 Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 8:38pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:
Mary condition was not same with Aisha
So rest
Aisha was engaged at age 6 and had sex (child sex) at age 9
Mary well knew the scriptures
She was to become mother to Jesus
She traveled on her own to visit Elizabeth Poorly but widely spread lie. When was the age of Aisha recorded before or after her own death? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 8:31pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Lawag3:
Oh you've got me😂 or so you think.
Then [Jesus] said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me?”
John 5:18
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
It is common knowledge that the Jews killed Jesus because he called God father and called himself God . By literally saying me and God are the same you've seen me you've seen God.
Bible > John > Chapter 14 > Verse 9
◄ John 14:9 ►
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New International Version
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?
English Standard Version
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Berean Standard Bible
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Berean Literal Bible
Jesus says to him, "Am I with you so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one having seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
New King James Version
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
New American Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
NASB 1995
Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father ‘?
NASB 1977
Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Legacy Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all so long and have you not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Amplified Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and you do not know Me yet, Philip, nor recognize clearly who I am? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’
Christian Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time and you do not know me, Philip? The one who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father?
American Standard Version
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua said to him, “All this time I am with you and you have not known me Phillip? Whoever has seen me has seen The Father, and how do you say, 'Show us The Father'?”
Contemporary English Version
Jesus replied: Philip, I have been with you for a long time. Don't you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father?
Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
English Revised Version
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus replied, "I have been with all of you for a long time. Don't you know me yet, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Good News Translation
Jesus answered, "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why, then, do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
International Standard Version
"Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me?" Jesus asked him. "The person who has seen me has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Literal Standard Version
Jesus says to him, “Such [a] long time am I with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; and how do you say, Show to us the Father?
Majority Standard Bible
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
New American Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
NET Bible
Jesus replied, "Have I been with you for so long, and you have not known me, Philip? The person who has seen me has seen the Father! How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
New Revised Standard Version
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
New Heart English Bible
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, and still you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father?'
Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus saith to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Weymouth New Testament
"Have I been so long among you," Jesus answered, "and yet you, Philip, do not know me? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can *you* ask me, 'Cause us to see the Father'?
World English Bible
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, ‘Show us the Father?’
Young's Literal Translation
Jesus saith to him, 'So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how dost thou say, Shew to us the Father?
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The Way, the Truth, and the Life
…8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.…
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Cross References
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 8:19
"Where is Your Father?" they asked Him. "You do not know Me or My Father," Jesus answered. "If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well."
John 12:45
And whoever sees Me sees the One who sent Me.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true--in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Treasury of Scripture
Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?
Have.
Mark 9:19
He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.
he.
John 14:7,20
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him…
John 12:45
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
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John 14
1. Jesus comforts his disciples with the hope of heaven;
5. professes himself the way, the truth, and the life, and one with the Father;
13. assures their prayers to be effectual;
15. requires obedience;
16. promises the Comforter;
27. and leaves his peace with them
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(9) Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?--More exactly, . . . hast thou not recognised Me, as in John 14:7. Comp. the reference in John 14:8, from which it will be seen that Philip was one of the first-called disciples, and had occupied a prominent position in the band of Apostles. There is in our Lord's words a tone of sadness and of warning. They utter the loneliness of a holiness and greatness which is not understood. The close of life is at hand, and Philip, who had followed Him from the first, shows by this question that he did not even know what the work and purposes of that life had been. They speak to all Christian teachers, thinkers, workers. There is a possibility that men should be in the closest apparent nearness to Christ, and yet have never learnt the meaning of the words they constantly hear and utter; and have never truly known the purpose of Christ's life.
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.--Comp. Note on John 14:7, and Philip's own answer to Nathanael, "Come and see" (John 1:46). The demand of Philip is one which is constantly being read, and the answer is one that constantly holds good. Men are ever thinking and saying, "Shew us the Father and it sufficeth us." "Give us something in religion upon which the soul can rest. We are weary of the doubts, and strifes, and dogmas which are too often called religion. We want something which can be real food for the soul. We cannot feed upon the husks which the swine do eat; and we believe that in the Father's house there is, even for the hired servants, bread enough and to spare. We are not irreligious, but we are impatient of what is put before us as religion. Give us truth! Give us life! Let it be free and open as the air of heaven, and we will gladly accept it, embrace it, live it." All this is the heart of the child seeking the presence of the Father. That Father has been manifested in the person of the Son. In the Life and Truth revealed in Him is the full revelation of God. In Him is the Bread of Life to satisfy every want of every man. He that hath seen Him hath seen the Father. How then can men say, Shew us the Father? (Comp. Note on John 12:44-45.) . . .
