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Christianity EtcRe: Still Having Doubt About Tithing.....? by obalola7: 12:52am On Nov 07, 2012
chukwudi44: So this is your idea of tithing ? Your level of ignorance is stupefying? It is obvious you do not even know what tithing is all about.
You i will neither condemn or reprimand you because to your level of reasoning is to your level of expression. Its sometime hard to tell a small boy that stand by the sea shore that the sky and water do not meet at the point his eyes can see. So the more you look the less you see.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Money Ritual A Myth Or True? by obalola7:
Sirniyeh: You may doubt it. There is one particular leaf, if you write your desires on it and fold it in your palm to sleep, you will be taken to a journey in your dream and direct you to how to connect big favour. When you wake, it becomes reality. This one has no ritual involve because God created the leaf. Money ritual is real.
Apart from ritual, herbs general is God's blessing to mankind but we have allowed western religion to deprive us of lots of advantages of it. Imagine, a medical doctor could not father a child. Marriage of 8 years was not fruitful. Lots of prayers and fasting but all proved abortive. He had no egg in the sperm to rpoduce atall. As a medical doctor, he had tried for that 8 years but to nothing. I told him that without ritual he can be a father. With just mixture of herbs, after following prescription, he went for sperm test and wahalahi, egg don dey yafun yafun. He is today a father of two.
This is free gift of nature. This is real. God is awesome!
@sirniyeh,

You will not stop to amaze me or intrigue me with your infallible hallucination on spiritual matters.
You appear to be babalawo Junior brother, uncle to some spiritual element or baba to some celestial beigns.
You wake up everyday on this religion section to brainwash people with all these your beliefs. Anyways, i think you just do this to be noticed.
People that actually see things would never say. Gave a medical doctor a leave and he became productive...?
wow that's amazing, i was thinking you will invoke some spirit in him and make him give birth to 100 children at a time.

I think your listeners would need more evidence whenever you try to buttress your point.
Christianity EtcRe: How Would U Choose Between A Brother's Need And Your Tithe by obalola7: 4:16pm On Nov 06, 2012
ecoleco: Response Please....
ecoleco: Hello All,

Please what will you do if a needy brother approaches you with a pressing need and the only cash you have at hand have been earmarked for tithing?
It will depend on the situation, if its between life and death.
If its to save life, give it to the brother or the person and make sure you look for another money as soon as you can to pay the tithes

However, if its just because the person is hungry or basic need like cloths, then pay your tithes first and help the person later.

The reference to this answer above can be traced to the following scenario on what Jesus will do, if he was in the same situation.


LUKE 13: 10-17


10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.

14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?

16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.
Christianity EtcRe: Still Having Doubt About Tithing.....? by obalola7: 4:01pm On Nov 06, 2012
obyrich: Cite one example in the new testament where Tithe was paid by early christians. Christ being our high priest in the order of Melchezedech did not collect tithe. He never mentioned it. He observed the sabbath day. Yet the so called pastors today emphasize tithing. Paul was a tent maker. He NEVER collected tithe. Mention one of christ disciples that collected or paid tithe. Please repent of your greed and false teaching.
Act 4:34-37

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.


Consequence of cheating God with your Tithes


Act 5: 1-10

5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Christianity EtcRe: Should We Give Ceaser What Belongs To Ceaser? by obalola7: 10:44am On Nov 06, 2012
eyenCalabar: I was just thinking then I decided to throw it open. As a Christian, we have nothing to do with things that are not in harmony with God's word especially some forms of sacrifices. But for instance you are face with a challenge that you have to make some sacrifices to your village god maybe a goat or dog or white fowl or all these so that you may not be troubled by their wrath. What would you do? Would you give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser? Would you just walk away and do what you wanted doing? Would you plead someone or a brother to do it for you so that it wouldn't look like you are the one doing this directly? What would you just do? let sample our views on this as Christians so that others can learn from us how best some issues can be handled.
I think your question has been answered. In the time of Jesus Caesar Augustus is the head of roman empire"Augustus was the founder of the Roman Empire and its first Emperor, ruling from 27 BC until his death in 14 AD" died after the death of Jesus was like the head of Nigeria government e.g Jonathan or any Government of King who has legitimate power to prosecute, sentence, and punish anyone within his jurisdiction of authority. Since Rome was the seat of power then, every one around the world submit to his power and pay homage every year. So its like the highest authority at that time.

Part of the law of ceaser then was paying "omoge" tax - Mathew 22:15-22 "15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way."

Concerning your question, you will see that serving other gods is not caesar rather its adulatory" The summary of giving what belong to caesar to caesar means obeying a governmental rule or law as a result of punishment if you fail to obey. For instance if you are not suppose to work on sunday as the bible enjoined us and the government says, everyone must work and you have no other option than to work, not when you have the option to look for another job, then it will be considered that you are giving caesar what belongs to caesar.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor T. B. Joshua: The Man in the Synagogue by obalola7: 6:41pm On Nov 05, 2012
purefact: May I say this: I have read some response to my story by some I know are from TBJ, Pls beloved, We will account for everything we do on this earth whether bad or good, I love TBJ and Pastor Chris so much when it comes to preaching the word of God, you can not take that away from me any day, but please we will be doing ourselves and God a big favor If we find out something that is not Godly in TBJ or Chris, that is making millions of people die ignorantly, instead of looking for medical solution or mind their habit or way of life, they now put their mind on the made believe miracles.


