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advocatejare:
In short you have accepted that you lied that the First Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D was about the trinity that comprise God, Jesus and Mary. It was not about trinity, it was about naming Mary as the mother of God! Your lies are busted


On the Quran using the word trinity:

If you check your Tafsir on that surah 5:73

Tafsir Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
“They are indeed disbelievers those who say, ‘God is the third of three’, gods, that is, He is one of them, the other two being Jesus and his mother, and they [who claim this] are a Christian sect; when there is no god but the One God. If they do not desist from what they say, when they declare a trinity, and profess His Oneness, those of them who disbelieve, that is, [those] who are fixed upon unbelief, shall suffer a painful chastisement, namely, the Fire.”


Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
(Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the third of three." ) Mujahid and several others said that this Ayah was revealed about the Christians in particular. As-Suddi and others said that this Ayah was revealed about taking `Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, thus making Allah the third in a trinity As-Suddi said, "This is similar to Allah's statement towards the end of the Surah”


Neither Jesus nor Christians ever said Mary was a god with Jesus and God. But there in Quran 5:116 the author of the Quran got confused as usual to put such lies in the Quran

I won’t stop exposing your lies.

And since you refused to admit your lies about your false claim that the council of Ephesus 431 AD was about trinity when it was not, you have proven yourself to be a dishonorable person and I won’t engage you anymore until you admit that you lied!
Good riddance!

Rather than making baseless assertion do you agree there was a council of Ephesus in 431AD? Yes or no?

If it's the former what was the council about?

You go to Tafsir to understand what is clearly stated? Do you need the Tafsir to know most Christians believe in the Trinity?

Have you seen different Tafsir on this verse? I don't think so. What if you don't have access to Tafsir what do you make of the verse?


Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
( They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three ) this is the claim of the Marqusiyyah; they claim that there is a father, a son and a holy Spirit; ( when there is no God ) for the dwellers of the heavens and the earth ( save the One God ) who has no son or partner. ( If they desist not from so saying ) He says: if the Jews and Christians do not repent of what they are saying ( a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve ) the pain of which will extend to their hearts.

Some key points of what Ibn Kathir says are:
(Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the third of three."
Mujahid and several others said that this Ayah was revealed about the Christians in particular.
As-Suddi and others said that this Ayah was revealed about taking 'Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, thus making Allah the third in a trinity.
Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah' He will say, "Glory be to You!"5:116.
meaning there are not many worthy of worship but there is only One God without partners, and He is the Lord of all creation and all that exists.

You should realise this is
1. Not exclusively about Christians
2. Excessive veneration is akin to worship.
Your Bible reports Jesus saying the priests should be obeyed with respect to the scripture but they should not follow their ways. When you get too attached to something and it governs your actions; is this not worship?

Some love financial wealth so much that all else is put aside in their quest for it. Hasn't money now become their God?

Collyridianism (or Kollyridianism) was an alleged Early Christian movement in Arabia where adherents supposedly worshipped the Virgin Mary as a goddess. The sect offered cakes or bread-rolls to Mary and was described by Epiphanius of Salamis in his Panarion around 376 AD.


Tafsîr al-Qurtubî Perspective:

The statement “Allah is one of three” implies one among a group of three.
There is a disagreement among Christians (Melkites, Nestorians, Jacobites) regarding the Trinity.
Despite not explicitly saying three gods, their position implies belief in three gods.
Islam denounces any form of polytheism or lip-service to monotheism.

advocatejare:
Can you now emboldened where it was decreed that trinity is: God, Jesus and Mary like you lied and like your Quran lied ?

Where did the Quran say God, Jesus and Mary are the trinity in exact arabic? It forbids trinity but never defines it?

Do you also deny there was or is Collyridianism?

Show me exactly where your claims are? Then put on your rob of lying.

advocatejare:
Before I respond to you, you have to admit that you lied that the First Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D was about the trinity that comprise God, Jesus and Mary.

Then you have to accept that your Quran lied by claiming that Christians say that trinity included : God, Jesus and Mary!

It’s time we started holding you people accountable to your words

Seriously?

