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Pilgrim has become a broken record. She repeats and yet, again, she repeats. Boriiiing. Pele Aburo mi.

I know you are not ignorant, but just arrogant. Arrogancy is worst. Thats what led Pharaoh to perish. It is the same desease that Satan suffers.

I am not like you. I do not puff up. It is what you did against the Christian when you were a "fake" muslim. The same fakery hasn't left you. Now that you are christian, your problem is compounded by the "Uphoric desease" that plagues Christianity.

Now to my statement: I said being referred to in the Qur'an as "people of the book," does not mean that "you are declared as "intelligent people!" I hope your eyes can read and your "heart" can understand. Although, i have my reservations.

Aburo, your case is strange. I wanna know how being called people of the books simply mean people of intelligent, especially when you call a human being, who "used to eat, used the toilet, and wept, etc," as god, among and in addition to father, and ghost.

Ojoro owo e poju. Moo mo e ton. Pata pata poro godo. Ignorance is what will make a man calls another god and or calls him co-god!

@Pilgrim.1: « #15 on: Yesterday at 10:19:31 AM »

Quote from: nanayisha on November 03, 2008, 01:56 PM
As a Muslim I have to be careful of my response with this post.

Okay, you're a muslim - thanks for throwing in your worries here and not in the muslim section. I have imagined that people who are too gleeful to applaud every idea passed off without weighing their underpinnings would not see that. There are several threads that have been raised about this issue already; but why this one on "The Ignorance of Christians"? On the contrary, Christians are not ignorant - and the OP being a muslim should have known this right out of his quran that Christians are intelligent people!

Okare, Pilgrim. Bee ni tie nri.
Where is the intelligence about Christianity expressed in the Qur'an, which you are using as your source of refernce? The Qur'an used an alegory that the from mankind we have people who could be compared to donkeys. For the donkey may carry a load of books, but not reading "a lickle" (any) of it. Allah says that the brail (noise, sound) of the Donkey/mule is empty.

Since you referred to the Qur'an, I hope you did not miss the Prophetic/Messangership position of Jesus and the Statement of his mission in Surah Safat? I hope you did not miss the statement that Allah does not have a son, and it does not befits His Majesty to do so, and others refuting your Biblical and Christendom claims about Trinity in Surah Mariam and in other places, including Surah Imran, etc?

I hope you saw the commandment by Allah in Surah Zumar where Muhammad (AS) is commanded to say to All mankind That if Alah were to have a child, he Muhammad would have been the first to be commanded to worship that child when Muhammad began his ministry. If any intelligent person looked into this very statement, he/she would not have any difficulty relating it to the first 13 years of Islam, the Makkan period. This period was devoted on a single purpose; the destructions of all forms of descendancy and coequalship of anything, manmade, alive, in heaven, on earth, beneath it, past, present or future, compared to Allah the Almighty God the Creator!

The Arab's many idols, as well as the Christian trinity and the icons of other religions fall into this very single group! They were addressed 100% without any other aspects of Islam being given any attention. Even in Madina, where the legislative part of Islam was formulated, the singular theme of Makkan period was the cetral piece of it. So when Surah Iklas was revealed, it in its 4 or 5 verses, has the same reward as 1/3 of the sum total of the whole Qur'an.

Could we also see you open a thread in fairness and tagged: "The Ignorance of Muslims"?

Please open one. Alot of Muslims, including myself are ignorant. But islam is safeguard from ignorance. There is no inconsistency in Islam.

@Davidylan: « #10 on: November 04, 2008, 09:15 PM »

This is what Nanayisha has to say about salvation in Jesus Christ our Lord

- I am definitely at a lost with this one. If any argue is unconsistent, this is the one.
First it is said that no soul shall carry the burdens of another, then it is said that Jesus died for the Sins of Man.
Please can we go back to logical. I don't understand the ethos of this ideology. If Jesus died for the sins of Man, why do we need to be good. Why do we need to live clean lives.

If anything should come from a religion, it should be consistency.

If i wrote EXACTLY this piece but replaced "Jesus" for Allah, called his quran inconsistent and illogical . . . would nana still accuse me of being insultive?

Just for the heck of it, if you were to replace Jesus with Allah, you will find that you will not find that "verse" consistent with th Qur'an. Or can you show us, from the Qur'an or Sunnah where you read that Allah will or dd die for the sins of man? Or any place where Jesus is compared as equal to Allah in the Qur'an? Please be serious, man.

Ijebu a jeba jewe. lol.

@Davidylan: « #5 on: November 04, 2008, 08:47 PM » (Ogbeni Dauda! We muu toon!)

Quote from: nanayisha on November 03, 2008, 02:30 PM
You always talk about Jesus Christ, but I put it to you that a lot of you do not exemplify his teachings. I believe a lot of you need to go back to the drawing board.


the quran also talks glibly about Jesus . . . do YOU exemplify his teachings?

