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Religion / Re: Names Of The Two Witnesses? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 12:18am On Nov 29, 2013
The antichrist is not obama because the rapture haven't taken place for the man of sin to be revealed he whom the son of man would destroy with the fire from his mouth. I think the antichrist would come up from asia
Music/Radio / Re: Which Song Would You Ban? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 6:29pm On Nov 10, 2013
I never liked naija songs especially their hip hop songs it always talks about women, sex, bad life etc I wonder wether they have fear of God in them.
Celebrities / Re: Skuki Peeshaun Leaves Tattoo Shop In Pain by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 11:59am On Nov 05, 2013
We live in a world where provoking God is the order of the day
Religion / Re: Why Wouldn't You Marry A Sister From Your Church? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 10:23am On Nov 02, 2013
smileyI can't wait for the time to come coz am deeply sure am gonna marry sumone from my church. wink
Jokes Etc / Re: What Does Girls Gain By Being Fake by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 8:13am On Oct 29, 2013
Op abeg front page pls make we discuss am
Celebrities / Re: Nigeria's 5 Worst Dressed Celebrities by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:06pm On Oct 27, 2013
nnocurruption: add me on bbm girls only 7C6DB719
andriod at work here. Thanks to blackberry
Religion / What Was The Topic Of Todays Sermon? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 6:17pm On Oct 27, 2013
Fellow nairalanders what was the topic being preached in ur various churches today, mine was about destroying the temple. So wots urs?
Jokes Etc / What Does Girls Gain By Being Fake by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 5:40pm On Oct 27, 2013
Fellow nairalanders I wanna ask what does girls gain by being fake. Only in a girl ull find, fake boobs, fake hair extensions, fake eye lashes, fake nails (manicure and pedicure) fake skin colour, fake iris, fake colour of lips, fake eye brown, fake hair colour, fake names etc how am I sure u aren't fake. Abeg pls help me check am. Before u go date baby doll one day thinking say na human being. If you love being natural click like.

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Religion / Re: Who Will God Punish For Abortion? The Doctors, The Government Or The Women? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 4:53pm On Oct 27, 2013
nlMediator:

In developed countries, doctors are not required to conduct abortion. Doctors specialize and a woman would be foolish to go to doctors that do not specialize in pregant women's issues (OB/GYN) to have an abortion. Even with that, there are clinics that specialize in abortion. I do not imagine anybody suing successfully against a doctor for refusing to conduct an abortion. The closest I know are pharmacists being sued for refusing to dispense prescribed abortion medication on the basis of conscience.
don't do, don't aid/assist and don't implement
Religion / Re: Describe Your Church In One Word? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 3:37pm On Oct 27, 2013
Thank you lord for making me. A watchman.
Politics / Re: Igbo-Youths Protest Against Oduah's Sack In Enugu by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 3:15pm On Oct 27, 2013
Well am not here to judge but then I think anybody that embezzles money needs to be sacked whether igbo, hausa, or yoruba the same should be done to all, I just pity for those that campaign for theives that are bent on looting funds and ure there putting ur lives at risk, let me ask the forum that went on protesting is ur life not worth more than itm stella oduah didn't renovate or upgrade our airports with her money its with the citizens money. Finish.
Jokes Etc / A Permanent Age To Be Forever by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 5:51pm On Oct 25, 2013
Fellow nairalanders if ure given an opportunity to choose ur age that u wanna be forever what age would u prefer holding on to forever. As for me mine is 20. So wots urs?.
Nairaland / General / Re: 18-yr-old Victim Of Gang molestation Commits Suicide by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 11:22am On Oct 24, 2013
From frying pan to fire. What was that girl thinking, when she decided to take her life, I assume she wants to go and tell God her problems but she just landed herself into eternal destruction which is hell. Devil ure wicked, look at how u deceived the young girl. What a foolish idea.

