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SIRTee15:
So the protoevangelium and infancy gospel of Thomas are apocryphal gospel. This means their authenticity is doubtful.

The were written late in the 2nd century, far removed from when Jesus or Mary lived.
The letters are forgery because they are pseudopigraphia. Neither James nor Thomas wrote the letters.
They contain strange gospel messages that were not part of the oral gospel known to the early Christian church.

So if U want to base your faith on such unreliable books that's fine, but don't come here to tell me Mary is 12 yrs old because a forged book said so.

I see we are coming to some degree of agreement. Some apocrypha are accepted and others rejected.

In any case. I pointed at age range of 12-14 for Mary. Which age do you agree with and why?

Which book or books do you say are forged ?

TenQ:
How is this a Strawman Argument.

By the way, the highlighted in yellow is False. It should read

Allah isn't everywhere due to the fact that he has to come DOWN from above the first heavens to the lowest heaven to listen to the prayers of the Muslims .


Is Allah being omnipresent akin to sending his Angels and Messanger to occupy and monitor the whole earth or universe for him (ie. God delegates his presence) ?

Principles and exactly how Allah comes down you add to your straws or fresh shoots of argument are not understood by you.

Sadly even when you get it you wouldn't accept.

Ohyoudidnt:
Kindly ascertain you aren't guilty of what you accuse another of? Think you need an independent evaluator?

TenQ:
If you are interested in the Truth
According to the Christian point of view

Fundamental knowledge
1. God is the Infinite Holy Spirit
In other words he isn't a physical being and he occupies everywhere both in the Physical and Spiritual space.
2. God is ONE :
The Only One who created Life, Things and Beings both in the Physical and Spiritual spaces. There is no partner nor assistant of God. All Power, Knowledge, Wisdom, Ability etc consists in only Him. Without Him, nothing else is.
3. It is impossible to know God beyond what God reveals of Himself to Man
Because of the infinite nature of God, it is impossible to know God beyond the limit of what He chooses to reveal to Us.
4. God is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient.
God is the God of Time, Space, Matter whether physical or spiritual and thus, He knows the past, present and future of everything both in the Physical and Spiritual spaces. God is everywhere at the same time whether in the Physical or Spiritual spaces. God is All powerful and all things physical or spiritual are entirely subject to His power and Will.
5. God's command MUST be established immediately He commands it.
God's Will is established for whatever He wills or Commands whether in the Physical realm or I. the Spiritual realm
6. God made special creatures with Free Will
All creatures given free will have the Ability to say NO to God. However, it comes with a consequence. Any Being the overrides God's will (even once) is eternally cut off from Him to God's refuse bin called Lake of Fire (Hell Fire).
[b]7. God has a Special Love for

God is infinite✓

God is infinite not multiple.

God is everywhere at the same time whether in the Physical or Spiritual spaces.

Yes this is what is meant by Omnipresence.

God isn't everywhere due to multiplicity of himself or delegation of his composition.

Omnipresent refers to the concept of being present everywhere at all times. This attribute suggests that a divine being is not confined by space or time and is able to exist in all places simultaneously.

Omnipotent signifies the possession of unlimited power and authority. An omnipotent being has the ability to do anything and everything, without limitation or constraint. This attribute conveys the idea of absolute sovereignty and control, suggesting that the divine is capable of bringing about any desired outcome through sheer force of will.

Omniscient refers to the quality of possessing infinite knowledge and wisdom. The almighty omniscient Allah has complete awareness and understanding of all things, past, present, and future. This attribute implies perfect knowledge and insight, allowing the almighty to see and comprehend everything with perfect clarity.

Omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscienc together describe a singular supreme being that is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present.

TenQ:
Did you arrive at this from your Strawman Fallacy or from the thesis of Christians. I remember that I particularly responded to you in two full pages



You asked a question!
The Question was answered!

Is this a response or what is it you don't understand?

Let's say Islam is confused by the word spirit,
1. According to Islam, is the word of Allah Created?
2. Is the Word of Allah independent of Allah and living?

Kindly ascertain you aren't guilty of what you accuse another of? Think you need an independent evaluator?

MightySparrow:
What do suppose christians don't share your views and Mohammed s?

I don't understand you. Could you rephrase and clarify what you mean?

SIRTee15:
Deuterocanonical books are old testament cannon related. Protoevangelium n gospel of Thomas are not considered deuterocanonical.

The Deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint, but not the Hebrew Bible. They are mostly included in the Catholic Old Testament, but not in the Protestant one.

advocatejare:
Muhammad was born after 431 AD, if he was trully from God, he should have talked against what the council did

Is the Quran not replete with verses emphasying monotheism?

And there is none comparable unto Him" (Surah Al-Ikhlas, 1-4)

With verses discouraging multiplicity like
In Surah An-Nisa, verse 171, it states, "O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion, nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and His Word, conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not 'Three'. Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God.

Quran 5:73
Those who say, “Allah is one in a Trinity,” have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment.

TenQ:
The question is simple: can Allah enter into his creation?

Yes or No!?

Or Do you consider it beneath his majesty?

Why should Allah enter into his creation when the creation come from him and will return to him? This should not be misconceived as being born.

SIRTee15:
I don hear U if U want hear me.
I no get strength for back and forth argument.

Ok o.

Furthermore

SIRTee15:
The source of mary's 12 yr old age was the Apocrypha protoevangelium of James and infancy gospel of Thomas, books written late in the 2nd century.
These books pushed the concept that Mary was a perpetual lifelong virgin by claiming she got pregnant very young this couldn't have known any man and Joseph was a very old man who had no physical desire of Mary thus never slept with her.

The Apocrypha, also known as the Deuterocanonical books are rejected by protestants but were part of the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament used by early Christians.

Discoveries among the Dead Sea Scrolls have revealed copies of some Deuterocanonical works, indicating that these texts were held in high regard by certain Jewish communities.

Early Christian writers such as Clement of Alexandria and Irenaeus referenced and quoted from these books as authoritative scripture, demonstrating a tradition within early Christianity that recognized their value.

Various early Church councils, including those at Rome (382 AD), Carthage (393 AD), and Hippo (397 AD), affirmed the canonicity of certain Apocryphal books, aligning with a broader acceptance within early Christian communities.

Ohyoudidnt:
@ANTIIISLAM TENQ SIRTEE15 ADVOCATEJARE MIGHTYSPARROW

What do you say?

Monotheism; Tauhid, is the belief in one singular deity as the only god where one God is a singular existence. This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity. Quite reminiscent of the joke poem composed about a bright day in the middle of the night. Quite a contradiction!

How is it that the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. wrongly established Mary as the Mother of God, affirming her title as Theotokos, which means “God-bearer?

By declaring Mary as the Mother of God at the Council of Ephesus, the Church aimed to establish a further lie about Yeshua Christos.
Christos is a Greek derived name from the word "hrio" meaning "to anoint".

In Christian tradition, to anoint means to ceremonially apply oil or another substance to someone as a sign of consecration, blessing, or divine favor. Isn't it true that Jesus was indeed anointed as a prophet, priest, and king? The latter however is subject of opinion if it was fulfilled.

SIRTee15:
Quit the game. This has been thoroughly thrashed.
Mary wasn't 12 when she got pregnant.

It's immoral to sleep with a 9 year old. Highly immoral.

Assume the 9 yr old bride commited adultery. Will she be stoned to deathaccording to shariah law?

You claim it has been thoroughly thrashed that Mary wasn't 12?

How old was she? However thorough you claim it is far from convincing.

Your view of sleeping with a 9yr old being immoral is subject to opinion though this doesn't imply an agreement that Aisha r.a was 9years though you have earlier pointed to an age of 6.

You strongly base this age claim on hadith(s) and I ask what date or which dates these these reports come to be? Can you absolutely rely on them?

Unfortunately focus is on far reaching punishments under the Sharia without considering what this law in accord with Islam/quran put in place to limit the commitment of this crime. The process to convict for adultery is quite far reaching and I ask in return how many people prophet Muhammad pbuh had punished by killing for adultery?

I easily recall one man who was sufficient evidence by testifying 4 times against himself. How easy is it to get 4 credible witnesses for adultery?

Call to mind a similar case when one woman was accused of adultery in the Bible? It may have been a ploy to set Jesus up however in the way he handled this you see an implied requirement of proof. Was the partner she committed adultery with mentioned? Why punish one part of the offenders and leave the other free?

Also call to mind that Aisha r.a was accused of this but it was slander and untrue.

SIRTee15:
In the bible a 12 year old male and female are both called boy and girl respectively.

It's not just a mere coincidence that people of that age group are considered children.
Infact maturity and physical development will put them as early puberty and it's no surprise that the Jewish culture regarded them as kids.