What is possible humanly possible in the ordinary daily live of Jesus(AS) and indeed, all the other prophets (AS Jamia) are practiced by many in Islam. So the sunnahs of each of the prophets, if it is not abrogated (since the meat/dairy consumption combination, still practiced by the nations of the children of israel, in honor of the hindquarter no-eating imposition was a personal one for Jacob), are practiced by muslims.

So for example, muslim men wear beard, use shawl to cover head, fast like Jesus, or Dauda, etc. Jesus is not the only one muslims emulate and copy! Of course, the acts that are out of the ordinary by each can not beengaged in by muslims. So we can not mode a clay in the shape of a bird and make it fly like Jesus did, for example, because we are not prophets. But Jesus was and each of his miracles was a clear sign about his prophethood, and a direct challenge to the disbelievers of his time to ponder and make good and soul saving decision to follow his guidance. Few deid and many refused because of arrogance.

I have not heard of a christian who have shaped a piece of clay like bird and make it come alive! When you, davidylan can do that let me know.

And you are making all these analysis of America society all the way from Nigeria? I wonder what Colin Powell and Vernon Jordan, and Oprah Winfrey, etc are truly by your style of thinking?

Colin Powell was visibly shocked up in the interview he had about this Victory of Obama all the way in Hong Kong. Oprah was in the cold last night in Chicago to listen to Obama's speech. Jessie Jackson was crying like a baby, with tears streaming down his cheeks.

Plus_Queen; you see I do not come to the "political section." How do we get Nigeria better when we are armchair pundits of american politics when we hve never lived in America?

I wonder if you know that your #3 negates Jesus in this case, since you always have to go through him? Oshobu!

@DEEPZONE: « #97 on: Today at 12:43:24 AM »

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Islamic paradise is by the mercy of Allah. When I said I am not "righteous," it means I humble myself before the Most Merciful. the Most Forgiving. It is a sign that I seek His Mercy and Forgiveness, without being arrogant, full of pride of any "good deed," that imay know that I have done. The spirits of humility and humbleness, are not in your Christian Books. I know. I talk to a bunch of your type, everyday.


So you don't have any ASSURANCE that after bowing down and using your kneel to scrape the floor all your lifetime, you'll get to Allahs paradise?. Allah may decide to dump you at the last minute and replace your spot with David Dylan, right?. Thank God Jesus assured mine and paid my price on the cross.

Aburo. Se iwo o ka nkon ti mo ko ni ko to fun mi lesi? Where did I say I do not have assurance in my piece? A person who is not arrogant, but humble with a good dash of humility, does not in any way translate to unassuredness. Your christian blind heart will not let your mind comprehend this, since your inner eye can see anything good.

InshaAllah, I am a people of paradise. Without any doubt. My prayer, my worship, my living and my death are all for the pleasure of Allah Tabaraka wa Taala. Look, baby, if i have 100 T Pound Sterling, and more, I will spend everything for the pleasure of my Lord. I will ask Him to give me more so that I can spend all for His pleasure. That will include when I eat good food, and all the best that this life has to offer. All of that including my life, for His pleasure.

Jesus can never guarantee anything, and certainly, he could never have assured you of any Paradise. All that was just wishful thinking because of Christian Ignorance. I am very certain of that. Your statement about him being a means of assurance for your success in the day of judgemnt, is like your denial of him as a "jihadist" when he said in your Bible that they should bring his enemies, and be "slayed" before him? Peaceful, indeed. Just the same way he was an assured path to "heaven," while he cried out; "my God (not my father, not my comrade, not my alter ego, not my coequal, not my associate,etc) my God, "why" (questioning in this case is a sign of disbelief) has thou forsaken me?

Funmi darling, can your equal in authority has the power to forsake you? Ma pami lerin. And what happened to my email to you?

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My name is hope. i live on hope in the Mercy and Forgiveness of Allah. What are you talking about, oh you disbelieving soul? Now you allow me to come hard on you. Maybe your eyes will be wide open like that of the "bush baby!"

Jesus offers Assurance of salvation and not HOPE. Hope is dependent on how it plays out. You could be dumped like Hilary Clinton at the last minute.

Regular comedian. Se you now appear on Comedy central? Or is it BET? My relationship with Allah is not uncertain. Remember that your Bible says about Christians, that Jesus said not all who calls him lord, lord, will enter "heaven!"

Maybe you will be waiting for "rapture" and die waiting. I am certain it will never come! Just like Jerry Fahwell. O je jawo kuro ni apon tio yo. Ko gbomi la kanoo. Sisi Funmi.

I think if you read my whole statement, and your heart was not practicing deceitfulness, you would have realised that I did not say in anyway that the 13 years old girl was guilty.

I simply reinurated and put in place a scenario, that even if a grown woman or any woman at all invited a man to illicit sex, he should use his head to work away from what is "illicit!" Olaadegbu, please lo joko.

If you follow my argument, you will realise that I feel terrible that the people stoned the young girl to death. The process of judging a sexual crime is very complex. It involves at least 4 witnesses seeing the people in the conjugal act. Not just unclothedness. But actual sex, itself. And even then they have to swear and call the curse of Allah on their own heads if they lied.

