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@KunleOshob: I dont have to twist anything, since you are in a silly sense was able to cull out "jesus is son of, , while some of you say he "is, "! You could not have a place in your Bible, where he boldly and unabashly made such a statement.

You guys have been able to arrive at said conclusions, because of your deductions via the parables and things that are not "direct!" Hence, the King in the parable, since many of you call "Jesus" king, etc, will be Jesus! If not, then tell me who the king was, and while you are at it, let me know how you came about your "god, or son or king of kings" titles about Jesus, when he himself, never for once made any of these claims?

He had a chance to declare his true position before Ceaser, but he didn't! Boldness I say.

And by the way, I simply stated what is in your Bible, since Jesus was always talking about himself, as something more than human, in parable, according to your understanding. While you attack this verse, you fail to attack what I said about preparation for war(s), by the sale of clothing and purchase instead "Swords!" I guess the warriors, since they will finish till they die will have no need for Clothing, and unclothedness is acceptable. lol.

@Tpia: « #61 on: Today at 07:04:08 AM »

gosh!!!!!!!!

seriously, why do you like chasing women so much? Its too obvious nah.

Two things you will be able not to confuse me with: a hypocrite and a person who wants whats good.
I am open in my speech. And I am not chasing you. lol.

And when Umar ibn Kattab said it about the daughter of the milk seller, his son Abdallah got up and marry her.



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yes nah.

maybe na even man dey post.


yes oh. She fits everybody.[/quote]Who do you fit? And nje iwo tie loko? Oje wa kon she.
Egbe kilo ko ose is not a good thing.


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na auction?[/quote]Thats not auction. And if it were, she is fit for the best.
have you seen actions at the best auction houses?

Expensive. Very expensive. And i am certain, for her islam, she is more than the most expensive thing. Priceless, she is.

What are you going for, Tpia. Not am interested in buying. lol. Aburo. ere ori igi ashe ku omo edun ni. Long time ago.



@KarmaMod: « #62 on: Today at 01:39:30 PM »

Apparently his Igbo and Egyptian princesses arent enough for him

still would like an answer to my question, people

Ara oko upstate, ki lon se iwo, ntie? Am entitled to four. Abi? Unlike your future husband, who may have you and then a ton of girlfriend outside. In Ado Ekiti, where they in turn sleeping with other boyfriends. Where is the end of the domino effect? Or the chain or the do loop link?

God help you if there is an outbreak of deseases! How do you get to the source? This is different in true Islam. Ora o.

Oshi ma fi orunkun mejeji kunle fun mi. And imu to ma yi simi leyin, oju mi lo ti ma yi. Lo sun o jare. If you did not see my answer, then I cant help you. Only muslim men can marry Chased Jewish and Christian women. Muslim men can not marry hindu and all the others.

And muslim women must marry muslim men and no others. Thats the command of Allah, the Wise. Ki lo tun nfe?

@ KunleOshob:

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@KunleOshob: « #51 on: Today at 02:50:46 PM »

@Olabowale
You obviously have no clue what the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ is all about, unfortuantely many christians don't as well so i won't blame you. There is no contradiction in my post just a lack of understanding on your part. For you to undestand my position i suggest you check out this thread were i thouroughly explained the emphasis of the gospel of christ. Then you would learn to appreciate the truth better.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-148850.0.html

Kunle, Kunle, Kunle. If what I read in your post as you suggest in the http://www., is what the Gospel of Jesus is, which as you have stressed, is simply love of God and then love of neighbor, then please know that it is very, very inferior to a small percentage of the "Sunnah of Muhammad (AS)." And the sunnah is action of explanation of the Qur'aan.

Now pay attention to the fact that what your "love" gospel is talking about, is absolutely impossible. Even Jesus could not even practiced what you said he preached. That is, if we consider that he actually commanded his followers to sell their clothing and purchase "swords," with the gain. Please where is the love of Neighbor in this, except that we are at least expecting some bloodshed?

I will also tell you that we will find a verse in the Bible that points to the Jihadist nature of Jesus, by his telling someone to bring his enemies in front of him and slay them.

@Kola Oloye: « #48 on: Today at 01:41:15 PM »  

@olabowale,
Has it ever occured to you that there has never been any reply from God concerning the last 2 verses of this chapter

Translations of the Qur'an, Chapter 1:
AL-FATIHA (THE OPENING)
Total Verses: 7
Revealed At: MAKKA
Maududi's introduction

001.001
PICKTHAL: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

001.002
PICKTHAL: Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,

001.003
PICKTHAL: The Beneficent, the Merciful.

001.004
PICKTHAL: Master of the Day of Judgment,

001.005
PICKTHAL: Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.

001.006
PICKTHAL: Show us the straight path,

001.007
PICKTHAL: The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.


Then tell me why the response whether positive or negative was never recorded in this holy book.
                 Or do you think that God is still waiting for the right time before He will show the way?

My dear brother am not yet convinced that Islam is a religion created by God. Anxiously waiting for your response. Thank you.

From your statement, it seems to me that you believe that all the above except the last two verses are already made clear to you. So you believe that there is God, who is Master, Owner, the Only one to worship, seek aids from, etc.

If you read the tafsir of who the last verse is talking about, you will see that those who hast favored are the true worshippers of the God; eg, Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaquub, Yusuf, Musa, , Zakariyah, Yahya, Isa bin Mariam. And those who earned thine Anger are the Jews because they had so much prophets/Messengers to lead them aright. Yet they deviated. And those who are astray are the christians, because they simply took a good foundation laid down by Jesus and bastardized it. They saw all the examples of what happened to the Jews, yet they are still blind and will not receive guidance, making this up according to their own desires. Following the Jewish pattern of self agrandizement in how they formulate religion and belief.

Now if you go to Surah Baqarah (2), immediately after the 6th and the 7th verses of the Surah Fatiha, which you want to know if there are answers to, above, you will see verses 2 through 5, giving the believer the inroad to the answer and guidelines of "straight part" in (verse 6 of Surah Fatiha), and those who are "favored" in the (verse 7 of Surah Fatiha).