Continuation of my story


Just two months ago(may) my wife started fasting, that she must collect her own blessing from synagogue like other women, she is not going to go for any fibroid operation before she will carry her child, one Thursday, she now went to book for prayer line one Friday as usual, but was told it is now on Saturdays for prayer line not Sundays anymore but they must buy a compulsory three hundred naira faith book by TBJ( that I have uploaded).
The vary day of arrangement against the Saturday healing, she was asked to buy the compulsory three hundred naira book and they were all videoed and were asked to make sure they put on the same shirt that was videoed with them on Saturday morning for the healing.

On Saturday, I prayed with her and ask the favor of God to go with her, she came back later that day and told me all the usual miracles and she fell, even one white worker among the workers there, told her she should come for her testimony. She told me that one woman was almost strip of her placard(where you problems are written on) because she said she forgot She was so positive that her month is this; nothing will pass this month for her not to get pregnant. Her flow did not come the very day, that made her to be so positive again, within three to four days the delayed flow came, and her anger made her to do some unusual things, that caused misunderstanding between me and her for some days, I separated myself from her for some days which led to Her Elder brother coming from Benin city to make peace.

My brother in-law, had once called on phone that he was going to bring one of his friend who could not work to synagogue, and that they watch his preaching through satellite in Benin city, I then asked him why dint he come again, he said I should not mind the Man’s son, that he brought his father to Lagos, Lodged for about three weeks but could not see the Man of God, I now told him that it is now easy that my wife just attended one healing session. I now inserted the VCD of Beware of the Blasphemers for him to watch, while we were watching that clip, I noticed some things that surprised me.

There is this clip of one Sister Martha from America; she was duped of twenty two thousand Australian dollars, When I was watching the footage I noticed from the lady’s story, she came to synagogue with a problem, not mentioned, and was prayed for around 2003, she was now duped because her problem was still there and she called the Synagogue church that she want to speak with TBJ. A lady picked up the phone and said he was going to hook him up to TBJ, she said she talked with a man who claimed he was the real TBJ, she was asked to pay some money for anointing oil, etc. When they showed the boys(two) they blurred their faces you can never recognize them If you see them outside and one of them said “Original TBJ sorry, we are the fake, TBJ, now asked them to speak the truth, ONE OF THE FRAUD STARS said, “We collected money from our Foreign evangelist( Sis. Martha) “our” means, he(the fraud stars) are part of the ministry and for TBJ to mask them is another reason for one to understand that there is a skeleton in his cupboard.

Just when I was trying to go over these clips, I was browsing one day when I saw sir john’s story about Christ embassy healing school, I do go to the cyber café to read the tread because my wife was thinking of going to CE, eventually I register this name Purefact because I wanted to contribute to the topic, I did that and somebody wanted to shut me up, out of curiosity I now went back to watch some TBJ vcd that I bought from the church, to my greatest surprise, I saw the Arranged miracle thing in the video clip which is exactly what sir john talked about and so many fake prophesies prophesy in the VCD I could not sleep, and I vowed to show it to everybody so that you can judge for your self.

The white people are been used also in this tape that I will want every body to see,

Pls anybody who can teach me how to upload video pls to utube?


To be continued…, 5
Its been over 3 yrs that we have see you here, i hope you are ok and TB Joshua has not attack you or your swearing has caught up with you?
Just currious because you said To be continued and its over 3 yrs now, we are yet to see you or your comment. Please lets us know you are still alive
Christianity EtcRe: Deeper Christian Life Ministry Then, And Deeper Life Bible Church Now. by obalola7: 11:49am On Nov 05, 2012
@Ezniteadin

Where is the poster i have a question for you? It appears that this thread is over a year old and the poster have not been here in a while
FamilyRe: Children And Their Parent's unclothedness by obalola7:
Idi-Amin:
'Reprimanded' LOL, you make me laugh. Because I dont see any reason to jump behind the cupboard in case my kids walk into the room and I am undressed, then I need to be reprimanded. I have done nothing wrong and it is no dirty laundry. It is dirty laundry to you because you have a perversion of child molestation in your head, that is why it is dirty to you. maybe you were touched inappropriately as a child and still have not forgiven your relative that did this to you and you are still suffering from the experience. Sorry eh!. To me, it is not dirty laundry, dont feel any guilt because I dont rush for the towel to cover my manliness if any of my kids walk in the room. 'Reprimanded' hahaha, I just needed to say that word again
There is no doubt you have lots of time on your hands. First i think you are just who your portray yourself to be "Idi-Amin" I will not be surprise if you wake up one day and start behaving like your legendary mentor.
Charity begins at home. It always start with something and then it grows to something else. In a good civilized country, your children should have or eventually in Nigeria will be taking away from you until you are sober.
when i say "reprimand" i meant it and i think if your children is taken away for a year and you are allow a one time monthly visit, you will learn.

If you can not cover yourself from your kids, why don't you go out naked lets us know if you need to be checked mentally. You know it start from somewhere naked in the present of your kids, what will happen next, start playing with their genitals when your wife is not around, who knows if you have started doing that. Maybe i should ask your wife to setup anonymous camera so we can actually see other ridiculous stunts you might be experimenting with those innocent children.
FamilyRe: Children And Their Parent's unclothedness by obalola7: 7:22pm On Oct 31, 2012
Idi-Amin:
Anyway, I should have known that when you look for opinions from dull headed people, all you will get is abuse - calling me a bad role model, peadophile and a child abuser and molester. Nigerians! SMH anyway thanks for your feedback, appreciated
You are just on a defensive spree, if you know you don't want to be reprimanded or scolded for what you have done, then you shouldn't have wash your dirty laundry outside.
Also, i think you need help to comprehend phrases like the one i earlier left. There was no abuse in it, rather there was opinion and a better description of what you are doing. No one call you pedophile, however, if you think you are guilty of that, i think you are and therefore you should change your childish behavior. You need to be reprimanded and that was what my earlier opinion was all about. So grow up
FamilyRe: Children And Their Parent's unclothedness by obalola7: 2:53pm On Oct 31, 2012
Idi-Amin:
Need your opinion, me and my wife always disgree about something. It's nothing major, but she takes it too serious.