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Romance / Re: How Long Can A Relationship Without Intimacy Last ? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 6:55am On Oct 23, 2013
Why would u sleep with a woman u have not married, why would she come to your house without any one accompaning her? Why would the two of u sleep on the same bed when ure not married, proverbs 20 vs 17. Bread of deceit is sweet to a man, but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel. That bed must remain undefiled.
Culture / Re: The Strange Custom Of Celebrating "Traditional" Marriages Abroad by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:28pm On Oct 20, 2013
Thanks to the westerners for spreading their mental disease on we african, and big hugs to the african especially the ladies for their huge success when it comes to copy copy. Am just watching, looking where we are heading to.

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Health / Re: The Dangers Of Postpartum Depression by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:22pm On Oct 20, 2013
ajayi147: good
all these are blabbIng thanks to the westernerd for injecting our women with their diseases and our african women thanks for whole heartedly accepting it, coz I know that in the olden days such rubbish dosent happen.

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Politics / Re: President Will Probe Minister Of Aviation — Presidency by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:11pm On Oct 20, 2013
lonelydora: Dancing Skelewu*****
Another great feat! I always tell u people that I don't hustle to be FTC. Baba God has a way of doing it for me because "the god that created coconut must always provide water for it to take up". Well thanks to my wife for lending me her blackberry, thanks to my son for not disturbing me while I was typing. Thanks to all Nairalanders for being asleep as I was typing and to MTN for the fast network.


Meanwhile what will be the benefit of the probe when they finish?
make I ask u, u don win jackpot as first to comment, this is real silly
Religion / Re: For Which Reasons Would You Change Your Church by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 2:03pm On Oct 20, 2013
Samnwaigwe: [color=#990000][/color][font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]
ure very funny, can't help laughing, my friend open ur eyes o
Religion / Re: Is It Wrong To Attend Different Churches? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 1:48pm On Oct 20, 2013
italo: You may attend one million "churches" and it is fine.

Just know that Jesus founded only ONE Church. The others were founded by men.

my friend pls stop saying such, many churches were planted even during the time of the apostles so stop referring to only one church.
Politics / Re: Lagos Deputy-Governor To Iyanya's Dancer - You Are Degrading Womanhood by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 11:54pm On Oct 16, 2013
When will our nigerian girs stop copy copy I hate it with passion, where do I start from. From mini skirts to trousers to pouting to tatoo to brazilian hair to make ups to high heels and now unclad. Where is home training, and moral upbringing, jesus have mercy on the women, but why am not suprised is that the devil used them in the very beginning to cause disobedience and he is still using them even in this last days. Thank you

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TV/Movies / Re: Are Reality TV Shows/Competitions Of Any Benefit To Us? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 10:56am On Oct 16, 2013
There is nothing good that comes out of it rather it is a medium that makes girld behave more like a turkey (tolotolo) and make the guys more like a dog because of fashion. Advertising their bodyn and showing how badly trained u are when it comes to manners

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Entertainment / Re: Skelewu Dance Winner Bello Moshood Abiola Says ''thank You'' To Nairalanders by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 8:55am On Oct 12, 2013
How many of u can dance a decent dance before the lord ur God in the church. Still keep being deceived. Walks out.
Nairaland / General / Re: What Do You Like The Most About Yourself? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:44am On Oct 11, 2013
First of all I thank jesus for making me who I am, am wonderfully made by God both in character, spiritually, and now materially. Crowning me with a natural character not copy copy pple that don't even know themselves.
Fashion / Re: A Venting Thread For Fashion Styles/Stuff You Dislike by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 2:37pm On Oct 09, 2013
LoveAmaka88: lol you don't have to stop, not on my behalf. Put some shorts on tongue
I hate fashion with passion
Celebrities / Re: Oyedepo, Dangote, Adenuga To Pay N400m Luxury Tax On Private Jets by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 2:28pm On Oct 09, 2013
Willgates: Oyedepo should be ashame of himself, Adenuga n Dangote are genuine business men, The supposed pastor is there milking his poor congregation dry. lazy man! u kids must be really proud of u
look at how pastors are making jesus angry by the day and making people not to believe in christianity anymore
Religion / Re: Is It A Sin For Guy To Wear Fitted Shirts And Skinny Trousers? by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 10:33pm On Oct 08, 2013
Amaaskia: Its not a sin jare.

