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IslamVIRGINS:
You didn't talk about these.

What do you want said about them?

In specific do you say and agree with the lord's prayer? Kindly confirm for further discussion.

IslamVIRGINS:
Allah's Paradise is so sweet @Ohyoudidnt:

Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them."

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:40

You appear not to have properly or fully quoted however is this what you speak of;Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 402?

Narrated `Abdullah bin Qais:

Allah's Messenger pbuh said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."

But in Arabic this reads:

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُلَيْحٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ هِلاَلٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ أَوَّلُ زُمْرَةٍ تَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ عَلَى صُورَةِ الْقَمَرِ لَيْلَةَ الْبَدْرِ، وَالَّذِينَ عَلَى آثَارِهِمْ كَأَحْسَنِ كَوْكَبٍ دُرِّيٍّ فِي السَّمَاءِ إِضَاءَةً، قُلُوبُهُمْ عَلَى قَلْبِ رَجُلٍ وَاحِدٍ، لاَ تَبَاغُضَ بَيْنَهُمْ وَلاَ تَحَاسُدَ، لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ زَوْجَتَانِ مِنَ الْحُورِ الْعِينِ، يُرَى مُخُّ سُوقِهِنَّ مِنْ وَرَاءِ الْعَظْمِ وَاللَّحْمِ

Which means:

Muhammad bin Al-Muthanna told us, he said: Abdul Aziz bin Abdul-Samad told us, Abu Imran Al-Juni told us, on the authority of Abu Bakr bin Abdullah bin Qayyim. S., on the authority of his father, that the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said, “Indeed, in Paradise there is a tent made of a hollow pearl, its width Sixty miles, in every corner of which there are people whom the others do not see, the believers marching around them.” “And two gardens of silver, their utensils and what is in them, and Their utensils and what is in them do not stink, and there is nothing between the people and them looking at their Lord except the cloak of pride on his face in the Garden of Eden

IslamVIRGINS:
Sahih al-Bukhari 3254

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “The first batch (of people) who will enter Paradise will be (glittering) like the full moon, and the batch next to them will be (glittering) like the most brilliant star in the sky. Their hearts will be as if the heart of a single man, for they will have neither enmity nor jealousy amongst themselves; everyone will have two wives from the houris, (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh.”

This in Arabic language reads
حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ الْمُنْذِرِ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُلَيْحٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، عَنْ هِلاَلٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ أَبِي عَمْرَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ أَوَّلُ زُمْرَةٍ تَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ عَلَى صُورَةِ الْقَمَرِ لَيْلَةَ الْبَدْرِ، وَالَّذِينَ عَلَى آثَارِهِمْ كَأَحْسَنِ كَوْكَبٍ دُرِّيٍّ فِي السَّمَاءِ إِضَاءَةً، قُلُوبُهُمْ عَلَى قَلْبِ رَجُلٍ وَاحِدٍ، لاَ تَبَاغُضَ بَيْنَهُمْ وَلاَ تَحَاسُدَ، لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ زَوْجَتَانِ مِنَ الْحُورِ الْعِينِ، يُرَى مُخُّ سُوقِهِنَّ مِنْ وَرَاءِ الْعَظْمِ وَاللَّحْمِ

Ibrahim bin Al-Mundhir narrated to us, Muhammad bin Falih narrated to us, my father narrated to us, on the authority of Hilal, on the authority of Abd al-Rahman bin Abi Amra, on the authority of Abu Hurairah - may God be pleased with him May God bless him - on the authority of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, “The first group to enter Paradise will be in the image of the moon on the night of the full moon. And those who follow in their footsteps are like the most brilliantly shining star in the sky, whose hearts are like the heart of one man. There is no hatred between them and no envy, for every person. Two wives from the houris, whose marrow can be seen from behind the bone and flesh.

Questions are their hearts are like the heart of one man?

It meations two wives and you have stated 72 virgins as what? Which and what really is it?

IslamVIRGINS:
I have them in hundred fold for your enjoyment

Quran 55:70-77

“Therein gardens will be fair wives good and beautiful; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Houris restrained in pavilions; Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Whom no man has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?”

Clearquan.com
Quran 55:
70. In them are good and beautiful ones.
فِيۡهِنَّ خَيۡرٰتٌ حِسَانٌ‌ۚ‏
fiۡhinn khayۡrt hisanun‌ۚ‏
There are good and good things in them.
(The preceding and following verses translate to mean so which of your lords favours do you deny; as ANTIIISLAM manufactured 'Bible' into a Quran verse you too have done so with wife? Please where in Arabic is this wife; زوجة, zawja?)
71. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny?

72. Companions, secluded in the tents.

73. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny?

74. Whom no human has touched before, nor jinn.

75. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny?

76. Reclining on green cushions, and exquisite carpets.

77. So which of your Lord’s marvels will you deny?

IslamVIRGINS:
The virgins will have firm breasts @Ohyoudidnt


Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;

Qur'an 78:31-33

78:33

وَّكَوَاعِبَ
wwakawaeib
اَتۡرَابًاۙ‏
atraaban .

And splendid companions well matched

TenQ:
Will you prefer that I give you Tafsirs that will show you that the only purpose of the Houris is for sex with the Muslim man in Jannah?

Of course your minds cannot appreciate the beauty of the houris and how pure they totally are but are dirtied with your amorous thoughts. Is this what is best done with companionship?

The exact nature of all pleasures in Jannah, including the relationships with Houris, is understood to be beyond human
comprehension as the delights of Paradise are often described in
metaphorical terms that humans can relate to, but their reality is far
superior.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"In Jannah is what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and the mind of no
man has conceived." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Sahih al-Bukhari 7498
Narrated Abu Huraira: the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah said, "I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things) as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.

I was expecting a negation to The term “زَوَّجۡنَٰهُم” zawwajۡnahum having various interpretations and misunderstandings by many but I see you swallow everything so long as it helps you slanderous acts against Islam.

Sadly the core of present day Christianity particularly since the human manipulations of the 5th century are not addressed. It's a truth you rather shy from.

The absence of explicit references to the divinity of Christ can be seen in early Christian texts like the Didache, which is considered one of the oldest Christian writings outside of the New Testament canon. Similarly, mentions of the pre-existent Christ are notably absent in documents like the Old Roman Creed or Apostles’ Creed from around 100 AD.

It wasn’t until the second century that Jesus began to be deified, with writings like those of Ignatius reflecting this shift. Do you know this or prefer nothing busts your illusionary blissful balloon.

Well it's your joy so do enjoy it.

IslamVIRGINS:
Here is another one

Sahih and hasan hadith may be sahih or hasan in of themselves (sahih/hasan li-dhatihi) or may not have reached the highest standards of grading but are elevated to the class of sahih or hasan via other hadith (sahih/hasan li-ghayrihi).

Sahih/hasan li-ghayrihi are hadith that are not sahih in themselves and have some doubt because of which it is Hassan (like maybe one of the narrators is truthful but is said to have poor memory).