We have 3 kids. 7 year old boy, and twin girls, 4 years old. My wife has a problem that I do not hide my unclothedness from my kids. If I am urinating in the toilet, and my son wants to pee as well, he comes beside me and pees, and he will even joke and try to shoot my pee with his pee. I do not tell him to wait outside so that he does not see my manliness. Even if we are in the bedroom and I'm lotioning up and daughters run into the room, i do not hide and tell them to go outside so they do not see my manliness! Why should I do that? they are my children. My wife will tell them to go outside.

If we have no visitors at home, and Im taking a bath, I dont lock the bathroom door. My wife would come and say 'you need to lock the door, these children can come in' and I will be like 'So? they are my children'

she keeps telling me it's not proper in our culture, it is morally wrong and can cause disrespect, it does not happen in Nigeria, bla bla
I can understand where she is coming from. I stayed at home for 23 years and I can say I have never seen my father's manliness (or maybe I did as a small child and can't remember).

Is it wrong?
I think you are one of the people that are not worth of being a good role model as a father or leader of a house. First, looking from the above highlighted sentence, it appears that your parent taught you well, but you just decided to do injustice to your own kids. You are immorally wrong and indiscipline to abuse the children like that. You better grow up and stop acting like a high school boy
Christianity EtcRe: What Qualifies One To Be A Pastor? by obalola7:
Omo_Tier1: Maybe the second part of that statement qualifies what He meant. I.e, Paul was not an orator, though knowledgeable in Law, He was not a smooth talker like Jacob was renowned for!
Cunning is not being eloquent. Jacob is not known to be eloquent. Its like saying yahoo yahoo boyz are eloquent or deceptive people are eloquent. The act of deceiving people is more than just talk, it also involve some art, pretense like wearing your brothers cloth to take his blessing or making and serving your father the same food that your father wanted from your brother when he is blind to have him pray for you instead of your brother.

Please read those verses. How could you have been part of the pharisee, a lawyer and a politicians of the Jews and say you are not an Orator or can not talk eloquently. Its like saying American politicians are not eloquent.
There is hardly any American senator or house of rep member that is not eloquent and that does not mean they dont have champions among themselves.

So its the way you should look at the jewish or roman paliament at that time. We are not talking about Nigerians where you have politicians that can not read not to talk about talk eloquently.

I think you should be convince that it takes intellectual reasoning, accuracy and vocal eloquence to file an oral appeal such as what paul displayed in Acts 22 and 23. Also, remember that he was the most heard of all the apostle, writing almost 56% of the New Testament." But, Paul's writings outnumber them all- fourteen epistles in all. Add to that the works of the only Gentile writer of the Bible, Luke, a physician who traveled with Paul, who wrote the Gospel after his name and also the Book of Acts, and it becomes clear that Paul's work and writing dominates the New Testament- 56% of it's volume to be exact. And, if we examine the history of how the Bible came down to us, we find that the earliest cannon or official list of scripture, that of Marcion (ca 130 A.D.), excluded all others except Paul and Luke. Not until 367 A.D. was the cannon finally fixed by church council in the form we know it today." (Reference http://my.en.com/~anders/paul62ad.html)
Christianity EtcRe: What Qualifies One To Be A Pastor? by obalola7: 8:10pm On Oct 30, 2012
Joagbaje: every christian is qualified to preach Gods word. it doesnt have to be at the pupilt . there is a diffedence between ministring to the world ( siners) and ministring to the body of christ. we can all edify one.another and exhort one another' you musnt be a pastor to do that.



Preaching Gods word.and pastorate. are two diffrerent things. Leadership and preaching are two different things. to teach Gods word . you must have a deep hunger for knowledge and study. but pastoring is a responsibility and a calling. it can be by delegation too to a great extent. so we have two kinds of pastors. some are called and chosen by christ and some are given such responsibility . they dont necessarily have to recieve a special call by vision or voice.



God doesnt need human skill to use you in ministry. paul wasnt an eloquent speaker. infact he was a bad communicator. but its not a bad idea if a minister takes some lesson to polish himself anyway.

There is need for ministerial training but thus training is not like lecture. its a character training. it comes by service. when you serve an older minister, youre being trained. your attitude and.character are being dealt wirh. the preaching at the pulpit is the smallest part of.ministry. anybody can preach. the major training of a minister is. attitude ,character and in the holyghost. and also your oversight , how to have genuine care for people. ministry is responsibility. washing other peoples mess, so one shoukdnt be driven by the desire to mount.pulpit but desire to serve .

A man must have served in some lower capacity responsibility in a church and prove his faithfulness before he ascend to higher respinsibility
Please rephrase that comment in bold. Paul was the most eloquent and most read of all the apostles. Check Act 22, 23 and especially Act 23:6 : (6) But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

To be a Pharisee u must have read and among the Jewish elite. A better clarification will be his letter to the Corinthians 13. "(1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:1

So dont say that in public that Paul wasn't eloquent. You think its a joke to convince and write letter of appeal to Caesar and get jewish Authorization letter to arrest christian and also come back and serve God with the same zeal? If he was not eloquent, he would have been killed when he was addressing the elders of Jews for his defense.

