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In the days of the old and new testament, scrolls were used. I guess we have "sinned" by moving from that to hard copies of the bibles and now virtual copies on tablets/smart phones

[quote author=ShyM-X]Even if it's a stopgap, we should at least have other air crafts, even if it's the Su-24s. Nigeria is just too big and too rich to be operating just alpha jets and J-7. Heck, before the UK received the Eurofighter Typhoon - Panavia Tornado F3 was the stopgap.

Anyway, I added Chinook because I don't think there's any other helicopter better than Chinook when it comes to heavy-lift support. And the SA rooikat is impressive for being in the same discussion as both Apache and Mi-24, for an African country.[/quote]And don't look down on the Alpha jet. It may be old, but it sure packs a punch and served us extremely well, especially during the Liberian and Serre Leonean Civil war where NAF Alpha jets carried out multiple CAS sorties against the NPLF and RUF respectively. Besides, you see much better countries lik Colombia and the Phillipines use the much older OV-10 Bronco aircraft in their drug-wars and COIN ops, and no one complains. Hell, even the US military Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) are currently crrying out flight tests on these old Vietnam era planes with the aim of including them in their inventory.

However, I do have some issues with the Alpha jet. 'though capavle, it is still a light attack aircrafts and can't carry much armaments/weapons payload (NAF Didi try to address this by adding additional weapons pylons to our upgraded fleet). The fire control computer during the Sierre-Leonean civil war were equally behind, forcing our NAF pilots to adopt dive bombing techniques, thus exposing them to AA flaks. But we prevailed thanks to the skills and daring nature of the pilots (aka Dudu boys). And finally, I'm not sure NAF has integrated precision weapons into this aircraft, 'though I may be wrong about that.

[quote author=ShyM-X]Even if it's a stopgap, we should at least have other air crafts, even if it's the Su-24s. Nigeria is just too big and too rich to be operating just alpha jets and J-7. Heck, before the UK received the Eurofighter Typhoon - Panavia Tornado F3 was the stopgap.

Anyway, I added Chinook because I don't think there's any other helicopter better than Chinook when it comes to heavy-lift support. And the SA rooikat is impressive for being in the same discussion as both Apache and Mi-24, for an African country.[/quote]Oh please, the Mi-17v Terminator will do just that (carry extra payload and troops) and some more (serve as a very capable gunship). And it is cheap, very easy to maintain, and a darn rugged utility helo. It's just not sexy looking like the UH-60 blackhawk or the Chinook. I'll equally choose the European EH-101 Merlin and the hi-tech NH-101 utility helos. Don't get me wrong though, I like the Chinook .

[quote author=ShyM-X]The variation of the F-7 that China has is different from the ones they sold to Nigeria. And China probably has more than 500 of those jets. That's the chinese military doctrine - mass production at a cheaper cost to protect homeland. The Chinese F-7s are for defense - just something to scramble if there's any threat. And they're integrated with the air defense units.

MI-35P is on the same level as Apache and a lot of countries have them in their inventory - nothing special. Suuth Africa produces its own attack helicopters and they're one of the best in the world. So why would they need mi24s? Shyte, Algeria and Egypt have Chinook.

What anti-submarine capabilities? You mean the French exocet rockets that everyone can now figure out? Well, all the francophone countries Africa also have those rockets - nothing special.

Those ships are just there to gulp your money. And there are rules attached to how you can use them. They're basically a waste of time, to be honest. Just good for patrol. [/quote]First of all, I'm no fan of the chinese F-7, but we aqcuired a much later version with better avionics suit and a cranked delta wing that improves its performance and combat radius. It may not be ideal, but it's a reasonable stopgap till we get something better.

And pls don't put the Apache in the same class as the Mi-24 Hind and other variants. Don't get me wrong, the AH-64 isba high-tech beast of war, but it is damn too maintenance intensive. The Mi-24 on the other hand is a true war monster. Heavily armed and armoured, this beast will outrun and outshoot the Apache. And it is so rugged, it canrun on PMS. And guesswhat? It can equally serve as a utility helo, carrying 7 heavily armed soldiers, or, wait for it.........MORE AMMO!! If the South African Rooikat was better, how come the Hind outsold it? Oh, and since when was the lumbering Chinook an attack helicopter?