[s]Now Muslims want us to believe our of no where that Mary was married at 12 [/s]years. It defiles logic when applied contextually to biblical understanding of Jewish culture.

The book of ezekiel described a girl who just entered puberty was left alone to mature. Then after she became fully matured, there was discussion about a groom for her.

This depicts girls are not shipped off to husband's house until the complete puberty which is at least 16 yrs.

The source of mary's 12 yr old age was the Apocrypha protoevangelium of James and infancy gospel of Thomas, books written late in the 2nd century.
These books pushed the concept that Mary was a perpetual lifelong virgin by claiming she got pregnant very young this couldn't have known any man and Joseph was a very old man who had no physical desire of Mary thus never slept with her.

It's noteworthy to mention the Qur'an copied a lot from theses false books written more than 150 hrs after the life of Jesus.
The Protoevangelium especially was used to create the stories of Mary which are found in the Quran.

Historians not Muslims agree that Mary was most likely between 12 and 14 years old when Jesus was born.

The Virgin Mary, Jesus' earthly mother, is best known for her spiritual wisdom. Her example of trust in God and faith inspires thousands of people. Most time, artwork portrays her as a grown woman, but how old was Mary when she had Jesus? Historians believe that she was a young teenager when she gave birth, between the ages of 12 and 14.

As a teen, Mary answered the call from God for a purpose that she couldn’t have imagined. She didn’t let her age stop her from moving forward with God’s plan for her life. By learning Mary’s story, we can find out how to respond when God calls us to take action in our lives.

SIRTee15:
A woman is a female who have completed puberty....at least she must have regular period and 2 developed breasts.

12 years old don't have it.

The age that menarche occurs is mostly attributed to the interaction of genetics and various environmental factors. Onset of menarche has varied over the years. You also know that human medicine is not an absolute science. There are variations.

SIRTee15:
What happened to the Pharisees and scribes who killed James.
What was the reaction of the masses to the death of James the just.

Do enlighten me but I know from Eusebius account in The Church History that a laundryman from the masses took a club used for beating out clothes and hit James the Just on the head which brought about his death despite surviving the fall.

IslamVIRGINS:
Write it out yourself as I didn't asked you to write out the hadeeth that exposed the sex paradise of allah

Are you asking me the hadeeth that's correct? I shown you Sahih Bukhari etc which are all graded, why not tell us the real number of houris in janat

Are you scared to share text of your scripture or ashamed?

SIRTee15:
Cite a reference. U are not a scholar or expert in Jewish culture.
Your opinion counts for nothing.

Luke 1
39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea,
40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth.
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

-Mary of Galilee: Mary in the New Testament,Bertrand Buby


- The Jewishness of Mary;Sister M. Danielle Peters

SIRTee15:
Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth ' blessed at thou among all women'. This shows Mary must have completed puberty by the time she got pregnant.

Jesus called a 12 year old female a little girl- jarius daughter. This shows a 12 yr old female is considered a girl in the 1st century AD JEWISH tradition.
Jesus was called a boy when he was 12 years old.

So U may have to try harder with your dawahgandist. U should know by now this won't fly with me.
Look here I don't have a problem with Muhammed sleeping with a 9 year old, it's not my headache.
Though I believe it's immoral to sleep with a 9 yr old girl, even your fasting exception proves it.
It only shows Muhammed is not a prophet of all time but for his time.
Sex and pregnancy should be the ultimate initiation of a female into adult hood. A girl has no business having sex.

In the context provided, Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth in the Bible because of the significance and respect associated with the term “woman” in that cultural and religious context. When Elizabeth addressed Mary as “woman,” it was a term of honor and recognition of Mary’s role in bearing the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The use of “woman” in this instance signified reverence and acknowledgment of Mary’s unique position as the mother of the Lord.

IslamVIRGINS:
Read Matthew 6:9-13

Some of your hadeeth even says wives without specific number, which of the number should we go for since you know islam more than Sahih Bukhari and others

Why don't you write out Matthew 6:9-13 here?

No specific number, 2, 72, 100? Which really is correct? Which hadith is correct with the number? Do the numbers contradict showing a degree of inauthenticity?

Ohyoudidnt:
Sticking to the subject. What really is the Christian view of monotheism?

The doctrine of the Trinity, as believed by Christians, poses a challenge to the concept of monotheism.

