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|Politics / Re: How Nigeria's Kings Lost Their Power - BBC by OgboAto: 1:47pm On Mar 22|
Oladosu is in UI, he is a full professor & presently the dean of the Faculty of Arts.
Olutayo is in UI & a full professor.
|Politics / Re: How Nigeria's Kings Lost Their Power - BBC by OgboAto: 1:46pm On Mar 22|
|Culture / Re: Who Is Superior Between Alaafin Of Oya And Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 6:49am On Mar 18|
Alaafin a son to the Ooni is not greater than the his father, the Ooni.
|Culture / Re: Who Is Superior Between Alaafin Of Oya And Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 10:50pm On Mar 17|
You should read books & stop talking glib. Alaafin conquered west towards Dahomey axis not East. Ife, Ekiti, Ijesa, Ijebu & later Egba were not part of Oyo empire. In fact, Oyo and these towns made a pact to protect Ife from any attack or occupation.
1. Oyo was under Owu. Olowu is superior to Alaafin then?
2. Borgu conquered Oyo. King of Bariba is superior to Alaafin then?
3. Tiv conquered Oyo. Tapa King is superior to Alaafin.
4. Ilorin conquered, annexed Oyo & controlled Oyo kings. Ilorin king is superior to Oyo.
5. Ibadan forcefully took Oyo territories, forcefully took post of Bashorun, forcefully took Aare Ona Kakanfo despite Alaafin having people in the office. Olubadan is greater than Alaafin?
If Ife/Ooni/Oduduwa is the progenitor of Yoruba race then how is Alaafin greater than his progenitor? Are you equals or superior to your Dad?
|Celebrities / Re: Zubby Michael: AMVCA Is Organized By Yoruba, It's Fake Award, Political by OgboAto: 9:19pm On Mar 17|
|Culture / Re: Who Is Superior Between Alaafin Of Oya And Ooni Of Ife by OgboAto: 8:10pm On Mar 17|
Can a child claim to be the head or equals to his father or mother? No matter how wealthy or prominent a child might become, the father/mother remains their head & superior. I do not think Otedola, Adenuga, Obasanjo, Danjuma, Bill Gates, Coscharis, Elumelu & such can claim to be their father/mother's equals or superior. If not, then Alaafin is not equals with or superior to the Ooni. In the structure of things, the Alaafin is inferior to Oba Bini even, Alaafin is the youngest/last.
Everyone seems stuck on Oyo's military exploits while forgetting this present Oyo is a town of those conquered in Oyo ile that long lost its military medals. This present Oyo was founded by one person, Alaafin Abiodun. It was not founded with the involvement of the other ruling houses & nobles of old Oyo. It was just one person replicating a town from the time past - Old Oyo & Ago Di Oyo are not the same. It is like saying the 13 colonies of New England & actual England were the same or that the Orile Owu in Osun state is the same as Owu or that Oke Igbo is the same as Ile-Ife. The debate should be who the superior or equals are between Alaafin; the king of Kishi & the king of Igboho because both latter towns are original remnants of Old Oyo.
Oyo was not the first town to expand militarily & neither was it the only town that did. Owu was a first military power that Oyo paid tribute to, why do we not prop Olowu as Ooni's equals or superior? Kingdoms rise & fall. The relevance of that rise remains within the period of the rise - not after.
The present Oyo is a makeshift one not the original. This present Oyo is an arrangement out of being conquered & dispersed. Abeg let us keep in mind that Oyo is a conquered group that long lost its military relevance. Alaafin has no claim to any pan Yoruba leadership except within Oyo dependent or originated towns.
And Aare Ona Kakanfo does not cut across Yorubaland. Except you meant Yorubaland in its original context of Oyoland.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 6:57am On Mar 16|
LOL Ife was not walled. Did you read what you typed & posted?
If you are unable to visit Ife or ask Ife folks who are rooted in culture, you should at least find answers in literatures particularly those written by Ife authors. Eluyemi & Akinjogbin for instance.