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So what's Mohammed promise of salvation to you Moslem. In ancient Judaism, it was not uncommon for individuals to refer to God as their father. In fact, the Old Testament contains several instances of individuals addressing God as their father, such as in the book of Isaiah, where the prophet declares, “You, O Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name” (Isaiah 63:16). Therefore, the fact that Jesus called God his father was not inherently blasphemous or worthy of death according to Jewish law. The narrative in the New Testament suggests that the Jewish religious leaders saw Jesus as a threat to their authority and sought to eliminate him through the Roman legal system. The high priest Caiaphas, in particular, is portrayed as the driving force behind Jesus' crucifixion. In the Gospel of John, Caiaphas is quoted as saying, "it is better for one man to die for the people than for the whole nation to perish" (John 11:50), indicating his willingness to sacrifice Jesus for the greater good of the Jewish community. The passage in John 14:9-11 where Jesus states, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father,” does not necessarily imply a Trinitarian understanding. Rather, it emphasizes the unity between Jesus and the Father in purpose, character, and representation. It signifies that Jesus perfectly reflects the nature and will of God the Father, making Him the visible manifestation of the invisible God. This statement highlights their unity and oneness in essence rather than suggesting they are interchangeable or identical persons within a Trinitarian framework. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 7:41pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.
Beliefs of Arianism
Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.
The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 7:09pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:
Jesus did not equate himself to God
He said he's God's representative, God's son, God's messenger and came to do God's will
He himself said the Father is greater than himself
Mary was not a child, she was a woman... Her age is not specified tho but she was not a child
One reference says that Rebecca was likely 3 - 14 years when she married Isaac... That's nonsense Do your research on Mary's age. What age do you associate with womanhood? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 5:33pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Aemmyjah:
Mary was already engaged to Joseph
Does the Bible always mention the age of women when they marry or gave birth?
Mary, when she received the news did not show amazement about her age.
She only said that how could it be that she's pregnant when she's not yet had sexual relationship?
Why will Allah be degraded so low as to mate with his creation? May this remain forbidden.
She even traveled on her own to see Elizabeth and stayed there few months...
Mary did not mate
STOP putting emphasis that Jesus, being God's son means he had sex with Mary
Gabriel said it was by means of Holy Spirit
The One who created the womb to bear children is able to make it bear a child without the fusion of gametes... Today one can carry a child without having sex... We also have surrogacy
Jehovah simply transferred the life of Jesus into Mary's womb
Adam is also addressed as God's son by Luke... Did God mate with anyone to produce him? Good write up however you miss the point of my last statement. Islam honours and respects Mary and her offspring Isa a.s is honoured too. Notwithstanding in honoring Isa a.s whom you call Jesus we don't go to excesses in equating him to God. Mary's age is not mentioned but that of others were however there are other records that point to her age |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 4:13pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
Very funny...confused worshipers of a composite god questioning trinity.
The audacity!!!
Allah has a shin that shouldn't be worshipped. Yet Muslims will bow to the shin of Allah on judgement day.
The shin of Allah is intrinsic to Allah but not body parts of Allah. Then what is it?
Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him.
Sahih al- bukhari 7349
If believers will worship the shin on judgement day why can't I start now?
Tawhid in the mud.
U guys should first sort out the body parts of your Allah and be certain he's actually one and single as U claim. Then we can discuss trinity. Hadith hold significant value as a source of guidance and understanding in Islam but their interpretation should be approached with caution, scholarly scrutiny, and contextual awareness to ensure their relevance and applicability. The Shin signifies a moment of divine unveiling or manifestation where believers are able to acknowledge and prostrate before Allah in complete submission and reverence. It holds symbolic significance. Interpreting the Shin of Allah literally, as a physical body part akin to human anatomy, may lead to anthropomorphism or attributing human-like qualities to the divine being. The Shin of Allah is symbolic or metaphorical, representing aspects such as power, authority, or manifestation of divine will. These interpretations emphasize the spiritual and abstract nature of Allah’s attributes without reducing them to mere physical characteristics. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 4:02pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Lawag3:
The only person born of no man. The Quran gives Jesus the attributes of Allah. I could show you then you'll say he did all those by the permission of Allah.