Oh one more thing. The Nigerian Navy already had the French Exocet missiles in its inventory since the 1980s.

solomon111: Not in all cases.
The SU-30 was made to counter the threat of F-18s and it cost far less.
The russians currently have SU-37 or something to counter the F-35,and i am sure the difference in price will be astronomical with little or no difference in capabilities.

The Su-27 and subsequent variants (Su-30/35,etc) were designed to counter the deadly American F-15 Eagle, not the USN/USMC F-18 Hornet.

The Su-

juman: Hiss. Useless country.

Mtchew. Useless Man.

[quote author=Ms_Steph]Lagos is not expensive. But if its abuja or ph it is too small especially wen it comes to accommodation. But since d 130k comes in monthly its very ok. Pple get 20k monthly but still survive[/quote]I'm afraid I disagree on the part that PHc is more expensive than Lagos. On cost of accomodation alone, the rent costs you get in places on the Lagos mainland that I consider 3rd rate is so expensive I dare not think of it (500k +). And the Island?.....heh..well. But in PHC, you can still get a pretty good flat in a decent area (GRA inclusive) at a decent price (300k +).

Abuja is a totally diffferent story.

Abagworo: Little do these people know that if Soyinka calls for a mass action and demands for Jonathan to step down for his role in the various bombings, oil bunkering, subsidy fraud and Rivers State crisis, this regime will end.

Tell him to go ahead nah. Let's see how it works. Here's my prediction though: it will start and end in Lagos, just like the fuel subsidy protest were everyone ran off when the army was called in.

mrakin: I am not happy with some of the comments here. Anyway, those are opinions.
In the first place, nobody voted for the first lady. She therefore has no right to disturb the peace of ordinary citizens for ten days. There are ways she can conduct state visits without heavy fun-fair of security and road closure/barricade. UK's PM often walks from home to office without disturbing the public.
All those talking back at prof are not sincerely speaking the truth about how things should be done. They should look for respectable elders in their families who will not compromise the truth.

Care to explain how PEJ disturbs the peace? And please back up your claims with facts/proof. Thank you.

[quote author=My_Time]Pygru I can see you are PEJ's attorney.... Keep it up but the truth must be told. Her excesses need to be checked. She is not the first "First Lady" of Nigeria. Tell PEJ that insulting and humiliating a governor in the presence of his people/ subjects is not the way to show "self acclaimed" superiority (Okrika incident). Just one of the points being pointed out by Soyinka out of hundreds. Enjoy Pygru in your defence.[/quote]Oh please!! Wasn't she strongly cautioned/castigated by the President after that incident?

jusRadical: The latest AK12 that is undergoing testing presently for the Russian army is a derivative of the AK47.

Do a little research.

The Russians already replaced the A-47 with the AK-101. It is already in use and has seen combat in Chechnya, Dagestan, and Georgia during the last Georgian-Russian. War that saw AK-101 equipped Russian soldiers bitch-slap and trash American+Isreali trained Georgian soldiers equipped with M-4 rifles 6-ways-to-Sunday. Oh, did I mention that the Russian Army Division involved was a 3rd-rate division?

Crassus: I really dont have time for Dunce like you.


http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA046961

that is a link that has the real test result between Ak47 M14 and AR-15
MUMU!

Due, you really want to compare the AK-47, the world's cheapest and most reliable rifle, to the AR-15, a rifle that jams most of the time?! Really?! Dude, if you had at least mentioned the German HK G-36 or the HK-417, that wouldve have been reasonable.

Let's face it, the AK-47 floors most (if not all assault rifles) in reliability (a KEY requirement in battle), cost, and maybe calibre (it fires the bigger 7.62mm round instead of the usual 5.56 Nato rounds). On the downside, it is slightly heavier than the M-4 rifle cos of its use of wooden furniture and steel, instead of the composite polymer used by modern assault rifle. It's accuracy is also average due to the design of the rifle stock/butt and the firing mechanism that causes the barrel to wobble at high speeds. And it is quite old. 'still, that rifle is renowned world wide and is one reasoned it was copied by the Isrealis for their Galil Assault Rfle, the South Aricans for the R4 rifle, the Finnish Valmet, Serbian Zatzava, Chinese Type 56 and Type 56-2 rifles, and a host of others.

