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Kobojunkie:
You worshippers of these gods of men are incorrigible! Again, stop fishing for silly excuses for your gods of men abeg!

Not sure what a pastor or pastors did to you, but you need to seek help quickly cos the trauma appears to be affecting your mental health.

Kobojunkie:
Lies! A person can only be legally arrested if and only if a criminal reason presents itself. That is what the law says. And crime is as stipulated in the criminal code or acts of the state. You can't simply make these up for yourself .

Stop cooking up excuses for your gods of men abeg!

And how are you aware that the said suspect has no other criminal accusations against them?... You have no idea who's being talked about, you have no clue what the case is about, but somehow you believe it is sensible to make a conclusion based on empty assumptions?

Meanwhile, from everything I've said on this thread, what or where was an excuse made for anyone?

Omo! Characters dey this forum o!! You're probably a traumatised victim of a fraudster 'god of men'; that must explain your incoherence throughout this thread.

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention! 🙄🙄

The reason given for the arrest is INVALID therefore a VALID arrest could not have been carried out. This means that instead of saying the man was arrested on grounds claimed, saying he was kidnapped would have made better sense.

There are 1001 reasons why a person can be arrested. You and I have no clue about what happened so quit making assumptions and jumping to conclusions like a typical woman.

Kobojunkie:
1. Even in a place like Nigeria, the Law is clear that an arrest can and should only take place when there is a valid reason for it. Basically, when there is no valid reason, there ought not to exist an arrest.

2. Your pastor gave you the reason for the arrest. That reason turned out to be invalid for an arrest and he also indicated this happened out in the West where Freedom of Speech is considered sacrosanct. It becomes safe to conclude there was NEVER any such arrest as the one described by your lying Pastor Adeboye.

Every day in the West, people including pastors who meet arrest requirements have arrest warrants enforced against them by law. If we count the number of pastors who were arrested today, December 2nd, 2024, alone, we might come up with a number above 10. The issue isn't whether a pastor was arrested but whether a pastor was arrested for speaking freely his mind. That is what never happened.

I made it clear in my very first post that whilst it is possible that a pastor was arrested, it is absolutely unlikely that a "ladies and gentlemen" statement was the real reason for his arrest. With this in view, I wonder why you still keep quoting me and regurgitating the same point on freedom of speech... Or is my English grammar too complex to comprehend?

You say because the "ladies and gentlemen" statement isn't a valid reason for an arrest, then so therefore, no arrest ever occurred. How can you just jump into conclusions like that on a matter you have absolutely no clue about?... Aren't you aware there are over 1001 other reasons why a person can be arrested?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Adeboye is reported to have claimed, with his mouth, that his employee was arrested on grounds that he referred to the audience saying, "Ladies and Gentlemen..." How can you claim an arrest took place but conveniently not believe the reason given for the particular arrest? 🤔

If the reason for the arrest makes no sense to even you then it should follow that that arrest never took place because an arrest can only be made if a valid reason for arrest presents itself. Since, according to you, the reason given for the arrest isn't valid then it should follow that such an arrest never did take place... at least that is how it works in the West, unlike Nigeria where you can even be arrested for farting.

2. I do understand what you are attempting to do here but I am trying to let you know it does not make sense to do that!

Two issues were raised in the report:
1. That a pastor was arrested
2. That he was arrested because of a statement he made.

My point is simple - There's nothing unusual or incredible about a pastor being arrested in the UK and this wouldnt be the first time an Rccg pastor will be arrested in the UK. In view of this, I have no basis to dismiss issue No.1 above as false... However for No.2, I do not believe the reason given for why the pastor was arrested.

Please feel free to disbelieve the entire story if you wish, but I have made my own point. Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
This again is your original claim, right? 🤔 The story instead says a pastor was arrested for wrongly addressing the audience. Pretending the reason for the arrest is to be ignored is disingenuous.

Then, you claimed that you had no reason to doubt the story of the arrest, and I asked you what reason you had to believe the story in the first place given that proof is expected for one to claim belief.

Go back and re-read my first response, gosh! is that too hard?

If a person tells me they drank tea in the morning, I don't know about you, but I think it'll be silly of me to start doubting and searching for proof that they really drank a cup of tea (that would be utter joblessness). But on the other hand, if someone tells me they consumed 2 litres of vodka before driving to work, then there's a genuine reason for me to question the veracity of their story.

Now to the matter at had, the report claims a pastor was arrested for saying "Ladies and Gentlemen!" In my original comment, I clearly stated there's nothing unbelievable about a pastor being arrested in the UK; however, I doubted the real reason for his arrest was because he said "Ladies and Gentlemen".... @Kobojunkie, what so difficult to understand in what I've just explained?