And in verses 6 and 7 of Baqarah, Allah talks about the disbelivers, Jews who have earned Anger, the Christians who are astray, and even the Idol worshippers of the other worldly "isms" (Hinduism, Taoism, etc).

And in verses 8 through 10 of Surah Baqarah Allah describes the "hyporites" in the rank of the muslims. They claim to be believers. It only on the lips and for show. But they are truly disbelievers. Since what is in their hearts are lies, and deceit. Their situation is worse than outright disbelievers.

From verses 11 to 20, of surah Baqarah, Allah describes the disbelievers and also the hypocrites, as truly disbelieving peoples.

In verse21, of Surah baqarah, Allah begins to address mankind, in a general term; believers and believers alike in the way that will lead to belief, receiving favor, and getting far away from being a disbeliever.

Thanks for the opportunity for me to address this matter. I am not a scholar. At best a student learner of Islam. May allah guide us all.

@Aunty mary« #46 on: Today at 02:41:10 AM »  

how strange! i was speaking to a 'suitor' yesterday night and he has been bothering me for years to have a relationship with him. yesterday, he was telling me he wants to marry me, so i told him nigerian men find my views on life and religion in particular, a bit 'unconventional' and i don't think he would understand or respect them either, he was adamant, then i gave him my opinion about religion, the long and short of which is simply - i do not identify with any religion although i was born a christian for the simple fact that religion was not created by man, he was shocked and begged me to reconsider and went on to tell me about how jesus is lord and God and how he would like for his wife to fear God/Jesus,

so i asked him 2 questions; which i pose here as well:

1. why fear God if the creator is not a monster? why not love God? afterall love and fear are two distinct emotions and should not be confused and of the two, love is the greater,

You can fear a lover, too, by not doing what will make him/her unhappy, sad, disappointed, etc. Parents are feared by their offsprings when they do things that make the parents happy about them. People will do whatever pleasure them, if there are no rules, or fear of disappointing some entity; self, family member, community, family heritage, society, authority, or Altimate Authority, who is GOD Lord who created. Of course thats not Jesus.

2. if indeed jesus is God (which i do not believe and is the primary reason i left the church), then does that not mean christians are on the wrong path as  jesus was born and died a jew? would that not mean that if indeed God had a religion, it would be judaism?

The True God has to be One Single Lord. God have to always be in existence. So He could never have been born, making what gave birth to it preceeding it. The birth giver whould definitely be Older and wiser, at some point. Also He could never have died, making what existed after its death outlasted or out lived it. At least when the body was dead and lifeless, he would have missed what happened in this period of time and would not have been in control of anything. Whatever existed in this period will have the "knowledge" that he did not have because of the death experience. At least not the knowledge about this world. Both contidions of being born and dying nullifies Jesus as a possible god, except a false god title being hauled at him, by those who believed it, because of few miracles.

Fortunately, Judaism, was not even a named religion, during the time of Moses. Whoever thinks it was, should provide Proof. So Judaism was not the religion, also, pre-Moses. This, no one in his/her right mind will attemp to prove. Judaism as a religion or tribal name was carved out of the name Judea or Judah. If Judea, we see that it is even after the reign of Prophet and wise King Solomon (AS). If from Judah, we see tat it is from the nation of one of the children of Jacob.

So therefore, Judaism is also a man made religion, just like Christianity is.

and before anyone comes and starts regurgitating answers given to them by their pastors, please try to think for yourself. jesus  did not 'come' to start a new religion, his followers did

Thank you. We have been saying this same thing over and over to the Christians. But they tend to actually grasp it.

in anycase and in answer to the topic, no, God did not create religion, religion like culture, the legal system etc was created by man to control other men by fear of punishment in the afterlife  and deluding them with promises of bliss on the otherside if they conform, the by-product of this control is further segregation (in addition to the natural differences/barriers of race and sex) based on religion,

religion is EVIL and should be stamped out!

Since you are from a Christian back ground, I see that you spoke from Biblical experiences, alone. Now I advice you to pick up the Qur'aan to have a full knowledge about God and His ordained religion on mankind. Then you will be able to truly speak about religion. While I agree with you that Judaism, Christianity as well all the other "isms" in world religions are all man made, Islam is not. You sound non-nigerian because you have qualified yourself with the "nigerian potential suitor." So use the global experience and opportunity at your disposal to get a Qur'aan, a life History book of the last prophet to mankind Muhammad (AS). Read with open mind. And please forget the Muslims and their deviant acts away from Islam when you are doing your reading. Then read ahadith/sunnah. This is when you can talk about religion.

There is Islam and then the rest of the man made systems, being hauled at us as religions.



@KunleOshob (m):« #47 on: Today at 11:01:09 AM »  

@Aunty mary
I tend to agree with you that religion was created by men and also that the church as seriously led chrisitans astray and the true gospel of christ is not what is being preached. However the true gospel of christ is an eternal truth and he came to reconcile us with God.

Kunle, how is it possible for you to point out to anyone, what the true gospel of Jesus is, if what is available today, as you have agreed with the lady, that Christianity is created by men, and the church has led you astray and not preaching the true gospel? Where is the true gospel, except the not true gospel that is available to you and all christians? I wanna know if you have the truth and you have been keeping it away from your Christian brethren all along? If you can get me the true gospel, I have gift for you.

Yes i agree with you Jesus is not God (he never claimed to be) he is the son of God.

How is he son of God? Is there a need for God to have a son? What will be the porpose of that son? I know many christians are going to cry foul at me. But I can't help it but to just put it out here: Where is the spouse of God who produces His son? Name and full details, please. Thank you.

However a lot of confused preachers say he is God. This i believe is wrong. I beseech you to reconcile your faith in christ, not based on what the church says  but based on what the New testament says. I suggest you read the four gospels of christ to know his true teachings and reflect on it.