If you read further, you could also ascribe to him as an eloquent lawyer: Philipians 13:1-10 "(4) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

(5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;"
ComputersRe: How To Speed Up A Slow Computer by obalola7: 2:45am On Oct 25, 2012
What if that does not work, Stopping all running program does not necessarily make your computer fast, especially if the ram has been due for replacement.
There are other reason why your computer could be slow, apart from multiple program running at the same time.

Your computer could be slow as a result of ram limitation, this some time might result to your computer crashed almost immediately if you try to open multiple windows at the same time.
Solution: Replaced the ram, before then check the computer specification and get to know the maximum size of ram you computer can work with at a time to avoid a blue screen if you replace it with a higher ram recommended for your computer. The best way to know is go =Control Panel-->System and security-->Security then you will see install memory ram, that will tell you what you currently have and what you are using. You can also get there if you are using Window Visa, 7 or 8 by just typing "system" on your start menu bar, then you double click system.


Window Defender:
Another things is if Window Defender could slow your computer down if you dont have it install. So install window defender


Anti Virus: [/b]You computer can become slow as a result of expired antivirus so if your antivirus is expired, you will either renew or download free antivirus here from Microsoft: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials

[b]
Firewall:
These also could after your computer so get your window firewall checked on your computer to enable you go to many website as possible. Remember every valid windows operating system has Firewall, all you need to do is activate it and some time it could slow your computer down in going to some website or downloading some program, at this time you will either uncheck or check it depending on your need.

Virus: Lastly if your computer is infected with any virus or worm, it could slow your computer down and no amount of unchecking current window start up running program can undo the changes. You will either have to reformat your computer or use a good anti virus detector and if your computer is seriously infected, you will have to do it on safe mode or load/boot onto the program directly so you can take effective control.
CelebritiesRe: AY Apologizes To Keke Ogungbe And D1 Over Grammy Awards Joke by obalola7: 8:38am On Oct 19, 2012
Wow interesting.... its so disheartening to see most of the commentators on this thread rendering ovation to AY letter, not because of the apology, but rather the inarticulate grammar not needed for an apology.
Apart from the fact that the grammars are so confusing, they are not needed when you are suppose to be writing a simple apologetic letter.

First a letter of apology must start with a sentence stating the apology at least in a line or 2 before explanation and then the conclusion buttress the apology.
Let Nigerians learn that you do not need grammar to communicate, it neither makes you smart or well trained... we can see from Obama and Romney debate.. though they only speak one language which is English, they never and would hardly abuse the English language with grammatical hypocrisy.
RomanceRe: Newly Wed - Share Your Experience Here by obalola7: 3:07am On Oct 18, 2012
It appears that either all of you that have commented positively on this thread are either lying, still in honeymoon mode, faking it, or those who will say the truth have averted from this page.
Marriage hmmmn the university of continuous learning till either death do u part or separation put asunder.
How easy is your tongue to live with your teeth despite the fact that they have been together for long?

Please lets hear from those that have serious issues and have successfully been able to mitigate them and now live happily or able to manage their differences;
not all that is pretending that marriage is like honey.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by obalola7: 8:10pm On Oct 13, 2012
Sirniyeh: Obalola, your question is cacochocoshious!
Have you read the history that Moses spoke to sea, the sea hearken and divided. Elijah spoke to fire and the fire hearken. How many pastors in Nigeria have ever done something relating to that? Kudos to TB Joshua and Oyakhilome, their secret is commanding the spirit. What your pastor can not do with 1000 days of prayer, bitter leaf can do it within minutes. So my son can not die because I know how to engage and commune with thin air to take control. It is a mystery.
Every dead people becomes ghost in the thin air, they therefore turn to minister for us. Depending on your spiritual frequency, they make friend with you ignorantly, and you can command them to ward off all manner of evil. It does not need ritual. Thats the secret
I smile. We are of opinions and many times they are different from each other. However, you are confusing things or it may be your level of reasoning or self assimilation.
However, i do not have a pastor nor do i submit to any pastor but the Almighty God. However, i think what you did was what people of old that you mentioned above (Moses and Elijah) call prayer and the power of authority.Remember this does not come by good will or soliloquizing rather by prayer and fasting. You had not spoken to any spirit or ask any dead body spirit to do anything for you.

You might indirectly be praying to the Almighty and the ever presence at all places showed compassion on your child. You might not believe it, because God is not a man that he should think like you or assume what you assume.
There are many that do not believe in God and God still rain and sun on them. He gives them air to breaths on and provide for their daily needs. For the miracle of your child, its not what you did that actually make any changes, it was the faith that you had. Just like the centurion that ask Jesus to command and Jesus did and at the same hour his son was healed.

So you could believe that you have spoken to spirit or angels, however, God does not need you to perform his miracles rather, he sometimes perform his duty as a God and you might not know, your son and your wife might at the same time whisper a little prayer to God and God harkened. No spirit is capable of healing your child if God has not given them the power to do so.

I think my explanation is sufficient for your above phrase.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Believe In Generational Curse by obalola7: 12:30pm On Oct 11, 2012
ayeakamara: www.nairaland.com/1055107/sad-story-life-wish-reverse
If the content of the link above is What you think you are curse on, i say NO, you just got it wrong.
I think there are mental and physical problems that you have. Apart from your physical ailment which God has help you cure, giving birth to children are your own mistakes.
A person with a dream must have challenges. You think the children of the rich dont have challenges too or their parents dont go through a lot. Yes they do.

However, hardship brings better disciplines not rust or indiscipline. Your problem is not Generational curse, rather its your act of indiscipline which has to do with your mental thinking, lack of advisers, and your inability to endure or control your self which relate to your physical problem.
Yet i understand where you are coming from. I know of a girl, while i was in Secondary School. I want to believe she is a house maid or she was brought from village to stay with her relatives, however, i observed that she is not social, and she would sometime urinate on herself if she sleep in class. My class mate would always laughed at her. I dont think she is intelligent, yet she did not fail, she is hardly seen with any friend. This girl graduated, although i can not say in fact her present status, but i saw here recently, but didnt say a word, she was looking ok.