And the acused, will have to do the same thing. If the accused does that, those who were certain as witnsses will lose their witnessing value in future matters. A person who was being stone, who cries out that he or she did not do it, should be left alone, for the judgement of Allah, in the day of Judgement. To have killed a young girl who clearly said, according to your piece above that she was not going and said tha they should not kill her, is clearly not from the Mercy of Allah.

I know that Allah forgives all sins. And Zina from the Qur'an is not the same as Riba which Allah says the offenedr who does not desist should expect a war aginst him, from Allah and His Mesenger (AS). Yet there is forgiveness in it.

I think Somalia saw a poor soul among them to vent their frustration. Their action was simply unislamic.

@PeperSprAY: « #91 on: Today at 07:17:29 PM »

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Show me a line where I incinuated that I am a"righteous man?" But I hope that I am not an always a horrible man, either. What you will not find in my value is Disagreeing with Qur'an and Muhammad (AS)!
So you are saying you are not a righteous man? That means that you will not go to heaven by Islamic standards according to you?.

Islamic paradise is by the mercy of Allah. When I said I am not "righteous," it means I humble myself before the Most Merciful. the Most Forgiving. It is a sign that I seek His Mercy and Forgiveness, without being arrogant, full of pride of any "good deed," that imay know that I have done. The spirits of humility and humbleness, are not in your Christian Books. I know. I talk to a bunch of your type, everyday.

Why are you wasting your time then worshipping Allah and Mohammed?.

Your ignorant assumption is tiredsome. I do not worship Muhammad (AS)! Unlike you who worships a mere mortal, I know tht Allah is the Only One deserving all my worship, in the way Muhammad, His Messenger and Prophet (AS) have instructed by His Commands, in Islam. Shio. lol. I had wanted to say that for the longest. You gave me the opening. Your ignorance of Islam allows me to educate you and thank Allah that I am not a non-muslim!

Do you derive any joy or remuneration from religious practice?. If you are worshiping God without HOPE, whats the essence?.

My name is hope. i live on hope in the Mercy and Forgiveness of Allah. What are you talking about, oh you disbelieving soul? Now you allow me to come hard on you. Maybe your eyes will be wide open like that of the "bush baby!"

You see why I told you before that it's only Jesus Christ than can offer you hope and not the other one that cannot be mentioned anyhow.

Ignorant talk. If Jesus offers hope, what does Father offers? Its got to be different. Should it not? Afterall, Father is more powerful than Jesus. If Jesus offers hope, what does Holy Ghost offers? It should be different than what Jesus offers. Afterall, he is a different nature, since he is unseen and did not get nailed on the cross. PererSprAY, you are some funny dude. Thanks for making me laugh by this post.

Kudo to the father who defended the "honor" of her daughter. Even if she was 23 or older, a woman raped should not be punished by death, for even inviting the rape, while the evil men who raped her were not punished first. The men were at least just as guilty because they could have walked away.

@PePERspAY: « #85 on: Yesterday at 06:21:12 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 04:04:52 PM
And there is a group of people who claim they are Muslims. But in everything they do, their actions, their speeches, their deeds are conclusively opposite of this claim of theirs. These people are called Hypocrites. Their conditions are worse than that of the outright disbelievers, because of their deceitfulness. Their hearts are filled with gimmicks and insincerities.

I pray that I and others don't come from this group of Muslims. Amin.


I thought the quran said something about judging others. Are you a righteous man?

Show me a line where I incinuated that I am a"righteous man?" But I hope that I am not an always a horrible man, either. What you will not find in my value is Disagreeing with Qur'an and Muhammad (AS)!

@theHomer: « #37 on: Yesterday at 06:20:26 PM »

@olabowale
Lisa asks what would be the result of
a) well trained terrorists whose
b) main leader knows a lot about the construction industry
c) planned this heinous act for over two years
d) carried it out on an unsuspecting civilian population
e) using publicly accessible materials
carrying out such an attack if Allah did not exist?

Since Allah does exist, the condition to assume and test out your hypothesis, will not occur. Silly Homer Simpson. lol. Your idea is in the same breadth, even worse that somebody is asking you if it was possible for you to exist, without your parents? Was it possible man, since the event was already played out? father and mother getting together and producing you?

@thehomer: Who is Lisa, who have employed you as "her" mouth piece? I hope she is getting you for Zero dollar down. Meaning that you are interning with her in this regard for free. You need a lot of that, until you really can be savvy enough to be left alone on your own.

I am going by your list of questions above, duuh!You are almost behaving like Homer Simpson. There is no Merg, and Lisa in your life? Only Bert, so you invented Lisa? Haa, I get it! I will still like to meet that Lisa of yours, though! lol.

It seems as if Lisa and you did not get the direction of the Thread! We are simply saying that, with all the ability of the world, indeed the West and Particularly the United States, the incident of 911 can only occur just one time alone. There is no way that the condition can repeat itself.

