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PoliticsRe: Reno Omokiri Shades Buhari Administration , Twitter Users Reply by obailala(m): 5:54pm On Nov 25, 2017
The only marvel about this development is how the nincompoop developed amnesia over how he and his boss just recently ruled Nigeria for 5 years and how they enjoyed more revenue than all other Nigerian administrations put together, but ended up leaving Nigeria in a mess. Yet he thinks a Buhari who inherited the mess and has ruled for 2.5 years is responsible for the undeveloped situation?... Buhuri is certainly responsible.... for Reno's frustration and premature senility.
PoliticsRe: MMIA Passengers Compelled To Use Stella Oduah’s Multi-story Parking Garage by obailala(m): 4:58pm On Nov 25, 2017
BigIyanga:
Sorry sir,
Airports come with Pick-up and drop-off terminals. Most air travellers are dropped and picked by family and friends and they need no parking.
Biko how do u pick-up without parking?
PoliticsRe: MMIA Passengers Compelled To Use Stella Oduah’s Multi-story Parking Garage by obailala(m): 4:19pm On Nov 25, 2017
BigIyanga:
Nah... Dont talk without experience! All over the world, Drop-offs and pick-ups are allowed at arrival and departure terminals. Parking is only required for long term parking and flyers!!
Did you just talk of experience in what you just said? Even large hotels only permit drop offs within the reception area; if you're to pick up, you ought to use the car park. This is just common sense cos drop offs take typically less than a minute as opposed to pick ups. But since you claim you have vast 'global experience' in these things, kindly mention the international airports globally where individuals (not just taxis) are allowed to park and wait infront of arrival terminals to pick up arriving passengers.
PoliticsRe: MMIA Passengers Compelled To Use Stella Oduah’s Multi-story Parking Garage by obailala(m): 12:28pm On Nov 25, 2017
BuariCopyPaste:
Yoropigs.. ...if Na tinubu get the car park will you guys write this long epistle
Didnt imagine this thread could so easily descend into tribal slurs. A lot of sick tribalist litter Nigeria's cyberspace.
PoliticsRe: MMIA Passengers Compelled To Use Stella Oduah’s Multi-story Parking Garage by obailala(m): 12:16pm On Nov 25, 2017
Nigerians just love disorder and abhor any form of civility.. What on earth is wrong if visitors to an airport are made to use the appropriate airport parking facilities (which of course never really existed at that airport before now)?

All over the world, airports have specific parking locations for 'drop offs' and 'pick ups'. Drop offs typically take less time, so drivers are allowed to get close to the terminal, but for pick ups, you are meant to use the allocated parking facility. I understand this is simply the model the MMIA has just adopted to eliminate the traffic chaos which is the hallmark at the airport. What does it matter if the company that operates the parking facility is linked to Odua?
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 12:00am On Nov 25, 2017
ofai:
I know my scripture. Am a "berean" Christian.

That said, you can't hold on permanently to anything if you don't receive it by revelation, believe me.

I don't condemn those who don't tithe for reasons best known to them, but I also know the tithing can ignite spiritual abundance, not necessarily material excesses/blessings.
There we go again, "personal revelation" and not necessarily from scriptures!

The church needs funds for its operations and encouraging tithing is one very effective way to secure funds for day to day operations. But where there is a problem is in the teaching that a person who doesn't pay tithes regularly to his local church would incur God's wrath and attract divine curses; therein lies the problem, and this sort of teaching is exactly what Christ condemned when he scolded the Pharisees for holding on to unimportant laws.

Are you aware that a majority of people who tithe religiously today do so out of the fear of possible divine consequences, and not out of a loving desire to give freely? Simply put, such teachings about divine punishment to non-tithers is WRONG! cos it negates the scriptures in 2Cor 9:7 which admonishes us to give without compulsion, and you cannot tell me that the 'Spirit' gives you a revelation which opposes scripture.

The moment a person gives out of 'fear of retribution, that is no longer 'cheerful giving' no matter how the person forces a smile on their face. Yes the church needs money for its operations, and of course, there is always a blessing that comes with giving, but what exactly are most churches preaching today to get their members to give?... Are they preaching scripture or are they preaching heresy?
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 10:38pm On Nov 24, 2017
ofai:
My brother, tithing was NOT a Jewish tradition. Abraham was from mesopotamia, he paid tithes (even for his unborn descendants), Jacob also known as Israel has no "Jewish tradition" then, yet he paid tithes. the Jewish nation wasn't in existence when tithing began.
You are quite right, Abraham wasnt a Jew, and that explains why Abraham never paid a 'mandatory' tithe as was prescribed in the Law; Abraham only paid out of his love and appreciation for God for giving him victory in battle and it is on record that he paid just once. True or False?