First Council of Ephesus
In 190 Polycrates, bishop of Ephesus, convened a synod to establish the 14th of Nisan (the date of the Jewish Passover) as the official date of Easter. Pope Victor I, preferring a Sunday as more convenient and desiring uniformity, repudiated the decision and separated those who disagreed from Rome.

Second Council of Ephesus
In 431 Pope Celestine I commissioned Cyril, patriarch of Alexandria, to conduct proceedings against Nestorius, his longtime adversary, whose doctrine of two persons in Christ the pope had previously condemned.

Do you state that The Nicene Creed of Ephesus wasn't established during the Council of Ephesus in AD 431 to address and probably others:

Conflict with Nestorianism

The primary reason for the Nicene Creed of Ephesus was to address the teachings of Nestorius, Patriarch of Constantinople, who propagated Nestorianism. Nestorianism emphasized a distinction between Christ’s human and divine natures and rejected the title Theotokos (God-bearer) for the Virgin Mary, advocating instead for Christotokos (Christ-bearer). This theological dispute led to a significant conflict within the Christian community.

Defending Orthodox Doctrine
The council aimed to confirm and uphold orthodox Christian beliefs regarding the nature of Christ and his mother, Mary. By affirming Mary as Theotokos, or Mother of God, the council sought to solidify the understanding of Christ’s dual nature as fully human and fully divine, without separation or division.

Seeking Unity in the Church: Another crucial reason for convening the Council of Ephesus and formulating the Nicene Creed was to achieve unity within the Christian Church. The council served as an ecumenical gathering representing various factions within Christendom, with the goal of reaching a consensus on essential doctrinal matters to prevent further schisms and divisions.

Resolution through the Nicene Creed

Condemnation of Nestorianism The council officially condemned Nestorius’ teachings as heresy, particularly his rejection of Mary as Theotokos. By affirming Mary as Theotokos, the council clarified and affirmed that Jesus Christ is both fully human and fully divine, born of Mary as both God and man.

Establishment of Orthodox Beliefs
Through affirming Mary as Theotokos in the Nicene Creed, the council solidified orthodox beliefs about Christ’s nature and Mary’s role in salvation history. This resolution aimed to provide clarity on essential theological doctrines concerning Christology and Mariology.

Creation of Doctrinal Guidelines
The Nicene Creed served as a doctrinal guideline that not only addressed immediate theological controversies but also set a standard for future theological discourse within Christianity. By reaffirming key aspects of Christian faith, such as Christ’s dual nature and Mary’s role as Mother of God, the creed provided a foundation for unity among believers.

TenQ:
I did not ask you about authorization.

I said:


1. What does it mean to intercede for another?
2. Can a non-living being intercede for anyone?
3. Of all the attributes of Allah, which else can intercede or speak for a person?


Islamic theology always break down with questions because they were Doctrines created in the spur of the moment without any thought. This is why Mohammed aka Allah says that you shouldn't ask questions about his revelations!

I believe we had an English class earlier on. That should do more so I don't teach.

I answered a question and am surprised you are still fishing for what you mean to say to close your case.

TenQ:
I asked you three Questions:

1. What does it mean to intercede for another?
2. Can a non-living being intercede for anyone?
3. Of all the attributes of Allah, which else can intercede or speak for a person?

And I wasn't disappointed in your first response as I said:
I am too sure you will do everything to avoid answering these three questions.

I am not in any way trying to impress you. Any that Allah deems fit and authorizes can intercede.

advocatejare:
There was a man who called himself a prophet and claimed to be a mercy to the world. However, he was rather brutal and merciless. He ordered people to be Maimed and tortured. His name was Muhammad, the prophet of Islam

A man who was obviously mentally unstable was caught stealing and taken to Muhammad and he ordered that the man should be killed but he was reminded that the man stole and Muhammad said that the thief’s right hand should be cut and it was done. The man was caught again and again and Muhammad kept on ordering his body to be cut until the man was eventually killed on the order of Muhammad


Muslims are so ashamed of this act by their prophet today that they now lie that the Hadith is weak but the Hadith is not weak, it’s graded Hassan which means good

Muhammad should have shown mercy to that thief because the he was obviously not mentally stable to have been going back and forth to be stealing even after his hands and foot were cut off!