u better don't put them on what is ur purpose of wearing them, to show off isn't it, make u for belong, why do we always love to copy the westerners, I dislike it so much, pls be urself
Music/Radio / Re: P-Square- Fast And Pray For A Month Before Releasing Any Album by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 10:24pm On Oct 08, 2013
Empero1:
Fast and pray my ass !
no be small tin o u know u can fast and pray to each side which is jesus and satan especially the baphomet that is the god of worldly musics and the dragon which is the demon that posesses the people that sing their songs. How can u tell me that u pray to the almighty so that u lead his children astray and encourage them to commit immorality. I want to stop with this chapter in luke 12 if sinners know where they are heading to, they would have repented.
Religion / Re: Famous Rosary Miracles (for Believers). by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 7:08am On Oct 08, 2013
I can't thank jesus enough anytime I tune myself in the spirit and pray to my father in heaven with my mouth not reciting any jargons pouring my heart to him then come and see spirit of the lord doing wonders my praises going as a sweet smelling savour unto the lord chai jesus I thank u for making know this
Religion / Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 10:04am On Oct 07, 2013
christemmbassey: u don't even know y u are in this bondage. Well, continue.
my father recognizes u as an antichrist embassy so I think ure in a bigger bondage or ure heading for doom if u don't come out and receive christ afresh and live according to the scriptures
Religion / Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 9:57am On Oct 07, 2013
naijadeyhia: [b]Acts 15:24: “Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.” Tithing was part of the law to ISRAEL- NOT the Church.

God sought to kill Moses because he had not obeyed (Ex.4:22-23) the command He gave to Abraham (Gen 21:4), to circumcise his son. But not once do we read of Moses obeying the tithing command before the Tabernacle and priesthood laws were given. We see no reaction from the Lord on this. Why? Because they were not given a tithing command--until-- the Tabernacle and priesthood laws were given. Why do some people want to resurrect the laws that were to point to Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Why do some divide the law up into pieces instead of following ALL of the laws given to the Israelites in the Old Testament? You can’t obey only part of the on giving the tithe (again it was 22% not 10%). We can’t obey because we as New Testament believers have no temple or Levitical priesthood, we are under a completely different system. New Covenant Christians do not have to tithe in order to please God. The intention of our heart is what God is looking at more than the amount we give. Ephesians 1: 3 says “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.” We have the blessings by GRACE.

Those who hold the position of tithing for the church are confused of its purpose and history. No Christian should be coerced into giving a set amount to receive God’s blessings. The simple reason is that it removes them from walking in grace and puts them under the law. The Pharisees tithed and watched what people gave, and they continued to tithe as the church was birthed. The church did not tithe.

“Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.”(1 Cor. 16:1-2). Notice Paul says the collection for the saints. This is not necessarily a weekly tithe but appears to be a collection for others in need. Those saints in other areas that were in need of financial help, from one church to another. “A contribution made by the rich for the relief of the poor (from Adam Clarke's Commentary). “A contribution, or collection of money for a charitable purpose (from Barnes' Notes).

And what of the commands of helping the poor? Instead, we only hear about robbing God if we do not tithe. You are still sinning if you have something to give, and are selfish towards those in need. God would rather see people serve and participate willingly then be under compulsion to give large amounts of money to others to do the work. “Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. (1 Tim. 6:18-19; Gal.5:13) Numerous needs go unmet inside our churches. We need to give to brethren who are in need, not just give to big ministries so they can become bigger. They are not the only ones who do God's work.

The principle of tithing in the Old Testament was to benefit those in need as well: Deuteronomy 26:12: “When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled.” Deut. 14:27-28: ”You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you. ”At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates.” Have you seen any ministry that insists on tithing do this? Why not, it is part of the tithing law.

Are you listening to the “TV evangelist” telling you to sow your seed for your need? Promises, promises…

Paul writes, “For there are many unruly, vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucere's sake” (Titus 1:10-11).