In summary, i think what really affected you most was that your parents struggle and therefore could not instill discipline in you, if not there would have been no reason to dropout. Anyways, its past tense and lets talk about the current events. You have made mistakes and all you need to do is to pray to God to use those children as a tool to your greatness. Every challenge refines man and make a purpose driven man to get to his destination.
Your current situation is not a hard thing at all. If you treat those children right and their mother right, you will see that doors will open for you. Try your best to be responsible, if you dont have a job, try get one. Also, make sure you learn some (Trade)work, while you still put your future on a good track. Education is not always the solution to poverty, its good to have, but not a silver bullet. We have seen graduates dinning with poverty and we have seen illiterate, which you are not living in wealth.

Do not becloud yourself with so much negativity, they will hinder your progress. When you face challenges, call the mother of your children and the children and pray together. You will see that things will change. Try this for 3 months and if things does not change for you drop it. However, you must be discipline. Its not time to impregnate her again but to reconcile with her and have a roundtable prayer everyday and see how your way will prosper.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by obalola7: 7:05am On Oct 11, 2012
wiegraf: I came across some ideas I found interesting, oddly never crossed my mind I think. But knowledge for instance, if god created knowledge, then there was knowledge before god, so god was not knowledgeable. How did he know to create knowledge then?

So knowledge had to have existed separately. I would think this would apply even if god were eternal. Knowledge would have to have been something he discovered, not something it created. Almost chicken and egg. What do you think?
[quote author=wiegraf]I think you are contradicting yourself. If something create something then the thing does not exist and therefore the person who created the thing is the creator. Car did not exist until someone like Henry Ford think about the concept and created it. Will that say car was in existent somewhere? So knowledge couldn't have been in no where until it was created by God?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Created God Or How Did God Come Into Existence? by obalola7: 5:44am On Oct 11, 2012
Sirniyeh: What is conflict or war?
It's believed that a question asked creates an atmosphere for mental emancipation for those who are ready to renew their obsessed thinking patterns.
Conflicts arise when there is breach of law of nature. Spirits are orderly entities that are bound by the law of karma.
From my spiritual understanding, the air we breath is a mysterious paradise. All the dead people from the genesis of this earth are in the thin air. There is no heaven or hell elsewhere if we dont want to decieve ourselves. They all form ghosts in the thin air. Most of these ghosts sometimes get provoked at our utterances and characters and unleach wrath spiritual as nemesis that we mostly encounter physically.
That's why it's advisable to speak good always because the spirits aids our utterances to fruition.
There is nothing like devil or satan, it is human mind that originates the identity.
I remember four years ago, while I was going along the road, I vividly saw spirit, it also trekked but not in human form. It was a year later I experience vanishing into the thin air. When I vanished in thin air for days, I was made to understood the making of the life.

All those theological lies are human mind formation. All herbs have indwell spirits likewise individual. So, going to mountain to seek God or marathon prayers for miracles are nonsense. But if you can learn to relate with spirit well, you will benefit from them. My testimony is, my second child underwent surgical operation twice within three days, but on fourth day, the tommy swellup like six month pregnancy. The boy is at the point of death when doctor refered him to UCH Ibadan on imagency to the extent that the emergency motor collected N20,000. I was in PH when my wife called me. I just did what I used to do and I replied later that the boy will not die. Today, the boy is bouncing. He spent 8hrs in thearter but I was not disappointed. So dont let anybody use theology to decieve. Get acquinted with your spirit
I think i have some questions and comprehensive rebutter for you. However to make potent my rebutter I am interested in knowing What you did normally that makes you think your child will not die?
FamilyRe: Do Mothers-In-law Have A Say In Wedding Preparation? by obalola7:
conyema12: Hi guys I am about to prepare my wedding, but my mother-In-law wants to get into everything ranging from venue, to date and whom to invite.....na waah oh!
She wants to have everything done her own way. My fiance stands with me, but this woman seems to be a pin in the ass,

Please I need an advice on how to handle such issues
Man be very careful o. I pray you will never regret it.
The best way to deal with mother inlaws is with action not words. You words will be overturned on you and you will ever regret making those statement. Especially those mother inlaws with some small change or financially buoyant

Women especially mother inlaws in Nigeria are different from western world, where you call her bluff off and nothing happens. My advice is, call her and fight the battle like psychologically making her to reason with you.
Play diplomatically and ask her, mom your ideas is good, but what if we do it like this and when you are trying to make these changes, make sure that, her friends that she listen to is there. So you sell your idea to her friend like you her suggesting or this is what people did in such and such wedding and you think we can do the same thing.

Do not dictate or make your wish supersede her decision o. Mother inlaws can ruin your wedding and marriage faster than your wife could. So always give them their respect and distance yourself as possible especially if you see that she is not the woman that listen. Avoid her as much as possible and respect her, send her things and buy her what you think she will like but never make her think you are standing on your point, by so doing you will be standing on her way. I pray God guides you.
Christianity EtcRe: Do You Believe In Generational Curse by obalola7:
I almost skipped this topic, but i decided to see whats the content of the thread was and wow i am impressed with so much intelligent reasoning and with both biblical references and facts.

First i want to say from the beginning God placed curse on human kind after they eat the forbidden fruit. Genesis 3:16-19

Before i go farther i want us to examine two characters mainly in the bible.
First is Joseph and the second is Paul the Apostle.