However there exists another Hassan or Sahih hadith with different sanad that says the same. Because of the existence of this other sanad we can be circumstantially grade an authenticity of the hadith.

So it is called sahih li ghairih, because it is sahih not because of itself but because of another hadith.

You should know that the hadith being man's record is open to incorrectness unlike the Quran which is Allah's revelation that he preserves.

TenQ:
Weak argument!
Does it contradict
Quran 52:20
Reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes


Are these Christians books or Islamic Religious books?

Is it my fault that you have liars as authority in Islam writing events that are clearly fabricated or weak?

The term “زَوَّجۡنَٰهُم” zawwajۡnahum in Quran 52:20 has been subject to various interpretations and misunderstandings by many. The word is often translated as “paired them” or “paired with, or wed” referring to the companionship of beautiful beings in paradise. However, some individuals have misunderstood this concept due to cultural, linguistic, and contextual differences.


The term zawwajۡnahumis derived from the root word “زَوْج,” zawj can mean pairing, coupling, or marriage. In Arabic, the concept of marriage[b] is not limited to a physical union between a man and a woman but can also signify a deep connection, companionship, or pairing of entities.[/b]

To understand the true meaning of this in the Quranic context, it is essential to consider the broader themes of paradise described in Surah At-Tur. The verse portrays a scene of ultimate bliss and reward for the righteous believers, where they will be reclining on thrones and paired with beautiful companions. This pairing is symbolic of the fulfillment of emotional and social needs in paradise, emphasizing companionship and joy rather than a literal interpretation of marriage as understood in worldly terms

TenQ:
It is because of people like you who are desperately trying to look for defence for your book of doom from Mohammed.

As you desperately try to Find Mohammed in the Bible, you at the same time desperately try to find fault with the book


Disciples of Jesus were killed in terrible ways proclaiming that Jesus was crucified on the cross, He died, He resurected and went up to heaven in their presence.

Didn't Allah wait for over 600 years when Christianity has spread to Arabia, Africa, Middle East and Europe

Is it untrue that Allah mislead over 3.5Billion individuals who now claim that Jesus died on the cross?




Christians were not tried of their faith, they were misled by Allah according to Islam.

You Muslims don't even have a clue to what Trials and Temptations are:
Temptations:
These are the sweet desirable thing satan brings our way so that we will go against the will and command of God for us. Temptations are often from the things we desire Eg. Money, Sex, Power, Influence etc
God doesn't tempt us!

Trials:
Trials are difficult and hard things satan or sometimes God brings our way so that we will go against the will and command of God for us. God often allows satan to try us. Trials are of the things we avoid Pain, Shame, Death, Persecution, Disaster, Lack etc
Sometimes like Abraham, God Himself can try us (Exam)

Tell me and explain according to Islamic theology how God misleads us as a Trial?




This is like the case of Abraham :
God said to him: take your son whom you love and sacrifice him for me.
Righteousness is when Abraham obeys God and Faithlessness is if Abraham refuses to sacrifice his son.


So, tell me how if God convinces me that Jesus died on the cross, resurrected and rose up to heaven it becomes righteousness to disbelieve God and claim that Jesus didn't die nor was He crucified?

In the Bible, there are numerous examples of individuals being tested by God to reveal the authenticity of their faith. For instance, in Genesis 22:1-2, God tests Abraham by asking him to sacrifice his son Isaac as a burnt offering. This test was a demonstration of Abraham’s unwavering faith and obedience to God’s command, ultimately showcasing his devotion.

Similarly, in Deuteronomy 8:2-3, the Israelites are led through the wilderness for forty years as a test of their faithfulness and commitment to following God’s commandments. The provision of manna to sustain them during this time served as a test to show that man does not live by bread alone but by every word from God.

These instances highlight the idea that God tests individuals with different faiths not to cause harm or confusion but to strengthen their belief and deepen their relationship with Him. Through these tests, individuals have the opportunity to demonstrate their trust in God and showcase their unwavering commitment to His teachings.

Between Noah and Abraham about 422 years passed. Between David and Jesus about 1400 years passed.

TenQ:
Your bolded is a complete fabrication otherwise, I challenge you to find me a Christian sect that dispute about the death of Judas.

Let me break it down to you like a primary two pupil

1. Judas hung himself on a tree once he discovered that Jesus was to be crucified
Mat 27:5:
"And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Mathew emphasised only the hanging part of the story.

This was before Jesus was even crucified.

2. By the time Judas was found, he must have bloated up after more than four days hung up on the tree because the next two days were sabbath (no Jew go out for any duty). Even Jesus was not anointed until the third day after crucifixion.

Luke writing the Book of Acts therefore emphasised the shame of Judas bursting open on landing on the ground.

Acts 1:18:
"Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out."

Do people die by bursting their stomach when falling from a height?

By the time Judas was found, he must have bloated up after more than four days hung up on the tree because the next two days were sabbath (no Jew go out for any duty). Even Jesus was not anointed until the third day after crucifixion.

This is your assertion to prove your point or what validates this statement?

While it is unlikely for a person to die from bursting their stomach during a fall, it is not entirely impossible. A fall from a significant height can exert a great amount of force on the body upon impact. This force can potentially cause serious internal injuries, including rupturing the stomach.

If the impact is severe enough, there is a small chance that the stomach could rupture, leading to a potentially life-threatening situation.

TenQ:
Muslims and lying are inseparable
1. Why then will Allah marry them to you?
Is it a sexless marriage?

Sunan Ibn Majah 2780
It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“The horizons will be opened to you, and you will conquer a city called Qazvin. Whoever is stationed there for forty days or forty nights, will have pillars of gold in Paradise, with green chrysolite and topped by a dome of rubies. It will have seventy thousand doors, at each door will be a wife from among the wide-eyed houris.’”

2. What will you be doing with endless erection in paradise?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4337
It was narrated from Abu Umamah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable front passages and he will have a male member that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp).’”

3. There is even a brothel in paradise already paid for, you just take your pick

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2550
'Ali narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"Indeed in Paradise there is a market in which there is no buying nor selling- except for images of men and women. So whenever a man desires an image, he enters it."


Contrast with:

Mat 22:30:
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

If Jesus came from Allah as his Word and a Spirit from Him, should He not know what transpire in heaven?


Of course, this is another great difference in doctrine between Jesus and Mohammed!

These Maudu and Daifs are created for your use TENQ enforcer of falsities?

TenQ:
Even verse 72 betrays you sir

Quoting you:
72. Then We will rescue those who were devout, and leave the wrongdoers in it, on their knees.

From where would be Muslims be rescued?
Is it not from Inside hell Fire?

If evil doers will be LEFT on their knees, does it not connote that they are left only after you Muslims were removed from their midst?


Is it untrue that some of your scholars speaking the truth agree with me!?
Would you say that Ibn Abbas the cousin of your prophet doesn't understand the Qur'an?


See what the Tafsirs say:
ALL Muslims will enter the Fire of Hell until they are finally ransomed.

See the Tafsirs on Qur'an 19:71

Quran 19 :71 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place.