Ife was walled, a part of the wall cutting off Ilesa was excavated last year by French govt. sponsored archeological fieldwork. Let us not put wrong info out there, I am still having to read Profs Babatunde Lawal & Siyan Oyeweso's works on Lagos among others before putting any thoughts or questions out on it.
Really, I'm done with the posts.
My points have been clearly stated, Ooni does not play any esoteric, spiritual, priestly or divine role of any kind. Anything Orisa, divine, esoteric, priestly or divine is under specific lineages of the 200 deities. The Ooni lineage [all ruling & exempt houses with royal backgrounds] is the only lineage without any kind of Orisa obligation or attachment in the whole of Ife.
Enjoy the week, Chief.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 8:42am On Mar 15|
I said if we went by legitimacy of crowns. Abi your child that derives from you can be your head ni? No matter how wealthy or prominent your children might become, you are their source & their head.
Military achievement is widespread and should not be used as a yardstick. Ijebu, Egba, Owu, Igbomina, Ekiti & the great Ibadan had serious military exploits. In fact, Ibadan had far more reach & conquests than Oyo within modern day Yorubaland. Militant kingdoms rise & fall. The fall is where the importance ends not after it.
Modakeke issue is beyond what is in the public. Let us just say the mess was an attempt by those who seriously loath Ife and want to see it wiped off the face of the earth for whatever reasons. We have settled & we are one.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 6:25am On Mar 15|
And the anointer of Oyo Ile was Ooni abi?
The history of town rituals is couched in Ifa & these rituals are often said to have been done by Babalawo, examples abound & Odu used to establish several Yoruba towns abound. Not one mentioned Ooni going to do rituals for any town.
What is certain is, neither you, not I & not even the Alaafin knows exactly what the creation of Oyo was like but what is clear is, at the time Oyo was founded Ife 1. Did not have or use Ooni 2. Ife was headed for a string of years by those who wanted it to remain as a confederacy 3. No Ooni does rituals, not even Oduduwa shrine is under his purview. All of these are facts & are still in operation here.
I've made my point clear in my 3 posts & I'm done here. Peace & blessings to you.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 11:40pm On Mar 14|
You & I do not know if & what rituals were performed at the inception of Oyo.
And if Oranmiyan founded Oyo indeed then Ife history indicates that the rulership of Ife at the time of Oyo founding had gone back to those who strongly opposed the creation of Ife. As such, there was no way any 'Ooni' would have partook in the rituals of Oyo if that is your bullseye.
Oyo-Ife intermix began & ends with Oranmiyan. Oyo in its early years was a 'bitch' to Owu, Bariba & Tapa. It was getting chased around to form Kishi, Igboho & so on. With a chequred early history, the rituals & rites were homegrown deriving from the peculiarities of the experiences & geography. As we can see they have their homegrown Ogboni, Sango cult etc.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 10:20pm On Mar 14|
I don't get it. Everyone seem stuck on Oyo's military exploits & forgot Oyo was/is a conquered town that long lost its military medals to Ibadan. Oyo was not the first town to expand militarily & neither was it the only town that did. Owu was a first military power that Oyo paid tribute to, why do we not prop Olowu as Ooni's equals too?
Kingdoms rise & fall. The relevance of that rise remains within the period of the rise - not after. The present Oyo is a makeshift not the original. The present Oyo is an arrangement out of being conquered & dispersed. Abeg let us keep in mind that Oyo is a conquered group that long lost its military relevance. Alaafin has no claim to any pan Yoruba leadership except within Oyo dependent or originated towns.
And Aare Ona Kakanfo does not cut across Yorubaland. Except you meant Yorubaland in its original context of Oyoland.
|Politics / Re: Alaafin Writes Fayemi, Asks Him To Stop Actions Against Traditional Rulers by OgboAto: 9:56pm On Mar 14|
My oga, I do not know what premise this conclusion of yours is based upon but it is false.
The spiritual/political allotment was a short-term solution in the immediate post-colonial period for Oyo/Ife supremacy struggle in the pre-Osun state days.