Jesus in the Bible called himself God in many instances. Promise Christians that where he is he will be also. So you know all what Jesus did was by the leave of Allah then why do you equate him to Allah. Is this far from the Arian view that he was created and not equal to the creator? Show me Jesus expressly calling himself God from your Bible please |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 3:23pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Lawag3:
I agree with you. But Jesus wasn't an ordinary man Elijah was just a Man. Elijah wasn't prophecied about Jesus was.
And since Jesus is God he can forgive sins he is compassionate towards the whole of humanity including you even as you reject him. He knows you Elijah did not. He is sinless Elijah was not. He loves you very deeply that he abandoned his status as God to be a Man so he could died for you.
If you take me up on my offer of a civil discussion I could explain more and we will compare and contrast. There again you jumble it all up. Jesus is not ordinary as he has no human father but is still born of a woman by the grace of God. John the Baptist was known for preparing the way for Jesus Christ. His arrival was prophesied in the Old Testament by the prophet Isaiah, who described him as “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight” (Isaiah 40:3). The prophet Malachi also prophesied about Elijah’s return before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. In Malachi 4:5-6, it is written, “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. Jesus is not God. In the concept of the father he acknowledges one who is greater thanjil |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 3:09pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
Your screen shot didn't answer my question.
Is the shin of Allah intrinsic to Allah or separate from him. That's my question.
You just repeated the answer to my initial question which is cani worship the shin of Allah? And U already said no. So why repeating the answer.
Anyway from the screenshot, it seems U agree the shin of Allah is intrinsic to allah- correct me if I'm wrong.
That means Allah's form or shape has a physical attribute called shin that doesn't share in his deity- the very reason he's God. That's why we can't worship the shin.
This automatically mean Allah is a composite being- he'd made up of parts. That's what U guys don't understand.
Allah has parts but he's not that part. Allah has a shin but he's not the shin.
Above is the definition of composite and that's the description of your god.
This automatically means Allah is not one or single in his entire being because his deity as God is not uniformly distributed within him.
There are some intrinsic physical attributes of Allah that can be cut off permanently and he will still be Allah. i.e Allah can be divided and no harm will come to the deity.
Allah as God is neither single nor one.
Tawhid is a false concept and doesn't make sense.
Simple. You are still not getting anything. What is it you worship of God? If all comes from God and all is a manifestation of the majesty of God. Allah is all encompassing. Allah is Al-Muheet— All-Encompassing, The All-Pervading. Al-Muheet encompasses the whole creation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 1:15pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Lawag3:
The mercy of human being and the mercy of God are two different things.
Ok let's do it this way.
We'll both discuss the promise of salvation in both the Quran and Bible. We'll discuss how the Jesus and Mohammed talk about the promise of salvation.
You'll tell me the promise of salvation from the Quran and what you know of the promise of salvation from the Bible. I'll do same. And both of us will correct any misunderstanding in a civil and respectable way only speaking the truth.
Do you agree. Do you limit the showing of mercy to the prophets and exclude the guidance and will of the almighty? Elijah, considered one of the greatest Old Testament prophets, displayed mercy through his interactions with others. Despite his powerful demonstrations of God’s strength and judgment upon idolatry, Elijah also showed compassion and mercy towards those in need. His plea for God to take his life when he felt defeated was met with nourishment, rest, a new mission, and reassurance from the Lord. Elijah’s life reflects how reliance on God can lead to fulfillment of needs and a renewed sense of purpose. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 12:45pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
advocatejare:
The nincompoop thinks that he can turn people to brainless zombies like himself who will continue to deny the truth in the presence of irrefutable evidences.
They accept all the other Hadith narrated by Aisha but when she told them her real age and the age at which the pedophile started sleeping with her, they want us to reject that.
Anytime one of them wants to practice pedophilia like Muhammad did, that is the same Hadith he will use to back up his shameful act, but the liar is here trying to do Taqiyya for us!