A man who called himself prophet of God should have known better

The narration in Sunan Abī Dāwūd #4410, where a thief is brought to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and various punishments are mentioned, has been deemed unauthentic by leading authorities. Imam Nasāʾī explicitly states that this narration is rejected (munkar). Additionally, Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr and other scholars have also affirmed that there is no basis for the narration that mentions executing the thief. The consensus among the Muslim community is that a thief should not be executed.

The hadith is graded Hassan on sunnah.com but is this even appropriate?

The content of the hadith contradicts established Islamic principles regarding punishments for theft and the sanctity of life. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) emphasized the importance of mercy and justice in his teachings, which makes the severity of the punishment described in the narration questionable.

The lack of corroboration from other reliable sources or chains of transmission adds to the skepticism surrounding this specific narration. Without additional support from authentic hadith collections, it becomes challenging to verify its accuracy.

Leading authorities and scholars have deemed this narration as unauthentic or weak. Imām Nasāʾī, Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr, Ibn Ruslān, Badr al-Dīn al-ʿAynī, and others have expressed doubts about its authenticity. This consensus among scholars raises concerns about the reliability of the hadith.

Imam Nasāʾī explicitly states that this narration is rejected (munkar). Additionally, Ibn ʿAbd al-Barr and other scholars have also affirmed that there is no basis for the narration that mentions executing the thief.

TenQ:
1. What does it mean to intercede for another?
2. Can a non-living being intercede for anyone?
3. Of all the attributes of Allah, which else can intercede or speak for a person?

I am too sure you will do everything to avoid answering these three questions.





This is a problem caused by your prophet!
The Quran is not Allah, yet is is uncreated and eternal, leading to serious implications!

Is your speech or writing you?

TenQ:
Okay. I agree with you.


You have insisted that:
1. The Qur'an is an attribute of the speech of Allah
2. The Qur'an is uncreated
3. The Qur'an is eternal.



If this is true, then the Qur'an is a partner with Allah because the
1. The Qur'an is a living being
2. The Qur'an is independent of Allah

Before you cry
1. Qur'an will come as an intercessor and only a living conscious being can be an intercession

Riyad as-Salihin 991
Abu Umamah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying, "Read the Qur'an, for it will come as an intercessor for its reciters on the Day of Resurrection."


2. Even specific chapters of the Qur'an will intercede for you Muslims

Sahih Muslim 804a
Abu Umāmah said he heard Allah’s Messenger ﷺ say, “Recite the Qur’an, for on the Day of Resurrection it will come as an intercessor for those who recite it. Recite the two bright ones, al-Baqarah and Sūrah ale-Imran, for on the Day of Resurrection they will come as two clouds or two shades, or two flocks of birds in ranks, pleading for those who recite them. Recite Sūrah al-Baqarah, for to take recourse to it is a blessing and to give it up is a cause of grief, and the magicians cannot confront it.”


3. Mohammed described how the Qur'an will come to people as a Pale man

Sunan Ibn Majah 3781
It was narrated from Ibn Buraidah that his father told that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said:
"The Quran will come on the Day of Resurrection, like a pale man, and will say: 'I am the one that kept you awake at night and made you thirsty during the day."


4. Intercessors are allowed only on the permission of Allah.
Qur'an 20:109
“On that day no intercession shall avail, except the one for whom the Most Gracious (Allah) has given permission and whose word is acceptable to Him”
Qur'an 2:255
“Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?”

If Allah gives the Qur'an permission to intercede for Muslims, then the Qur'an must be conscious, living being!

Meaning that the Quran is both Alive and independent of Allah!

I see that you are gradually getting to it. Fantastic!

How can the Quran be independent of Allah? Is it no longer the words/speech of Allah? Is your speach independent of you? Do your words come out of your lips unconsciously or beyond your control?

If your deeds will be evaluated why not your deed of reciting/reading the Quran? More so when you read, understand and put what you read into practice.

Allah chooses who or what will intercede. In all Allah himself too will intercede.

Is repugnant argumentative nature your partner?

FxMasterz:
The whereabouts of the codex is currently unknown but that does cast any aspersion on the Bible regarding its accuracy. The codex disappeared just recently in 1947. Whoever made it disappear is an enemy of the faith who wouldn't want us to benefit for the richness of that codex.