Hence the "One time Event" phrase of the topic. But wait. We have argued that the conditions of things which were regarded as normal before 911 was shattered. And immediately after that day, it returned, to the normal conditions, which were known and accepted prior to and up the very first event of what is known as 911! I do not drink alcohol. can you imagine me drinking all night long, without any hangover and yet manage to board an airplane at 7.30 am without anyone detecting that I was smelling like "trash; thats what alcohol is to me," and yet I have the way with it all to stay in control and perform a feat that is very extreme, even if I have trained for it all my life and was well rested in all the real time leading to it?

The case of the hijackers was even worse, if they were truly muslims; their conscience should have warned them against such a horrific enterprise!

Now Lisa should have known that nothing is done in Isolation of the US intelligent communities around the world. Then they have their student intelligent communities, like the MOSSAD and MIs of Israel and England, just to name a couple to support them. Look back at the efficiency of the US intelligence before and then since after 911. You will see that the lax on 911, was something extremely unusual.

The Civil Engineer that you alluded to along with his lackies, and cohorts, never could assume that they were invisible to the knowledge of US Intelligent community. There is no sound made with communication device, that the US can not know about, if she wishes to know. A proof: many a times, in the recent years and even months that bomb attacks were lunched into the street and neighborhood of Somalia, to "kill" a specific target. How do they know about these targets in far away Somalia?

I know you will tell me there are plants among the people. So there would not be a denial of the existence of plants among the people who surround the Stupid Engineer, too. I remember that they show us a "earth google" image of muslims in prayer on the body of their deads in the wild of Afghanistan, a year or two ago. It was claimed that there was a very tall person among them. This tall figure was assumed to be the engineer.

Do you think that the same opportunity will arise again and they will just leave them alone, without killing the tall figure, even if he was a collateral, along with his companions? This is the type of one time event we are talking about!

Allah, the Almighty says in His book, that no soul dies except that Allah allows it to be so. Nothing as a leaf from a tree falls except that it is within the Knowledge of the Almighty.

When am I going to meet Lisa? Doo ooh! Homer, you need to go back to Moe's Tavern/Pub without the Alcohol. I am a muslim, so I do not advocated the consumption of Alcohol.

And even her beauty should be for herself, first for the pleasure of Allah. I like how I feel whenever I have a good haircut, etc. I know how I feel when I dress up, even wearing the right under clothing; and if I put on couture clothing, not because of the price and its uncommonness, but its fit, its right cut and how it drapes on the body. With the right fragrance, your whole attitude is up a notch. As they say the cloth does not make the man, thats when you are wearing a tacky clothing. The proper and right wear complements the wearer as much as the wearer complements it.

A woman must be alluring, suffisticated and always feel on top of the world. She should take a good care of herself, for herself first, then as the eye candy of the husband. Both reason, for the pleasure of Allah, who created man from the best of molds. That and others make the marriage grounded. I love my heart to skip a bit when i think about my bride. I try to make hers feel exactly that, too. I do not want a woman who is not suffisticated. I should not be the one who cares more about looking good and feeling great between her and me.

Just because people are married, that should not kill the romance. I have friend who still refers to his wife as his girlfriend. Thats a way of exitement in the marriage.

And there is a group of people who claim they are Muslims. But in everything they do, their actions, their speeches, their deeds are conclusively opposite of this claim of theirs. These people are called Hypocrites. Their conditions are worse than that of the outright disbelievers, because of their deceitfulness. Their hearts are filled with gimmicks and insincerities.

I pray that I and others dont come from this group of Muslims. Amin.

@JJYOU:

meaning not in the name of islam? i want you to read what your brother from kano said below and tell me which of the islam says yes they should be stoned to death? listen to that BBC link of the eye witness and tell me how any sane human being can bury a fragile 13yrs old for stoning.
Quote from: muhsin on Today at 12:36:12 PM
If she was married and later (or eventually) captured having an illigitimate affair with another man, then yes, she should rightly be stoned to death.

I wonder if everything a group of people from other religion, which is not Islam do, will be classified as "in the name of that particular religion, if I use your model of thinking, as above, JJYOU?" Will I be correct then?

And by the way, my brother from Kano, as you have advised me, has his own way of looking at Islam, while I have my own, when it comes to Mercy, Forgiveness, Justice, Repercussion, Punishment, etc. Islam is not homogenious, in the way we see things. Every person who I have discussed this topic with in my circle of Islamic friends have a big problem with it. Reasons are many, but some are that she was raped, she was only thirteen, and the people should have gone through the Islamic jurispudence with qualified Jurists. The vigilante mentality belongs to the period of ignorance and not Islam.

And my Islam is sound. It is from my soul. I am not apologetic to you, or any muslim in as long as I am of the view of my Prophet (AS). I understand mercy and compassion, and forgiveness. I hope you read my post as I put it, without your own "twisted" meaning. The Mercy of Allah is exprssed more than His punishment of justice.

@Chrisbenogor:

I don't care who has dropped what for what not, I speak for myself and myself alone, show me that there is GOD? the onus is on you to prove it to me beyond reasonable doubt, and not just me to every other religion on what the nature of God is.
Since you have the blueprint with you why not come up with reasons why a fire cannot bring it down the way it did?