While Christians assert that God is one being in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - this notion appears to contradict the fundamentalmonotheistic belief in the existence of only one God. The Trinity doctrine attempts to reconcile the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit with the monotheistic principle, but it raises logical difficulties and philosophical puzzles.

@ANTIIISLAM TENQ SIRTEE15 ADVOCATEJARE MIGHTYSPARROW

What do you say?

SIRTee15:
Mary was called a woman by Elizabeth ' blessed at thou among all women'. This shows Mary must have completed puberty by the time she got pregnant.

Jesus called a 12 year old female a little girl- jarius daughter. This shows a 12 yr old female is considered a girl in the 1st century AD JEWISH tradition.
Jesus was called a boy when he was 12 years old.

So U may have to try harder with your dawahgandist. U should know by now this won't fly with me.
Look here I don't have a problem with Muhammed sleeping with a 9 year old, it's not my headache.
Though I believe it's immoral to sleep with a 9 yr old girl, even your fasting exception proves it.
It only shows Muhammed is not a prophet of all time but for his time.
Sex and pregnancy should be the ultimate initiation of a female into adult hood. A girl has no business having sex.

You don't have convincing proof on the age of Mary? Is this to be left to speculation?

The mention of Jairus’ daughter as a “little girl” at 12 years old reflects a term used affectionately or to denote youthfulness rather than literal age.

In ancient Jewish culture, it was not uncommon for girls to be married at a young age, sometimes as early as onset of puberty.

The concept of childhood and adolescence in terms of age ranges and societal roles differed significantly from modern standards.

IslamVIRGINS:
Did you have any problem with the Lord's prayer?

From all authentic and graded hadeeth, it is written that you will have vigorous sex with houris but will you help us out with the actual number of houris you will be fucking if they are 2, 72 or 100 since you were there when Muhammad was promising you virgins in afterlife

What does the lord's prayer say?

All the hadith say 2, 72 and 100 simultaneously or they report this differently? There is a gross lack of consistency in this number.

SIRTee15:
How did James the just die?

It's reported that James the Just was thrown down from the parapet (of the Temple) and beaten to death with a fuller’s club;

James the Just was thrown down and pelted because he refused to renounce Jesus despite pressure from a group of furious scribes and Pharisees. When they demanded that he denounce his faith, James steadfastly refused, leading to his apprehension. Subsequently, he was taken to the pinnacle of the Temple in Jerusalem and thrown down by the angry mob.

Obviously Jesus was not accepted even after his death and his followers too were killed for sticking to a doctrine that wasn't accepted by the priests who followed the previous scripture including the Torah and Scrolls of Isaiah

SIRTee15:
All source are from your own literature. Sahih bukhari and sahih Muslim

Aisha was alleged to be tiny when she married Muhammed that people didn't know she was on a camel.
Aisha played with dolls, Aisha and her friends also played with dolls.
All these point to a pre teen girl.

All these talk about calculations of age is different on ancient Arabia doesn't make sense. Did they calculate the other characters in the Koran in such manner?
So are U saying Muhammed was more than 40 when he received his first revelation?

I don't understand why U Muslims deny this facts about Aisha.
Your Koran approves of pre teen marriage. It says a man can divorce his wife who's yet to commence menstruation!!!!
That's a pre teen girl my friend.

[size=15pt]How Old Was Mary When Jesus Was Born[/size]?
The Bible does not tell us directly how old Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus.

“This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18).

During this time in history, Jewish girls would have been betrothed (engaged) to their husbands as early as the age of 12 years old. Scholars believe Mary would have been somewhere between 12-16 years old when she had Jesus.

If Mary was 12 this is also teenage with the other ages varying from early teens. There are only 7 years of teenage. 16 just crosses the mid teenage.

IslamVIRGINS:
You didn't work on the contradictions in your hadeeth @Ohyoudidnt

How many virgins are you having vigorous sex with in janat, is it 2, 72 or 100?

Do you know and say the lord's prayer? I asked before and you are yet to answer?
Still expecting!


The variations in the number are pointers to inaccuracy or aren't they?

When did these hadiths become prominent and why were they promulgated if not for malice?

Sticking to the subject. What really is the Christian view of monotheism?

The doctrine of the Trinity, as believed by Christians, poses a challenge to the concept of monotheism.

While Christians assert that God is one being in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - this notion appears to contradict the fundamentalmonotheistic belief in the existence of only one God. The Trinity doctrine attempts to reconcile the divinity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit with the monotheistic principle, but it raises logical difficulties and philosophical puzzles.