"Kunle!". Didn't you just say that the church do not preach the "true" gospel of Jesus? Are not the 4 gospels in the Bible what the church preaches? Which part is the true gospel that the church is ignoring, while they preached what you call leading astray? Please bring out verses. And the verse(s) of how you come up with son of God!

There after read the epistles for further insight. The true Gospel of christ is simply amazing and it cannot be faulted however the church leadership (organized religion) as suppressed these truths propagating what they like and not what christ taught. You can still be a christian my dear without affliating yourself to any church.

Epistles are letters. And they are written by Jesus? Of course not. If a lie occurs in any, yet the Bible puts it in there, then we have to discard the whole Book, or at least the section and the author(s) for sure. And where is the true Godpel of Jesus that you are claiming to be amazing? From the Bible? You can do better than that. With your own mouth you said something contains falsehood and what leads astray by the preachers. Yet you call it amazing. Isn't deceitfulness amazing. Its magic. Yet it is false. How are you encouraging somebody to be a christian when you said religion (christianity is a religion) is man made? You are talking from both sides of the mouth. Where is the truth, KunleOshob?

what about you who may not respect men? Afterall, as a dominatrix, you whip, you kick, etc. Lol. Aburo, do you keep anybody you love? Am grateful that you dont love me that much to kick the daylight out of me. I pity your partner. And your clients, who are now bruised up?

You are a christian woman bigot who has no respect for men.

funmilola, or funmilayo.

And Bastage was at the core of it.

Bastage must be blind as a bat. Or his mind is dulled up, if he can see that verse 256 of Surah Baqarah is from the Qur'aan in support of my position.

Do you have anything from the Qur'aan to support your position? Well, of course, you are not amuslim. You will not know a thing about Qur'aan. Or would you?

Bastage, you are wasting my time. Some people do want attention. When I don't give it, it becomes personal with them.

Muslim men can marry Chasted Jew and christian women.

Let me ask the ekiti girl in all her agidi how she conclude that I like other people's blood. KarmaMod: What made you think I love blood, when Islam forbids the eating of it? If you can't explain articulate yourself in your explanation, then you will have to give me the two knees, instead of the One that you said and then your yinmu simi, you have to do it in front of me, and not behind me. Ora, Oya oo. And she had left months ago.

By the way Suratul Lumazah, in the Qur'aan is against those "insincere gestures," like yimu and making faces.

@Kweenisha: You just can't resist Daddy o. « #42 on: Today at 06:52:19 PM »  

I hate calling you a liar but it's getting increasingly difficult to find another name for someone who constantly tells lies.
Is there anywhere in the Bible where sex outside of marriage is condoned?

My darling. Should we talk about many sex outside marriage in the Bible as a whole or you want to "restrict yourself to the period of the ministry of Jesus, and nothing more?" If we go to OT, you guys accused every prophet (AS) with illegal sex. Noah and Lot sleeping with daughters who got the father drunk. And even a son who slept with the father? And Abraham you guys claim that he slept with a maid with the consent of his wife, Sarah. Tell me where is "inside of marriage" in any of them? Or should I talk about the brother who is spilling his seed so that the widow of his brother will not get prgnant? Or the passing around of even this very widow, from one brother to another?

Or is it the sleeping with roadside harlot of either Isaac, or Jacob, where this public toilet woman turnout to be his "daughter inlaw?" Sisi mi. I will floor you anytime.

Mohammed is the one who allowed his warriors to capture women and young girls as booties,sleep with them, he did so too, he advised his soldiers on coitus interruptus and a large population of Muslims today practice temporary marriages where they basically "rent a woman" for a specified time for sexual pleasure and their sharia allows it .

While you lie, make your lie a little bit smaller. First tell me which woman Muhammad (AS) slept with that was not his wife? The Jewess of Madina was married to him, before he slept with her. After his life, no woman said anything bad about him. Yet they had the chance. Afterall, he was not alive to "silence them". So your excuse, I will expose before you get to it. Aisha said that he never touched a woman that he was not married to. Now argue against that!

And just like things that were phased out, in Islam, the same applied to sex with anyone who one is not married to. And just because some people in islam consume alcohol, does not mean it is permissible. same is "Muta", woman.

I have proof of my claims from Mohammed's own words and those of his companions.
Proove your claim that a true Christian can fornicate freely  and that fornication is allowed and  all he needs to do is say the blood of Jesus.

Show me in the Bible where Jesus said that a person who commits illegal sexual act will go to hell? Show me where Jesus prescribed punishment for such a person. Show me where Jesus gave a way to seek forgiveness of such a crime?

Was it not Jesus, who single handedly changed the way the Jews do things, according to the laws given to Moses, in Torah? Please note that all the sexual illegalities that I listed above were all before Moses. Then during Moses and before Jesus's "woman you are forgiven, sin no more, to th accused adulteress," they use to stone people to death, either married or unmarried. Show where there was a law from Jesus against illegal sex? For your infomation this is the very reason that John the son of Zachariah lost his life. He did not support illegal sex!

Now let the word of God be your sole Judge.

You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

—Matthew 5:27-30

Kweenisha, the liar woman.  Is any of this ever carried out by any of you guys? If not, then, you have all disobeyed the speaker. Who was the speaker, again? It was Jesus. Your god. Then you have all rendered your god's word useless, since you never will obey it.

Hey, babe. Have you ever followed this injuction, above? If no, then notice that you were never a christian. Has anyone noticed how hard the laws are? There is no shred of mercy, in anyone of them. In Islam, you need witnesses. Those who saw the actual act. Yet the guilty can still escape if he/she swear and call the curse of Allah on himself/herself on the fourth occasion. And let Matthew speak, instead of Jesus! lol.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

—Romans 1:26-27

Roman was letter or memo from whom, again? Obviously not Jesus. So this is all gaubbly gook. Throw it out. lol. I need a laugh.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

—1 Corinthians 6:9-20

Memo to corinthians. After Jesus. Not applicable, unless you can tell me that Jesus is not the final messenger in your religion. lol.