Chris, lets put the onus on you first; show us, without th shadow of any chance to disproof you that God does not exist. When you can do that, and everyone can not see a loophole in your argument, then, we the believers in existence of a God, will present our case.

Be aware that on this forum, there are well established lawyers, etc who will poke holes in your best arguments. All that is needed to be established is a reasonable doubt to your effort.

As to the way the buildings fell, if we use #7 which is not a glass skin building in the same mannar like the much taller #s 1 and 2, and not having a direct plane impact of any kind, even if it experienced a great tremor, it could not have been as great as 1 and 2. It is very peculiar that as the day was getting to a close, the decision was made to "pull down # 7", and it immediately came down! Was there any noticable stress like crack or fracture on the outside wall? Was there anyway to even know that, about it, in the chaotic scene that the whole world was watching about 1 and 2?

Interesting that Silverstein did not give any reason, except that they decide to pull it down. Should that be enough; a mere decision without offering any engineering reason that may raise such a concern, as if it has something to with safelt, because of Structural damages? As I remember, there was a huge web of subway tracks, under WTC. And it did not get closed for a long time. Tell me about it.

My question to you is this; is there any possibility that a multiple storey building could be commanded to fall, and it did on command, except there was an initial impregnation of all its load bearing elements to give way, as soon as it is commanded? can you do that without any demolition materials placed in them, when there was no use of a wrecking ball?

If there were 1 and 2, and there was 7, there must be 3, 4, 5 and 6. What happened to buildings numbers 3, 4 , 5 and 6? If they did not fall down with 1 and 2 and they were not pulled down with 7, that evening, when did they fall? Why was it that they did not have the same structural conditions that will warrant the same command for them to be pull down, just as fast as 7 was, in the same short space of time?

Anyone who has any knowledge of demolition, no building that was okay the day before, would come down the following day as 7 did, unless there were materials placed in the strategic places in the building to make it come down. Incidentally, there are many buildings around the WTC, none fell or damaged as a result of this! And some of the buildings are just as close, except they are directly across the street, and not counted as part of the complex.


And your question about building materials being different from place to place, is somewhat shameful. Even in America, the Desert region of Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, have what is called adobe style. Its a different style of building that the style of row/town houses of prewar New York or North East style of building.The soil is different and definitely, Japan and US are different for obvious reasons: earthquakes, Soil moisture and texture, and of course Japan is a collection of Islands. Continental US is a much much bigger island, rivalling Africa, in size, if you factor in canada and Mexico, its bigger or at least equal.

A thirteen year old, regardless of her sexual history is just aperson to be forgiven. She may not have reached puberty, yet. But to have been raped, also, there isnt any justification for her losing her life for acts performed on her by individuals who are worse thn cattle!

In Islam, Allah spoke about mercy and forgiveness more than punishment and revenge. Allah emphasises that age of maturity is 40. We see that this late young soul was way less than 40. May Allah the Almighty forgive her and make her from th people of Paradise. May He strengthen her parents and her people to accept the loss and use her as a means of mercy and forgiveness for them, her loved ones.

I hope those vigilantes can have the backbones to do "justice" on the perpetrators of the evil act on her. I hope too that they search their soul and show anyone, either from Qur'an or Sunnah their justification for what they did. Considering the rulings that surrounds illegal sexual act, a person raped could not have been qualified as a willing perticipant of this illegal sex act! Even, if they have the most overwhelming evidence against her, the very fact that she said she was raped, nullified every shred of evidence.

Finally, Somalia has become a lawless society. Proof; is there a place for highsea piracy, which is the same as hijacking? Yet you see in the news segments where these people indulge in such evil. Could they be people who make the muslim prayers in full concentration? I doubt it, because they must be always ready to attack or be anticipating attacks from many quarters.

Not all acts have its grounding in Islam. The rape, and the killing of the raped, and hijacking are just some of these evil acts.

Omo Illinois. Illini boy. The cat from Chitown.

@Chrisbenogor: « #23 on: Yesterday at 04:17:56 PM »  

Oga ola, until then no wahala,  only right now the Idea of God sounds too absurd to believe. Sorry but there is nothing mystic about it I have told you to give me an educated question, show me why the structure would have held its own after the planes crashed into the other buildings, what effect did vibrations have on the other buildings, did anyone measure it. The hotel in madrid was it the same thing as the world trade centre.
So the allah killed John f kennedy and senator kennedy too? You are most def high on something.  
As for the yoruba word you seem to know everything, ask allah, till then stop using crystal meth!

Show me why the building should not hold its on? Afterall #7 was not hit and the fact that it fell on command should tell you something. If you are an engineer, you will no that a building can not just come down on its own, without giving some signs of "Stress", prior to it just suddenly collapsing. Silverstein, the lessee of the complex killed any reasonable argument that anyone may have for the Building # 7 coming down as a result of what happened to 1 and 2, by his confession of "we decided to pull it down!"