Kobojunkie:
1. The only logical reason to believe any story is if you have proof or evidence to back up the story...yes, stories require proof... otherwise it is just that, a story not worth believing!

2. His story is just that, his story and nothing more! However, when you reach for belief you need evidence of his claim that he in fact tea, and not vodka or coffee.

3. I didn't do any such you accuse me of. As soon as I read this article, I went straight to Google and even used the ChatGPT AI to investigate if there has indeed been any arrest in any of the Western countries that fit the pattern put forward by this man and the result came back zero. Yes, ChatGPT or Google AI explained that an arrest of such kind would be a violation of Freedom of Speech which is upheld even at the UN level where all of those Western countries are signatories.

Adeboye claimed a pastor was arrested simply because he addressed an audience as ladies and gentlemen. That claim is a lie and means Adeboye is a liar! 😐😐😐😐

You're still jumping to type a response without bothering to read and comprehend. I rest my case with you! When you feel ready to comprehend, go back and read my first and the last comment!

Kobojunkie:
So If I formulate a lie, you will believe it too using your own explanation there?

2..I would accept his tale as just that. If he asked me for money or anything based on the tale, because I do not have proof and so do not believe his tale, I would not give him any.

3. The reason is simply and before everyone who has a brain. In the west, there exists what is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH which gives everyone the right speak their mind and say what they want to. Freedom of speech allows even individuals who use racial slurs against others to walk away free without fear of criminal prosecution of any kind. So, your Adeboye lied to you when he claimed someone was arrested for exercising his right to Freedom of speech.

If there's no logical reason to doubt a story, what's the essence of doubting it, especially when it doesn't even affect me in anyway? Is it just trying to be overly smart or perhaps a carried over trauma/paranoia?

If a colleague at work tells me he drank a cup of tea before leaving his house, why should I start doubting him? Does that even make sense? Conversely, if the colleague tells me he drank 2 litres of vodka before driving to work, then I have a genuine reason to doubt his tale! Comprende?


Modified:
Lol... Now I actually see where your problem stems from; you read my original comment just for the purpose of responding without waiting to comprehend it first.

Kindly re-read my original comment below, but this time slowly and with an open mind. Perhaps you will understand my point.

obailala:
I swear!

When I read this report this was the first thing that came to my mind. The arrested pastor hasn't told us the real reason he was arrested!

I didnt doubt that a pastor was arrested (that's a nonrmal phenomenon), but I obviously questioned the 'real' reason why!

Kobojunkie:
Your reason to Believe him would be?

Huh?! Using an illogical question to evade the simple question I asked you... My reason for believing it is because he said it, and I dont have any sensible reason to doubt it.

If a random stranger I meet in a bus tells me his wife recently put to bed, why should I start doubting him for saying something which is a very common and natural phenomenon? What's the logic or sense in going about doubting everything I hear, including irrelevant things?

If you have a reason to doubt the occurrence of a very simple and common natural phenomenon, then the onus is on you to explain to us why you believe it is false.

Kobojunkie:
Which pastor was arrested? Where?

Well, the story says a pastor was arrested and I dont have any reason to doubt that a pastor was arrested; do you?

emmabest2000:
Them never tell us the real reason why they arrest the pastor

I swear!

When I read this report this was the first that came to my mind. The arrested pastor hasn't told us the real reason he was arrested!

djon78:
If they are paid peanuts then why do you blame those that want to study where they can be paid better

People like oshiomole are totally obsolete

They don't even have a clue of how things are now

Bricklayer's, carpenters are paid well in developed countries like the US UK Canada EU etc

So Nigerian elites should find out how others do it

The problem is the economy!... That the economy is bad doesn't necessarily invalidate the point being made that skilled technicians and artisans are more needed than degree holders in driving industrisation.

Kukutente23:
You're obviously not getting things right. John Deere has been importing heavy machinery into Nigeria since the 80s. Till today, not one block engine can be manufactured in Nigeria. Meanwhile, you can get a mechanical technician easily to couple the engine for you here in nigeria cheaply and easily.
So I ask which do you think Nigeria needs between technical vocational skills or engineering expertise

Well, your point is that we lack sound innovative engineers in Nigeria, TRUE!

But my point is that if Nigeria is to be industrialised, we'd still need far more technicians than even the innovative engineers. A massive majority of employed engineers in nigeria today are doing technician roles. It largely highlights the fact that despite our battered economy, skilled technicians are still in far higher demand than engineers. This is just how it works, even in industrialised nations.