Genesis 37: was where Joseph problem started, first for being loved by his father and his father shown it to him and his siblings. But verse 5 of chapter 37 said he was hated the more for telling his dream. Now the first badluck, which many in Nigeria will say its a curse materialization started from verse 18 of the same chapter 37 when his brother saw him and desire to slay him.

We all know what happened, he was sold in verse 28 and the suffering continue, But chapter 39 said he Potiphar bought him. Genesis 39, Verse 2 said and the lord was with Joseph. For joseph, he would have easily agreed with himself that his dream is working or things has began to normalized since he is now residing in the house of one of the opulence egyptians. But he soon see a shocker when he was thrown to jail, but it was God's plan, at this time Joseph will agree with many Nigerians that he is definitely curse indeed. Not when things are beginning to normalized he is now thrown in jail Genesis 39 v20. My friend what you are seeing is evidence that your problem is about to end. A new beginning is on your way, just trust God.

The Dream will materialized!


Genesis 40 the butler interpretation and joseph plead that he should remember him. It is very difficult for anybody to remember anyone except God himself remembers you. Genesis 41:1 proves it. The king dreamt a dream.

There are many nights, where Joseph would have thought it was over, where he could easily say its generational curse, but as God promise to cain (Genesis 4:13-15) after the curse,"13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
and we can see that in verse 17 of Genesis 4, Cain gave birth to one of the greatest man(Enoch) in the bible. 17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Joseph was protected not prevented from all challenges.

The second Character: Paul

Lets look at Paul the Apostle, remember he was part of the most successful and most progressive Jews. He was a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee, meaning he was part of the elite (Act 23:26) His first major problem in life as recorded in the bible was his blindness (Act 9:3-9). Apart from escaping turbulent storm on the sea, he was also bitten by snake (Act 28: 3-5) The men there said he must be a murderer, if the man was a Nigerian, he would use the proper word"He has been cursed and the people following him from his village are yet to leave him alone" But instead of him dying he was healing a sick man in Verse 8 of Act 28.

I know its a long read already and i don't want to waste time. What i can easily tell you is that every problem you are facing might not necessary be a curse that degenerated from your fore father or great grandparents, however, it might also be combination of both or the original curse from God. Whichever one, you can break it if you pray like Cain to God: Genesis 4:15, however, remember that, that should not becloud your thought.

People whom God blesses too faces challenges, remember Abraham Genesis 12:1-3, Just as Abraham was following God's instruction in getting out of his country, Pharaoh seized Abraham's wife, it took God's intervention (Genesis 12:17-20).

There are many in the bible that were blessed, but faced challenges, remember there is hardly any similarities in their challenges. Its all different. Your own challenges are what you are facing, you will need the wisdom of God such as it was given to solomon to overcome your challenges. Pray for divine wisdom to face your challenges, just like Paul the Apostle did (2 Conrinthians 12:8-11) when he prayed about a particular problem, God told him His grace was sufficient for him. I pray that God grace will be sufficient for you, because His grace will give you the courage and winning power.

My brother i will admonish you to take courage and do like Paul : (Roman 8:35, 37-9) That no matter what happens you will learn to trust God.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Am Tired Of Life by obalola7: 4:18pm On Oct 08, 2012
your life look like the following scenario
we are all heading to to a destination and traveling on a highway.
There are so many people on this high way with different challenges, for instance,
some had their engine knocked; some had accident;some are currently having a smooth drive;
some had a flat tires; some have to get gas and some had gotten gas already.

Remember at each stage u either see one of the people above. Those that had their engine knocked are crying for help and looking and waiting for (God)mechanic.
those with flat tires.. could do it themselves cos it cost them no extra skills.. so they got out fixing their tires,but remember there are some who had no extra tires, they will either have to wait for people coming to bring them extra tires or walk several distance to where they sell tires.

While the other that had accident have ended the race so they mourn and whale in pains
they will never run that race again and had no opportunity to praise or thank God. But the other filling the tank is about to start going and would get to the destination, but remember he has just experience a temporary delay.

There is another that has filled up his tank long before time and was driving courageously like a champion.. no body knows if he will get there safely without experiencing one of this ills.

But by the grace of God you will get to ur destination even before many of these guys fast riding and far gone in Jesus Name.
You will see them on the road side and all u could do is pray for them.

However, you might might currently have ur car engine knocked now...
But i tell u.. ur mechanic (The Almighty)just started working and he is about to bring u a brand new engine. God is the mechanic. He will renew your strength; you will mount up with wing as eagles; you will run and not weary and walk and not fait (Isaiah 40:31)

So relax, let God do the job; let him fix your tomorrow for a successful trip to your destination.

Be blessed.
Christianity EtcRe: Too All Christ Embassy Members Please Read by obalola7: 4:55am On Oct 07, 2012
Deeicash: Hello,
There have been some speculation about the "Man of God" Pastor Chris Oyakhilome about his authenticity. Many are afraid to speak out even if they are discontented and many are uncertain because of the supposed wisdom he ministers with. I employ you to take this poll, answer these 5 questions earnestly in your heart and give a feed back whether your answers are "YES" or "NO".

1. Has your life gradually become tougher, worse off or more financially deprived since you began to attend Christ embassy?
Have you found it difficult to make progress or suffer a terrible loss in something that ought to have improved your life?

2. Have you been led, coarse to give financially but never seem to receive a harvest, no matter how much you gave?

3. Have you found it difficult or even impossible to get married or you are married and your marriage has been terribly strained since you began attending Christ Embassy?

4. Have you found it more difficult to study the Bible for yourself and learn the Word of God by yourself other than what you heard in church?

