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santaclaws:
If not for her ignorance, the dimensions were written there and she'd have known it was a miniature item...

43 cm length is about 16 inches which is just a little bigger than a long ruler. Next time, check specifications well before ordering.

Lol... Check yourself very well. You may also be guilty of what you accused the girl of. That miniature box is definitely not anywhere close to 43cm. The measurement in the website is clearly fraudulent!

neyobills:
Make i put school bag for your back carry you go primary school for you to understand what for example means??

Its just an instance to let you understand that u cant base size of passengers on size of fleet alone since u dont seem very bright in this field.

For example if Dana air has the highest number of passengers for local destinations, will u bring up same argument of impossibility since they have a lower fleet size than AP.

Airlines base routes on foot traffic and viability of the destination,fleet size isnt the only parameter.

what is the population of Ethiopia compared to Nigeria head to head.

Have u checked the frequency of flights for each of the destinations?

You might have never heard of Ryanair but i guess u must have heard of Emirates,why are you not arguing that Ryanair cant have more passengers than a whole Emirate, Ryan air might not have more destinations than Emirates.

- If my grandma had 2 wheels, she would have been a motorcycle.
- If my dad had wings, he would have been a boeing 747.

Both of the above sentences are instances, but one thing common to them is that they are both meaningless and unrealistic instances. You dont need nursery education to discern that.

Thd point being made here is you should stop making unrealistic instances in arguments. You cant keep assuming that EA planes are idle and rotting away on the tarmac while AP planes are being utilised to 150% capacity; where're you digging up these pointless instances from?

If EA management was stupid enough to just amass 154 planes that are idle (as you keep suggesting in your instances), then EA would have since folded up cos airline businesses thrive on aircraft utilisation.

If the airline is reporting profits and expanding its fleet, shouldnt common sense tell you they're getting bookings? Had it been that AP had like over 100 planes while EA had 154, perhaps your assumptions and argument would have been reasonable. Do you know how terribly bad business has to be for EA with 154 planes to have less overall passenger headcount than an airline with 29 planes?

Meanwhile talking of Ryanair, are you aware Ryansir has over 580 active planes compared to Emirates eith about 260?... Ryanair is also a low cost airline that almost operates what I'd call a 'molue' service; they thrive on short routes and maximise number of seats in their planes. Looking at the numbers, common sense can easily tell you and I that Ryanair would have more passenger turnover than emirates.

If I may ask, on what evidence is your argument even based? Just assumptions? Or is it the obviously fictitious and severally debunked figures posted by the OP?

neyobills:
A commercial airline has 154 airframes,however only 4 is dedicated to African Market another has 29 airframes and 20 is dedicated to the African market who would have the biggest number of passengers within Africa?
...

You seem to dig out weird numbers from your imagination, believe the numbers, build your arguments on these imaginary numbers, and then pass them across as facts. How did you arrive at the conclusion that only 4 out of 154 EA planes are dedicated to Africa? A quick check to EA's website reveals the run to over 20 local destinations (in-country) and over 60 destinations in Africa. How did you come to the conclusion that only 4 planes are used for these over 80 destinations?

Cc: pappilo

neyobills:
You cant wrap your head around it because u dont work in aviation,firstly the data is about the African market only,which means it only applies to flights within Africa so doesnt cover all destinations,they might have bigger size of fleet however have you bothered to ask what is the frequency of their flights within Africa,for example if AP has 3 flights to JHB daily while EA has one,then AP has more passengers,EA wont fly to JHB empty just because they have a bigger fleet,they fly based on frequency of bookings,size of fleet doesnt determine the frequency of bookings.

Somehow im not assuming anything,im not holding brief for AP however the data is very possible,they would have more fleet dedicated to more busier routes,thats basic common sense,perhaps the busier routes for AP are middle east and europe so that is where most of the fleet would be dedicated to.

Meanwhile my analogy was just an example to let you know fleet size isnt the only parameter to consider,i dont need to research on that cos i work im aviation,so i know better,you are only getting worked up due to fleet size without confirming the types of airframes involved in the fleet,i guess now you have a better idea that fleet size alone cant be a determinant factor without considering the type of airframe.

Just to clarify i already knew both dont have a jumbo,the analogy is for you to have an idea of airframes,the realistic answer to that is frequency of booking,if AP with one jumbo goes to a destination daily while EA goes to the same destination once in 3 days,then AP wins despite having a smaller fleet,EA wont fly empty airframes just for display of a bigger fleet,they fly based on booking frequency.

Lol... You're actually a funny individual for confidently perpetuating such an illogical argument despite what everyone has told you.