Kukutente23:
It's a simple question
What are we lacking in Nigeria? Technicians or engineers?
You can come out of your house and you'll see mukaila doing iron bending. Can you walk throughout your street and get a C++ programmer? ?
That's what will tell you what skills are lacking in Nigeria. In my area here, we have 14,15 years old who are already coupling engines and routing electrical systems.
But how many people can design electrical system for a car in Nigeria?

What we truly lack in Nigeria is a working economy that rewards skills. If Nigeria had a working economy, you'd realise we're still in dire need of many many more of that Mukaila guy as opposed to engineers. Are you aware an overwhelming majority of 'employed' Nigerian engineers are actually working as technicians? This should give an idea of which roles are more needed between engineers and technicians.

In industrialised nations, how many people have university degrees? For every 1 graduate, there are like 100 technicians/artisans. Even those C++ programmers you talk about, 99% of them didnt see the walls of a universtity, so they basically fall in a similar category as technicians/artisans.

The problem with Nigeria is just the terrible economy and poor reward system which treats artisans/technicians as shiit.

Kukutente23:
It's still engineers that will design and build machines for mass production
Bricklayers or iron benders don't do mass production. Your idea is like comparing a subsistence farmer with hoe and cutlass with an agric engineer who uses tractors and other machinery. Why are we unable to feed ourselves when agriculture is our largest employer of labour? The answer is that there are so many Bricklayer level farmers and so few agric technologist.
Oshiomole just mouthed nonsense and I'm shocked any youth will agree with him

Lol... you think if Nigeria was an industrialised nation with a functioning economy, a university trained agric engineer will be the one mounting a tractor to harvest maize in a farm?

In industrialised nations, you really think its university trained engineers who work in 12 hour shifts, standing in manufacturing assembly lines to mass produce and package equipment, machines and other products?

Lol... You're actually a victim of Nigeria's failed economy, that's why you can't differentiate the roles of an engineer from a technician.

Kukutente23:
So you've looked around you didn't see bricklayer and ironbender in your environment.
Now contrast with if you've ever come across a lathe machine design specialist in Nigeria

Nigeria's economy is dead, so your analogy is rather invalid. But that being said, the keypoint I tried to raise is that in that industrialised nation, for every 1 lathe machine design specialist, there are 1000 fitters/machinists.

Kukutente23:
Ignorance pro max
So it's bricklaying that will produce semiconductors and industrial machinery?

I'm amazed at the iq of Nigerians really

So after the engineers and scientists develop those semiconductors and design those industrial machinery, who do you think mass produces those items on an industrial scale?

Do you think industrialised nations like the US, UK, Germany etc have more university trained engineers and scientists than skilled artisans?

You have to be careful how you mock the IQ of people because you might just not be as good or better than they are.

lereinter:
Lolzzzzz

You will go and meet him where he is soon and tell him

I dont know him and have no business with him.

lagabush:
For ur mind na bricklayer go bring about the innovation

1 person can be the brain behind the innovation, but it takes many skilled artisans and technicians to turn that innovation into commercial success. In otherwords, in any successful industrial setting, skilled hands (artisans, craftsmen, technocians etc) are needed more than engineers.

Been reading through this thread and it's bizarre how almost everyone missed this point.

lereinter:
You a 🤡

Like your father ...

Kbrule:
Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?

Yes...

To industrialise a nation, technical skills are far more needed than paper degrees of engineers and project managers. Unfortunately in Nigeria, even highly skilled artisans are paid peanuts and regarded as lower humans, so no one wants to learn those skills.

Richtaiwo:
From the last picture, it is obvious Peter obi actually went there in his signature black dress. Someone just felt the black thingy is getting out of hand and decided to give the clown a top with at least some white designs.

But wait o. Has Peter Obi ever attended events such as marriage, inaugural lectures, graduation ceremony or any other events that call for joyful celebration? Did anyone notice he is always absent in any of these events. Just check last week marriage in kano that was attended by Atiku and other prominent politicians. Peter Obi will never be in that event. Instead, he sent Chinedu GRV.

DamnnNiggarr:


1. Peter Obi at the wedding ceremony of Soludo's daughter
2. Peter Obi @ inaugural lecture at Yale University
Still on education
Peter Obi at St John of God Secondary school
Peter Obi visits and donates ₦60 million to Peter University Achina and college of nursing science Adazi
Peter Obi visits UNINIGER, donates ₦60 million

4. Peter Obi visits chef grace Nwaokonia

Unveiling the lies of APC zone B's and I've told you severally to always stay out of grownup threads that are well above you, but it seems you're not listening.