ANTllSLAAM:
Is like you're new on NL, if you know me very well ehn you won't come here be arguing stupidly and blindly. Ask for me from your Chief slave here on NL AntiChr, he'll tell you more about me

Quran 10:94 Abdul Hye

So if you (O Muhammad) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed to you (that your name is in the Torah and the Gospel), then ask those who have been reading the book (the Torah and the Gospel) before you. Surely, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So you be not of those who doubt,


Quran 10:94 Musharraf Hussain

So, if you are in doubt about what We have revealed, then ask those who read the Book before you, the Jews. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so listener don’t be one of those who have doubts.


Quran 10:94 Muhsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali

So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, (i.e. that your name is written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) then ask those who are reading the Book (the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)


Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;


10.94 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

(And if thou) O Muhammad (art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee) concerning that with which We sent Gabriel, i.e. the Qur'an, (then question those who read the Scripture) i.e. the Torah ((that was) before you) 'Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers. The Prophet (pbuh) did not ask nor was he ever in doubt about the Qur'an. Rather, Allah was addressing with these words the people of the Prophet. (Verily the Truth from thy Lord) i.e. Gabriel with the Qur'an from your Lord, containing the events of past nations (hath come unto thee) O Muhammad. (So be not thou of the waverers) be not of the doubters.



In the third verse (94), the address is obviously to the Holy Prophet ﷺ . But, it goes without saying that there is no probability of his doubting the revelation. Therefore, the purpose is to beam the message to the Muslim community through this address where he is not the intended recipient. Then, it is also possible that this address may be to human beings at large asking them if they had any doubts about the Divine revelation sent to them through Sayyidna Muhammad al-Mustafa ﷺ . If they had, let them ask those who recited the Torah and Injil before them. They would tell them that all past prophets and their Books have been announcing the glad tidings of the Last among Prophets. This will remove their scruples and suspicions.

Oh so you have that to brag with? How fulfilled you must feel.

I simply asked you to show the exact word for Bible in Arabic language in the verse you are here showing what how long after you flog a dead horse? The exact Arabic of Bible is not in that verse or any other Quran verse

Does any of all what you posted exactly say Bible? No.


Argue with your keypad.

SIRTee15:
At age 6!!!! Aisha has fulfilled what requirements at age 6. Is she a prodigy or what!!!!!
Was she allowed to fast at age 6?
Is she not playing with dolls at age 9? What does that tell U about her level of maturity.

You are fixated thanks to the falsity of the media. You sure have seen other ages outside 6 but choose to stick with that. It's your choice and any other that so agrees. Maybe you will get to know absolutely and maybe not however much or less it matters to you.

The actual age of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad was likely in her late teens.

Claims of Aisha being 6 years old:

Critics allege that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six and the marriage was consummated when she was nine. This claim is based on a saying attributed to Aisha herself in Sahih Bukhari.
However, historical records and analysis suggest that this claim may not be accurate. The context of seventh-century Arabia, where adulthood was defined by the onset of puberty, indicates that Aisha would have been considered an adult at a younger age than in modern times.

Claims of Aisha being 9 years old:

Some Muslims believe in the accuracy of the saying regarding Aisha’s young age, arguing that she must have entered puberty early based on the norms of the time.
However, there are doubts about the reliability of this specific hadith, as historical records indicate discrepancies in estimating ages without formal documentation.


Teenage marriage perspective:

Various historical accounts and analyses suggest that Aisha was likely in her late teens when she married Muhammad. Factors such as her participation in battles and comparisons with other individuals’ ages support this view.
The marriage between Muhammad and Aisha served social and political functions common in Arabian society at that time, rather than being solely based on personal desires.

cc: Honesttalk21

ANTllSLAAM:
Even Tafsirs of that verse says the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel.. Well sha, I understand your pains and suffering ko easy to exposed the gullibility in someone's life

Honestly ask yourself if the Torah and the Injeel are all that were revealed before prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Your bible mentions the scrolls of Isaiah and the Psalms. What does the verse in question exactly say is all I ask you? In the web page you got Irving and Hegab's translation did you not see any other translations? How many others say Bible?

SIRTee15:
https://www.nairaland.com/8038195/what-age-should-child-start

Thank you for sharing.

Is age and maturity a determining factor for worship. Is it not said that you teach them when young so they don't depart from the path? A young child is not obligated (to be forced to do something or feel that you must do something) to fast for good reason such as development requiring nutrition and less strain which may come from the fast.