That said, I do agree on the need to replqce these bare OBJ-006 rifles with more modern and modified rifles manufactured using a mix of steel and polymer. To reduce weight, and equipped with pistol grips and optics for accuracy.

Symphony007: We are very opinionated people so no matter how much arguement is made, we will never change each other's view, so i belive and will continue to belive that it is a disgrace for a civilian who gained his commander in chief title by election or appiontment to wear uniform meant for men who who gave their today for their country's tomorrow. And yes according to sen. Storm thurman, any country that does that is a banana republic, including canda. Holla!!

Did you just label Canada a banana republic?........wow.....just..wow...house, I officially wish to nominate the quoted post for the DUMBARSE AWARD FOR THE WEEK. Thank you..

Even if this report is true, then I must commend the army for taking a more neutral stance in this whole mess, unlike the Police FPU officers (blue berets) and SSS Close protection detail agents involved in this whoke fracas.

Garri the 1st: GEJ is a disgrace to the office of the presidency. His greed for power will see him destroy the Nation and spill the blood of Nigerians.

1. Destroying the North by sponsoring Boko Haram and later sending in soldiers to finish what his BH people started.

2. Arming and financing ND militants.

3. Attempting to bring BH to SW.

4. Arming OPC and other secret cults.

5. Sending thugs and murderers to destabilize Rivers state...


And the list goes on...

You sure sound like a broken record.

jt2010: Maybe not in Lagos and some states, but in Niger Delta, na the norms'. Or did you think it is better and right to attached such soldiers to construction and oil companies abi!!!

Maybe during the ND insurgency. But not now. Ideally, soldiers are not to be deployed to any Govt. House. At PHC , that role was initially reserved (and still is) for the NPF's CTU and MOPOL detachments there. Besides, I have NEVER seen ANY army APC Deployed within the grounds of the Rivers State Government House, ONLY Police MRAPs and APCs. So you'll pardon me if I don't swallow this SR report hook line and sinker.

playmode: [size=15pt][b]I did not want to post any any comment here but i feel i need to educate these GEJ lapdogs who see nothing wrong with the way Jonathan was treated.

First off the protocol for receiving Presidents in all countries is that he must be welcomed by a top ranking Minister ,a Prime Minister or a President.

The visiting President must also be welcomed by cultural dancers or performers and he must inspect the guard of honor.

That is the standing protocol for receiving presidents all over the world.

Now let us look at what has transpired in China.From the little we know GEJ was received by an ASSISTANT MINISTER of CHINA.That is very wrong,he should have been received by the minister of Foreign Affairs.

Due to that break in protocol there was no Guard of honor available because as an assistant can not oversee and present a guard of Honor.

GEK was left to his own devises for 24hours as if was a mere tourist visiting china.

Today the President of China now deemed it fit to welcome him with a guard of honor lined up INSIDE A HALL !

THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!

It is apparent that the leaders of china have better things to do than to respectfully welcome Jonathan properly at the Airport.If this does not worry GEJ supporters then you are not a real GEJ supporter.

I am not a fan of GEJ but i am furious at the way they treated GEJ. If i were GEJ i would have just turned around and flown back to Nigeria. Obasanjo would not have tolerated this nonsense from this silly chinco people. [/b][/size]

Your long epistle clearly doesn't help your case or the other ignoramus on this thread. The formal reception of. EVERY visiting world leader by the Chinese president or Premiere is ALWAYS performed at the same great Hall

elampiro: Which post are you replying to? Who is talking about debt here. Stop trying to derail issues.

Did we hear Americans complain of Obama being received by a minister in a third world country?

You do know that your post makes no sense at all as you're just blabbing, right?

Hmmm....I can see that most of the NURTW e-thugs and A.C.N lapdogs are out in full force over a flimsy story....'must be a slow day at their respective motor parks.

Abagworo: The policeman only tried to separate.

How do you sepRate someone by kicking and punching him with the help of 2 DSS/SSS agents?

Abagworo: Rubbish! The FG wants to create another crisis in Rivers State. They should leave us to live in peace. We don't want militancy or Boko Haram here.

Please leave the FG out of that mess.

Aim sorry, but the accused cop is a BLATANT LIAR. Does he think anyone will buy that story. The safety lever for the standard issue Type 56-2 rifle is pretty OK, and trigger discipline is a must for cops and soldiers. So how does a cop "mistakenly" push the lever down once (semi-auto) or twice (auto), place his trigger finger on the trigger instead of across the trigger guard, "mistakenly" aim the rifle, and open fire?