5. Does it seem as though God does not hear you when you pray and no changes in you life no matter how much you pray or cry?

[b][/b]If you answer "YES" to 3 or more questions, please give a feed back with your answer "Yes" and if your answer is "NO" to 3 or more questions, please give a feed back with your answer. Thank you
I think the poster of this thread should fist answer the questions.
It is apparent that the poster has 5 "Yes" to the above questions and i want to believe that what he said might be right.
The reason is, i have a friend whose life could be described by the above questions on the "Yes" to all
Why i do not intend to comment on the doctrine of Christ Embassy or the host, i think many of the members including my friend are brain washed and not only to the Christ embassy church but to many Churches. They put God in their pocket and brain shelve their bible when they hear their pastors speak
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Height Of Desperation!! by obalola7: 12:48am On Sep 02, 2012
I guess its not only in Nigeria there is unemployment.. check this desperation attempt in Ohio U.S out:

Unemployment in Ohio sits at more than seven per cent and one man is taking a bit of an unconventional approach to helping his wife find a job.

Holly Stuart lost her job at the University of Toledo due to budget cuts a year ago and hasn't been able to land anything since. So her husband Brandon decided to help out and purchased a billboard to advertise her services.

[ More Daily Buzz: Man almost dies when mailing himself to girlfriend ]

"I know she's trying extremely hard, no one prepares like she does," Brandon told Toledo News Now. "It's difficult to watch so I feel like this probably the best I could come up with to help her out."

It reads "Please Hire My Wife" in big letters and lists her Yahoo! email address, her education, experience and a photo.

"Over the last five or six months, she's had a few opportunities come along that we thought looked really positive and unfortunately they just didn't work out," said Brandon to Toledo News Now. "I felt a sense of, she was getting a little frustrated, but not losing hope. But I wanted to do something maybe help lift her spirits if nothing else."

He didn't ask for her permission because if he did it probably wouldn't have happened.

"I think I definitely would have said no. I would have thought it would have been too embarrassing to have my face up on a billboard but, now I'm having fun with it and hopefully a good opportunity will come out of it," said Holly to the outlet.

[ More Daily Buzz: Missing woman joins search party for herself ]

Brandon isn't the first person to try this approach. In April, a young man from Minnesota shelled out $300 to put his face and the words "Hire Me" as well as his website on a billboard. Bennett Olson only paid for 24 hours and it rotated with other ads, but it appeared to pay off. The Daily Mail reported in May he had a number of interviews and took a job with a 3D scanning company.

Vincent Giordano doesn't buy space on a giant billboard, but he stands on the streets of New York City in a suit every day from Monday to Friday holding a sign that reads "Hire Me."

Doing something different, even if it was by accident worked out for Canadian Vanessa Hojda. She was the woman who accidentally sent a photo of a psychotic-looking Nicolas Cage to a potential employer at York University. She didn't get that job, but she did receive two job offers though Facebook.

As for the Stuarts, Brandon is paying about $700 to have the billboard up for a week and while according to Toledo News Now they hadn't received any hits in the first few days, he still hopes it'll be worth it.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/husband-buys-billboard-help-wife-job-165217755.html

EducationRe: London Metropolitan University Visa Licence Revoked by obalola7(op): 11:40am On Aug 30, 2012
EducationLondon Metropolitan University Visa Licence Revoked by obalola7(op): 11:38am On Aug 30, 2012
More than 2,000 students potentially face deportation after a London university had its licence to teach and recruit overseas students revoked.

London Metropolitan University has had its right to sponsor students from outside the EU revoked, and will no longer be allowed to authorise visas.

Ministers say the university is not tracking course attendance and that many students have no right to be here.

A task force has been set up to help students affected by the decision.

It means that some 2,000 overseas, non-EU, students have 60 days to find an alternative institution to sponsor them or face deportation.

Announcing the move on Wednesday night, the UK Border Agency said London Metropolitan University had "failed to address serious and systemic failings" identified six months ago.

The Higher Education Funding Council for England said it was an "unprecedented situation which relates only to London Metropolitan University" - which has a total of 30,000 students.

It added: "It will not affect existing or future international students at other universities. No other UK university has had its licence to sponsor international students revoked, and UKBA's decision does not in any way reflect concern about licensing arrangements at other universities in the UK."

'Panic and heartbreak'

The university's Highly Trusted Status (HTS) was suspended last month while the UKBA examined alleged failing, preventing it from being allowed to recruit overseas students.

Immigration Minister Damian Green said London Metropolitan University had failed in three particular areas:

More than a quarter of the 101 students sampled were studying at the university when they had no leave to remain in this country
A "significant proportion" of checked files found "no proper evidence" that the mandatory English levels had been reached
Universities must know that students are turning up for their course and are not using a student visa to enter the country for work, but more than half of the records sampled suggested the university "just didn't know" whether students were turning up for classes or not.

Case study

London Met student Lorynn Conklin, from Fresno, California, says: "I have no idea what I'm going to do now, I'm freaking out.

"I'm a single mum and I had lost my job - which is one reason why I decided to go back into education. I've sold my car and I'm living on a couch in my mother's place. I don't have health insurance because I was planning on starting the course in the UK.

"I will be out of thousands of dollars because of this. I have already shipped my furniture and now have to pay to ship it back.

"I only have weeks to find a place to live for me and my son, find a new school and basically start all over again."

A statement posted on the university's website on Wednesday read the implications of the revocation are "hugely significant and far-reaching".

"Our absolute priority is to our students, both current and prospective, and the university will meet all its obligations to them."

It added it had already started to work with the UKBA, Hefce, the NUS and its own students' union to tackle the issues.