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

—Galatians 5:16-21  

They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ!— assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

—Ephesians 4:19-24  

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

—Ephesians 5:3-5  

For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.

—1 Thessalonians 4:3-8  

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

—Hebrews 13:4  

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

—Revelation 21:8

Same story as above.

I know your next Q will be why Christians who cheat haven't cut off their "yekini"

Arent you fortunate that Muhammad (as) does not permit women being snatched off the street like coat of the rack? By now, it would have been Muta time. That is th Mercy of muhammad (AS) covering you, as recorded in Surah Taubah; second to the last verse.You lose, in every opinion you put forward.

And any who defers from Muhammad in the way of Islam, should a Muslim follow him? I do not have another true and pure Prophet after Muhammad (AS).

Hence your philosophy example is meaningless. Allah say Hope in Him. He also says Fear Him. He also mention doing things for His sake. I take all of them, when appropriate.

@Sisi Jinx: Muhammad (AS) was asked by the Idol worshippers to compromise with them. For that request, Allah reveal "Surah Kafiruun." When at another time his people asked him to concede only a little. He said to them that if the the Sun was placed on one hand and the "moon; I forgot if this was the celestial body, on the other, he will continue to preach, until his Lord decides.

Now, you have not heard me say that all muslims are good. And have you heard me say all non-muslims are bad. Some of the people I speak with regularly are non-muslims; Christians and Jews, for the most part. I even have Hindus, and others. Now the thing you are forgetting here is that in Edo state, for example, the "Overseas" prostitutes among them (Please am not saying that no Ijebu Ode woman is a prostitute in Ilu Oyinbo o), you probably find a muslim amongst them, but just a very small percentage, while the rest will at least claim Christianity, with a cross on their chest, while on the job.

The point is that a true muslim who does this illegal sex, is sure about his "evil deed" and while a Christian only says that "he/she is protected by his human god." I hear about being deeped in blood of Jesus, all the time.

We should not be unmindful of our complete responsibility to God. We have no one to protect us from His punishment, if He wills to punish us. Jesus can help you. And I have never asked for Muhammad to help me against Allah.

@Bastage: I dont think that you can cull out a verse from the holy Qur'aan, where people are supposed to be killed for just leaving Islam. If you can I will have a new found respect for you, even if I have thought that you amount to zero in the first place.

Now the reason that anyone is killed, if the muslims will follow the Qur'aan and Ahadith, that explain it, without their personal idea, is the deceitful person who went into Islam and then decitfully left it and begins spreading lies about it, so that people will leave it and or not enter it!

I direct you to the Qur'aan and you will find verses where Allah talks about those persons who are muslims, then the leave it, and then the enter it again, and then they leave it, once more, etc. If everyone is killed the very first time they leave Islam, why the allowance for returning, and then leaving it and then later returning, etc?

Finally, Verse 256 of Surah Baqarah is a good argument for freedom of religion, under the freewill that Allah gives to mankind. Those who choose not to accept Islam should not be forced, to enter it. There used to be a time the disbelievers were made to pay "Levy; Jizya". Just like when it was permissable to "consume alcohol, or the law of illegal sex was not instituted yet." That was a moment in time. But that does not mean that it can not happen in "special circumstances." Just like the special circumstances that will make it permissable for a person to eat pork, drink alcohol, etc.

@Kola Oloye: « #36 on: Yesterday at 03:20:46 PM »

Why do you think that a religion that does not mandatory forgiveness is truly from God? God himself is a merciful God.
He believes in forgiveness,why then should someone bent on revenge?

Islam mandates forgiveness. Where did you get your "idea" that islam does not? Surah Tauba, the second to the last verse says about Muhammad as a means of forgiveness and mercy to believers.

Allah's names Al Afuww (The one who loves to forgive) and Al Ghaffar (The Forgiver) could not be undervalued. Or when Allah says that He is the One who forgives all sins, would you then take it that there is any one more or equally forgiven than Him? Even your Jesus cried up to Th God (Allah the Almighty) in the time of his needs!


@emotional (m): « #38 on: Today at 01:59:50 PM »

@olabowale. Thanks. KOLA OLOYE has just asked my 1st intend question.2 if sharia(laws) is of ALLAH given tru His prophet why not let him(HIM ALONE ALLAH) pass his judgement rather than men?sharia court and its judges are human so where does Allah play His role as d maker of d laws?based on ur explanation sharia in islam, looks like a nation and its laws which is human, nothing seems GODLY to me.

When Allah says to Musa (AS) to throw the rod in his hand and it will become a snake that will swallow the magician's snakes, a true believer would not say, it was a trick of the magician, but a miracle to debase the magicians and shame Pharaoh. Please note that Allah had made Musa throw the same stick and have the same result of being a snake in the in Mount Tur. Then in the court of Pharaoh, without the magicians. In both cases, Musa was afraid the first time. And Fir'awn was afraid the second time, while Musa had gained confidence, knowing fully well that Allah was behind him.

Now that Allah performed the miracle to defeat magic, the magician and Pharaoh, a believer will not doubt Musa's mission. But a disbeliever will have a heart of stone and will come to incorrect conclusions; all of them lies. This is what I see among you fellas, against Islam.

If Allah has not permitted Sharia, as a guide, some people would have taken advantage of others. There would never have been a scale of balance, where there is "guidelines' to live this life, among individuals, peoples, communities, tribes and races and nations. Allah says that He checks one people by another. Otherwise, evildoers would have reigned on earth.

Let just imagine if there is no laws in any society. What would be the reason for the inhabitants to be good people? What would prevent one person taking advantage of others? Sharia is the mode and code of ethics that will prevent that in a just society. Am sure that many will use as example the Nigerian or even Arab leadership who are evil doers. But that will not be the correct approach, because in the final analysis, these people are not the people that the Prophet (AS) asked Muslims to look up to. They are not the scholars of Islam and they are not from the three generations. Yet the best of muslims should look at Muhammad for their " examples!"