Qur'an 19.71 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it.


Qur'an 19.71-72 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
Everyone will be brought to Hell, then the Righteous will be saved
Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

All Muslims are entering Hell Fire!

Quran 19:72 -
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."


You will first Enter the Fire: this is inevitable for you ma. How long will you stay in the fire?
Could it be a deception that you will thereafter be saved!?


Too bad: what if you discover that it is a trick and you would never ever come out of hell?



The only problem is no one know how long you will be in Hell before Allah finally removes you and LEAVE the evil doers hobbling on their knees. Is it 7 million years or 99 million years? We don't know

If 10 men are lined up for execution but 2 are taken away from this line up haven't these 2 been saved or rescued?

TenQ:
Are you stating unequivocally that Adam was God's son in Islam?

Because, your prophet said that Adam was created in the image of Allah.

Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”

I am just following your argument!

This is your biblical or Christian theology and a further explanation of the concept of Son of God ism.

Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 is referring to position of honour and if I may add blows or hits on the face can affect the brain through which man derives intellect and intelligence to appropriately serve as a vicergent of Allah.

It should be protected from harm asside its controlling the individual internal and external activities

TenQ:
Can you unequivocally describe exactly how
1. Allah took Jesus to heaven
2. Who was crucified instead of Jesus
3. Why the disciples of Jesus, Mary the mother and all the Apostles of Jesus were decieved by Allah along with the Jews and Romans

And I have explained off All your misconceptions but of course, it doesn't pay you to listen nor understand.

I challenge you to state the details of what exactly happened to Jesus and why Allah needed to destroy all the work Jesus came to do here on earth.

Until you can state exactly what happened to Jesus and match timeline and history, you have no case.
Is it untrue that the best you can do is to manufacture conjecture in explaining what happened to Jesus?

According to this, Isa (Jesus) a.s. was not crucified nor killed but was raised up to Allah. It appeared to those who
wanted to crucify him that they had succeeded, but Allah saved him. Islamic tradition holds that Isa a.s. will
return before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and defeat the false messiah (Dajjal). The exact details of
how the crucifixion was made to appear to them are not given in Islamic sources, and Allah knows best the full story.

Do you know the exact details of how Adam was moulded from clay, the Sun, stars and galaxy were created; how exactly God created rest through sleep for man and the exact time you sleep and wake up? Are you arrogantly trying to know these precise details to became a god? Your not knowing these exactly doesn't stop them from being and occuring.

TenQ:
The writers wrote at the time people were familiar with the nature of the passover feasts and holidays, thus they needn't expanciate on it. We modern readers may have to go into history and Jewish customs to understand the details of what is written down.

Does this then mean the text is just for the people of that time otherwise why should modern readers be so burdened to look for the meaning?

Is it that the acts of the passover have been abolished and why? If it's a thing of Jewish culture is this categorically stating a Jewish right which impacted the religion is abandoned that it's details are unclear?

TenQ:
You mentioned the illusion of Anachronism caused by Allah himself resulting in
1. Allah misleading over 3.5Billion individuals who claim that Jesus died on the cross.
2. The whole message of Jesus was distorted by this singular act of Allah.


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1. We're the followers of Jesus say in the first 40 to 50 years following his departure burdened with this? I doubt so.

Were they misled or this is part of the test of faith?

1 Peter 1:7 - “These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world..”

The verse suggests that trials and challenges are not without purpose for believers. They are meant to refine and strengthen one’s faith, demonstrating its authenticity and value.

Matt. 3:12 He is ready to separate the chaff from the wheat with his winnowing fork. Then he will clean up the threshing area, gathering the wheat into his barn but burning the chaff with never-ending fire.”

In this verse John the Baptist is assumed to be addressing the Pharisees and Sadducees. The wheat represents those who are truly repentant, the chaff those like the Pharisees and Sadducees who are not.

Seems I omitted to address.

The fate of Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, is a topic that has been debated for centuries. According to the Bible, Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver and later regretted his actions, returning the money before hanging himself. However, there are also conflicting accounts that suggest Judas died in a different manner.

One theory is that Judas did not actually hang himself but instead died from a fall or other means. Another belief is that he was killed by God as punishment for his betrayal. Some even claim that Judas faked his own death and lived out the rest of his days in exile.

Whether he died by suicide, accident, divine intervention, or lived on in hiding, the story of Judas continues to intrigue and mystify scholars and believers alike.

TenQ:
So, companionship is about sex and reproduction?

Don't Angels have companionship/relationship with each other?

Jesus said, there is no marriage in paradise.

But in Islamic heaven, it's a galore of sexual orgies
1. You marry Houris
2. You marry inmates of hell with tight vagn.as
3. You marry Muslim women
4. Mohammed will even marry Mary the mother of Jesus

It is a different paradise we are going bro!

Is this not another major difference in doctrine of Christ Jesus and Mohammed?

I wonder where you get this sexual relations from.

The companionship between the righteous believers and the houris in paradise is not described as being sexual.

The concept of houris in Islamic belief is often associated with the reward for faithful Muslim men in paradise. While there are descriptions of houris in Islamic texts that mention their beauty and characteristics, the relationship between believers and houris is typically understood to be one of companionship, purity, and reward rather than physical or sexual in nature.

TenQ:
Qur'an 19:71
"وَمَا مِنكُم مِّنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيَمُرُّهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ يَسِيرٌ"

Was ma minkum min ahadin illa sayamurruhā...

Going by the Arabic!

Every Muslim according to Allah will FIRST enter the Fire of Hell before Allah will now accept their ransome

You pick a verse in Surah Maryam without recourse to the surrounding verses?
Clearquran.com Surah 19
67. Does the human being not remember that We created him before, when he was nothing?

68. By your Lord, We will round them up, and the devils, then We will bring them around Hell, on their knees.

69. Then, out of every sect, We will snatch those most defiant to the Most Merciful.

70. We are fully aware of those most deserving to scorch in it.

71. There is not one of you but will go down to it. This has been an unavoidable decree of your Lord.

72. Then We will rescue those who were devout, and leave the wrongdoers in it, on their knees.

Without going to Tafsir is the above not easy to understand?

68 says all including the devil will be brought around the fire,
69 says the most deviant in every sect will be snatched being aware of what everyone does emphasized in 70.

Are these not the ones that will go down into it. The deviants will go down into it.

72. The righteous will be saved from this faith.

TenQ:
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Only God reserve the right to call anyone His son by adoption.
BTW Gen5:1-2 never called Adam God's son.

The Word of God (Jesus Christ) gave us the power to become God's children.

John 1:12:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"


What is your problem of the Creator of Everything adopts me as His child?

Hmm, let's get into some of your theology.

The terms “image” and “likeness” in the context of being made in the image of God are actually representative of sonship. By the Biblical saying of being created in the image and likeness of God signifies a filial relationship with God, where humans are considered His offspring.

This buttresses the perspective that aligns with the idea that humanity’s role as God’s image-bearers is closely tied to being His children, reflecting a family resemblance and standing in a special relationship with Him.