Although there have been other suspensions, no other UK university has been fully stripped of its ability to recruit overseas students.

The NUS has contacted Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Theresa May to "express anger at the way that decisions have been made in recent weeks and to reiterate the potentially catastrophic effects on higher education as a £12.5bn per year export industry for the UK".

NUS president Liam Burns said: "This decision will create panic and potential heartbreak for students not just at London Met but also all around the country.

"This heavy-handed decision makes no sense for students, no sense for institutions and no sense for the country. This situation and the botched process by which the decision was arrived at could be avoided if international students were not included in statistics of permanent migrants."

Mr Burns added the decision could have been limited to future students rather than covering existing ones.

'Last resort'

But the UKBA said allowing London Metropolitan University to continue to sponsor and teach international students "was not an option".

It said it had been working with the university since it identified failings six months ago.

It added: "These are problems with one university, not the whole sector. British universities are among the best in the world - and Britain remains a top-class destination for top-class international students.

"We are doing everything possible, working with Universities UK, to assist genuine students that have been affected."

Universities Minister David Willetts has announced a task force to help overseas students affected by the decision, which will include UKBA and the NUS.

He said: "It is important that genuine students who are affected through no fault of their own are offered prompt advice and help, including, if necessary, with finding other institutions at which to finish their studies."

But Universities UK President Professor Eric Thomas said there were alternative ways of addressing UKBA's concerns and that the "revocation of a university's licence should only be a decision of last resort".

It added that the move would cause anxiety and distress to many legitimate international students.

University and College Union warned that the move would have an impact on future recruitment of foreign students.

Its general secretary Sally Hunt said: "No matter how this is dressed up, the damaging message that the UK deports foreign students studying at UK universities will reach all corners of the globe."

Christianity EtcRe: Romans-11 Vs 25 And 2-Thessalonians 2 Vs 3 by obalola7: 7:57am On Aug 29, 2012
Omo_Tier1: God bless you, well schooled by Gods Spirit.
Thank you so much and God bless you richly, i hope we can continue to grow doing the things of God
Christianity EtcRe: Romans-11 Vs 25 And 2-Thessalonians 2 Vs 3 by obalola7: 7:08am On Aug 26, 2012
obadiah777: Bible Gurus: Can You Break Down Romans 11 Vs 25 And 2 Thessalonians 2 Vs 3


Romans 11 Vs 25



2 Thessalonians 2 Vs 3


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Question 1
Romans 11 Vs 25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

Answer

The bible makes us to understand that the gospel at first was for the Israelite(Romans 1:16) and they have decided not to accept it in the hope that Jesus was not the messiah and that they are expecting a messiah that will rather come not in the flesh as a man but in form of a spirit that is not born of man. So Paul is telling the gentiles that I hope that they are not ignorant of the fact that of this mystery: that the purpose of Jesus coming to the world was at first for the Israelite and now the gospel has now been extended to the gentiles (non Israelites: Act 10:28) so that they don’t pretend to be smart that they don’t know about the fact the Israel is blind towards accepting the gospel of Christ until the gentiles are fully proclaiming the gospel of Christ.

Reference

Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Act 10: 28: And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.



Question 2
2 Thessalonians 2 Vs 3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


Answer

Paul was telling the gentiles not to be deceived by anyone telling them that the day of rapture will not come or Jesus is not coming back one day. Except in a circumstances where all believer (falling away)backslides or apostasy from the gospel of Christ(Rev.13.cool and there is no one to rapture and the entire church become colonized (Rev.13 v7)by the anti Christ the satan, devil known as the man of sin which will be revealed face to face during the time of anti Christ(when the world come to an end).

If you read verse 4 of 2 Thessalonians 2 vs 4 “4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”(King James Version) you will see that it referenced with Revelation 13:5,6
I will recommend reading the entire Revelation 13

Reference
Revelation 13:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Are There Still Jobs In Nigeria? by obalola7: 3:56pm On Aug 25, 2012
I think whats is needed is a brain that can think
Some time i wonder how nigeria graduate go above and beyond to generate 500k or more to get a visa to a foreign land where there is no job.
whereas, you can create job for yourself. I was reading an article:

1. I quit my job to pick up Farming – Ayodele Babatunde
http://iafricash.com/i-quit-my-job-to-pick-up-farming-says-ceo-frenzy-living-creatures/

2. FUNBEEB EVENTS MANAGEMENT AND INSTITUTE; BLAZING THE TRAIL IN NIGERIA
http://iafricash.com/funbeeb-events-management-and-institute-blazing-the-trail-in-nigeria/

3. I SOLD CHARCOAL AND FIREWOOD IN MY DREAM – Egunjobi
http://iafricash.com/i-sold-charcoal-and-firewood-in-my-dream-egunjobi/


These are possible things that many graduate can do. If you have less capital, graduates can combine capital and work together to achieve their goal.
All you need to start blazing is little money, determination and dedication with committed partners if you have one.

No government will create job for any graduate when they can steal the money for their generation unborn
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Apostolic Faith Church So Quiet Among The Pentecostal Churches? by obalola7(op): 3:17pm On Aug 24, 2012
Kirinwa: PENTECOSTAL NOT PENTEcOSTAL
that should not be ur problem since you understand whats being said. coming here to act like one efiko or what?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Apostolic Faith Church So Quiet Among The Pentecostal Churches? by obalola7(op): 1:47pm On Aug 22, 2012
chukwudi44: I can tell you that even without the media hype.The apostolic church still has more visibility than the likes of winners and christ embassy
@ chuk

Please be reminded that i am talking about Apostolic Faith Church not Apostolic Church or The Apostolic Church.

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