Jacob also wasnt a Jew so he never was under any compulsion or order such as the Mosaic Law to pay a tenth regularly. Jacob made a vow at Bethel promising God to give a tenth of his earnings if God saved him from calamity. True or False?

The circumstances and the system of tithing paid by Abraham and Jacob were certainly not like the mandatory requirements of the Mosaic Law.

The Law of mandatory tithing which is preached in mordern day churches definitely has its basis from the Mosaic Laws given to the Jews. So my question is, are we, Gentile Christians (or Nigerian Christians) under the Mosaic laws which Jesus Christ has already downplayed and ended with his sacrifice?.. Are we still under the Mosaic laws?.... Scriptural backing would be useful in your answers; you can ask your pastor, but please dont just accept the empty answer that "it is a revelation"
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 10:27pm On Nov 24, 2017
ofai:
Nobody is forcing anybody on tithing. But if you are sensitive to spiritual principles....tithing will be a thing of ease.

The Bible says many materialistic and selfish ministers shall arise.....that however, doesn't mean the sincere ones are not there who deserve to utilize the tithes for the furtherance of the gospel
No its not about it being a thing of ease or not, it's about preaching the truth!

Of course the church needs the money from tithes for its operation and then again, there's always a blessing that comes with giving. So yes, it's a good thing to give tithes, but the problem lies in the mordern day teaching that paying 10% of your income to a church is a MANDATORY requirement to be in God's good books. From my understanding of the scripture, that is complete heresy, and that's exactly the sort of teaching Christ scolded the pharisees for everyday.

Jesus Christ's teachings made it clear that those Mosaic laws were not important, he scolded the Pharisees for holding on tightly to unimportant teachings (specifically mentionted tithe payments); he also demonstrated the unimportance of most of the old laws by healing a person on a sabbath day to dismay of the Pharisees (who were the highest custodians of the Law). Today I really dont see how preachers who threaten Christians with God's wrath if they dont part with 10% are different from those Pharisees that Jesus scolded.

And finally, tithing was a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to the Gentile church following the Pentecost (I may be wrong but scriptural references to the contrary would help). The only principle of giving preached by the apostles to the gentile church is conveyed in 2Cor 9:7. I may be wrong again, but it would really be worthwile if someone could just prove me wrong with scriptures and not 'personal revelations'.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:58pm On Nov 24, 2017
petra1:
When Jesus taught on new law LOVE . Mosaic law was still in operation . Jesus was not limited by mosaic law . He made modicfication on sabbath and other issues he felt were not perfect
Of course Jesus preached that those laws were not important; He healed on the sabbath (which is against the Law) and also scolded the Pharisees for holding onto parts of the laws that didnt matter. Jesus Christ preached about what mattered most, which is love.

And then again, tithing is a Jewish tradition, it was never commanded to non-Jewish believers. Apostle Paul explained the principles of giving under the new covenant to the non-jewish/gentile believers (which we all fall under today). And the principle preached by Paul was "giving freely, and without compulsion, whatever a man willeth in his heart." 2Cor 9:7

Saying a person must pay a specific amount (10%) in order to be in God's good books is complete heresy, that's the total opposite of what Jesus Christ preached and thats exactly what Jesus scolded the Pharisees for daily; it also totally negates the Holy Spirit inspired teachings in 2Cor 9:7.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:45pm On Nov 24, 2017
ofai:
My sister, Shalom to you.

A lot of carnal or perhaps aggrieved minds will not understand the legitimacy of tithing.

That said, let me add to what you have stated -

Tithing i.e giving a tenth of ones proceeds PREDATED the mosaic law. Abraham tithed (even for his unborn descendants) Genesis 14:20; Hebrew 7:2.

Jacob tithed too Genesis 28:20-22

So, its NOT something gotten from the law. It was done by revelation.

In the new testament, Jesus didn't in any occasion condemning tithing. In fact, he validated it in Matthew 23:23 being that he criticized the religious leaders for paying attention ONLY to tithes but not paying attention to more important issues like justice, mercy, etc.

It is true that many church ministers are preaching tithes out of selfish and materialistic purposes, it still doesn't invalidate the giving of tithes.