The way the human mind works is amazing. People tend to see ONLY what they want to see. This behavioural trait is most prominent amongst crooked people though...

Lol... Another lame attempt by hungry Batists to paint OBI bad... watch how they'd gather in droves like flies around shit to masturbate over this thread.

The core message in her statement was rubbished and thrown out while the most irrelevant part of the statement was elevated as news.

DomPerignon:
How did he condemn it ?

Person wey make excuse for his IPOB friends not being behind it is that one condemnation ?

Tell Obi to find a way to end IPOB sit at home madness and leave church vigil alone.

You no get mouth? Or is your mouth paralised?

DomPerignon:
IPOB swine, between night vigils and iPOB forced lockdowns that are enforced by pain of death, which one has seen to a mass exodus of investments from your yeast . Which one has made you the most unproductive region in the polity ?

Continue to blame church . You go see church vote in 2027.

You asked why OBI hasnt condemned sit at home, I showed you evidence that he's comdemned it. And the best thing your rotten brain could return with is 'ipob swine' ? You must be referring to your mother there.. IDIOT!

DomPerignon:
Where is his mouth of truth regarding the deadly mandated Monday curfews in his SE?

Between night vigils and iPOB curfews which one has impacted negatively on the economy of his SE?

Why also has Obi not critisized the unofficial half day workday that is the norm in the north during Fridays?

How about the Muslim prayer session that is carried out twice during working hours ? Why is he yet to comment on that?

You want OBI to talk on those things not necessarily because you think it'll be a good gesture, but rather because you desperately wish for OBI to be attacked by those elements. Your demonic wishes will keep returning to you!

Has your mouth been tied down by paranormal forces that you yourself cant go speak on those issues you talked about? Is OBI the only human alive in Nigeria that must speak on any and everything? What about the one you voted who holds the official office of president, when will he speak on thise things?

Meanwhile, once you hate a person, it's only natural for your eyes to go blind, your ears to go deaf and even your brain to go into freeze mode whenever the person says or does anything positive. That explains why you've never heard and will continue to be deaf and blind to OBI condemning the criminality of sit at home enforcers.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/07/sit-at-home-disruption-of-business-in-south-east-is-criminal-activity-peter-obi/

https://guardian.ng/news/ipob-sit-at-home-is-criminal-activity-to-make-innocent-people-suffer-says-peter-obi/

Daejumong:
‘ The only thing attractive in Nigeria is Politics and Church; We need to turn Night vigils to Night shifts! We are not productive as a nation’- Peter Obi

This recent statement by the much loved former state governor and popular presidential aspirant has not gone down well with many pastors in Nigeria. Many have come out to attack him !

Is Peter Obi right? Has setting up churches become a means of survival and getting rich rather than truly serving God? Are churches holding too many programs like vigils? Is he still unhappy that despite the promises and prophecies of the church, he didn’t become the president of Nigeria? Has he lost faith in our church leaders?

Everything mustn't be about politics where we have to read motives into every statement.

Peter Obi made a valid point! He said a TRUTH that had to be said by someone. If Nigeria was working, a lot of night vigils we see everywhere would be turned to night shifts. That's how it works in working countries.

If people had jobs, they wouldn't be spending the whole week praying in church.

SAMBARRY:
abeg gedifok ko koshidanu

Aboy go drink cold pure water. No be me cause ur frustration.

SAMBARRY:
lmaooo na that bitterness go kill you

2 grown adults that should know better wey dey mumu theirs elves carry their private matter enter social media an you wey no get sense still dey defend rubbish

Why you no kuku upload video of when you were impregnating your wife for NL make we use am do entertainment since you no know the difference between matters that should start and end in the bedroom and matters that should be in the public .ori re buru danu

Awon ti balthazar. Na your type go dey fvck for Public. Oponu. Broda ode

Lol... Me I dey my corner dey peacefully mind my business.

You you dey online dey express bitterness and frustration over wetin others dey do with their personal lives online.

Yet your brain dey tell you say na me go die of bitterness? Wow!

And with this level of reasoning, you think say na me be the 'ode'? ... L-O-L

SAMBARRY:
clown

He carried his bedroom conversations enter social media and you dey say make Nigerians mind their BUISNESS. You get sense so?

Social media na your papa sitting room? Abi them no tell you whatever enters social media has now become everybody's BUISNESS that will be subjected to scrutiny and analysis

Lol... Of course! that's exactly what I'm saying! He brought his 'HAPPY' bedroom matters to the PUBLIC... and you being an uncontrollable busybody clown couldn't just resist the temptation; so you pour out your frustration and inner bitterness PUBLICLY!