The words of Hosea continue to echo to us today, (4:6) “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge.” Bible knowledge is what he is referring to.

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe but to give (the amount is between you and the Lord). Consider the story of Ananias and Sapphira that has been used and abused in so many ways-- Acts 5:1-4: “But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? “While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

This was not about tithes but a freewill promise they made and they did not keep their word. This does not mean as some claim every time you intentionally lie you will be judged so you must keep your vows (though we should have no intention of doing so); not if you were manipulated by lies into keeping the vow.

Consider what Paul wrote to Timothy the young pastor of Ephesus, “But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness” (1 Timothy 6:6-11). If someone is always talking about mammon, then they are not serving God. You cannot have two masters.

New Covenant Principles

The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7: “Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.” Grace means freedom- law means obligation. We should give back to God as he prospered us, as we purpose in our hearts.

The epistles are the teachings for the church. They contain numerous instructions, corrections and rebukes. Not one of these letters have tithing taught or practiced for the Church--The tithe is not mentioned as an obligation. Tithing is mentioned in the book of Hebrews which was written to Jewish believers in the Messiah, not to Gentile churches. The word “tithes” is found four times in Hebrews chapter 7, more than all the epistles combined. (Heb.7:5, 7:16, and 7:18.) The New Testament focuses on our High Priests ministry of Jesus Christ of whom Melchizedek was pre-figured in type (Heb. 7:2, 4, 5-9). Abraham's tithe in Hebrews 7 is mentioned to explain the greater priesthood of Christ, it is not teaching the practice of tithing to the Church.

Hebrews 7:5: “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham.” (Heb. 7:9-10 Levi was in the loins of his father when Abraham met the priest of Salem.) Only the sons of Levi were to receive tithes. This means if we do not have a Levitical priesthood we have no right to ask for tithes as if they are obligated to the church. In other words, the Levitical priesthood was instituted with the tabernacle, and the Temple-- not the church. God has given a new priesthood to the church-- according to the order of Melchizedek. Again, what was given to this priesthood was a freewill offering of the spoils, not a portion of Abram’s income. For the writer of Hebrews says, 7:11-12: “Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”

Heb 7:16: speaks of the new priesthood “who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.” It continues V.18 “For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness.” Now here we find something interesting, the very place many find the origin of tithing actually denies it continual practice because of its association with the law. The Jewish believers were under grace just as the gentiles were and they were told that the law ended! There is a disannulling of the commandment. The Levitical priesthood was not perfect, therefore it was necessary for a change in the priesthood, and a change of the law. Hebrews 7:5 tithing is called a fleshly, (carnal) ordinance, according to the law because of it association with a priesthood that is no longer in effect. Jesus’ priesthood is superior, having the power of an endless life, not in relation to a covenant that was temporary (Heb.8:13).

Verse 18 disannulling (abolishment) of the commandment going before (what commandment is he referring to? The one mentioned in chapter 7, v:19 “for the law made nothing perfect.” (This includes the commandment to take tithes). Tithing is abolished according to the New Testament (discontinued, obsolete). V.19 continues “on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.” V.22 “by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.” The question that needs to be answered by every individual is: which covenant do you want to be under?

Throughout the history of the Church many have attempted to apply portions of the Mosaic Law and incorporate it into the practice for the church. The Judaizers did it with circumcision, and other portions of the law. The Galatians listened to the Judaizers, as many listen to the lawful tithers of our day. The same words apply “O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you” (Gal. 3:1). The law is obsolete (Heb.8:13). We are under the law of the Spirit which speaks of liberty, not the Old Testament law, which obligates tithing as well as many other things.

The same people that impose their false interpretation of “for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life” (2 Cor. 3:6) bring people back under the law to extract money from their pocket for their ministry support. This is confusion, not rightly dividing the word. The Pharisees, who loved money, became blind because they upheld their own laws and interpretations over Moses’ law, and were stricter at enforcing them. We essentially have the same thing going on today with new concepts of how coerce people to give, now it goes far beyond tithing. They call it seed faith, the Bible has nothing to say on this. No Apostle ever instructed the church to sow a seed, (which is actually the word according to Jesus) of money, and wait for a hundredfold harvest to come in. (according to the prosperity teachers- If it isn’t a hundredfold then it is still to be used as seed again.)