Muhammad was a pedophile! Perhaps but you still haven't said what the council of Ephesus was about? You claim my submissions are false and fail to say what it was. advocatejare:
Before I respond to you, you have to admit that you lied that the First Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D was about the trinity that comprise God, Jesus and Mary.
Then you have to accept that your Quran lied by claiming that Christians say that trinity included : God, Jesus and Mary!
It’s time we started holding you people accountable to your words Do you state that this council has nothing to do with the thorough cooking of the lie you call trinity in Christendom? Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.
Beliefs of Arianism
Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.
The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 12:31pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
Dsimmer:
The snake represent the law while the death of Jesus or the cross represent mercy at the face of the law. The Hebrews sinned in the forest thus were punished for their actions however were later pardoned and healed while looking at the snake lifted up on the cross. So it meant they obtained mercy regardless of their sin. That is, they obtained mercy at the face of the law, represented by the snake which represents the law. The death and resurrection of Jesus which is represented by the cross, signifies mercy/salvation at the face of the law. That was exactly what Paul was saying because he was a participant of such mercy/salvation at the face of the law. However, this doesn't mean one should continue to do evil/commit crime because like Paul stated, we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound.
That being said, Jesus was indeed sent to the Hebrews, however, his salvation is meant for all. Aside that, His salvation also teaches a lesson which is, we should show mercy, especially when it's needed or warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it.
As for the OP of the thread, he dey craze like the paedophilic criminal lunatic who drank camel urine. Did other prophets before Jesus not show mercy? Was Joseph not merciful to his brothers who hated him? The wife behind his wrongful imprisonment, the former prisoner who forgot him on his release? Did David not show mercy to Saul? You clearly state that Jesus was sent to the Hebrews how did he now become the Saviour of all? He said it where and how reliable is the report saying he said so? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 12:03pm On Mar 31, 2024 |
[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=129197061][/quote]When a bias creates a limiting thought how can new information get through?
You believe so strongly in your understanding of how God created man in his own image which automatically inclines you to think of man shaped God. Probably complicated with the eccess of seeing a person born without a father in Jesus who you wrongly promote to be God.
None is like Allah and nothing is comparable to him.
Take off the bounds with which you limit your thoughts. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 11:59am On Mar 31, 2024 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 11:54am On Mar 31, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
U didn't answer my question if the shin of Allah is with Allah or separate from him.
If U did, screenshot your response otherwise U are a liar.
Failure to answer means your god is a composite being. Allah made up of body parts. Simple. 
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| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 8:17am On Mar 31, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
A Muslim trying to give exegesis of the bible. U go fear.
But wouldn't explain why I can't worship the shin of Allah.
Oga explain to me is the shin of Allah with Allah or separate from Allah.
Otherwise U guys are worshipping a composite god.
A god made up of body parts. Your Allah is derived from different body parts. When answered your closed thinking prevents you from seeing anything else. You were adequately answered and it's not my fault you don't understand or pretend not to understand. It is your understanding or lack of. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 8:15am On Mar 31, 2024 |
MightySparrow:
Your presentation is too sketchy. Dó more research. The historical background to arriving at the doctrine of Trinity is not as simple as you present. Do more research and represent it.
This kind of presentation leaves people more confused than the information you intend to pass across.
I held such views before reading an edition of Awake in the 90s until last year, am exjw made a documentary on it on your and I went to read further to discover that most presentations are to win arguments not the truth.
One fellow also has given details on this platform.
Don't be offended my friend.
Biko. I deliberately didn't put all details hoping to get a strong rebuttal why it isn't so yet. The fact that Arianism still exists today shows how much they weren't convinced otherwise or coerced to believe otherwise. SIRTee15:
Arian theology makes it clear that Jesus is the begotten son of the father. According to Arianism, Jesus is derived from the Logos which is an attribute of the God the father.
Arianism taught that the Logos was a divine being begotten by God the Father before the creation of the world, made him a medium through whom everything else was created.
As I said earlier, U don't know what I talking about. U muslims are just clutching at straws to validate your weak islamic theology.
That was how U guys believe ebionites were the true followers of Christ until that claim was bursted.
Meanwhile explain to me when did Jews start calling Ezra the son of God.