The narrative in Genesis 1 emphasizes that humans, created in God’s image and likeness, are tasked with dominion over the earth and its creatures. This connection between the image of God and rulership underscores the significance of humans as representatives of God’s authority on earth.

The usage of the language of “image” and “likeness” extends to family relationships within the biblical text. Genesis 5 draws a parallel between Adam being created in the likeness of God and his son Seth being born in his own likeness, indicating a generational transmission of this divine image.

In the New Testament Acts 17 and Luke 3, suggest that bearing the image of God implies a filial connection with Him, emphasizing a familial bond between humanity and their Creator.

Luke’s genealogical reference to Adam speaks of him as the divinely created progenitor of the line leading to Jesus (Luke 3:38). Luke is explaining what it means that Jesus has been declared to be God’s well-pleasing Son (Luke 3:22).

TenQ:
I lost my first response to this which was comprehensive : this will be an abridged version

Can we thus say this response isn't the same as the one you lost? Is it certain this abridged version doesn't miss prominent points you intended and this is different?

TenQ:
1. All you need to do is to find out if the Passover is a single day event or a seven or eight day event. Then, the apparent before or after the passover is subject to interpretation of which particular day of the passover. The four gospels agree that Jesus was crucified isn't it?
2. It seems you are more knowledgeable that Allah and Mohammed combined as they never mentioned passover as an issue of contention
3. What has the verse
Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

What is the meaning of the phrase but so it was made to appear to them, with respect to the passover?




And Allah in his wisdom prepared the datails that could only have been the truth!?
The independent reporters of the event of crucifixion should write according to your directions?
Is your argument that two independent reports of an event must be exactly alike?



Do your research, this is completely untrue.

Does the Bible exactly say the passover is not a single day? I have not seen this perhaps you can show me as you take offense in my saying you are rewriting the Bible and reinventing Christianity.

The discrepancies in how Jesus is said to have been crucified make a big case for doubt. When there are inconsistencies in narrations of how an event is said to occur it takes a good chunk of credibility away or isn't this so?

You are familiar with the word anachronism ?

Anachronisms can indeed be considered as illusions in the context of historical reenactments or artistic representations. They serve to create a specific atmosphere or narrative that may not be entirely historically accurate but aims to entertain or engage the audience.

The phrase “so it was made to appear to them” refers to the belief held by some that Jesus was crucified. This verse is often interpreted to mean it wasn't Jesus crucified and he was substituted. Was he substituted by another person or was this like a mirage or was this like the case of Moses seeing a burning bush yet no real fire or burning was taking place?

Why does the phrase it only appeared to happen occur in that translation of the meaning? Does this not emphasize that it didn't happen? The famous magician trick of slicing a human into two is an appearance that isn't true or does the magician actually slice the person in two? No. It is an illusion that is perceived to be real as the audience but it isn't.

The event was a deception or illusion created by Allah to protect Jesus from such a fate. You are familiar with the 16th century philosopher Machiavelli who feigned his death in order to defeat his enemies?

'and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow'

Is this not evident in the varied narrations surrounding the crucifixion in the Bible?

TenQ:
The independent reporters of the event of crucifixion should write according to your directions?
Is your argument that two independent reports of an event must be exactly alike?

Using your excellent reasoning :
Why did Allah send the Zabur and the Injeel after he had already sent the Torah?

Oh! I only emphasize the discrepancies in these reports which you probably must have pondered over too. Unlike you I don't create a god in my image and determine what he says or does.


When two reports are not essentially the same the onus is mine to further investigate and derived the truth.


Do you exactly remember everything you've learnt in life since when you were a child though this is less than a 100 years? Naturally you will forget some details of some things.

In the case of human communities over longer periods of time some things get forgotten or inadequately related. Then don't forget the enemy the Devil ever scheming and trying to change the truth.

The different books were sent through prophets at different times but all emphasized the oneness of an almighty God and advised on righteous behaviour.

They also attended to peculiarities in human relationship at those times.

TenQ:
Your only way out of your quagmire is as usual to create a Strawman for yourself instead of facing the real fact. You had to redefine Trinity to suit your own narrative and continued to use your created. Why did you not t quote me exactly and move on form there?

According to Islam, is Jesus not
1. A messanger of Allah
2. The Word of Allah
3. A spirit from Allah
Is there Three Jesus in Islam? Can you explain how Jesus is three different personalities yet one.
Is the Word of Allah the Same as a Spirit! ?
Is a Messanger of Allah the same as the Word of Allah! ?

I have asked you repeatedly in the past:
1. Is it true that your prophet says that the prophets are in their graves praying to Allah?
2. Is it true that Mohammed rode the Al-Burak to paradise and he met with the prophets of God in heaven?
If this is the case, do we have two Moses and two Adam and two David's one in the grave and the other in paradise?

3. Is it untrue that in Islam at death, two angels come to the grave to ask three questions from the dead. Suppose a dead man gave instructions that his body be vapourised would He still face the questioning of the Angels? Common sense doesn't tell you that a man exists in at least two different forms either as a physical being or a spiritual being



Since you know a little science, why did you not use the Wave-Particle duality of matter. I will advise you to separate the wave from the particle and still arrive at matter!

Matter presents itself in two dimensions of either Particle or Wave.

Is it untrue that Even in Islam man is at least a Duality of his Body and Spirit/Soul ?

Adam, Moses, David are dead, yet your prophet saw them and spoke with them: how difficult can that be in comprehension?


I am sure you would not answer the question below
Is it Untrue that Your Soul/Spirit is YOU
Is it Untrue that Your Body is b]YOU[/b]

If these are untrue, what are your Evidences?

Mr. Do 1. A messanger of Allah ,2. The Word of Allah and 3. A spirit from Allah refer to different entities? Are the father, son and holy spirit not different amd existing at different locations?

When Jesus was on earth wasn't the Father said to be in heaven and didn't Jesus have the support of the holy spirit as well as send him by your Christian view to the apostles after he departed? Isn't this clear distinction of them being different?

Ogbeni a dispute at a time please? What's your aim in mixing up the subject of discourse. Are you seeking confusion or misdirection of the discourse

The presence of whatever quantity of poison in a food doesn't prevent it from being eaten. Once eaten the poisonous effects start to reflect.

This is the effect of the modification in the previous scripture on the believers of this

TenQ:
Even though, you Muslims know fully well that no Christian ever claim two or three God's but you definitely need the Strawman to keep up the rhetorics.

According to Islam
Is Jesus the Word of Allah?
Is Jesus a Spirit from Allah?
Is Jesus a Messanger of Allah?
Do we have three Jesus in Islam?

If you don't Understand Trinity or it looks illogical to you, I will gladly oblige you.

1. God as the Father is in the Spiritual Realm called Heaven
2. God as the Holy Spirit is Everywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm
3. God as the Word is Sent to Anywhere in space and time both in the Physical and Spiritual Realm where God's will has to be established

As Muslims, you claim that God is unlike anything yet you are the first to box Allah into the limitation of Satan.