Ooni does not play any spiritual, divine or esoteric role both in Ile-Ife or Yorubaland at large. Every esoteric matter in Ife is a prerogative & inheritance of the descendants of the deity concerned. Ko si eleyi to kan Ooni rara not even Oduduwa which is under the custody of Idio lineage headed by Obadio. Let us stop this misinformation, it makes no sense. Also Yoruba kings go to the agbo ile they derive from for sword of state not the Ooni, it is totally out of the purview of the Ooni. For instance, Alaafin & Oba Bini for instance go to Chief Eredunmi, Oranmiyan's chief-priest for sword of state. Ko kan Ooni at all.
Alaafin is the political head of Oyo & towns with Oyo origin mostly to the west of our landscape. We know those originally referred to as Yoruba & Alaafin arrogated headship of Yoruba to himself in the colonial times within the context of those who were Yoruba at the time.
Alaafin has too many seniors ahead to lay claim to any leadership of any rank among Yoruba Oba. And also the legitimacy of Oyo as a kingdom needs to be questioned considering the present was a makeshift & not the orginal that was already dead. The Oyo were a conquered and dispersed people. The Oyo of today is not the same as the Oyo of Katunga - it takes away that militancy, diplomacy & politics you have ascribed to Oyo. You should give all of those to Ibadan instead. Going by proper history, the Alaafin lacks any modicum of merit to all you have ascribed to him.
There are militant towns, Oyo was a tributary town to Owu till its collapse. Military exploits is not a yardstick for relevance. Ibadan posed threats to Oyo & in/directly insulted Alaafin at various points too. Ibadan held on to that military record till colonial era as such, matters bordering on military/diplomacy should be under the purview of Olubadan not any Alaafin.
Finally, if the legitimacy of the crowns of all Yoruba Oba come from the Ooni & the Ooni is at the center as the adhesive holding Yoruba kingdoms together as one before, during & after colonial era then he's the political head of Yorubaland.
|Politics / Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by OgboAto: 9:34am On Mar 07|
You can download an European explorer's eye witness account of Fulani's exploits in the north here. The account describes the treachery, bloodletting & genocidal activities of the Fulani against the north while giving credit to Dan Fodio for attempting to build a kingdom for himself. The narrative also captured how the Hausa were enslaved by the Fulani; how the Hausa became totally helpless but one Hausa kingdom managed to raise a revolt that lasted a shortwhile. This account captured the Fulani conquest to Nyffe [Nupe] & Oyo after which Yoruba repelled them. Finally, it discusses how the Borno almost collapsed the Fulani empire. How the Sheik of Borno sacked Fulani occupied Hausa towns one by one. It is an interesting read. See link beow:
|Islam for Muslims / Re: Rulings Concerning Music In Islam by OgboAto: 11:33am On Mar 06|
You are not very smart.
While modernisation is relative per-culture, a region of the world 'conquered' the world eons back & have gone to set a globally accepted minimum standard of what should be considered modernisation. Every part of the world is gearing towards that standard & you say modernisatio. Is not exclusive to a region of the world?
- Human rights for all
- Gender equality
- Implementation of science & technology along western standards etc
All of these & more show that modernisation today is synonymous to westernisation.
You need to put that book containing Arabic folktale down & read proper books.
|Politics / Re: Sokoto To Replace Almajiri With Indonesian Pondok Model by OgboAto: 7:50am On Mar 02|
|Politics / Re: Usman Dan Fodio: Founder Of The Sokoto Caliphate by OgboAto: 6:43pm On Feb 27|
The OP merely romanticized Dan Fodio. For instance, saying he retired from war is mere simplification. Dan Fodio ran mad - he became mentally unstable and had to be resigned to indoors.
|Politics / Re: Amotekun: Western Nigeria Security Network In Pictures by OgboAto: 10:23am On Feb 05|
We however need to learn to differentiate Oyo from Ibadan. Ibadan was not founded by Oyo and neither is it peopled solely by folks of Oyo origins.