Since U can't explain to me how your Allah is a composite being, a god made of body parts. Oh boy stand well. Arian theology says Jesus is only begotten son that was created and is not a co-creator with God. For Arius and his followers, Jesus is considered a created being who is not eternal and is not equal to the divine. This belief contrasts with the traditional Christian view of the Trinity, where Jesus is seen as co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father. To Arians there was a time when Jesus was not,” indicating that Arians believe there was a time before which the Son existed. This perspective leads them to reject the term “homoousios,” meaning “of one substance” with the Father, as they argue that it is not scripturally supported. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 3:01am On Mar 31, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
Only God knows what bible this guy reads.
John 1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
John 1.18
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
The question is do U have this verses in your bible. Note I said bible not Koran. Don't confuse the 2. Are Logos and God 1 and the same? No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known” (John 1:18). This passage emphasizes that Jesus has revealed God to humanity. This is to say making those around him conscious and respectful od the almighty Advising to live in obedience of the divine |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 2:52am On Mar 31, 2024 |
MightySparrow:
Hehehehe.
Usual rhetorics.
Take history texts and study the arguments.
The OP is as lazy as his post. Text you are unable or too lazy to present? Probably you aren't sure yourself! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 2:50am On Mar 31, 2024 |
Eusebius of Caesarea interpreted John 1:1 as two distinct persons in this verse - God and the Logos (Word), suggesting a subordinationist understanding where only one could represent ultimate reality. This nuanced interpretation reflects Eusebius’ theological position within the broader Arian controversy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 10:05pm On Mar 30, 2024*. Modified: 10:41pm On Jul 16, 2024 |
Is it not true that at the First Council of Nicaea in 325AD, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey), was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions.? He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being.
Is it not true that the emphasis that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325?
Is it untrue that this council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief?
Was it declared in the scriptures prior to this time that Jesus is of the same substance as God? |
| Christianity Etc › How Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism. Is Trinity a monotheist principle? by Ohyoudidnt(op): 8:37pm On Mar 30, 2024*. Modified: 11:21am On Jul 15, 2024 |
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.
Beliefs of Arianism
Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.
The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 7:59pm On Mar 30, 2024 |
Dsimmer:
It just proves how stupidily shameless you're like the peadophilic criminal lunatic Mohammed who drank camel's urine. Aisha confirmed by herself that she was 9 yrs old. If you're not a stupid lunatic, can you tell us if you will allow anyone to get intimate with your 9yrs child? How's 9yrs not a child? You dey craze?
On Jesus, he wasn't conceived through penetration, hence I don't know what you're arguing about exactly. You dey craze? Meanwhile, no one can confirm Mary's age However, one fact we know is Elizabeth called Mary a woman. In fact, children are always separated from adults in the scripture. Jesus for example often separated children from adults by constantly laying emphasis on their littleness. Unfortunately this is a lie told for centuries by enemies of Islam. This too was brought up when I reminded one of your ilk how the pillars of Christian belief were concocted at the council of Ephesus in 413AD. Rather than address what the council was about which he accuses me of dishonesty on by presenting alterior narration of what happened he resort to slander. Truth be told the lies this Christianity is built on won't stand. On Mary you make a stupid argument that she didn't mate but was she spared gestation and labour to deliver? How do some Jews wrongly view her with some alleging unspeakables. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 3:14pm On Mar 30, 2024 |
Dsimmer:
What gibberish are you saying exactly? That a 9 yrs isn't a child? You dey craze?
You're as stupidly shameless as the peadophilic criminal lunatic that drank camel urine while imagining a useless brothel in heaven. Sadly you and your ilk follow a lie but unfortunately no matter how long it's told; a lie remains nothing but a lie. Despite the hadith claims, Aisha was not a child and was at least a teenager. I have challenged to be clarified on the age of Mary when she bore Jesus yet your ilk hide behind it not being mentioned. Historical records say 12-16 with a much older Joseph who had children from his older marriages. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 5:57am On Mar 29, 2024 |
Dsimmer:
It's the truth though.