By the way, I'm a well educated adult with a sound mind and also with the gift of discernment. I don't have to work in the aviation industry to understand basic number; this is common sense!

I'm wondering where you got your idea from that the OP was referring to only passengers carried within Africa; but let's even assume its within Africa like you claim. The EA fleet operating within Africa far outnumbers the entire AP fleet; EA travels to over 20 cities within Ethiopia and over 60 cities in Africa. How many destinations does AP fly to?

You keep repeating this argument about AP flying to a destination 3 times a day but EA flying to same destination once in 3 days; where on earth are you digging up these imaginary numbers from? EA has been in existence for almost 80 years and is the largest and most profitable airline in Africa, but somehow you think the management of EA are idiots that they don't know how to maximally utilise their planes? Are you saying EA doesn't know how to manage an airline business? They're not getting frequent bookings but somehow they keep buying more and more planes, expanding their fleet even with more wide-body aircrafts and they're not getting bookings?? Buying more and more planes to fly empty? What kind of voodoo economics is that? Is this what you've learnt from your time working in the aviation industry?

Just like @pappilo pointed out to you, even if AP converts all its 29 planes to 777's carrying up to 300 passengers per plane, AP wouldn't still match the capacity of EA. Abeg try using common sense sometimes; cos you keep making your so called time in the aviation industry questionable.

neyobills:
Firstly this fact is about the African market and not International.


The Logic in the world there is foot traffic,flight frequency,and capacity of airframe.


Lets take flight frequency for example ,if Airpeace has 3 daily flights to JHB while Ethiopian airlines has 1,then for sure Airpeace has more passangers for that route.

Basic economics is no respecter of sentiments,size of fleet is sentiments in this issue,If Airpeace flight to Accra is for example 200k,while price of Ethiopean airlines is 300k,will you as a person go for the Ethiopean flight due to size of fleet,add some zeros to the fleet size and go use am buy yam for market na.

Parameters like safety rating are things that really matter in aviation not only size of fleet.

Not sure I can wrap my head around the logic of this your argument... Ethiopian Airlines has 154 planes; that is more than 5 times the fleet size of AirPeace which has just 29 planes. EA also has way more wide-body aircrafts than AP and travels to more destinations, but somehow you think AP is ferrying more passengers annually than EA?... How exactly is this even logical to you?...

Somehow you've assumed and confidently concluded that EA just bought their 154 planes as decorations; obviously they aren't sufficiently knowledgeable or smart or capable of efficiently optimising the use of their 154 planes, that must be why AP is flying more passengers annually with just 29 planes. All of this just because you saw some unverified figures plucked from God knows where?

Meanwhile I saw an analogy you gave in one of your earlier posts about how AP with just one A380 should be able to ferry more passengers than EA with four A320's. Obviously that was an attempt by you to play down the relevance of EA's fleet size; afterall fleet size is just a number and just "sentiments". But did you even bother to research the equipment both airlines have in their fleet before jumping to your conclusions?...

Just to clarify, both airlines don't have A380's, but if we must stick with this your analogy, the more realistic comparison and question you should try and answer is how AP with one A380 would carry more passengers than EA with 9 A380's.

neyobills:
Open your mind.....this fact is about more passengers within African routes,not size of fleet,or total number of international route passengers,Ethiopian airlines has a larger fleet no doubt,most of their busiest routes are the middle east and Europe,Air peace on the other hand has busier routes within Africa because we obviously have a larger local travelling population compared to Ethiopia.

Except you guys are saying Ethiopian Airlnes have just parked two-thirds of their fleet on the ground for decoration, there's absolutely no logic in the world that can make Air Peace with a fleet size of 29 carry more passengers yearly than Ethiopian airlines with a fleet size of 154 planes.

No airline buys planes to park them at the tarmac to waste away.

immortalcrown:
Throw your question to the comments that are already condemning the Igbo tribe under the thread, not to me who just predicted those comments.

Meanwhile, you have not answered my questions.

I've made my point already; Erisco attempting to lawlessly 'deal' with the lady is a typical case of Nigerian big men trying to oppress the poor - It has nothing to do with tribe and such lawless acts are not restricted to any tribe.

Sorry if the way I chose to express my opinion fails to meet your expectations.

immortalcrown:
You have not answered my questions.

If you cant deduce my point from what I wrote, then I'm not sure I know what else you want me to answer to.

Before seeking an answer to whatever question you asked, you might want to answer my own question first - "Wetin concern tribe for this matter?"

immortalcrown:
Why not answer the questions in my comment? You can see those using the post to mock the Igbo tribe. Ask them what tribe has to do with the matter.