*Is it untrue that Satan is One?
*Satan is NOT Omnipresent (how can God descend from his throne to the lowest heaven) and still be on his throne in heaven?


A tiny Poison in the richest food make the food Poisonous
A tiny excrement in a Gold cup make the cup unfit for drinking!

Only if this little poison is expunged before the food can be safely eaten.

Only if the tiniest trace of the excrement is removed and the vessel disinfected can the gold cup be fit for use.

Wonderful assertions. Is it not contradictory? You say your God is of 3 equal God's in Father, son and holy spirit that are not equal to one another yet are all God? Is this not confusing? When of the three equal one is most supreme or isn't this? Jesus did say the father God is greater than him and knows what he doesn't know. This same father sends the holy spirit and son Jesus but the latter 2 don't send the father or do they?

Is it like water a molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms that can be separated into it's constituents or Ozone that may be different Isotopes of Oxygen?

TenQ:
Unfortunately,
1. Islam says Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Islam does not know the purpose of the Messiah
3. Islam created another means of salvation which lacks any guarantee
4. Islam says ALL Muslims will enter Hell fire but later they will be removed
5. Islam rejects God's solution for salvation from the Fire of Hell.

1. Jesus called Himself the Son of God which Islam contradicts
2. Jesus gave us the power to becomes God's children, which Islam contradicts
3. Jesus says in Heaven (paradise) , we shall not marry wives as we shall all be like Angels, but Islam says we will marry Houri and even women from the inmates of Hell
4. Jesus said that He is the WAY, the Truth and the LIFE and NO ONE can enter Paradise without Him.
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

1. Was Jesus really crucified?

The Gospel of John portrays Jesus’ crucifixion occurring on the day of preparation for Passover, while the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) suggest it happened after Passover. Which really was it?

The Synoptic Gospels mention Simon of Cyrene helping Jesus carry his cross, while John’s Gospel does not include this detail.

The Gospel of John presents a different sequence of events during the crucifixion compared to the Synoptic Gospels.

In John, Jesus’ trial before Pontius Pilate occurs before the trial before Annas, whereas in the Synoptics, it happens after.

In John’s Gospel, Nicodemus assists Joseph of Arimathea in preparing Jesus’ body for burial, whereas in the Synoptics, Joseph of Arimathea alone takes initiative to bury Jesus.

In John, the inscription on the cross reads “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. In the Synoptic Gospels, it simply states “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews” in Latin and Greek.

In John, Jesus is said to have spoken to the women present at the crucifixion, specifically his mother Mary and the disciple’s mother, while in the Synoptics, there is no mention of this interaction.

In John’s Gospel, Jesus willingly gives up his spirit and declares “It is finished,” whereas in the Synoptics, he cries out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) before he dies.

In John, it is the Roman soldier who pierces Jesus’ side with a spear, while in the Synoptics, it is a soldier from the Jewish authorities.

The Gospels offer varying accounts regarding who discovered the empty tomb first and what they saw there.

The timing and circumstances surrounding Jesus’ appearances after his resurrection differ among the Gospel narratives.

The Gospels were written decades after the events they describe, raising questions about their accuracy and reliability as historical sources.

The lack of contemporary non-Christian sources documenting Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection has led some to question the veracity of these events.

The Gospel of Matthew describes Judas Iscariot’s remorse after betraying Jesus and returning the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests before hanging himself.

In contrast, the Book of Acts narrates Judas falling headlong and bursting open in a field. So what truly happened to Judas Iscariot? Or did he buy land with the proceeds of his betrayal?

Could theological motivations have influenced how the Gospel writers shaped their narratives, potentially leading to embellishments or alterations for doctrinal purposes?

Differences in emphasis or theological themes across the Gospels have raised questions about whether they present a completely objective historical record.

According to the Gospel of Mark, Jesus was crucified at the third hour (Mark 15:25), which is usually interpreted as 9 AM. It is mentioned that he died before sunset, as the Sabbath was approaching (Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54). This would suggest a timespan of approximately six to nine hours from the time of crucifixion to death.


Mark 15:44 mentioned that Pilate marveled at the news of Jesus’ swift death and summoned the centurion to confirm if Jesus was indeed dead before granting permission for his body to be given to Joseph of Arimathea for burial. This account suggests that Pilate had doubts about the rapidity of Jesus’ death and wanted to ensure that he was truly deceased before allowing his body to be taken down from the cross.


2. In the Book of Genesis, Adam is described as a son of God (Genesis 5:1-2). In the Book of Exodus, Moses is instructed by God to tell Pharaoh that Israel is His firstborn son (Exodus 4:22-23). These instances suggest that the concept of being a child of God existed before the time of Jesus.

Now in absolute terms does your designing and building a house or car make it your child?

3. What do you mean by Islam creating another means of salvation? Please be specific or detailed so I understand you.

4. It seems you have a misconception and gross misunderstanding of the verse you may refer to but it's wrong I pre-empt you so please explain this.

5. By God's solution do you refer to this being through Jesus? How come a same God of yesterday, today and forever change the course at some point in the journey. The rules and laws of God are said not to change.


The following questions tend towards some repetition of the former except

3. Matthew 22:30, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. The question is why should mankind change to angels? These are separate entities or aren't they?

Revelation 21:1-4 describes that there will be a new heaven and a new earth where God will live with his people. “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” This suggests that there will be a sense of community and companionship in Heaven.

The marriages in Islam you refer to are in what sense? Are these relations same as earthly ones. That you will continue enjoying companionship of your earthly wives in paradise doesn't mean it will be like that on earth.

The relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah is one of companionship, beauty, and pleasure.The nature of this relationship between righteous men and houris in Jannah will be that the relationship is purely spiritual and symbolic, representing the ultimate fulfillment and joy that believers will experience in Paradise.

TenQ:
You are simply a noise maker.

Allah has over 124,000 prophets with books and you cannot find just one example other than the Qur'an where Allah gave a name to the book!?

For your information Iblis is ONE too o!
Explain what is special with that?

Iblis is one just as you too are. Neither of you created or sustains anything nor has any power to do anything except what Allah grant you.

Were the Torah, Injil and Zabur not names given?

ANTlISLAM:
Shey na me be the author of your hoely Quran because I yamu not understand

As I don turn the class to the language (arabic) allah understood, which scripture is the verse talking about?

Or you no no Arabic word for Scripture make I help you out??

Your lies are catching up with you? Why say what you don't know? Why state falsehood?

John 8:31-32:
If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Matthew 12:36-37:
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Matthew 15:18-20:
But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person.


[size=14pt]T. B. Irving, The Qur'an: The First
American Version; Translated and
Commentary (1985[/size])

110 Jonah XI, 10:94 (x)

* If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you,
then question those who have read the Book before you: Truth has come
to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;

** do not be someone
who rejects God's signs, so you [turn out to] be a loser.

* Those against whom your Lord's word has been confirmed will never believe until they see painful torment, even though every sign should be brought them.

*If only there had been a town which believed and whose faith had benefited it besides Jonah’s people. Once they believed, We lifted the torment of
shame from them during worldly life and let them enjoy things for a
while.