Peadophilic criminal terrorist Mohammed got his Islam idea from the chunk of Christianity preached to him by the brother of his first wife however, he added his stupidity to it, such as drinking camel urine and all sorts of nonsense such as his imaginary perverted brothel heaven. Also added his criminality such as stealing other people's land heritage which the Arabs had wanted to continue until they were dealt with by the Europeans. Dsimmer:
You're just as shameless as the peadophilic perverted criminal Mohammed. What exactly are you arguing about exactly? How is a 9 yrs old not a child? Or the unhealthy camel urine drinking nonsense by the lunatic? advocatejare:
They are all ashamed of the pedophile they refer to as the best example to them, now they want to lie that Aisha had reached puberty at the age the pedophile married her. Even their Hadith agreed that Aisha was still a prepubertal girl and that was why she was allowed to play with dolls which was forbidden in Islam to female who have entered puberty.
But you can trust Islamist, they lie more than satan himself
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
Narrated "Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)(Fath-ul-Bari
page 143, Vol. 13) Sahih al-Bukhari 476 Narrated `Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet pbuh visited us, both in the mornings and evenings. My father Abu Bakr thought of building a mosque in the courtyard of his house and he did so. He used to pray and recite the Qur'an in it. The pagan women and their children used to stand by him and look at him with surprise. Abu Bakr was a Softhearted person and could not help weeping while reciting the Qur'an. The chiefs of the Quraish pagans became afraid of that (i.e. that their children and women might be affected by the recitation of Qur'an). حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ بُكَيْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ عُقَيْلٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي عُرْوَةُ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّ عَائِشَةَ، زَوْجَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَتْ لَمْ أَعْقِلْ أَبَوَىَّ إِلاَّ وَهُمَا يَدِينَانِ الدِّينَ، وَلَمْ يَمُرَّ عَلَيْنَا يَوْمٌ إِلاَّ يَأْتِينَا فِيهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم طَرَفَىِ النَّهَارِ بُكْرَةً وَعَشِيَّةً، ثُمَّ بَدَا لأَبِي بَكْرٍ فَابْتَنَى مَسْجِدًا بِفِنَاءِ دَارِهِ، فَكَانَ يُصَلِّي فِيهِ وَيَقْرَأُ الْقُرْآنَ، فَيَقِفُ عَلَيْهِ نِسَاءُ الْمُشْرِكِينَ، وَأَبْنَاؤُهُمْ يَعْجَبُونَ مِنْهُ وَيَنْظُرُونَ إِلَيْهِ، وَكَانَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ رَجُلاً بَكَّاءً لاَ يَمْلِكُ عَيْنَيْهِ إِذَا قَرَأَ الْقُرْآنَ، فَأَفْزَعَ ذَلِكَ أَشْرَافَ قُرَيْشٍ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ. You see she had attained puberty in her father's house before Marriage. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:03pm On Mar 28, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
Thank U very much for your boldness in answering the question.
But I'm not interested in your sermon. Keep it for the mosque.
Now that U have answered the question, your response leads to bigger problem. Remember we dealing with Tawhid here.
Is the shin of Allah separate from Allah or is with Allah.
Are we going to see the shin of Allah separate from him or we will see the shin with Allah.
The will believers recognised Allah when they see his shin. Is that shin one with Allah or separate from him. Reservations to a rather uncouth response. I gave you a detailed explanation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 8:23pm On Mar 28, 2024 |
SIRTee15:
Ohyoudidn't I can see u, dont ignore my question.
Who is Allah.
I know he has a shin. Can I worship his shin?
If the answer is no, why?
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah?
Is Allah's shin not one with Allah?
So many question but no answer. Very sad Muslims can't defend Tawhid. In your living and learning you know very well that Allah is the one, omnipotent, omnipresent God that creates and sustains all for all eternity. Allah is absolute, eternal, misbegotten and non begetting. There is nothing or anyone that can be likened or compared to him. The Shin or other attributes of Allah are not like that of man. You don't worship Allah in essence but Allah himself. The awe, respect and love of Allah is what is behind bowing when only the shin is revealed. Believers will recognize Allah through the sign of the revealed shin . It is essential to understand that in Islamic theology, Allah is beyond human comprehension, and any descriptions or attributes mentioned in the Quran or Hadith are symbolic and not to be taken literally. The concept of worshipping Allah’s shin in this context symbolizes recognition and submission to the ultimate authority and power of Allah. It signifies acknowledging His sovereignty and majesty. The mention of prostration before Allah’s shin represents complete humility and obedience to the Creator. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 2:57pm On Mar 28, 2024 |
TenQ:
After you answer my questions!
Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not
Have a beautiful day Where am I mandated or compelled to answer a never satisfied questioner. Fortunately the are over 6.9 billion other people you can ask and otherwise you can do independent research. Nothing is new |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 2:08pm On Mar 28, 2024 |
Dsimmer:
It's the truth though.
Peadophilic criminal terrorist Mohammed got his Islam idea from the chunk of Christianity preached to him by the brother of his first wife however, he added his stupidity to it, such as drinking camel urine and all sorts of nonsense such as his imaginary perverted brothel heaven. Also added his criminality such as stealing other people's land heritage which the Arabs had wanted to continue until they were dealt with by the Europeans. You uninformed yet biased critics allege that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at six and married at nine, citing certain hadith texts. However, the accuracy and interpretation of these texts have been subject to debate. In seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined by puberty onset, which complicates the understanding of age norms at that time. Oxford University scholar Joshua Little conducted research challenging the historical authenticity of Aisha’s young marital age. His thesis suggests that the reports of her age were an eighth-century fabrication. Little’s findings indicate that the accusations of pedophilia against Muhammad are unfounded based on historical evidence. The portrayal of Muhammad as a pedophile is rooted in historical attacks on his character rather than factual evidence. Muhammad and Aisha’s relationship is described as loving and egalitarian in historical records, contradicting misrepresentations of their union. advocatejare:
He even allotted 16 special privileges to himself one of which is that any woman he desired to marry must be divorced by her husband for him Muhammad to marry!
A cult leader that kept snatching the wife of married people including that of his adopted son, Zaid. Jealousy and envy over what you can never have |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 11:44am On Mar 28, 2024 |
advocatejare:
How Muhammad formed Islam When confronted with undeniable truth the resort is to Vile talk. May you be guided |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:55am On Mar 28, 2024 |
TenQ:
I am not surprised at you one bit.
Islam is a religion based on Hearsay that is devoid of reason or purpose. Your copy other people's religion and adopt it as yours without understanding the purpose or its basis.
This is why you can't explain many things in your religion.
Have a nice day sir! Yeye black man forming British. Nice day indeed. Quran 39: 43. Or have they chosen intercessors other than God? Say, “Even though they have no power over anything, and are devoid of reason?” 44. Say, “All intercession is up to God. To Him belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. Then to Him you will be returned.” Quran 5326. How many an angel is there in the heavens whose intercession avails nothing, except after God gives permission to whomever He wills, and approves? You no what it means to intercede? TenQ:
It has every thing to do with Taoheed. Show or state the relation already. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Brutal, Merciless, Sadistic Prophet by Ohyoudidnt: 9:48am On Mar 28, 2024 |
advocatejare:
In short you have accepted that you lied that the First Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D was about the trinity that comprise God, Jesus and Mary. It was not about trinity, it was about naming Mary as the mother of God! Your lies are busted
On the Quran using the word trinity:
If you check your Tafsir on that surah 5:73
Tafsir Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
“They are indeed disbelievers those who say, ‘God is the third of three’, gods, that is, He is one of them, the other two being Jesus and his mother, and they [who claim this] are a Christian sect; when there is no god but the One God. If they do not desist from what they say, when they declare a trinity, and profess His Oneness, those of them who disbelieve, that is, [those] who are fixed upon unbelief, shall suffer a painful chastisement, namely, the Fire.”
Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
(Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the third of three." ) Mujahid and several others said that this Ayah was revealed about the Christians in particular. As-Suddi and others said that this Ayah was revealed about taking `Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, thus making Allah the third in a trinity As-Suddi said, "This is similar to Allah's statement towards the end of the Surah”
Neither Jesus nor Christians ever said Mary was a god with Jesus and God. But there in Quran 5:116 the author of the Quran got confused as usual to put such lies in the Quran
I won’t stop exposing your lies.
And since you refused to admit your lies about your false claim that the council of Ephesus 431 AD was about trinity when it was not, you have proven yourself to be a dishonorable person and I won’t engage you anymore until you admit that you lied!
Good riddance! You say a lot but no exact pointer to the Quran specifically saying God,Jesus and Mary are the trinity. Stop making claims you are unable to exactly defend except by becoming garrulous |