I say, let that fool be tried for murder.

Symphony007: the british monarch is commander in chief and is entitled to wear a military uniform because all british monarchs served in the army. You don't see the prime minister wearing military uniform.

Good Lord........this post calls for a triple face palm...who is the C-in-C of the Nigerian Armed Forces? Dude, seriously, stop posting.....for your sake.

niggi4life: It is only in Nigeria i know that the civilian president wears a military uniform, Even none of the Civilian presidents of the United States wore a military uniform, i don't know where we always get our own ideologies from.

This is the FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA NOT the USA. Different countries, different traditions.

Symphony007: Does'nt mr president have advisers. Were did he get this crazy idea of wearing military uniform in a democracy? A civilian commander in chief in civilain clothes being saluted and giving orders to the unifromed military is central in our constitution. He is not even an ex-service man like obj. Did yar adua ever wear military atire? Even north korea with all it's propagandar, the kims never wear miltary atire.

Oh please zip it!! Eeryone knows it's just ceremonial. Besides, he is the C-in-C of the Nigerian Armed forces. When the Queen of England, or the Governor-general of Canada wears a military uniform, you don't see anyone complain. So please take your butt-hurt whining somewhere else.

ogugua88: It's true. There's nothing new in dying. However, there's a problem with our people dropping dead at young ages. Nigerians are lucky to live past 65 years old, and to me, that's when someone should be done with work and enjoying his or her remaining time on earth. So, you're right. Death is here to stay, but dying young shouldn't be the norm.

Possible complications from high BP, the silent killer?

Acidosis: Have you ever been to Kano?

Are you aware Kano is the second largest state in terms of commercial activity within Nigeria and the second most populous state in the country ? (check wiki)

Do you know Kano & Lagos are competing in terms of population?

Are you aware people troop in to that city like pure water for trade, business and investment?

Are you aware we have a standard football pitch in Kano state where footballers all over the world troop in until recently (crisis and all) ?

Are you aware Kano state governor is sending his people in hundreds on a daily basis for scholarships right from that Kano airport to any country you can think of in the world?

Do you know foreign investments and investors are all over the city?

Hope you know people who troop in to Kano just to order cars are more than those going to Lagos and Cotonou put together? Everything in Kano is relatively cheap!

Hope you know Kano state is the "Centre of Commerce"

Are you aware there are over 70 Hotels in the city- Kano? (not state).

I don tire for my west, south people o...

My dear, don't limit yourself to nairaland cos if you do, you'll not know anything aside Fashola, and maybe Amaechi and ACN..

Even if you can't travel to places, spread your horizon!!

Gbam! Well said.

Go for the paid job first. It is an apprenticeship period where you get to learn a skill or two that will be useful when you decide to run your own business. Equally use that oppourtunity to identify oppourtunities of value, their risks. Equally perform a swot anaylisis on these plans and draw up a good business plan. When you're ready, establish your business.

But i'll say this though: there's absolutely nothing as good as running your own business.

Eko Ile: Are you a comedian...

Are you a learner...

Eko Ile: And what giant strides are the folks you mentioned making?

When was the last time they commissioned anything?


What major and visionary projects do they have going on?


Put your money where your mouth is....

AKWA IBOM
Ibom International Airport: Check. 2nd Phase ongoing.
Ibaka Seaport: Planning phase check.

So basically, you're about to undertake projects we've already executed. Welcome to the club though

Mr McJay: Phool, can't you see that it is LASG first, then FG, then NPA, then Private investors? I guess, you're one of those 'special' but not gifted people, so you'll need a picture to help your brain process the details properly. Check the pics of the commissioning of Eko Atlantic City, you'll see GEJ put in his place.

Unfortunately, he won't be commisioning this one cos in 4 years time, GEJ will be taking hypertension drugs in Kirikiri.

Care to explain how GEJ was "put in his place" during that launch?

This is nothing but total BULLSHYTE. Who gave the judiciary the freaking right to overturn the appointment of the service chiefs? That is the sole responsibility of the President and C-in-C of the Nigerian Armed Forces who the aforementioned service chiefs report to, NOT the Legislative or Judicial arms of govt. I urge the president to ignore the court's ruling.