* If your Lord had so wished, everyone on earth would have believed, all of them together!
So will you force mankind to become believers?

*** It is not up to any soul to believe unless it [happens] with God's permission; He places a blight
on those who do not use their reason.

* sav: “Look at whatever [exists] in
Heaven and Earth, Signs and warning do not benefit any people who do
not believe.

* Do they expect anything except days like the ones which happened to
those who passed away before them? sav: “So wait; I am one of those
waiting alongside you.”

* Then We will save Our messengers and those who believe; it is thus right for Us to save believers!

(x1) * sax: “Mankind, if you are in any doubt concerning my religion,
well, I do not serve those whom you serve instead of God but rather I
worship God [Alone], Who will gather you (all) in.

I am commanded to be a believer: **

*Keep your face set towards religion, seeking [God] righteously and do not be an associator

* nor appeal to something that will neither benefit nor harm you, instead of to God [Alone]. If you
should do so you would then be a wrongdoer.”

* If God should afflict you with any trouble, there is no one to remove it except Him, while if He wants some good for you, there is no one who can spurn His bounty, He strikes any of His servants He wants to with it. He is the ever living, the Merciful!

© “Mankind, Truth has come to you from your Lord! Anyone who accepts guidance is guided only for his own sake while anyone who strays away, will only become lost at his own risk. I am no custodian set up over you

* Follow whatever has been inspired in you and be patient until God
judges, for He is the best Judge.

TenQ:
The bottom line is, there is a CONTRADICTION ! God of the Christians and Jews call us His children (of course by adoption) and this is different for Allah

Qur'an 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

And the argument betrays that the writer is not God.
Do even earthly father's discipline their children who they love dearly?

Do you concur that fathers don't discipline their children if truly they are the father?

Compare with
Prov 3:11-12:
"My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loves he corrects; even as a father the son in whom he delights."

God chastizes or punishes whom he loves here on earth for correction

Tenq is indeed making great attempts to remake the Christian doctrine.
Does the Bible you follow not record Jesus saying:

Matthew 15:9: “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
In context from verse 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8[b]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me[/b].
This verse implies that religious leaders sometimes prioritize their own teachings over divine revelation.

Is Tenq lying that the Biblical God created hell in vain and people will not be punished for eternity there?

Do you feign to forget or actually are unaware that in Matthew 25:41, Jesus says, “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.? This verse indicates that hell is a real place of punishment for those who do not follow God’s ways.

Furthermore, in the Gospel of Mark 9:43-48, Jesus speaks about hell as a place where “the fire never goes out” and where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth.” This imagery emphasizes the eternal nature of hell and the suffering that awaits those who are condemned to it.

Elsewhere in Matthew 23:2-3, Jesus tells his followers: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.” This passage suggests that religious leaders may not always practice what they preach.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus directly addresses the issue of scriptural interpretation by saying: “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

This verse suggests that some religious leaders misinterpret or misunderstand scripture because they fail to recognize its ultimate purpose and message.

Do you say God's chastisement in only on earth for correction why then is it there that Jesus says in
Matthew 25:46: Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life?

The Bible emphasizes correction and discipline on earth as a form of chastisement from God, it also alludes to the idea that there are eternal consequences and judgments that extend beyond earthly life.

Do you claim that Earthly father's don't discipline their erring children in a loving correcting manner?

That is to say Proverbs 13:24 is the devil printer's error
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

TenQ please don't for the sake of debate peddle falsehood.

You see how your arguments are wrong with respect to the Quran verse you use.
A loving father will lovingly guide but diligently discipline a child to keep on the appropriate part.

TenQ:
If only you or your prophet or Allah know what a Spirit is you will not present this terrible argument.

A Spirit is a non-physical Living Being whose influence can be felt. The Hebrew word is Ruach (Ruh in Arabic) from the root Wind.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is an infinite Spirit. The whole of the Universe (seen and unseen) are inside Him.
Acts 17:28:
"For in him we live, and move, and have our being;...
This is why God is Omnipresent (He is EVERYWHERE in Heaven and in Universe at the same time)

Unfortunately, Allah is not a spirit: thus he has to decend to the lowest heavens and his throne is located above the highest heavens.

Throughout the Bible, God is described as omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (present everywhere), eternal (without beginning or end), loving, just, merciful, and many other attributes. These characteristics go beyond just being a spirit and demonstrate the complexity and depth of God’s nature.

Was it a spirit that wrestled with Jacob? Appeared to Abraham as 3. instances of God interacting with humanity in personal ways. From walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to speaking to prophets like Moses and Elijah, God’s interactions with people show a relational aspect that goes beyond just being a spirit.

The theologian Matthew Fox emphasizes that God is not merely a spirit but rather a dynamic energy that permeates and animates all of creation.

TenQ:
To be Born again is to Depend upon God's prescribed solution for the Solution of the infection of Sin, Becoming Gods own child and entering Paradise.

This is how Jesus defined being Born Again :
John 3:14-18:
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

To understand this, you need to go to the Torah to see what happen that Moses had to hang a bronze snake in the wilderness
Numbers 21:6-9
1. The children of Israel sinned against God
2. It led to the consequence of the Judgement of snake bites leading to death
3. The elders of Israel recognised that this snakes were judgement from God thus the asked Moses to go intercede for them with God
4. Moses pleaded the case of the Elders of Israel with God BUT God decides NOT to remove the snakes even though He forgives them.
5. God now instructs Moses:
a. Make a Bronze Snake
b. Hang it on a wooden Pole in the middle of the camp of Israel
c. The one who is bitten by the snake should come out and LOOK at the bronze snake
d. Because such a person Believes in the SOLUTION provided by God, such a person would not perish but LIVE!

Jesus said:
Just as Moses hung a serpent in the wilderness, so also He would be hung on the tree. If ANYONE believes in God's solution and instruction, such would enter Paradise.
This is the person who is Born Again.
Eternal separation from God has passed over him because such is given a new Life.

The consequence is that such a person is SEALED with God's Spirit (thus making him a child of God)
John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

A person who is Born Again is required to produce the fruit of a changed Life in
1. Love for God and Love for his neighbour
2. Living a life of Purity and Service to God

If these fruit is lacking in the life of any Christian, one should doubt his claim of being Born Again

Because Jesus said:
Mat 7:15-18,20-21:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. … Why by their fruits you shall know them. Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
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So much literature yet you didn't give an absolute definition of Born again. 🤔😓😥

In John 3:3-7 Jesus says to Nicodemus: “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” Nicodemus is confused by this statement, thinking it means being physically born a second time. Jesus clarifies that he is talking about a spiritual rebirth, saying, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.”

The idea of being born again is central to Christian belief and is associated with [b]conversion, repentance, and a new life in Christ. [/b]It signifies a transformation of the individual’s heart and soul through faith in Jesus Christ. This spiritual rebirth is seen as essential for salvation and eternal life according to Christian doctrine.