How do you pull it down, without using any "demolition machines; the big wrecking balls, etc", except you have already placd "explosive charges," before hand to cause "implosion," otherwise, we will have to agree that the building is animated enough to "hear your command of coming down and it obeyed you!" Chrisbenogor, since you are an Atheist, I think you seem to believe that the inanimated object, building # 7 heard his owner and obeyed it!

You can speak fooku in yoruba. No wonder I didn't understand it. lol. Oh Boy, Yoruba overseas is not Yoruba o.



@reindeer: « #24 on: Yesterday at 09:30:46 PM »  

really, whats the poiint of this post?
that allah had a hand in the 9/11 attack or that he supported it?
is this some kind of justification for his existence?
if it is then i hope he doesnt try to make more people see him
it'll be bad for the earth.
so olabs, tell him we agree, he exists ok? so we wont have to witness any more carnage as proof of his existence.

Reindeer, you miss the point. You are trying to "interprete as if its Biblical Verse!" You dont need it here. The objective is to give an insight to those who do not believe that God exist, that He does. We are using cases where things exist just one time in an extemely "off the wall conditions!" Where the situation destroys all the expected "Normal" conditions expected to have bearing on the event!

For example, I even referred to Moses (AS) destroying a mighty army of King Pharaoh of Egypt, and that King in the Sea floor bed of the Red Sea. You are a Christian. Did Pharaoh and his military perished or not, by Moses using his Staff to part the sea so that the Children of israel can pass, while the milatary of Egypt and her King died in tha same very sea, after the poor people crossed unscathe? You do not get it: I know its too advanced for your Kiriyo mind! lol. Maa binu o. Dont vex oh boy.

 

@thehomer: « #26 on: Today at 12:30:44 AM »  

This is a more likely reason to doubt Allah's existence. Using death and destruction?  Why would he allow these 19 people use his name this way?

Han han! Doo oooh! You didn't get it just like Homer Simpson will never get it. I need to get Lisa to teach you. lol.
Are you a Christian man, or what are you? I need to give you your own medicine: my response will be in kind!



@manmustwac (m): « #27 on: Today at 12:40:41 AM »  

olabowale are you trying to say that 19 muslim fundamentalist crashing planes into buildings is evidence to prove that Allah exists

I did not say that: Open your mind and eyes and read the Topic! Duuh. lol.    



@Chrisbenogor (m): « #28 on: Today at 10:08:20 AM »  

@lapkene
I told you when you give me educated questions, I will give you educated answers.
I am sure you know how absurd it sounds that bombs were used to bring down the building, to start with I ask you what is a bomb made up of, and what kind of bomb would be the best to bring down the building like that, if you do your research well you will come up with the word, dynamite. Loads of it would be required to bring down the building and there is no way they would have been planted without the knowoledge of people,  and for the building to fall the way it did, they would have to be set in a particular sequence or else the buildings would explode and scatter anyhow.
So we can strike out the bomb part.
Next  you did not put into consideration the politics that would have played, remember katrina? What answers do you think the government would give if there were no cameras to cover the story, did you think they would accept it so easily if their hands were not caught in the cookie jar.
I think the fundamental     mistake you are making is accepting what government scientists have said as the whole truth, if they are lying, does that prove the existence of God?
Why would God even have a hand in such carnage, if your God was responsible, too bad he chooses to reveal himself that way when he can just appear in the sky and say I am God, everyone obey islam or christianity, how hard can that be?

Bad education breed bad thinking: And they think that they will never die! And have they not looked around that "humans are not forever?" No one will last for ever. And when death approaches and they see the reality, then they will know. But it will be too late.

I wonder how you concluded that I ran? So when anyone says another is a time waster, it will mean that the speaker ran away from the time waster, according to you? Only a strange mind at work: PepERSprAY!

@Congoshine: « #39 on: Yesterday at 09:54:29 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 12:22:58 PM
@mybad:
Women are not supposed to cut their hair, you know.

Please which hair,are u referring to? Thanks.

The Sunnah of all prophets, including that of the last (AS Jamiah), is that the pubic hairs, including that of the armpit be lean, always. For men, the facial hair, beard is to be lesft alone, in the same sunnah of all the prophets. You do know that all the prophets were men, and none was without beard, right?

Now men do cut the hair on the head. They can shave it, also. If a woman is normal, she will have a full head of hairs. In the rites that mark the end of hajj, the men were shavened. In the case of the woman , she only have a snippet, say a quarter inche yo an inch (measurement is mine to emphasise to you that in this extreme case, only next to nothing is cut from the head).

By the way, if you read my full entry, where you cull up your "shich hairs< Question," I had indicated that it is the that on the head. I think a casual reader will know by the desciptions of man's conditions versus the woman's.