Tithing is a thing of principle guided by divine revelation. If you believe and key into it, it goes beyond giving you material blessings as seen in Malachi 3:10.
Seems like the only explanation present day proponents of the 'mandatory' law of tithing have is that it is a 'revelation'. Obviously there's no scriptural backing why non-Jewish (Gentile) Christians under the new covenant must abide by old Mosaic laws so the argument always ends in "it is a spiritual revelation"

Abtaham tithed and Jacob tithed, but both didnt tithe under any form of compulsion or any mandatory law as it is preached today; both men tithed only once in their lives by the way. Jacob made a vow to God promisimg to give a tenth of his earnings if God delivered him from calamity, he kept to his promise. Likewise Abraham who did so out of love for God, he wasnt under a bond to tithe.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:37pm On Nov 24, 2017
petra1:
.

What do you say about the verse then

Ephesians 6:1-2
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promisewink
You're mixing up 'the laws' and 'the commandments'. Of course the ten commandments still stand till forever; that's why they were reiterated several times even in the new covenant teachings.

You really ought to go study the book of Deuteronomy to understand what the laws talked about. And then it would be nice if you can point out any Christian in present day who can keep up to one-tenth of them.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 6:06pm On Nov 24, 2017
chisco82:
No, all im saying is that Jesus Christ himself never condem tithing.
Luke 11:42 KJV
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The bolded said it sometthing that need to be done.
Jesus Christ made that statement to Pharisees who are teachers of THE MOSAIC LAW. Remember, at the time the statement was made, the Mosaic Laws were still in full operation for all Jews.

From my own understanding of the bible, following the supreme sacrifice of Jesus, (i.e. his death and resurrection), it marked the beginning of the NEW COVENANT. The old covenant had all the Mosaic Laws which included animal sacrifices, men being prohibited from shaving side hair etc. The death of Jesus gave rise to the new covenant and under the new covenant teachings by the apostles, I'm yet to see any scripture which mandates any Christian to observe the old covenant Mosaic Laws. In the new covenant, Christians are urged to give freely, whatever they choose in their hearts and without compulsion (2Cor 9:7).

A lot of people who still insist on the Mosaic Laws of mandatory 10% giving obviously have poor knowledge of the full Mosaic laws. You to go read through the books of Numbers and Deutronomy and kindly tell me if you can keep up to 20% of those laws (giving 10% for blessings and to avoid curses) definitely is just 1 out of the numerous laws.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m):
Rangojack:
Tithing is very scriptural, even Jesus Christ commended it and didn't condemn it;

"Matthew 23:23-26The Message (MSG)

23-24 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that’s wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?"

That being said, during the Old testament days, the service of the sanctuary is meant only for the Levites and the house of Aaron, but during the dispensation of grace(New Testament), even gentiles received the Holy Spirit hence the service of the sanctuary is made open to all (so far God chooses to use you), I think this explains why we don't have to pay tithes only to Levites.

If you are tithing, please don't compromise, according to Jesus Christ you are doing the right thing.
Tithing was a Mosaic Law given to the jews. The Mosaic laws were no longer binding after the sacrifice of Christ on the cross (or so I thought); or isnt that the reason we no longer perform animal sacrifices to cleanse people of their sins anymore?.... Or isnt that the reason a Christian today can wear a garment made of dual fabric?... Isnt that the reason a Christian today can plant more than one type of seed in his farm and even neatly shave off his side hair without incurring God's wrath?...

How come the present day church acknowledges that the bulk of Mosaic Laws are no longer binding, but still hold on to some of these Mosaic laws such as mandatorily giving a tenth (or face judgement)?.. Some churches even go as far as meting out the judgement themselves by denying some simple benefits to members who miss out on tithing.

It would really be nice if anyone can point out anywhere in the scriptures where the Mosaic Laws were imposed on the Gentile Christians by any of the early Apostles.

The one point I know where Apostle Paul specified the principles of giving to the Gentile Christians was in 2Cor 9:7 were he admonished Christians to give freely whatever they elect in their hearts and without any compulsion.