The Aleppo Codex was not necessarily a threat to other biblical manuscripts in terms of accuracy, but it was highly regarded for its accuracy and completeness among Jewish scholars and scribes. It was considered one of the most reliable sources for studying the Hebrew Bible due to its meticulous transcription and detailed vocalization and accentuation marks (vowel and pronunciation marks added to the Hebrew text).

However, each ancient biblical manuscript has its unique characteristics and textual variants. Scholars and researchers often compare different manuscripts to understand the history of textual transmission and to reconstruct the most original form of the biblical text as accurately as possible.

While the Aleppo Codex was highly esteemed, it was not the only source used for studying the Hebrew Bible. Other important manuscripts such as the Leningrad Codex and the Dead Sea Scrolls also contribute significantly to our understanding of the biblical text and its transmission throughout history. Each manuscript has its strengths and areas of focus, and together they help scholars piece together the rich tapestry of the biblical text's transmission and preservation.

The missing portions of the Aleppo Codex represent a loss in terms of complete preservation.

The inclusion or omission of Matthew 17 :21 slows inconsistencies

[quote author=FxMasterz post=129131678][/quote]The missing portions of the Aleppo Codex represent a loss in terms of complete preservation.

The inclusion or omission of Matthew 17 :21 slows inconsistencies

TenQ:
I posted the full hadith for you Sir.

Again :



Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2155
Abdul-Wahid bin Sulaim narrated:
"I arrived in Makkah and met 'Ata bin Abi Rabah. I said to him: 'O Abu Muhammad! The people of Al-Basrah speak about Al-Qadar.' He said: 'O my son! Do you recite the Quran?' I said: 'Yes.' He said: 'Then recite Az-Zukhruf to me.'" He said: 'So I recited: Ha Mim. By the manifest Book. Verily, We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic that you may be able to understand. And verily, it is in the Mother of Book with Us, indeed exalted, full of wisdom. Then he said: 'Do you know what Mother of Books is?' I said: 'Allah and His Messenger know better.' He said:'It is a book that Allah wrote before He created the Heavens, and before He created the earth. In it, it is (written): Fir'awn is among the inhabitants of the Fire, and in it is: Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he!'Ata said: 'I met Al-Walid the son of 'Ubadah bin As-Samit the Companion of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) and asked him:'What was your father's admonition when he died?" He said:"He called me and said: 'O my son ! Have Taqwa of Allah, and know that you will never have Taqwa of Allah until you believe in Allah, and you believe in Al-Qadar- all of it-its good and its bad. If you die upon other than this you shall enter the Fire. Indeed I heard the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) saying: "Verily the first of what Allah created was the Pen. So He said: 'Write.' It said : 'What shall I write?' He said : 'Write Al-Qadar, what it is , and what shall be, until the end.'"

How then is an attribute of the speech of Allah uncreated and eternal when it was written as a book (except if the Qur'an as a Recitation existed before it was written)?
What is the true and final answer?

I needed to ascertain there wasn't another Hadith.

What do you understand by
"And verily, it is in the Mother of Book with Us"?

What does it is refer to?

What is the it that is?

TenQ:
Except Allah wrote two Qur'ans: your prophet said about the Qur'an

He said: 'It is a book that Allah wrote before He created the Heavens, and before He created the earth.He said:'It is a book that Allah wrote before He created the Heavens, and before He created the earth.

If Allah wrote it before he created the Heavens and the earth, it cannot be uncreated nor eternal nor an attribute of Allah.

I just need an explanation!

Write out the full hadith

TenQ:
What is so difficult in answering the questions
1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

You are the first person I will ask these two questions on Nairaland. Or have you see me ask anyone before?

There is no difficulty.

You probably have variant answers dependent on my answer so it doesn't matter hence you should say what you want to say.

You want to first ascertain the correctness of your view? Don't be afraid to err

TenQ:
This is just a mere belief that you avoid answering questions because it exposes the frailty of Allah as God.


Another falsehood because except you use your Strawman argument, it cannot pass.
Enough illustrations from things which exist in Islam had been used to educate you but you remain a donkey carrying a load of books but understand nothing



Trust me, they are and that is why you are afraid to answer them. What is so difficult in answering the questions
1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Your opinion. I had long requested you use your known answers to your questions to show what you say? If the showing is dependent on my answer it then proves you know not what you claim and your conclusion is wrong.