@Cayon (f): « #41 on: Today at 03:31:23 AM »

Quote from: congoshine on Yesterday at 09:54:29 PM
Please which hair,are u referring to? Thanks.

this forum is funneeee

Cayon, you are a woman. Please tell us about what you think makes a normal and most woman face, since women always, for the most part have soft facial structure, unlike the gauntness of men's facial structure , more beautiful: the women who leaves her hair long with lusterness and luxury in it, full of shine or the woman who shaves clean, trying to be a punk or bohemian; you know the Chelsea neighborhood type, behaving as if she belongs to the "drag queen or bowery crowd?"

For my money, which woman do you think exhibit more feminine quality? Hey if you know Harlem, go ask the old timers, the ones who ejoyed the Cotton club and the Apollo glory days; they will tell you. Did you ever see a picture of Leana Horne or Deindridge or any of the "Divas" bold before? Even now, the best of women always want their hair to be long and thick with more sheen, bounce and luster.

Hey, for me I know what I want: Long rope that is as far as the eyes can see; long for days, finding new ways to put it into good use.

I know the little boys will not know the usage of this: This in itself separate the men from the little boys.

@Cayon: « #50 on: Today at 04:36:07 AM »

verse 100 of Sura Al- An’am . So why Allah created Jinn (especially the bad ones) Knowing that the bad ones can whisper evil things in your ears and cause you to do haram things. Why create something knowing that it is bad. why??

Allah said that Jinns and mankind He gave free will. He also gave the laws and process of knowing good and also wrong. It is in the free will of Jinns and men that you find Jinns who are good; muslims among their nations as it is clearly expressed in Surah Jinn. The Jinns who saw Prophet Muhammad and went to their nations to tell them that a New Prophet had appeared, in the same law informing like Moses!

The disbelieving among the Jinns include their chief; Shaitan, who agitates his followers among them into diobedience with his lies. They in turn because they are his associates, comrades in lies and creating ways of disobedience of man to the rules of Allah. Jus like among mankind, you find those who will encourage others to disobey Allah.


In this wise, you have evil doers and instigators to doing evils among Jinns and mankind, too. This is why the verse in the Bible, where Jesus (AS) was reported to have said that no one among his followers after him should try to abrogate or postulate the abrogations of any of the laws of the Old Prophets, is agreeable with the Muslims.

If Jesus did not abrogate it himslef, if was not proper for any of his so called followers to do contrarily to what he did. For example he did "good work" which were not selfish work, but selfless work on Sabbath. This is in the same mood that you have muslims, not stopping doing productive work on Fridays.

The Jinns like humans do have freewill and they have the choice of doing good (obedience) and the choice of doing evil (disobedience), just like man.

@Chrisbenogor:

so my dear that it cannot be reconstructed now does not mean there is anything mystic about it.

If this is your best proposition, then allow me to use it against you:
Just because your best "knowledge" as an atheist can not allow you
to know that Allah the Almighty Creator is in Existence, does not mean that
in the future, when better knowledge appears among mankind, the atheists
then can still think that existence of God is mystical, hence unbelievable, but
will find it that it is a "reality." Then the who Atheistical moement will collapse and
dies off!

Interestingly, when the towers werebeing designed, they had in mind the scenario of "Airplane flying into it. And because it was steel framed building, can you proof to us if there is any of the steel frame that wa not "load bearing?"
Looking at the shearing and the signs of stresses on what remained standing as jagged as it were, one will ask why there were no " investigations," on the evidential remains of the piles of rubbles?


I live in New York City, and the signs of fire of that fateful day lingered till January, for sure December. Did any of the steel melted away after that day? America quickly carted the steel to China steel melting company. They investigated th Oklahoma city Buiding, with the bset of investigation.

Incidentally, a hotel in Europe, after 911 burnt for days and after that, did not fall beause of the fire. Before 911 many
a building got burnt, none fell as the twotowers did.

Finally how do you in engineering explain how Building # 7 fell as it was decided to be pull down, and it fell in under 2 hours? So fun mi? And you said a Yoruba word, erlier in your post. What was the meaning?

@Chrisbenogor: « #12 on: Today at 06:18:04 AM »

Did you have a puff of crystal meth too? I hear just one puff can keep you high for 24 hours,

This dude, Chris must definitely be a user of illegal substances. Otherwise he should not have been thinking that everyone who presents an opinion which he may not agree with is a user of anything illegal. How is it that your position is the correct one? I think Chris still lives in Kalakuta republic of Fela. I have news for you after you finish your Igbo; Fela has been dead for many years. Its time that you show and clean your yourself. Stop frying your brain. Go back to your people. Your family is looking for you. A village in Nigeria is looking for their MISSING IDIOT!

since when did any atheist say that he understands everything about how this world works? who understands everything about how this world works?

The more reason that you should know that your knowledge is so limited and there is an Entity Known as the Creator. That Creator is God in Oyinbo Language. He is Olorun in Yoruba. He is Allah in Arabia. He can bring about a condition that is so unique that can not be repeated ever or in a life time or in a generation. Inshort, a strange condition, defying all known normal conditions on a particular matter.

the quoted above just shows you are another naive and superstitious person.
What will certainly make an expert loose his job is if he says God did it, that is the height of stupidity.