Now in the case of Aisha may Allah be pleased with her different ages have been suggested at the time of her marriage to the prophet.

However for a lady or even a male to be married taking a part of Quran 4:6 which shouldn't be looked at in isolation of the preceding verses; "Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphan’s property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creatures’ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bā’ [in bi’Llāhi] is extra)."

In analyzing the historical and religious context surrounding Aisha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad, it becomes evident that she had fulfilled the requirements to be married when she entered into this union.

ANTllSLAAM:


Is it according to your own shallowness that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran? You are a big disgrace to islam

All your fellow slaves believed that the scripture mentioned therein is Torah and Injeel that made up what is called BIBLE but you are there typing nonsense that the scripture is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. Bros, you need to drink camel urine[b]

Is like you know islam and Quran more than those in Saudi Arabia

What happened to the 6yr old girl you messenger married? Or your messenger didn't married a 6yr of girl again

It's a troubling that you are fixated on your type of answer.

بِسْمِ اللّٰهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ

فَاِنْ كُنْتَ فِیْ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنْزَلْنَاۤ اِلَیْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِیْنَ یَقْرَءُوْنَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ١ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوْنَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِیْنَۙ


-----Syed Abul Ala Maududi-----

Now, if you are in doubt concerning what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Book before you. It is the truth that has come to you from your Lord, so do never become one of those who doubt,

-----Safi-ur-Rehman Mubarakpuri-----

So if you are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, then ask those who are reading the Book before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it).

-----Muhammad Pickthall-----

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

-----Saheeh International-----

So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

If you (people) have any doubt about what We have revealed to you (about the Day of Judgment and other matters of belief), ask those who read the Book that was revealed (to the Prophets who lived) before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord. Thus, do not doubt it (in your heart),

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

-----Abdul Majid Daryabadi-----

And if thou be in doubt concerning that which We have sent down unto thee, then ask those who have read the Books before thee. Assuredly hath the truth come unto thee from thy Lord, so be not then of the doubters.

-----Yusuf Ali-----

If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

Al-Quran - Surah 10 - Yunus - Ayah 94

I have put above 8 transactions of the meaning. They don't describe who or which group make those who read the book or scripture before.

Muhammad Sarwar even states them as those who read scripture revealed to the Prophets who lived before Muhammad pbuh.

Were there many or numerous prophets before prophet Muhammad? Do you know their exact number and how many of them had scriptures revealed to them?

You obviously are not familiar with the verse Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

إِنَّآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ كَمَآ أَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰ نُوحٍ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـۧنَ مِنۢ بَعۡدِهِۦ ۚ وَأَوۡحَيۡنَآ إِلَىٰٓ إِبۡرَٰهِيمَ وَإِسۡمَٰعِيلَ وَإِسۡحَٰقَ وَيَعۡقُوبَ وَٱلۡأَسۡبَاطِ وَعِيسَىٰ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَٰرُونَ وَسُلَيۡمَٰنَ ۚ وَءَاتَيۡنَا دَاوُۥدَ زَبُورًا
"We have revealed to you as We revealed to Noah, and the prophets after him, and, as, We revealed to Abraham and, his two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and Jacob, the son of Isaac, and the Tribes, his [Jacob’s] children, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and We gave to, his father, David the Inscribed Book (read zabūran, it would denote the name of the revealed Book [cf. the Psalms]; read zubūran would make it a verbal noun, meaning mazbūran, that is to say, maktūban, ‘inscribed’)."
(Q4:163)

I guess you anti-Islam school of apologetics failed to mention it or as you have redefined the age of teenage to 6 you are attempting further misinformation.

Do you not see other prophets had scriptures revealed to them? Are these not what are contained in the books?

A closed system is not responsive to external systems just as a closed mind that thinks itself all wise fails to learn anything new until it becomes obsolete and irrelevant.

SIRTee15:
I read an interesting islamic literature on front-page where it says children are not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan.

So my question to our Muslims colleagues...
If a 6 year old girl is not matured enough to fast, how come she is matured enough to get married.
If a 9 year old girl is not fully developed enough to fast for just 28 days, how come she's fully developed enough to have sex all year round.
It's not making sense, I need an enlightened Muslim to demystify the mystery.

Pls no insult , remember it's the month of Ramadan. If I don't know the answer, just pass.
Thank U.

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Can you share the article or post a link to it?