TenQ:
If I get you correctly, you said :
1. The Qur'an is an attribute of the speech of Allah
2. The Qur'an is uncreated
3. The Qur'an is eternal.


Isn't these a contradiction with another Authentic hadith of Mohammed?
The Hadith says:
1. The Qur'an was written as a book before the heavens and the earth were created. Then it cannot be eternal.
2. The Pen by which the Qur'an was written was the First thing Allah created! Meaning that the Pen of Allah predates the Qur'an!


Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2155
Abdul-Wahid bin Sulaim narrated:
"I arrived in Makkah and met 'Ata bin Abi Rabah. I said to him: 'O Abu Muhammad! The people of Al-Basrah speak about Al-Qadar.' He said: 'O my son! Do you recite the Quran?' I said: 'Yes.' He said: 'Then recite Az-Zukhruf to me.'" He said: 'So I recited: Ha Mim. By the manifest Book. Verily, We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic that you may be able to understand. And verily, it is in the Mother of Book with Us, indeed exalted, full of wisdom. Then he said: 'Do you know what Mother of Books is?' I said: 'Allah and His Messenger know better.' He said:'It is a book that Allah wrote before He created the Heavens, and before He created the earth. In it, it is (written): Fir'awn is among the inhabitants of the Fire, and in it is: Perish the two hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he!'Ata said: 'I met Al-Walid the son of 'Ubadah bin As-Samit the Companion of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) and asked him:'What was your father's admonition when he died?" He said:"He called me and said: 'O my son ! Have Taqwa of Allah, and know that you will never have Taqwa of Allah until you believe in Allah, and you believe in Al-Qadar- all of it-its good and its bad. If you die upon other than this you shall enter the Fire. Indeed I heard the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) saying: "Verily the first of what Allah created was the Pen. So He said: 'Write.' It said : 'What shall I write?' He said : 'Write Al-Qadar, what it is , and what shall be, until the end.'"

How then is an attribute of the speech of Allah uncreated and eternal when it was written as a book (except if the Qur'an as a Recitation existed before it was written)?
What is the true and final answer?

Does the hadith say the Mother of the book is the Quran?

FxMasterz:
There's no such thing as that. That's just propaganda.

What happened to the Aleppo codec or where is it?

What can you say about Matthew 17:21 is not included in major Bible versions.

The Qur'an is the word of Allah, uncreated, and not a mere attribute of
Allah. It is considered an attribute of His speech (kalam), which is linked to His divine essence, and thus it is eternal and uncreated.

"Say, if the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement.(Quran 18:109)

It indicates that the words of Allah, which include the Quran, are a manifestation of His infinite knowledge and eternal attribute.

TenQ:
Let me assume you have finally thrown in the towel about answering my simple questions to test your claim of Allah!
Like I said:
A believe is NOTHING if it cannot be questioned according to the records of the belief in Question.

Now, you brought in the issue of the WORD "Be! " or Kunfayakun of Allah and the Qur'an.

Let me ask you this Question :
1. Is the Qur'an Created by Allah or it is just a mere Attribute of Allah?

What? We have had it concisely addressed that Islam is fundamentally monotheistic. This is Tauhid.

That we don't have a similar contradiction of a triune trinity monotheism is what you haven't proven.

Simply put your further questions are just blank shots unrelated to monotheism.

SIRTee15:
One of my headache with U is u don't learn anything in our conversation. I actually read your texts and learn from it if it makes sense. But otherwise is your case.
How can a text written 180 yrs after the said events be considered canon. It means whoever wrote it wasn't an eye witness and nobody who knew Jesus could confirm the book as true.

I told U infancy gospel of Thomas which the Koran copied was written in the mid 2nd century.

Pls do not confuse infancy gospel of Thomas with another book called the gospel of Thomas. The one I'm referring to here is the former. Infancy gospel of Thomas is the one that has stories seen in the Koran.

Gospel of Thomas is a logia and not a gospel. And was equally written in the 2nd century.
Now if that's the gospel U actually referring to here, then know the gospel claim Thomas is the twin brother of Jesus and that everyone can become begotten son of God like Jesus.
Well if that's the gospel U want to embrace, good luck.
But I will definitely consider it heretic.