Note conversion stated first here. Conversion from polytheism, disobedience, immorality etc. Then repentance in the sense of acknowledging wrong doing and keeping away from such. The new life Christians stems from having faith in Jesus and following his teachings to be righteous.

Seems I conceptualized this better than you or didn't I?

Will need to answer the rest in a follow up. So many attachments to each point.

ANTlISLAM:
Tell your chief imam to help you out on the screenshot

Didn't I show you before?

Ohyoudidnt:
فَإِن
fa-in
So if
كُنتَ
kunta
you are
فِي
fi
in
شَكّٖ
shakkin
doubt
مِّمَّآ
mimma
of what
أَنزَلۡنَآ
anzalna
We have revealed
إِلَيۡكَ
ilayka
to you
فَسۡـَٔلِ
fasali
then ask
ٱلَّذِينَ
alladhina
those who
يَقۡرَءُونَ
yaqrauna
(have been) reading
ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ
al-kitaba
the Book
مِن
min
before you
قَبۡلِكَۚ
qablika
before you
لَقَدۡ
laqad
Verily
جَآءَكَ
jaaka
has come to you
ٱلۡحَقُّ
al-haqu
the truth
مِن
min
from
رَّبِّكَ
rabbika
your Lord
فَلَا
fala
so (do) not
تَكُونَنَّ
takunanna
be
مِنَ
mina
among
ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ
al-mum'tarina
the doubters
٩٤
فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّۢ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ

ANTIIISLAM kindly show the word that translates to Bible and if you like call TENQ and SIRTEE15 who seem to redefine the Arabic language.

Did you consider these verses along with your misconception of Quran 10:94?

Have you done research on the age of Mary the mother of Yeshua peace be on both of them? The latter you call Jesus.

By your standards it's wrong for her to her had a child before the age of 20. Do fact check.

Show me the arabic equivalent for Bible and stop trying to force falsehood about the Quran

ANTlISLAM:
So which scripture is the above Arabic talking about?

Obviously a wannabe Christian apologists or apolegetic says things he doesn't know.
Do you not see this in Quran 10:94?

فَاِنۡ كُنۡتَ فِىۡ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَيۡكَ فَسۡــَٔلِ الَّذِيۡ يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَمِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ الۡحَقُّ مِنۡ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوۡنَنَّ مِنَ الۡمُمۡتَرِيۡنَۙ‏

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you read arabic? Do you know what is called transliteration?
يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ

Highlighted at least you can appreciate similar letters. Someone who doesn't know following and copying. Mr follow open eye and open sense please.

ANTlISLAM:
Shey na super story we dey write here?

You now deny the tales you are hopelessly trying to tell on what you don't know. Show the exact arabic for Bible in Quran 10:94 you hopelessly cannot and your brethren who I called on your behalf can't either.

ANTlISLAM:
IMPORTANT NOTICE

Please tell your chief imam or emir to help you out on the below screenshot

Too elementary. Didn't I even give you a word for word translation earlier on?

Ohyoudidnt:
فَإِن
fa-in
So if
كُنتَ
kunta
you are
فِي
fi
in
شَكّٖ
shakkin
doubt
مِّمَّآ
mimma
of what
أَنزَلۡنَآ
anzalna
We have revealed
إِلَيۡكَ
ilayka
to you
فَسۡـَٔلِ
fasali
then ask
ٱلَّذِينَ
alladhina
those who
يَقۡرَءُونَ
yaqrauna
(have been) reading
ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ
al-kitaba
the Book
مِن
min
before you
قَبۡلِكَۚ
qablika
before you
لَقَدۡ
laqad
Verily
جَآءَكَ
jaaka
has come to you
ٱلۡحَقُّ
al-haqu
the truth
مِن
min
from
رَّبِّكَ
rabbika
your Lord
فَلَا
fala
so (do) not
تَكُونَنَّ
takunanna
be
مِنَ
mina
among
ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ
al-mum'tarina
the doubters
٩٤
فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّۢ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ

ANTIIISLAM kindly show the word that translates to Bible and if you like call TENQ and SIRTEE15 who seem to redefine the Arabic language.

Did you consider these verses along with your misconception of Quran 10:94?

Have you done research on the age of Mary the mother of Yeshua peace be on both of them? The latter you call Jesus.

By your standards it's wrong for her to her had a child before the age of 20. Do fact check.

Confidently spewing baseless and fraudulent statements. I guess this is how you went about corrupting your books.

Breaking news! It won't work here.

ANTlISLAM:
Tell your chief imam or emir to help you out on this

Interprete the verse you screenshot here and show the arabic word or phrase for Bible.

SIRTee15:
Let me ask U a question . Is it that when people bring evidence here U don't read it or U refuse to accept it the reality.

I already brought here evidence that the Hebrew bible is called the Torah. Yet U continue in your ignorant delusion repeating the same thing over and over as if they change anything.
The Jews called their book Torah. Why are U challenging them.

Which definition of the Torah is absolutely correct?

TenQ:
Do you contest the fact that a binded copy of several books is a BOOK (singular)?
Why do you think Allah calls the Jews and Christians people of the Book (singular) rather than people of the Books (plural)?

Is Allah wrong just like me?


Do you know that you have just accused Allah of not being able to protect his books?

Quran 6:114-115
Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

Who sent down the Book to us Jews and Christians?
How do we know the truth when our truths (from our book) are corrupted?

Quran 18:27
And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.

The Question is: What is the Book of Allah? Is it Only the Quran!?



According to Quran 2:40-41 ,
How can the book of Allah be corrupted if the message of the Quran is to CONFIRM that which is with the Jews and Christians?

According to Quran 2:87-89 ,
We can establish that Allah gave his words in Books to Moses and Jesus
We can also establish that these Books confirm that which is with US the Jews and Christians!
How then is the Books of Allah corrupted?


It is undeniable that the verses Qur'an 2:41 , Qur'an 2:89 and Qur'an 2:101 prove that the supposed word of Allah is still WITH us


It is not the similarities in the Scriptures that matter sir, it is the differences!

1. The Bible says that God is our Father!
Do you agree with this?
2. The Bible Says that God is a Spirit!
Do you agree with this?
3. The Bible says that Jesus died on the Cross, He was Buried and He resurrected on the third day and He rose to Heaven in the presence of his disciples!
Do you agree with this?
4. The Bible says that Unless a person is Born Again, he cannot enter or see paradise!
Do you agree with this?
We can go on and on with the differences

Rice and Beans with Plantain, Fish , Meat and Salad is excellent food until a pinch of Poison is Added!
You will agree with me that it is not the rice nor the fish nor the meat nor the plantain nor the salad that matters but the Poison added to the excellent food!
Such is Islam sir.

Islam removes the essence of
1. Sacrifice for the atonement of sin for a people
2. The Messiah as the ransom for our guilt of sin against God
Islam says: Don't follow the doctrine of the Messiah BUT instead follow the doctrine of Mohammed

God is a Spirit but Islam denies this, and in the quest of pure monotheism, created another God for themselves not different from capability than satan himself

If you can only ask yourself the Question:
Why did Allah make the Messiah different from all humanity? What was his goal or purpose?
The true answer will lead you to paradise!