You still didn't get it, Chris. Wait a minute; stop smoking Kukuye! Whats naive and superstitious about proposing an idea that is a good conversation piece? Was anything that happened on 911 not unique and refines all known normal cnditions on the material events; the people, he planes, the buildings and nations? America, for this very day changed her laws. Departments and agencies were created or remaned!

An expert does not mean he/she knows everything. Except the has more knowledge than the average Joe. Yesteryears experts are in todays standards maybe even less that todays average Joes. Tomorrow's experts will be definitely more knowledgeable that todays so called experts. Everything is relative. Duuuh.

What do you know about your brother Osama bin laden?

When you tell us what you know about your brother Adolf Hitler. You are talking like a sleeping man, now.

oya go and read about him, you stupidly said also no one that was from the american goverment worked with them, see you are wrong again go and read well then come back, oh and also throw in the first season of prison break, some things are a bit stretched but maybe it will give you an idea of how structural engineering works, Till then STOP USING CRYSTAL METH its dangerous.

A man who is asleep is not a good listerner. Read what lakpenne wrote, again. No where he mentioned Osama but as a cell in hand with few arabs with him to commit this "evil" deeds, if you believe the "official story." The consequence of your over usage of "Ewebe" is telling on you, man. Unless you are already in the middle age of your life, your condition is unusually critical

It is a well known facts that the arabs are usually late, and always difficult people to get things done correctly the very first time. There is a well known saying among them: The arabs agree to disagree! Now this is the ethnic group of people among the Semites that we are talking about. They are the opposite of their cousins, the nations of the children of israel, aka, the Jews, who are always prompt, focused and dtermined, with a relentless drive for a single purpose, their survival. Now resume your "brain frying activities."

I am a muslim, so I don't these things.

@Davidylan: « #11 on: Today at 02:39:35 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 10:43:24 PM
How about the parting of the SEA by the stick "Staff or dead wood" in the hand of Moses, and of course Pharah and his army arrogantly walked into the trap and perished in it?


allah is surely not above shamelessly plagiarising the bible eh? Stick to allah's tales from arabia. Funny how all of allah's "miracles" are from the bible. Outside it he strangely seems to have lost this "power".

Egypt is in Africa. Duuh. Where is the Ethnic Coptic, the same as ethnic Children of "Israel" tribes? I know i pricked somebody's open sore. Oh, its that of Davidylan's. I think the Ethnic Jewish tribes-men will disagree with your "Bible" naming of ther Torah. Where is that Story in the Christian's Bible, the New Testament, except in the Often discarded, added for decoration and pretention of "Big Religious Book" Old laws by Old prophet part, known as OT?

Remember the New Law and New Covenant have rendered the Old Prophets and their laws (Old Testament) USELESS and not worth the quality of the paper it is written on? Proof is: you Christians don't follow any part of the OT. If you do, then there is a quagmire between the rulings in OT versus the rulings in NT!

Lakpene is surely an islamic apologist. Only such a one can find some meaningful stuff in olabowale's rants.

Since your heart is "BLIND," David, it is not surprising that you will not see anything in my piece which you call "rant," here. Or in my pieces in other places. All this time I have been asking you to explain Mark 12 Verse 29 to us. You have been docking your head. Please stop begging my question. Mark 12 verse 29 is so plain that I wonder why you can't provide a direct honest to reality simple exeges that is domain to that very sentence. Look David there is no reason for "interpretation!" Only in the ploy for deceit that people talk about interpretation.

How do you interprete english word in english? I only ask for explanation and not INTERPRETATION!

Sure!

@mybad:

Quote from: olabowale on October 29, 2008, 01:32 PM

But actually, as the obedience to the commandment of Allah and the Messenger (AS).



This is new to me!

Women are not supposed to cut their hair, you know. Men can clean shaven their head. I used to do it, until maybe '03. Most people still remember me as "bald headed." Women only ceremoniously snip a little from their hairs to mark the completion of Hajj. While men are to shave the head for the same ocassion.

Hair beautifies the face of most women. I bald headed woman have to have a very interesting face, with wow bone structure to be considered pretty. She can't have that always expected of a woman's soft facial structure.

How about the parting of the SEA by the stick "Staff or dead wood" in the hand of Moses, and of course Pharah and his army arrogantly walked into the trap and perished in it?

Say something intelligent guys. Or we have a group of yellow belly, God disbelieving crowd, pretending to be pundits.

@Chrisbenogor and co: with your bewilderment and inability to contribute anything tangible.

« #4 on: Today at 07:40:51 PM »
I knew this dude would start doing crystal meth soon, so God was responsible for their death abi? OLOKOSHODUDU!

Where did I go wrong? Pre 911, we see things in the normal ways. After 911, the destructions of WTC gave us a different ways or theories that are abnormal from from what we used to know. Is there any pre 911 building collapse that mirrors the way the buildings fell that day; against the pancake theory of fall of floor collapsing on to of the floor below it?

And whats Olokoshodudu? Am a Yoruba man, but this is the first if its a Yoruba word!