Modern churches preaching that a 'Proper Christian' MUST give 10% of his earnings to his local church (or risk God's wrath) doesnt exactly sound like free-will giving, and neither does it fall in line with the teachings of the first Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 11:46am On Nov 24, 2017
chisco82:
Please can you support the bolded with scriptural backup Or did you just assume that?
Permit me to respond with a question; even with the death and resurrection of Christ, are you by any means suggesting that the Mosaic Laws are still binding on new covenant Christians? And by new covenant Christians, I also mean the Gentile Christians under which Nigeria falls?
CelebritiesRe: Fan Trolls Kunle Remi, Adesua Etomi’s Ex For Losing Her To Banky W, He Reacts by obailala(m): 11:40am On Nov 24, 2017
oluogbon0000:
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Go look very very well, kai the trending wedding go dabaru o.....Banky is in for trouble grin
Hahaha.. I just took a second look. Chaii! But then, Banky knows he's marrying an actress who has kissed, and will still kiss plenty other men (and even women) on screen; that totally isnt an issue.

robotix:
are u sure u know Will Smith and Jada?
Just took a second look. I guess I only read the caption.
PoliticsRe: South-South & South-East Roads Worst In The Country — FG by obailala(m): 11:29am On Nov 24, 2017
BeeBeeOoh:
Waiting for the peeps who will blame GEJ but forgot that OBJ, UMY was once the president but over look those roads
The only time people remember GEJ is when core GEJ fans begin to rain abuses and crucify PMB for his inability to automatically swing a magic wand and fix everything wrong with Nigeria in 2 years.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:43am On Nov 24, 2017
PointZerom:
Did Jesus marry?

Did his apostles divorce their wives?

Where did Jesus commanded OUTRIGHTLY that paying tithe is a sin?

Did they preach against tithe?.
Jesus didnt speak against tithing because at the time He was on earth, 'The Mosaic Law' was still in operation; 'The Law' was fulfilled by the death and resurrection. The instructions given to the New Coventant church and the Gentile churches (under which Nigeria falls) on giving is conveyed in 2Cor 9:7,

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

The last time I checked, if a mandatory percentage (10%) is attached to what a person must give to be in the good books of God, then that is no longer free-will giving but compulsion, and it negates the teaching in the verse above.

Any preacher who teaches that paying 10% is mandatory, and then refers to scriptures concerning the Mosaic Laws, that preacher is simply saying Christ hasnt fulfilled the law.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:33am On Nov 24, 2017
The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ fufilled (ended the era of) The Law.

The mandatory payment of a tenth (tithe) of one's increase is purely a component of The Law, together with animal sacrifices and all the other numerous strange and impossible components.

Any preacher today who still preaches that it is mandatory to pay 10% (a component of The Law) is simply saying that Christ's death has not fulfillled The Law.
Christianity EtcRe: Paying Your Tithe Is Biblical by obailala(m): 9:16am On Nov 24, 2017
hardasan:
1Chorinthians 10 vs 19 -20 says that sacrifices are not to God but to Idols. So offering of burnt offerings have been abolished that's why neither Jesus nor his disciples offered burnt offerings but Jesus never condemned tithes instead he said give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and give to God what belongs to God.
You do realise that tithing and offering of burnt offerings were all parts of The Law?... and these were the same laws Jesus came to fulfil with His death and resurrection. So if you believe the supreme sacrifice of Jesus Christ has fulfilled the law and thereby put an end to animal sacrifices, why then do you think the mandatory tithing part of The Law has not also been fulfilled?

You said Jesus didnt condemn tithing, but you seem to overlook the fact that whilst Jesus was still on earth, The Law was still in operation, The Law was only fulfilled after Jesus resurrected. If only you can point out a scripture in the New Covenant dispensation (i.e. after resurrection) where the apostles commanded anyone to pay a mandatory 10%, that would be the best scriptural basis for your argument.

You mentioned earlier about the people of the early church bringing in all they had to the apostles. Do you realise those people actually gave 'freely and without compulsion' according to Paul's teaching in 2Cor 9:7?

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

You do realise that the moment a percentage is specified in what I must give, then it's no longer 'what I've decided in my heart' but rather it is a compulsory demand?...

2Cor 9:7 is basically the model of giving instructed to the New Covenant church (i.e. post resurrection). This verse also explains the model of giving instructed to the Gentile Christians (of which Nigerian churches in 2017 fall under). I wonder why modern day preachers always neglect this simple instruction on giving freely as conveyed in 2Cor 9:7.