@olabowale-3 PEACE: submission to Allah's will,one can take a life of a man not his family as vengeance,please bros.drop quran just 4 once, ask yourself if really PEACE do exist in ur claim."ANYONE SHOULD COME-UP WITH HOLYBOOK"to prove its religion was created by God,obviously all were written by man and none (holybook)of any religion contradits its creation by god/supernatural being,so ?

Sure peace exist in my claim. I am a better person, today because of Islam. I have proven, Alhamdulillah from the pages of the Qur'aan that Islam is the way ordained as a religion on mankind by the Creator. It is up to you to accept. And your rejection still does not change a thing. No reduction in the power of Allah by your rejection. And your acceptance of Islam will not all of a sudden elevate the Owner of the Throne Supreme.

Anyone who knows anything about Muhammad (AS), would know that he did not write the Qur'aan. If a person makes tha claim, it will mean the same if he has said the the tape recorder that a lawyer left his dictate for his secretary to type a legal brief, actually wrote the brief. Muhammad (AS) was just a conduit, and so was Jibril (a spirit, an angel, the go between for the most part between Allah and His Human messenger). I remember when we were in High School. The old women will ask a potential scholar to write a letter to her son, overseas or in a far away place.

Was the scribe the writer, really, or the woman who was the owner of the idea? For example, if she was angry with the son, would the young "letter writer" be blamed by the Big man overseas? Of course not. The little man, is just following the dictates of the Old woman, the mother who tyruly has human authority over her son.

Pay attention, people.

@Hotredchic: If the offender is a Muslim from Orile Kingdom. What will you do? Or if the offender is a Northern Christian? Aburo tellme; are there muslimsin orilekingdom or christians from the North?

About Bastage's "His Islam".

@Bastage: « #141 on: Today at 02:36:33 PM »

It is nothing to do with pride. In fact it is utterly the opposite. It's because Allah IS.
You're so shallow, you don't seem to understand that.

Allah commanded Muhammad (AS). Muhammad obeyed, right way. Allah says to him, that if he had not done what He commanded him, Muhammad would have been siezed by the jugular. His punishment would have been the "doubled."
Allah also said that if Muhammad had not done as he had been commanded, he would not have "delivered" the message that he was sent to deliver, exactly. In another part of Qur'aan, it was stated that Muhammad had delivered his sent message as a faithful messenger.

In the farewell address, Muhammad (AS) asked the people if he had not delivered the messeage to them, complete? They answered in one voice; "yes, you delivered it!" Umar bin Kattab (RA) kissed the black stone of the Kaaba. he remarked, oh stone, you have no power/value over me, except that I kiss you, because I saw the prophet kissed you.

Bastage: if you are a Muslim, do you know Allah better than Umar bin Kattab? Do you know know Allah more than Muhhammad (AS)? Neither one of them did not but expect full reward from Allah. Allah says in Surah Isra about Nuh (AS), that he was a grateful slave. Muhammad was told by Aisha that he was worshipping Allah too much at Night. He responded to Aisha "Shouldn't I be grateful to My Lord" for forgiving me all my sins. Even though Muhammad (aS) was not a sinner. Yet, he was not puffed up in pride.

I see you have a load of it, bastage. Pele pele o.



[Quote]
Like I said, you're worshipping because you want something. You're worshipping because you're paid to worship. You're not worshipping for Allah's sake but for your own.
Sit down and think about why you worship Allah. If your answer contains the words "So I'm rewarded" you're not worshipping him at all.
It's no different from the master who thinks that his dog "loves" him because he feeds him a bone. Does the dog understand the concept of love? Or does he only lick his master's hand and give the impression of love in the hope of getting a full belly?[/quote]This dude is Dr. Doolittle. No. He is better than Dr. Doolittle. While the Dr. only talked, Bastage is able to read the emotion of the animals, by his statement above. I am at least grateful, that Allah made me a Muslim. And did not make me an Idol worshipper from Ijebu Ode, or spliced with the idol worshipping of Owo people.

If you do not worship Allah partly because you fear His punishment, in addition to loving Him, then you are a liar of the highest order. There is no place that Allah states that He should be worshipped purely out of freewill, and no reward or avoidance of punishment.

Allah says "Fear me." In another, "If you Love Me, follow Muhammad" Can you point to a verse in the Qur'aan where it is stated that worship Allah only out of your freewill, without expecting any reward? This man needs to educate me about Islam.

@Bastage: Am shocked that you indicate yourself as a "muslim." Or maybe I am assuming wrongly, here. Muslim does not wish another muslim ill. Especially when there is no rancor between them. To think that garment of death is the only fashion that fits me, is an evil thing to say from one muslim to another.

No one wishes death on himself. It is haram to wish death on oneself. It is even also haram to wish it on anybody.
Proofs: Pharaoh, even in his evil deeds, MUsa (AS), did not wish death on him. Muhammad (AS) did not wish death on anyone, except where he was commanded. Same was the case with Musa.

Allah says in the Qur'aan that they wish death on themselves, but when death approaches, they wish they could take flight (escape it). Allah also says that if they were sure, why don't they wish death on themselves. Muhammad (AS), in awe of souls being lost, he stood up while the funeral proceeding of a Jew was passing in Madina.

There are things you should say to people in anger. Wishing them death should not be one of them. If they have no evil intention towards you, then your statement that is made in anger will rise to heaven and be returned to the speaker. I want the best for you. So be mindful of your speech.

Now, I am a person who enjoys life. Have you have heard of "red camel" before in Islam? It was the best of transportation. Just like what Lamborghini, Ferrari, MCLauren, Bugatti, etc are today. These are my things for enjoyment.

I do not practice a boring Islam, while I try to involve myself in what is good.

@reindeer: Thanks for your suggestion. I do not hold personal animosity toward bastage. I guess he thinks I will die before him. If that is the case, it is the decree of the Most Powerful. Allah says in the Qur'aan that nothing happens except by His permission, alone. And everyone of us will taste death.