This will enable an adequate response.

ANTllSLAAM:
This is the 5th times I am asking this bros.. The scripture in that Arabic is what?

Obviously there has been improper communication.

In Quran 10:94, the scripture mentioned is believed to be a reference to the previous divine revelations that were given to the people before the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. The exact scripture or text is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but it is understood that it refers to the earlier scriptures revealed by God to different prophets pbut throughout history before Muhammad pbuh.


Now can you answer the question on 6 year teenage?

ANTlISLAM:
How did I manufactured Bible into your Quran? Am I allah one of the author of quran that inserted the word or I relate with Irvin & Mohammed Hegab? O wa l'agbara bayi oo

Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;


Bobo, don't tell me allah has blindfolded you too or you wan tell me say you no see my question?



Did you understand the Arabic you texted above? I asked you which scripture is it talking about since three days ago now, allah and Muhammad in grave has not help you to answer the question.

There used to be this comedy back in the day. I don't remember the name now where the village court I think had an interpreter of the foreign judge that often if not mainly interpreted to Igbo incorrectly or wrongly the words the judge said and vice versa. How sure are you of the translations you present?

I presented a screenshot of the actual Qur'an translation by T.B Irving and even went on to present the text there for you to see his translation was misrepresented.

I gave you transliteration and actual Arabic to translate and all you can do is reshare them with me as you either cannot translate it or pretend due to the presentation of your error to you.

The one who shares falsehood and the other who helps broadcast it are both guilty of presenting falsehood or aren't they?

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you read arabic? Do you know what is called transliteration?

يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ

[quote author=Ohyoudidnt post=129000323]Simply translate yaqrauna al-kitaba min qablika to English and tell which is Bible.

The screenshot says Irving & Mohamed Hegab; do you ask why?

Do you know Irving (Dr T.B Irving) first compiled his translations before Mohammed Hegab came to revise It?[/quote]

Ohyoudidnt:
Obviously a wannabe Christian apologists or apolegetic says things he doesn't know.
Do you not see this in Quran 10:94?

فَاِنۡ كُنۡتَ فِىۡ شَكٍّ مِّمَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَيۡكَ فَسۡــَٔلِ الَّذِيۡ يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَمِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ الۡحَقُّ مِنۡ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُوۡنَنَّ مِنَ الۡمُمۡتَرِيۡنَۙ‏
Highlighted at least you can appreciate similar letters. Someone who doesn't know following and copying. Mr follow open eye and open sense please.

You now deny the tales you are hopelessly trying to tell on what you don't know. Show the exact arabic for Bible in Quran 10:94 you hopelessly cannot and your brethren who I called on your behalf can't either.

You don't see that the Arabic is part of the original Arabic text of Quran 10:94 who's Irving and Hegab's translation including a Bible not stated in the Arabic you have been bandying around.

Ohyoudidnt:
Interprete the verse you screenshot here and show the arabic word or phrase for Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
Simply translate yaqrauna al-kitaba min qablika to English and tell which is Bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you read arabic? Do you know what is called transliteration?
يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ

فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكّٖ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ فَسۡـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقۡرَءُونَ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبۡلِكَۚ لَقَدۡ جَآءَكَ ٱلۡحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلۡمُمۡتَرِينَ
10:94
Fa in kunta fee shakkin mimmaaa anzalnaaa ilaika fas’alil lazeena yaqra’oonal Kitaaba min qablik; laqad jaaa’akal haqqu mir Rabbika fa laa takoonanna minal mumtareen
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL:
So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters

Why do you obstinately refuse to define teenage despite repeated questioning?


[Did you understand the Arabic you texted above? I asked you which scripture is it talking about since three days ago now, allah and Muhammad in grave has not help you to answer the question.]

يَقۡرَءُوۡنَ الۡكِتٰبَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِكَ‌ۚ
yaqrauna al-kitaba min qablika
They read (in context of this verse 10:94 past tense form) the Scriptures before you.
Contained in Quran 10:94

IslamVIRGINS:
Not just only two virgins, another set of hadeeth says you'll have intercourse with 100 virgins in one morning. Had it been I am a Muslim, I would love to handle Muhammad in janat

I am amazed you need my point obviously stated and cannot discern.

Is it 2 wives, 72 virgins or 100 virgins? Can all these different claims be correct and how? If not which is correct?

Where in Quran 55:70-77 does the word wife; زوجة, zawja occur?