What I wrote is already an answer to these comments. Big man trying to oppress the poor, what has that got to do with tribe?

immortalcrown:
What exactly is the reason for the boycott?

Is it that what the girl did about the product is good?

Is it that she was wrong and has sincerely apologized but the company rejects the apology?

Meanwhile, this is the kind of post that tribal bigots use to push the narrative of, "Igbo people do not love one another". See the bigots below.

Wetin concern tribe for this matter?.... A 'big man' attempted to use his 'bigmanism' to do exactly what big men do in lawless societies; i.e. to oppress the poor. Unfortunately for this big man, his actions have backfired terribly.

Saint99:
Aba is a large commercial city in the southeast, so having an airport in Abia is not a bad idea

Aba is about a 40 mins drive from the Sam Mbakwe (Imo) airport under good road conditions. If we're to be honest with ourselves, putting political, ethnic and other irrational considerations aside, I don't believe an airport is a most pressing economic or developmental priority for Abia state.

Indaboski Chair!

AnyanwuSilas:
It's a lie if you say South South people don't scream for their natural resources being taken unfairly and the destruction of their land.

It's silly to claim that gas reserves are all over Nigeria. Europeans can claim so too.

You're ignorant if you don't know how Gas(energy) can be converted to wealth.

You're talking nonsense!

The SS people never fought against building the NLNG plant and neither did they fight against building other relevant infrastructure required to extract or sell or gas. Rather, what the SS people clamour for is a higher share of the income that comes from selling their oil and gas, and in my opinion, that's a sensible thing to fight for.

On the other hand, what are you and your ilk on this forum clamouring for? You're fighting against building the primary infrastructure (pipelines) needed to convert the gas to wealth. In your honest opinion, is that a sensible fight when compared with the clamour of the SS?

Biodun556:
Portharcourt refinery and others will also need like 500,000 barrels

Will the little left be enough to forex for Nigeria?

Nigeria can gain 5-10x more forex inflow by exporting refined products instead of raw crude.

coolcharm:
Nigeria produces about 1.6 million barrel of crude per day. How is a 650k barrels per day refinery beyond it?

hisgrace090:
Good question!

Nigeria may have 1.6 million barrels daily, but all of that isn't readily available to sell to 1 man. Most of that 1.6m barrels already has people's names to it.

AnyanwuSilas:
We're not talking of current production so stop deceiving yourself.

We're talking of the construction going on for future production.

Here was the minister of petroleum from South South saying it himself that South East is the future. Sylvia Timpere

Gas reserves are all over the southern and even some middle belt basins in Nigeria. In the last 60 years or so, 97% of Nigeria's oil and gas production has been from the south-south region and this has literally fed the entire six regions of Nigeria for the last 6 decades. We've never seen people of the SS screaming blue murder on how SS gas is being sold to Europe or Asia or the Americas; we also never heard people of the SS lamenting the building of NLNG train 1 to 5. Why exactly have you guys insisted on bringing ridicule to the SE with this 'our gas' campaign?

So let's even assume there's gas reserves only in the SE, how exactly can this gas be converted to wealth if pipelines aren't built?

Why's the entire discussion on this thread about the south east? Is it genuine ignorance at play or just a deliberate attempt at mischief? Cos the last time I checked, over 90% of Nigeria's current gas production is currently from the south-south.

Is asking for transparency really such an offensive thing or perhaps a sin before God?

Financial transparency to congregants and the government is a norm in churches in some foreign countries. Does this make these churches less holy or sanctified?

Why is it mainly in African churches that asking for financial transparency is frowned upon?

tosyne2much:
OP needs a knock on his head

Not even Ebenezer Obey, Sunny Ade, Orlando Owo and Lagbaja made your top 5 list

When last did these people sing a song?

Where is Helinues? Oya come and spew your usuals...

Wickedfacts:
Most of those antagonising this project are Igbos. However, it is unfortunate that this project has shown the kind of hatred Igbos have for the South South.

You love the south south so much, so why didnt you start the project in the south south? You conveniently started it in Lagos knowing fully well the construction will barely ever cross beyond the Lagos border even in 8 years.

You love the south south so much but the existing east-west road which links all major states in the region, you've refused to complete it after 2 decades, citing lack of funds. It'd cost less than a trillion naira to complete the east-west road but you claim there's no money for that; instead you choose to prioritise building a brand new N15trillion road starting with Phase 1 which conveniently starts and ends inside Lagos. Meanwhile it is Igbos that hate the SS?