In the maintime, it is not what I think about every minute, while I am not unmindful of it, though. I have a full life in the maintime. I still want to make many babies. I want to see even the great grandsons and daughters of my sons.

Then I have a full life now. I do good work and wants the best reward for me in this world, while the best rewards are kept for me, starting right from the time I die. Give me another 70 years, in good wholesome health and 1000% sound mind and body!

I am working and having fun. Part of my fun, when I have the time is Dawah on Nairaland. My Islam is not boring. And its all freewill. It is in the same dimension of freewill exercised by a person who ran out of a burning house, when it is clear to him and everyone that if he remains he will be burnt to crisp. It is the same manner of freewill exercised by the guy who when a lifeline is thrown to him in a raging flood, that he catches it and get saved. I exercise my freewill not to stand in the middle of the highway, during heavy traffic, and expect to come back unbruised. I am no fool. I don't know about others. I know my limitations. I try to stay within it.

Will I not seek the mercy of Allah, and hope in His reward? THose who do not are arrogant. If they are punished for their arrogance, it will not be unjust. It is because of their pride. Only Allah has and entitled to PRIDE! Even He, in ahadith Kursi states that He is "Ashamed" to punish His Slaves who in their "Old age" still prostrate their faces in worship to Him.

@JJYOU: « #35 on: Today at 03:00:29 AM »
[Quote] from: whatever90 on Today at 02:54:35 AM
continue with the christian guy,its obvious that's d one that has d fear of God in him

its not a most u marry a muslim[/quote]Its a must that she is to be a wife to a muslim husband. Do you have adulterer marry a wholesome woman, but an adulteress? Do you have a believing woman (Mariaba is) marry a disbelieving man (the christians are)? Do you leave a good food and consume rotten, smelly and maggot invested meal? In Islam, what is wholesome is preferred.

How does a man (Christian) who makes the Almighty God part Human and at a time helpless and took mother's milk for sustenance, then a ghost and then a father have true fear of One Supreme God (Allah) in him? I remeber one of your gods was claimed to have expired on the cross. You knowwhat I mean, woman. Another one slept with a virgin girl so that the human god can be conceived. He had to overshadow her!

A true God would just simple command the event to happen, and the process will begin. In Islam, we say in command of Allah is "kun, fa ye kun (Be. so it becomes in process/became)" Its funny that the christians have not been able to connect in this matter, especially when they say that the old man Joseph after all of this slept with the mother of their human God and make her pregnant, twice. Yet they still say she is a virgin?

A virgin, is a person who had not had human sex! She does not have to have the hymen intact, but definitely, no man had slept with her! If the christians missed the mark by that wide margin, what else can we guarantee from them, except what the Qur'aan itself guarantee of their book.

can someone tell me is this woman expecting to be the only babe in town when she knows fully well the guy is entitled to 4? and some 70 more if he makes parahell for murder

Surprise, surprise. Not all muslimmen marry more than one wife. Duuh. It is commanded that every woman and man after attaining the age of marriage (everyone knows that age or stage for herslef or himself), they should marry, so as to avoid any and all "evil" that not being married will bring. This potential evil is demostrated by the thread. Afterall, the sister is trying to avoid any of the evil that may come out of not being married.

And JJYOU, she is different from you, who may reach 30+ and still may want to play the field. I hope you are not like that. I have a lawyer in Las Vegas who is 40, and marriage is still a strange word to him. "Lar; I hope you marry someday, buddy boy. And make grand babies for your parents; the Weinsteens. Again, JJYOU, I am sure you don't mind having 20 girlfriends, if you can help it. But a single wife gives you a heartache, because you are afraid of commitment. Ojoro boy. 9ja wayo. He can milk the cow. But he does not want to tend to it. Even putting it to pasture is a big deal to you.

@Sisi Jinx: Your above repose proves one thing to me: While Islam shows mercy, it expresses earthly punishment (flogging, stoning), as a means of deterrant, after due process, so that the type of "evil" act is not a thing accepted, in the community. When something is cheapened to ordinariness, it becomes accepted and almost a second nature.

For example, in New York City, during summertime, it is not uncommon, in the evening to see a nude woman from the waist up. We saw little kim having one of her breast hang out, it nothing but just a patch to cover up the areola. Diana Ross who was on stage with her could not resist the jiggling, either. I don't have to tell you the Superbowl halftime show norther exposure of Janet jackson.

Allah in His infinite wisdom destroyed "the people of prophet Lut" for their homosexual behavior. The punishment is to express the unacceptability of it. Homosexual is considered a sin, yet even now in Nigeria, I hear that they have a group of people who practice this. Earlier this year, an american that I do business with died. A Nigerian fried who knew him said that he used to go to "abuja" to get his homosexual fix. This was shocking to me. If we as human don't know the boundary of what is good, we will definitely thread into the area of filth, sinfulness and consider it acceptable.

O the other hand, from your post above, I see that the Bible though warns about the evil of sexual illegality, but because it confines it to "sin against oneself," which does not say that "it merits punishment, as you see it in the Qur'aan and what the jews used to practice, before Jesus' "sin no more statement,"" we see that people do consider this sexual sin as " to each its own, or what ever flow your roll."

First, whatever God commanded against is undoubtedly a sin! Regardless how you look at it. It will at least come to "disobeying God." If Allah commands a thing, there is reason for such command. The sister who is still a virgin, could not for example be pregnant, even if her period is delayed. Unlike a woman who is sexually active, she does not also have to fear that she may have any sexually transmitted disease. If only or these two reasons, she is head and shoulders better that "the community property!"


Take for example, if your parents never punished you, even as you disobeyed their many serious instructions to you, would you not be the one who decided if to obey them or not when they give you another instructions, in the future? Then consider this, that you friend's parents are not toothless barking dog, about their Instructions to their daughter. Which of you two women will have a "staright and narrow" life path, based on the instructions of the parents? Your friend, without any doubt.