They solicit funds by asking the people to open up your heart (which usually means your wallet) and give to the work that God is blessing so mightily. “Give, pressed down and shaken together” as they promise God will give to you abundantly after you give to them; “you can’t out give God,” and they promise a “100 fold blessing,” “Give this amount now because there is an unusual anointing here,” or “whatever God gives to me will give to you if you partner with me.” The Bible says in Proverbs 21:6: “Getting treasures by a lying tongue is the fleeting fantasy of those who seek death.” Your cup runneth over with such lying words and false promises.

You will always find that those who promote the “give to get concept” will use the Old Testament. They will interpret the new in light of the old, not the old in light of the new. God deals with our motives and he sees the people using His word for ill gotten gain. We need to see the manipulation taking place and make people aware that they are giving their money to those who buy new cars, jets, houses and live a luxurious lifestyle. We should support ministries, big or small, but we need to look into how the money is actually being spent. We are supposed to be servants, not live like kings. Pause and think about it; go to the Scripture to see how the apostles lived and what they taught the church.

In Exodus 36 Moses asked the people for offerings to help build the tabernacle, but even then it was not tithes, they gave willfully and cheerfully. The people gave so much that Moses finally asked them to stop giving. Have you ever heard someone into seed faith say stop the giving? The New Testament believers are to operate by grace giving not tithing by law and we are certainly not to be ruled by made up prosperity promises by money hungry men.

A majority of churches practice tithing more as principle. It may be a matter of semantics when they collect tithes and offerings. What is often meant is that they are making a distinction between regular support of the local church and giving more as one has been blessed. But there are some that are very legalistic and make tithing a matter of proving one is saved. They condemn the people for not being obedient and basically spiritually abuse them. The Bible is clear that we should give to God’s work, but not because we are obligated to keep a tithing law that is under the Old covenant.

We are to give freely as we so choose. The New covenant asks that we give our lives as living sacrifice to Him who bought us, not just 10% of our money, according to our reasonable service (Romans 12:1). Under the law if your giving only 10% of your money you would still be robbing God. Actually, they rob themselves, because God's blessings can only come through grace-giving.

The law has passed away (Heb.8:13) we are under grace. If you have to keep the law then you must keep it all. The law and grace are two completely different systems and two completely different covenants. Romans 8:4: “That the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Tithing was required by the Law; giving is what we do not according to the Law but according to grace. Our answer is not to go back under the Law but to be under grace. Grace is given to us and we choose how much to “give,” this is not to be confused with a command to “tithe.” God will bless if you have your faith in the right thing, not false promises. It is impossible to keep the tithe exactly as Moses' law commanded: since it was largely agricultural and it was specifically for the nation Israel.

If you don't tithe is it a sin? If you barely have enough to live on it is not the same as someone who has all their needs met and can easily give. So do not become overwhelmed with guilt by men who bring fear of judgment to you.

Again, “Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver (2 Corinthians 9:7). Everyone should support the work of their local church some way, by their serving, their money, their gifts or talents they have. “Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life”(1 Timothy 6:18-19). [/b][/b]
the person that wrote this must be from winners chapel may God open ur eyes coz ur blinded
Religion / Re: Testimonies On Why We Stopped Tithing Here by Okeyson4wisdom(m): 9:54am On Oct 07, 2013
Pastor Kun:

Too many brethen are suffering becos of this false doctrine and the gospel of Christ is being polluted in the process. We cannot afford to rest on our oars whilst brethen are perishing due to lack of knowledge.
all you that want to send people to hell because of ur wickedness and and brainwashing people not to pay tithes u will suffer in hell. To all those that pay their tithes God will rebuke the devourers for ur sake. Pls never think ure paying tithes to ur pastor. Focus on christ and he will bless you

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