Yes it is good to give your tithe cos the money is needed for operational expenses of the church; and of course, God always rewards givers. But preaching that it's a mandatory command from God even under the New Covenant? and that any who doesnt tithe is under a divine curse, I'm sorry, that's heresy.
PoliticsRe: Amina Bala Shagari, Bilyamin Mohammed Bello's Divorced Wife Mourns His Death by obailala(m): 7:56am On Nov 24, 2017
Why's everyone making this guy look like a sissy?
CelebritiesRe: Fan Trolls Kunle Remi, Adesua Etomi’s Ex For Losing Her To Banky W, He Reacts by obailala(m): 7:50am On Nov 24, 2017
Charliiee:
Lol a pic from a movie scene will haunt Banky? Is that the first time Adesuwa will make out in a movie?
The pics is actually even of Will Smith and Jada.
Car TalkRe: Tesla Roadster Vs Bugatti Chiron: Which Will You Buy? (photos) by obailala(m): 7:43am On Nov 24, 2017
With the way these Tesla cars have emerged so quickly with super-amazing specs and unbelievable performance, I fear for the future of fossil fuel cars. Not trying to be superstitious here, but something just feels devilish about Tesla. lipsrsealed
PoliticsRe: Apo Six: Nigeria Police Reinstates Officer Who Killed Igbo Traders by obailala(m): 10:32pm On Nov 23, 2017
SalamRushdie:
This will not be allowed I swear .. What is Buhari turning thos country to ? After all the gory details of that case which was clearly one of pre meditated murder spurn by the ego of this very useless police officer.. every well meaning Nigerian must take to social media and protest this nonsense , Nigeria cannot be a home to injustice like Buhari want NEVER !!!!!
What tha hell does this even have to do with the Buhari that you keep blaming?... Are you just obsessed with bubari buhari buhari?.. And must everyrhing wrong with this country be politicised?
PoliticsRe: Apo Six: Nigeria Police Reinstates Officer Who Killed Igbo Traders by obailala(m): 10:17pm On Nov 23, 2017
HiddenShadow:
This is why I laugh at anti Biafran Igbos.

Biafra remains the only solution.
Not everything must be about tribe, not everything must be viewed from the tribal perspective. I doubt many people are capable of that though...
PoliticsRe: Gold Discovered In Commercial Quantity In Yauri, Kebbi State - Facebook User by obailala(m): 9:06pm On Nov 23, 2017
Ihatepork:
There is hardly any valuable mineral they don't have in the north, but they have this weird obsession with oil
Not just the north, every region of Nigeria and every state (including yours) has a mad obsession with oil. And that explains why Nigeiria still remains a poor country.
PoliticsRe: The Roads Leading To Shoprite Entrance, Warri Are In Bad State by obailala(m): 6:44pm On Nov 23, 2017
This flyover was just completed less than 2 years ago, yet see what the road already looks like.
PoliticsRe: The Cost Of The 8 Statues Rochas Okorocha Built In Imo Is N500,000 Each by obailala(m): 5:12pm On Nov 23, 2017
1miccza:
You would be surprised at the miracles that our politician scan perform when it comes to finances , have you forgotten that he couldn't defend the purchase of a christmas tree for 600million??
The real question to ask is, where did the figure come from?... Where did the N600million figure originate from? Anyone could just sit behind their laptop and claim N10billion was spent on christmas tree. Was the figure picked up from a budget document or was it from some gutter blog?..

With the rate at which any idiot can just churn out any report online and call it news, do you spare a second to consider how incredulous a figure sounds before even dignifying it with arguments?... Same way someone claimed $90billion was recovered from 1 person and people started discussing the nonsense with 'utmost seriousness'
PoliticsRe: The Cost Of The 8 Statues Rochas Okorocha Built In Imo Is N500,000 Each by obailala(m): 4:51pm On Nov 23, 2017
How could any right thinking human with a sound mind actually think those statues (which aren't even the size of the Statue of Liberty) could cost up to N520million each?

Whilst the statues still remain unnecessary and whilst I still believe a more substantial sum must have been pocketed in the moulding of those statues (definitely more than N500k), it still remains a fact that a lot of Nigerians are just too dumb for either generating or believing or spreading that N520million silly story.
Foreign AffairsRe: Joe Barton Sends Nudes To Lady With Explicit Text Message (Photos) by obailala(m): 1:32pm On Nov 23, 2017
Still wondering what the crime is here... Everyone seems to now want to blackmail others; even this too would soon be termed 'sexual assault'.
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Loses $9bn To Illegal Mining In 2 Years by obailala(m): 10:38am On Nov 23, 2017
ZorGBUooeh:
They won't stop illegal mining up north but they are against oil bunkering down south. angry
Must everything about Nigeria always be about north vs south?
Christianity EtcRe: The Road That Leads To Pastor Chris Oyakhilome's Hometown In Edo (Photos) by obailala(m): 9:43am On Nov 23, 2017
Lol.. na wa.. are they expecting an individual to fix a MAJOR federal road?
FoodRe: Bayelsa Man Prepares Meal With Alligator Meat (Photos) by obailala(m): 10:16pm On Nov 22, 2017
One day some people will eat the devil himself in their quest for strange delicacies...

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