Thank you.


The Gospel of Thomas of emphasizes spiritual wisdom, introspection, and esoteric teachings attributed to Jesus, presenting a more philosophical perspective. On the other hand; the Infancy Gospel of Thomas focuses on miraculous deeds performed by Jesus during his childhood, depicting him in a manner that diverges significantly from the traditional image found in the canonical Gospels.

In either case though references are made to Jesus speaking as a child, but they differ significantly in their content and purpose. Summarily they refer to Jesus speaking from an age of 5 which isn't so unusual as the child normally has developed good auditory function.

The Quran reports Jesus speaking as a baby well under 3 months and quite intelligently for the age. The fundamental question is why you claim the Quran copied this from apocrypha or non cannon text. This is really a rhetoric question.

SIRTee15:
Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.
5. There must be evidence the gospel was read in early churches or mentioned by the apostolic fathers in their own works.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.

Noted

TenQ:
You refuse to answer because my questions exposes your deceptions and deviations from the true Islam.

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


You said what you believed about Islam but you wouldn't allow us to test its validity with simple questions. Some people believe that the COW is their mother: a statement of believe is nothing if it cannot be tested with questions.

I gave you two full pages I explanation of the Christian doctrine to which you had zero answers to.

Probably because Allah has stolen your cognitive faculties.
1. When Jibril became a perfect man to see Mary, did he stop being an angel?
2. Did your prophet truly see Abraham and Moses in paradise or not when he rode on the Al-Buraq to paradise?
3. Why would Angels question your soul instead of your body that you used to commit all manner of filthy sins?

Of course only a reprobate mind on his way to hell fire will still be confused!


Are you saying that the Soul/Spirit of a man doesn't exist using your proof that no one has seen them?

Your last question just show exactly how naive you are?

When your prophet went to paradise, we're the prophets first resurrected and take to heaven so that Mohammed can see them?


1. The Body, Soul and Spirit are meant to function as ONE.
2. Death is a aberration that disconnect the Body from the Soul/Spirit.
3. Resurrection is a restoration of the perfect nature of man. Even those in Hell Fire like Mohammed will have their bodies restored to them.

The Father is greater than the Son only because the Word humbled Himself as such (The Word CANNOT feel the pain of hunger or wound or Lack BUT the Son can) . Even then, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit function as ONE just as your Body, Soul and Spirit function as ONE Being.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of God's Love nor the concept of Sin!

Thank you very much.

Indeed, Allah is described in the Qur'an as the Creator of everything. The word of Allah refers to His command,speech, and the revelations He sent down to His
prophets. For instance, the Qur'an, which is the direct Word of Allah, was revealed for guidance.


Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Qur'an 15:9)

The concept of the 'Word' of Allah also includes the command "Be, and it is" (kun fa-yakun), which is mentioned in several places in the Quran (e.g., 2:117,
3:47, 6:73, 16:40, 19:35, 36:82, 40:68) to describe the ease and immediacy with which Allah can will anything into existence.

Apply all these to your monotheistic triune belief.

TenQ:
But at least two of these questions I've never asked a single Muslim on Nairaland


1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


I've reduced it into two questions for you.


Are you still afraid?

I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.

IslamVIRGINS:
You want to deny the fact that nothing like fckking in aljanat with 72 virgins, you can't defend the sex paradise of allah after I dropped different hadeeths that shows the variety numbers of houris you shall have sex romp with

The hadeeth that surprised me most is the one that narrate the 100 houris you are bleeping just in a morning. Indeed it is good to be allah's slaves

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The MI6 and KGB need lessons from you on question evasion and refusal to answer.

I had long pointed out the queried authenticity of some of these hadiths. This is followed with questions on if you say/believe in the lord's prayer with a request you post it's contents.

You refuse to share only pointing at your Bible verses with a refusal to post. Text too long to type or cannot be copied?

Oh well enjoy your right to refuse to answer.

SIRTee15:
There's nothing revelation about Jesus speaking at birth or Mary growing up in seclusion. infancy gospel of thomas and protoevangelium had it all written down.