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Ok.

1. In regards to the concept of father is this different from the position of a fatherly creator and protector not biological?

Is this not but the concept of God as Father in a symbolic, national way? The term “father” is used to describe God’s role as the creator and protector of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:6, where Moses sings to the Israelites: “Is not He your Father who bought you? He made you and established you.” Here, God is depicted as the one who purchased and created the Israelites, signifying His role as their divine father.

Is there not an attempt to exaggerate the position of the father? A reason why the priests and elders were pertubed with the Biblical claim of Jesus calling God his father in a way that was outside their understanding?

Do you not understand the soothing God gave David in 2 Samuel 7
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands.
(Is God being a father to Solomon as David is/was to him?)

15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you

You emphasise the differences such as the people of old were one and united until some knowledge came to some and they started to compete and grow arrogant to one another.

In anycase does Islam and Muhammad not proclaim a singular omnipotent omnipresent creator supreme being?
One who created and sustains the world with all in and about it. The plants, animals, the land, rocks etc as well as weather alterations.

Is there no similitude in reports of the prophets and people of old such as Adam, Noah, Moses, Joseph, David, John the Baptist, the virgin birth of Jesus?

The existence of hell and heaven?

The indisputable coming of a judgement

The rewards and rebukes for disobedience and immorality in negation to divine guidance


2. You limit and insult your God by calling him just a spirit? Isn't God far beyond that or you prefer this spirit living and carried about in tents

2 Samuel 7:
6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling.

Your god dwells in a carry about tent like a wandering homeless?


Yes a point of irrefutable dispute that also divides you Christians from the religious practices and tradition of the Jews which Jesus asked you to obey?
A historically unverifiable claim of a resurrection despite the scripture clearly stating it's appointed for man to die once? Inconsistent biblical accounts or the death of the anointed in order to promote him to a god partner in a weird move to polytheist belief?

4. What really does it mean to be Born again? Kindly explain so I can respond.

What doctrine did Jesus preach that is at variance with Muhammad's pbuh?

Did he not say hear o Israel your God is one;Mark 12:29, and go on to state that no laws of God in the Torah will be abolished?

When a pure substance is adulterated does it mean nothing of the original substance remains?

TenQ:
Since you called me back into this:
The Bible is a single Book which is a compilation of several Books or Scrolls.
Is it untrue that A book is a Binded Copy of Writings?

If you think I am wrong, can you explain why Allah call us (Jews and Christians) people of the Book (singular) rather than people of the Books (plural)?

It seems Allah and I are guilty of the same forgetfulness: LOL!
BTW "ta biblia" means literally "the Books" where the word "ta" translates roughly to "the"

You accept that "ta biblia" means literally "the Books" where the word "ta" translates roughly to "the" but remain adamant that the Bible is a single book comprising SEVERAL BOOKS?

TenQ:
Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?

Context please. Do you ignore that Q2:40 translates to mean O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill (your obligations to) My Covenant (with you) so that I fulfill (My Obligations to) your covenant (with Me), and fear none but Me

before

And believe in what I have sent down (this Quran), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone. (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page)

اَنۡزَلۡتُ,anzaltu,I have sent down

Q2:87>And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed

Q2:88>And they say, "Our hearts are wrapped (i.e. do not hear or understand Allah's Word)." Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe

before Q2:89>And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers

DOES THE QURAN NOT CONFIRM THE ONENESS OF ALLAH,THE AFTERLIFE,STORIES AND MESSAGES OF THE PREVIOUS PROPHETS?


And Q2:101:And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah (i.e. Muhammad Peace be upon him) confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the Scripture threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know

Are you not persistently stating and arguing that Allah forbid prophet Muhammad pbuh and Allah lies and so many other despicable claims?

ANTlISLAM:
This is not Arabic, hope fasting is not affecting you?

Can you read arabic? Do you know what is called transliteration?

يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ

ANTlISLAM:
I have screenshot Quran 10:94 by Irving & Mohamed Hegab, I believe you see the picture?


I've done that even before you typed this maybe allah has blindfolded you to see the screenshot

The screenshot says Irving & Mohamed Hegab; do you ask why?

Do you know Irving (Dr T.B Irving) first compiled his translations before Mohammed Hegab came to revise It?

ANTlISLAM:
So as I am packaging the atrocities of you pedophile messenger you still don't like it abi?


Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64

Muhammad married whom to be his great grand daughter, will you allow your dad to follow Muhammad's steps?

Simply stated are young marriages still not going today? I asked you what the age of Mary was when she bore Jesus you state the Bible doesn't say and are satisfied. Is the Bible the sole authority of knowledge and the one you are too embarrassed to answer is what teenage is and if 6 years qualifies as teenage?

You refuse to confirm Mary was a young teenager when she gave birth to Jesus because you have labelled teenage implicitly as too young to marry or bare children.

SIRTee15:
All claim have been debunked. You are just stubborn and obstinate.

I brought evidence here that the Hebrew bible is also called the Torah. Torah means law and Jews believe the commandments of God continues beyond Moses and follows the saying of other prophets which must also be obeyed.

That's why they called their Hebrew bible Torah.
I brought the evidence here, what else do U want me to do.

Leave aside what Jesus said to the Pharisees. That's not the point here.

Jesus himself quoted the law of Moses extensively. He tells people “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ Matt
5.21

This shows Jesus and his followers both read the SAME TORAH. That's why he's telling them, 'You have heard'

Now my question is the Torah available in the synagogue during the time of Jesus that everybody including Jesus was reading...is it the true Torah or the corrupted Torah.

You are not ready to answer my question, and the thing don dey tire me.

This topic is about Tawhid so I want to ask about Tawhid.

To Muslims pls clarify.....
Can I worship the shin of Allah. If Allah is one, why can't I worship the shin of Allah.

What?

The Hebrew Bible, also known as Mikra (“what is read”) or TaNaKh, an acronym referring to the traditional Jewish division of the Bible into Torah (Teaching), Nevi’im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings), is the founding document of the people of Israel, describing its origins, history and visions of a just society.

The word Bible, from the Greek, ta biblia(attention Tenq who forgot the ta), is plural and means “books.” This reflects the fact that the Bible is actually a collection of individual books (such as Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah, Song of Songs, and many others).

Enoch is believed to have existed before Moses based on biblical accounts, the compilation of his book after the Torah can be attributed to various factors related to canonization, theological emphasis, and historical context.

The process of canonization in Judaism and Christianity involved careful selection and recognition of certain texts as authoritative scripture. The Torah, being foundational to both faiths, was given priority in terms of inclusion in the biblical canon.

Also the he content and themes of Enoch’s book may not have aligned completely with the theological perspectives and teachings that were emphasized in the Torah. This could have influenced its later compilation and acceptance within certain religious traditions.

In summation the historical context in which these texts were written and compiled also played a role. The Torah was foundational to Israelite religion and identity, while Enoch’s book may have been seen as more esoteric or specialized in nature.