Celebrities › Re: My Smoking Is Nobody's Business - Tonto Dike by Oba234: 7:36pm On Sep 11, 2011

some Nigerians are Ameebo oshi. What concern us with what she is doing to herself? Abeg, free her jor. Half of Hollywood smoke. Even Obama self is a smoker. Yes,It is a bad habit that is very addictive, but it's not the end of the world. She knows the consequences of her actions. You don't like her, don't watch her movies.

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