Apply the same to Qur'aan. If it was not for the fear of Allah, many will be "out of this world in wild behavior." (I am having fun now: I would have been all over Tpia in New Zealand. lol). The Bible does not carry such a weight. There is no restrictions in the ways Christian act, except that they must "belief in the death and ressurrection, "

Even I see many Christians belives, from the Bible that anything goes in the "bedroom." Islam has restrictions and restraints. Of course, many a muslim may not follow them. But that is not the issue here. We are talking about the two books; Qur'aan and Bible as it relates to sexual morality!

All the young Muslim men, are you believers all married?

Enough of the "advise." I need a brave man. Just one man ready to marry.
The sister may be the best thing that ever happens to any of you men.

If I were in Nigeria, I will marry her myself, if none of you young men is up to the task.

Rememmber that Umar Kattab said this same thing to his sons, about the milk seller's daughter.
The young daughter was God conscious and she was the mother of the proverbial "5th Kalifah,"
Umar bin Abdullah.

The greatest thing anybody among muslim men in Nigeria could have done is to marry this beautiful gem of a woman.
Afterall, she is not a woman of Zina. And she fits "Aisha" because she is young and still a virgin. She is a virtuous woman. She fits Khadijah because she made her "marital" intention known.

Now boys, please I need a single man among you. Can anyone with great taqwa step up, please? She is not saying that she wants a "billion USD" as dowry. She has not made any worldly demand, so no one can say she is out of reach, too demanding. And the carrot for all of you here is that she is a potential success. Is there a better quality that you want in women, that what she has and working on, already.

No one has to teach her Islam. A good muslim man will have a "partner in Jannah," starting from this earth. She will not lead you to any evil, because she fears to commit any herself. Both of you will improve each other and grow, together for the pleasure of Allah.

And Bastage has declared that he will never die. No one can guarantee that you will outlive me. Yes am older, but it is not a guaranty that I will die before you. But while I am preparing for mine time, I am not in a hurry to meet Allah, because there are still a load of good deeds ahead of me.

My mother is 80+, still strong in body, voice and Alhamdulillah, in Spiritual underpinning. Her father died amost at the age of 100 or even older. I am embanking on good deeds, so I ask Allah to allow me to live very long to the ripe age of 120/130 years, in strength. So if you look at me, at this age, I am still a boy. I still have many children to raise. Whats important to me, which separates us from each other, is religion. I am a muslim. I accept my position as a slave and a creation of Allah.

You on the other hand, arrogantly think that you are son of a god. And foolishly make your Creator a human being. Now you have been warned by all of us, Allah's slaves, males and females. You have no excuse against any of us when you have to come for Judgement. I accept my faith, and fate while I seek the mercy of Allah for my short comings. What are you doing about your own situation? Who are you going to run to for help, when there is no helper, but Allah on that day?

@emotional: « #30 on: November 26, 2008, 12:21 PM »

@olabowale- meaning islam is d only religion endorsed by God? please,with due respect is sharia man-made law or Allah's? in islam,who are sinners and how are they judge? what is 'peace' in islam? thanks in adv.

Islam is the only religion endorsed by God. I have given you the verses in Qur'aan to support my statement. I want anyone else to show from their "Holy Book" the same argument for their religion. I also believe that that the atheist/agnostic can do the same to argue against God and or Religion, if they have an ancient or even arecent source to make such audacious claim(s).

And Sharia laws are from the pages of the Qur'aan alone, which are explained by the Prophet (AS). Alla is the Revealer of Qur'aan, hence Sharia is from Him, alone. Sinners are those who go against Qur'aan, the commnadments of Allah, the Sunnah/Hadith the words and actions of the Prophet (AS). The Altimate Judge is Allah, the Sole Owner of the Day of Judgement. Thats the day that what people should know as Judgement truly has the greatest Meaning. A sinner who is not forgiven will be thrown into the fire of hell, where he will be punished for the misdeeds. The greatest of the list of misdeeds is not being a true practisioner of Islam in its purity. You should practice this religion, to the fullest according to your capability.

This does not mean that you should be ascetic. Islam forbids it. Peace in Islam is total submission to Allah's Will, which are His commandments, in the explanations of His Prophets (AS). It is the Prophet (AS), who knew best the instructions of Our Creator. And it is this Prophet whose explanations should be the guidelines for the practice of this noble religion.

Hence, peace in Islam is harmonization with all creations, for the pleasure of Allah. If a person is truly a muslim, when he revenges, and if he was bent on it, he will not revenge or avenge beyond how much he was wrong. So a muslim should not kill a whole family, because a person in that family killed his relative. he should allow a free and fair trial in Sharia of the accused. If found guilty, can ask for his life be taken, or show mercy by accepting "blood money" a fine imposed on the guilty for taking a life, or best to forgive abd take nothing as fees or fine, but walk away with the hope that Allah will give the reward as He is the One able to do is the greatest of measures.

Sisi Jinx: « #27 on: Today at 01:43:42 AM »

Last I checked, both Islam and Christianity preached abstinence until marriage. So I fail to see how your statement . . . The sexual morality of christianity is not what a muslim should emulate” makes any sense and I honestly don’t want to believe you are using a topic as important as this to take cheap shots at Christianity.

The last I check the Christian "Good News," the NT claimed whosoever is guiltless should cast the first stone. Show me if that does not oblitrate the punishment for "illegal sexual act?" Compare that to the Qur'aanic commandment of not even coming close to "illegal sex." Now tell me what punishment is meterred to a willing participant of such act, from the christian book or practices? We already know what Islam does. Aburo ibi nu e o ni idi!

Ogbon and Oye la fin da agba mo, not age (I’m sorry I don’t remember what age is called in Yoruba)

Ogbon ati oye ojo ori mi ni mo fi nba e soro. O wun no ni mo fi nron e leti pe ki o lo wo Bibeli e. Leyin no ko wu Alukurani mi. Wa ri iyato awon mejeji lori iwa buruku ti a nso nipa e.