So much love for the south south indeed! ❤️

These clowns will stop at nothing to force this into an ethnic debate.... They know that once they mention ethnicity, every chance of a sensible debate is buried and then the thieves in power have the freedom to loot however they please..... You claim theres no money to fix the existing roads that go across the south south region, yet you want to spend an imaginary N15 trillion to build a brand new road?.... You claim you're doing it for the south south, yet you're starting inside Lagos (and obviously ending inside Lagos).

Christistruth00:
So where was all this Energy of Opposition when the Second Niger Bridge was being built
And all the roads you mentioned were already in need of fixing?

Common sense is what I stated; political and ethnic sentiments is the only reason the simple logic wouldn't make sense to some of you. Stop trying to decieve yourself thinking you're deceiving the south south with fake love.

Niger bridge was a totally different scenario and can never be compared. There was nothing wrong with the existing bridge besides the perennial vehicular traffic which causes agony to commuters. Under that scenario, the only sensible solution was a second bridge. If the existing niger bridge was barely motorable and could be fixed with a microscopic fraction of the cost of a new bridge, the agitation would have been for the existing bridge to be fixed first, especially since it would undoubtedly represent a quicker, cheaper, practical, easily achievable and most sensible solution from the perspective of prioritsation. Again, this is common sensesense!

Christistruth00:
This is what Yoruba People call Etanu

(Bad Belle)

Only those who don't want SS Progress would condemn the Lagos Calabar Highway

And they opened their eyes and saw how Much was sunk into building Abuja using the SS Resources

Anyway when you remember the Story of how Azikiwe transfered the Capital of the Eastern Region from Calabar to Enugu against all protests and British advice you understand what's going on better

You want to help the south south, yet you didnt complete the east-west road that's been under construction for 20 years?

You want to help the South South yet didnt complete the Sagamu-Ore-Benin-Sapele-Warri road thats been under construction for over 2 decades?

You want to help the south south yet you cant patch up the Benin-Auchi road that's swallowing vehicles every rainy season?

All of the above roads connect all major cities in the south south and would cost less than N1trillion to fix, but for over 2 decades you claim there's no money to fix them. Rather because you love the south south so much, you want to sink N15.6 trillion into a brand new coastal superhighway starting with Phase 1 which conveniently starts and ends inside Lagos? You people must think you're talking to cavemen.

bottlewater1:
This is what we are saying, instead of you to hold your governor, senator, house of rep member and high profile politician in that area
to ransom you are shouting tinubu.

Since when did governors and senators start being responsible for federal highways?

Why's anyone surprised or rattled by this?
During the last campaigns, the only notable achievement of BAT as an 8 year governor was that he significantly increased IGR in Lagos. Many flaunted this as an achievement during the elections, so what's the current noise about?

Reflect7:
Mr Man, that road will be completed in 7 to 8 years maximum.

I don't know where you people and Obi are plucking out these outlandish figures like 30 years and all this nonsense.

You need to stop this.

Regarding the funding, ''The total estimated cost of the 700km Lagos-Calabar Coastal road project is put at N15.6 trillion. The funding model for the Lagos-Calabar coastal road project is EPC+ (Engineering, Procurement, Construction, and Financing) where the federal government would put up a counterpart financing of around 30% while the contractor funds the remainder.

Last October, FEC approved the EPC+ model for this project in favor of Hitech Construction company. Going by the estimated N15.6 trillion cost for the entire coastal road stretch, the federal government’s counterpart fund is around N4.68 trillion.

The federal government, in a bid to hasten the commencement of the project, decided to finance construction of the first 47km in phase 1 of the road project, which runs from Ahmadu Bello Way, Victoria Island to the Lekki Deep Sea port. The contract sum of N1.06 trillion was awarded for this section by FEC to Hitech, and construction is ongoing with unprecedented speed.

Whatever funding FG is providing for this section of the road will come under the FG’s counterpart fund. I must emphasize that this funding model adopted by the Tinubu administration is the best model possible, considering the country’s revenue size. This is a monumental infrastructural project being majorly funded with private finance. This is possible because the coastal road is extremely viable.''

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2024/05/06/lagos-calabar-coastal-road-leave-the-talk-lets-face-the-business/

Okay oo... 7-8 years for a 700km road primarily through rivers and swamps. May God keep us alive to witness the miracle.

Quintessence44:
Dude, this is a 70% PRIVATELY FUNDED PROJECT.

The FG will add 30%.

The road will be TOLLED, to pay for itself.

Why is this a PROBLEM for you?

The road leads through and opens up the NIGER DELTA to business and tourism.

The same NIGER DELTA that is FEEDING ALL OF YOU.

Y'all need to STFU.

Seriously.