Ibadan is an agglomeration of people whose origins are from different Yoruba sub-groups. Ibadan is not Oyo and neither is Oyo Ibadan.
|Culture / Re: See The Origins And Founding Patriarchs of Yoruba And Yoruboid Towns. by OgboAto: 8:52am On Feb 01|
At a later point, yes but these fleeing groups came to a city founded & administered by the Ife & an admixture of non-Ife Yoruba led by Lagelu the first Maye.
|Culture / Re: See The Origins And Founding Patriarchs of Yoruba And Yoruboid Towns. by OgboAto: 8:49am On Feb 01|
History shows only the king & few chiefs are of Yoruba origins. Only a part of the political & art history of Edo ties with that of Yoruba. There's no need to appropriate.
|Culture / Re: See The Origins And Founding Patriarchs of Yoruba And Yoruboid Towns. by OgboAto: 8:01am On Feb 01|
Only the Bini monarchy & certain Bini chiefs have Yoruba origin. Before the Yoruba encounter, Edo folks existed & after the encounter, the Edo folks continued to exist. Edo is Edo, they're not Yoruba.
|Culture / Re: See The Origins And Founding Patriarchs of Yoruba And Yoruboid Towns. by OgboAto: 7:54am On Feb 01|
Prof Ogen who I think is from that geographical space wrote a paper on your Q, you can DL it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxodzeu2z5an63m/Exploring%20the%20Potential%20of%20Praise%20Poems%20for%20Historical%20Reconstruction%20among%20the%20Idepe-%20Ikale%20in%20Sout.pdf?dl=0
|Culture / Re: See The Origins And Founding Patriarchs of Yoruba And Yoruboid Towns. by OgboAto: 7:47am On Feb 01|
1. Not to resettle the displaced but to move & relocate the entire Modakeke settlers out of Ile-Ife. A window of opportunity for a lasting peace that was eventually ruined.
2. Obaloran is from Ilode quite alright but Ilode is not in Iremo. Ilode & Iremo are entirely different quarters.
|Culture / Re: Court Sacks Idowu Adediwura As Obalufe Of Ife, Orders Replacement by OgboAto: 6:38am On Dec 12, 2019|
|TV/Movies / Re: Drop Your Favourite Horror/Paranormal Movie Titles Here by OgboAto: 2:51pm On Dec 05, 2019|
|Culture / Re: Samuel Adegbola: Supreme Court Dethrones First-Class Oyo Monarch, Eleruwa by OgboAto: 5:20pm On Nov 29, 2019|
I think the court should deal with cases such as this with kingmakers. In the sense that such a court order should be within the purview of king makers to implement, as it will give the whole process a traditional feel. If the kingmakers are a part of selecting kings then they should also be part of the removal process.
Anyway in the days of old, this king will be expected to commit suicide or migrate very far.
|Politics / Re: Kogi Governorship Election 2019: Updates, Results, Reports And Live Monitoring by OgboAto: 8:51am On Nov 16, 2019|
Kogi, please do not vote Yamayama Bello again. The disastrous first time was enough. Really prove that power indeed resides with the people & make Yamayama Bello realize this by voting the dumb useless guy the Bleep out!
|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 7:58am On Nov 16, 2019|
What set are you, if it is OK to ask?
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|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 10:05pm On Nov 15, 2019|
Regardless of the academic or career development demands, e ma ha’le. The ipade omo ile is just one day in one month. The entire temple has been touched up. E ma ha ile!
|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 10:01pm On Nov 15, 2019|
Up Bapt Acad!
There are a lot more prominent alumni. The records are in school & many of them do not participate in BAOSA activities enough/at all to be known.
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|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 9:17pm On Nov 15, 2019|
Yep. I was there this year & last year.
Eyin omo ile need to participate more to boost the place of Olokun in Ife. Walode cannot do it alone and certainly not with ara ita. E dabo, e ma ha’le.
|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 8:45pm On Nov 15, 2019|
Yep I have attended your festival.
|Education / Re: Which Popular Person Attended Your Secondary School? by OgboAto: 4:42pm On Nov 15, 2019|
Eyin omo Olokun ni ogbon Ilode.
I salute o.
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