But the problem is how come the story of Jesus and Mary in the Quran were unheard of in the 1st century when the eye witnesses were alive. How come people started reading about these strories 150 yrs after the death of Mary and apostles.

Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

TenQ:
It has every thing to do with Taoheed.

Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Are you afraid?

You definitely don't need my answer to address however it relates or doesn't rel ate to Tawhid. This sure is no case of the game of tag!

TenQ:
It has every thing to do with Taoheed.

Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

Are you afraid?

These questions have been asked by you repeatedly in and out of this subject.

Pretty much like a broken record I'm afraid. You have been answered by different people but you always go around with these same sets of straws.

I'll pass thank you.

TenQ:
Not withstanding this: Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

What's the relation to the Tauhid ?

IslamVIRGINS:
I don't think you have anything to say about the Lord's prayer

What is the real total number of houris you'll have sex with in aljanat? 2, 72 or 100 virgins?

You don't think but are not clairvoyant or are you? Write out the text then we'll see.

TenQ:
I would have agreed with you if not because Mohammed is not known to speak figuratively of Allah.

Mohammed could have said that Allah sends down his attributes NOT that Allah descend into the Lowest Heaven. I am sure that not one single hadith support you on this.

There are factors which make it not figurative
1. It occurs Every Night.
2. The location is the Lowest Heaven.
Are these figurative too?

Not withstanding this: Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not

You are free to believe what you want. Tenq did not create Allah and cannot define what or how Allah is.


Allah is the greatest and nothing is like unto him.

La hawla wa la quwwata illa billah

There is no power and no strength except with Allah.

SIRTee15:
Why did Qur'an copy from a forged gospel book.

What did the Quran copy?

The Quran is a revelation.

TenQ:
Your prophet said this: is it a fabrication?

Sahih Muslim 758b
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks.

As the others are essentially repetition I will reply to this.

The phrase “Allah descends” is seen as an expression of divine mercy and attentiveness rather than a literal descent from one place to another. It highlights the significance of that time for spiritual reflection, devotion, and seeking closeness to Allah through prayer and remembrance.

The concept of Allah descending does not imply a physical movement from one place to another as Allah is believed to be omnipresent and beyond physical limitations. Instead, this hadith is understood metaphorically or symbolically to emphasize Allah’s mercy, attention, and closeness to His creation during that time of the night.


What is the significance of the prayer vigil done in Christianity?

TenQ:
I don't do Strawman Arguments!

A Strawman is creating ANOTHER image of the Text of Argument that we can easily deal with or respond to INSTEAD of the real text of Argument.

1. Non of the Christian texts say we worship Three Gods
2. Not even the most heretical Christian sect claim to worship Three Gods.

But to advance the cause of Islam, you cannot stray from the misconception of Allah aka Mohammed.



1. Is it untrue that I said that
The Father is YAHWEH
The Word is YAHWEH and
The Spirit is YAHWEH ?
2. Is it untrue that I likened it to the relationship between
Your Body is YOU
Your Soul is YOU and
Your Spirit is YOU ?
3. Is it untrue that I simplified you for you Muslims as the Duality of Man rather than the Trinity (where a man is His BODY and His RUH/NAFS)


Using your exact words (paraphrased and modified for the Duality of Man)
This is very unlike the pluriform monotheism, where multiple gods YOU are recognized as extensions of the same divine entity of Christianity a person.

Do you have MULTIPLE You(S) exactly as Christians have multiple God's?



By the way: Iblis is ONE!
Or Iblis is more than one in Islam?

The Christian text don't say you worship three Gods but in practice you worship a Father God, Son God and Holy spirit God?

How is this?

That at the same time they are distinct and the God father is greater than the other 2?

God created mankind as his representative but God is distinct and different from the created. Nothing is like or comparable to almighty Allah.

SIRTee15:
Pls study something b4 bringing it to debate.
Deuterocanonical books has absolutely nothing to do with our argument.
It has nothing to do with the infancy gospel of Thomas or protoevangelium.
As at the time the deuterocanonical books were compiled, Jesus had not even been born not to talk of someone writing any gospel book about him.

Do you deny that the Deuterocanonical books are also referred to as the apocrypha you say are the source of the information about Mary?