@Tpia: I need to chase you all over nairaland. I think you truly want to be chased by me! How many nairaland woman has confided in you that I chased them?

If I had known that you had felt neglected, i could have done that "chasing" a long time. Never mind. Its not too late for you to be chased. I enjoy beauty; within and without.

Aburo. You think I am into mind games? If you want to be chased, you will invite me to New Zealand. But first you will become a Muslim. Leave Christianity alone. That will be an incentive, you wanting me to chase you that it. Then you will tell me that you are a pretty woman, who wants to marry "baba agba!" If you want then we make appointments; to know if you have really "become a muslim."

After all of these, I will be ready to chase you. Lol. Obinrin. I know everybody wants whats good. I dont blame you, sisi. There is an Ibadan saying about women wanting a good man. Oseun.

Kweenisha: see your Kristian sister throwing herself at Muslim older man. Thats the ticket. She knows whats good when she sees it. She knows that I will retire her quick, from the rat race, etc.

Sisi Jinx: We already know that you have Muslim women/men who are like freaks. Thats the reason we may have some who are flogged for illicit sex. Or some stoned to death.

Yet we also have some virgin, male and female Christians, who are not lude. My response stands. Why because when a non Muslim says that Muslim woman should seek sexual morality from a Christian, then I need to say a thing or two I know about women. I observed. And I was a 20semething before.

Sisi, kini mo so to lodi si?

Is Pilgrim a Believer, or a disbeliever? Shhhhh. Before you respond, a Muslim is a believer while the others are disbelievers. So how could we delegate a disbelievers to be in charge of the affairs of a believer? Wouldnt she make her boy crazy as she was, even when she said she was a muslim?

Do we send a chick to go "listen" to the experience of a Kite, and expects it to return unscath? If at at all it returned?

Let us the "muslims" protect our own. The sexual morality of christianity is not what a muslim should emulate. Thank you.

Bi mo she dagba to yi, mio le ba RedHotChic lol, ta ge.

@Frizy: if she is ready, please don't waste time. She can be in school and be married. You will help her islam. Your wife will begin to learn the manners of islam. Wearing Hijab, etc.

mariaba should know that you have not asked for her picture or anything before you are proposing. This is Islam. may Allah increase your Iman, Frizy. And if Mariaba is your wife, may Allah make her a saliha for you. Amin.

@Mariaba: Frizy is not kidding. Thats a muslim love for you. I can vauch for him. He is like a son to me. A good muslim brother he is.

Mariaba, if you are looking for a good husband, and not a way to get disvirgined, my guy Frizy is for you. InshaAllah, when you are ready for the marriage, if Allah provide the means for me, I will foot the dowry and the wedding bill, for the pleasure of the Most Merciful.

@Dayokanu: « #9 on: November 28, 2008, 07:38 AM »

My religion does not permit nudity but does not allow me to kill anyone who wants it.

So all those cleavage exposing, bum bum short, butt crack exposing, high thighexposing clothing from Christian women, and the so tight pants detailing the family Jewels from both men and women are not nudity? Am sure you remember the Yoruba proverb about " Firi firi; a form of nudity." How do you dress up, if you think there is no Nudity in Christianity? Tell me if Christianity, the Bible does not actually encourages the uncovering of women's hair? I hope you remember that every goes in as long as you believe in "the death and ressurrection, etc!" Even you can eat anything; including mice, dress up well. lol. You remember the "poke in a blanket; thats some food for you, buddy."

Example when they brought the prostitute to Jesus and they wanted to stone her He told them "Let who without a sin cast the first stone" after they all left in shame, He told the woman to go and sin no more!!!

We are talking about Christianity. Is Jesus a Christian? Answer: No. If you can prove me wrong I will give you a huge reward. If you cant, then you need to start wearing jalabiya; thats my only demand on you.

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Dayo, if I show you from your Bible that Jesus is a first class Jihadist, what will you do? I want you to promise that you will come to Islam, if from your Bible, I show you where Jesus demanded the death of his enemies in front of him. What about the purchases of swords?

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

As long as they are against you. If they are making your life miserable, you have the right to make theirs just as miserable. You live in USA. have you forgotten the "preemptive strike position of the leadership of the free world?" Why would you expect anything less from Islam, especially when what America has going for her is "freedom and not morality?" Who commanded America on this, except themselves? Allah is the Commander of what you find in the Qur'aan.

The same Allah who commanded Moses to war on all the enemies of the Children of israel on the way to settle in Palestine. Or you don't believe that Pharaoh was perished by Allah (The God of Moses)? Or you don't believe that Moses destroyed many a nations on the way to Palestine, after they left Egypt?

Is it any surprise that Jesus was sent to change the tempo of the "always blood thirsty people?" At the same time, it is unnatural for humans to practice "I will turn my other cheek" in all cases. That why Muhammad was allowed to fight appropriately, without going beyond the boundary. He was aso allowed to forgive just as well. Human beings have many temperaments and Islam expresses them very clearly.

I remember I simply misspoke by writing your name incorrectly, and what I heard from you was a mouthful. Now tell me were you following Jesus in that instance, or just reacting as naturally acceptable? You see why the legendary statement of turning the other cheek is almost impossible? Just imagine Hulk hogan, in his hay days smacking your face with full force. Will you be willing to turn the other cheek, but to just run away from him, if you have the energy to do so?

9:123 Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Since they make wars on the "believers!" This is natural stance of human societies; America is fighting those who fight them. I remember the Christian hymms in High sv chool's morning devotions; Fight the good fight with all your might. Christ is the power and christ the , You know it and I have forgotten. What about the "Christian soldier hymms?

An explanation for these verses please Olabowale They are disturbing to me

They have been explained, to you now. What will you do to save your own soul, my brother in Humanity? I am eager to show you from the gospel of John where Jesus demand that his enemies be brought to his face and be slained. I think this will help you to know that Islam is the religion of Jesus, who was never a Christian.