If it's truly going to be privately funded, then it 100% makes sense. But is it?Last time I checked, the govt has reversed itself and is now fully funding the first phase (about 44km or so). Or are we talking of a different project?


And hey hey hey, quit trying to delude yourself or deceive anyone that you're trying to do the niger delta a favour here; quit playing to the gallery with those overused political and ethnic gimmicks. Everyone knows it's a good project IF it's actually built and no one is against it on that basis; however the current debate bothers strictly on prioritisation and the practicality of its realisation. Can Nigeria afford over N15trillion to build the road when the same Nigerian govt claims it lacks funds to complete the East-west road after over 20 years?

For the past 20+ years you've not been able to complete the simple dualisation of the already existing east-west road which traverses the entire niger delta citing lack of funds; it'd cost less than N1trillion to complete that, but the fund isn't available. But miraculously you have the funds to start a brand new road from Lagos? For a road which may take another 20-30years to build, you claim you're doing it for the niger delta but you're starting from Lagos?

NaijaCowFarm:
Ode, 1.63Km bridge and 700 Kiliometer *11 are they the same??
Do you know that from Ondo through Warri to Akwa-Ibom is swamy, so your costal road would likely need about 400KM bridge? WHITE ELEPHANT PROJECT!!!

Tellmeastory:
You do not quantify the cost of a deep water bridge vis-a-vis a regular road based on mere kilometres.

You no go school?

@Tellmeastory, Do you know what a coastal road through the Niger delta swamps would entail?.... That road would have over 100 bridges, most of which would be longer than the 2nd niger bridge. Infact almost half of that 700km would literally be bridges, yet you call that a "regular road"? You really think that's a realistic and practical project right?

Tellmeastory:
True, but the bridge is not even dilapidated!

There is nothing wrong with the bridge.

Someone there just decided a new bridge was what they wanted in the East, and they pressured the FG to build it!

That is exactly my point! There was nothing wrong with the 1st bridge besides that the perennial traffic on it was extreme and unbearable. So it only made sense for the commuters to yearn for a new bridge to ease the pain.

However, IF the 1st bridge was dilapidated or unmotorable, and the govt claims it didnt have the funds to patch the already existing bridge, then what sense would it have made to initiate a brand new bridge under such circumstances?

Another point about the niger bridge was its cost. A simple bridge of less than 2km over a single river was definitely a practical and achievable project. But is the 700km coastal road a practical and achievable project given the financial situation of the country?

The existing roads which run through all coastal states, (i.e. the Lagos-Sagamu-Ore-Benin-Sapele-Warri and the east west road up to Calabar) are all in bad shape and I'm sure 1trillion would completely fix these roads. In the last 20 years, the FG hasnt been able to complete these roads due to fund shortages, but somehow someone thinks its a wise decision to start constructing a brand new parallel road which will costs over N15trillion? Where will the money come from?

Must we play blind follow-follow politics with everything?

Tellmeastory:
Was 2nd Niger Bridge A ''Wasted Venture'' Since You Already Had The 1st Niger Bridge?

I don't recall any complaints about the multi-billion dollar state-of-the-art 2nd Niger Bridge being ''a waste of resources since we already have the 1st Niger Bridge, and there are numerous bad roads in the country that need fixing''.

Or is it one rule for a section of the country and another rule for others?

2nd Niger Bridge (and 1st Niger Bridge to the left)
https://mmo.aiircdn.com/370/634fec13bceef.jpeg

https://cdn.punchng.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/07022614/Second-Niger-Bridge.jpg




1st Niger Bridge
https://i0.wp.com/thefisayo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Niger-bridge.png

This is common sense; if the 1st niger bridge was dilapidated and barely motorable, and there is acute shortage of funds, the sensible thing to do with the limited funds will be to fix the existing bridge before embarking on a new one.

Lemos14:
Nonsense. That's how you people encourage nonsense and Christian's feel they can still fornicate once in a while and ask God for mercy. The best way to stop an addiction is to stop it and flee any appearance of what will make you fall. Stop encouraging rubbish. This is why our society is like this.

You will relapse when you still play with your triggers of what make you addicted to something

It's either you're genuinely and honestly ignorant of how 'addictions' work, or perhaps you're just trying to be a holier-than-thou judgemental hypocrite (no offense intended please).

If you truly understand the dynamics of addictions, you would realise that it is practically impossible to stop an addiction overnight. What the person you quoted said is the truth; quite often if you try to stop an addiction overnight, you typically relapse into a worse form of the same addiction. Practical therapies against addictions (be it drugs or alcoholism etc) usually employ the method of substitution, i.e. gradually substitute the substance of the addiction with something else which is less harmful, until the addiction dies away.