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@Davidylan*: « #626 on: October 11, 2008, 12:36 AM »

I've read those of Paul, Peter, James, John, Luke. The early church christians of the bible. I know what messages they preached, i know how they lived and worshipped. I know what sacrifices they went through. I've read their examples and exhortations. Who else am i supposed to read on?

Christ's message never changes pre or post apostolic age . . . Its the same thing He preached that Paul and company preached and is the same thing i hold unto. Your catholic fathers preach a different sermon. no thanks, i have not even finished reading the bible.

Please tell us where Jesus preached Trinity and prayed in his own name. Please tell us if there are verses in the New Testament, where Jesus have deferred ownership of absolute Power to God, whom he called (Eloi) which sounds more like Allah, in a different accent/tongue, and not Aba, or Jehovah or Yahweh.

And the person who asked that the catholic should point out what they believe in from the Bible, I will like you to at the same time tell us where TRINITY is written in the BIBLE!

I asked myself this morning; if the Children of Israel, who are known for being stubborn as they were in the Old Testament, in a general sense followed Moses, after he has shown them mighty miracles, then it would have been expected that they followed Jesus, as the Christian claims that the Children of Israel were knowledgeable about Trinity, beforehand.

Afterall Jesus showed them plenty and unique miracles. If it is true that they expected God to have a son and or a partner, it would have been feasible that a good portion of these nations, if not all would have accepted his statement, but not concorted a plan to kill him off. Afterall, Jesus would have been a shoe in for them not to waste of their livestocks in trying to get redemptions. As the christian says, it is a wholesale blood sacrifice, that Jesus made.


And we all know how frugal Children of Israel are, even now, they would have gladly accepted somebody dying for them while they also save their livestocks from any future sacrifices. The fact of the matter is that the Children of Israel knew better! What could have been a better proposal is what Islam have presented for mankind; No more blood sacrifices. All you have to do is to make sincere repentance!

@Pilgrim.1: « #279 on: Today at 01:32:20 PM »

@Chrisbenogor,

So, what’s the difference?

There is a huge difference, for the fact that the Old Testament forms the foundation of so many doctrines in the Christian faith does not make Judaism a continuum into Christianity; nor can they be mixed up as if they were synonymous – for they are not.

This exact opinion I want you to think about it. You will see that it applies to Islam, in regards to God and His Angels, Mercy and Justice, Prophets, and Gods relationship to worshippers and the whole of mankind. You see, two, can play this game.

For instance, the Old Testament presents God as the Father of His covenant people. But it does not mean that He is ‘Father’ to believers based on the covenant of the old testament; but rather, He is Father to all who worship Him based on the foundation of the new birth by faith in Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God. Yet, both the OT and NT share the same faith and confession that God is ‘FATHER’ (Deuteronomy 32:6 and John 4:23).

Interesting concept. But full of misleading inuendos. The reality with God is that He, alone is the Creator! He created Adam from nothingness. Didn't He? Then clone from the body of Adam, Eve, who was Adam's mate, except that she was of a different gender! Was there an example of either of these human beings, until God decided what He decided? Is there a need for God Almighty to have a son, a partner? What is the purpose of such a son or partner? Is God not the one who forgave Adam and Eve after they have disobeyed his commandment, upon their seeking forgiveness?

Is a different way to create mankind going to be difficult with this Creator who created anew? Was Jesus not a human, who ate, slept, and do all things human do,including urinating and removing waste from his body, as gas, liquid and solid? Both Judaism and Christianity are regarded, like Buhhdism and others as regarded as disbeliefs. This is the position of Islam.

Is God not the same God that declared that Satan has no mercy from Him? And a proof of this is that Satan never seek forgiveness from God, ever! I want any one of the Christians, or whatever, to show where Satan has ever seeked any form of forgiveness from God! To sugarcoat a bad medicine, will not make it go down easy, especially it the sugar dissolves before swallowing is done!

Another example:

(a) both the OT and the NT share the same confession as regards:
– the nature of man (which is sinful) – Gen. 6:5 and Rom. 3:23
– sinful man’s need for redemption – 2 Sam. 7:23 and Rom. 3: 24

However, as you carefully read both the OT and NT, you will find that the basis of redemption in either case is not the same. Redemption under the OT is mainly by the blood of animals or money (see Lev. 25:51-52; Num. 3:48 and compare with 1 Peter 1:18); but in the NT, redemption is by Christ’s blood - Romans 3:24 (see also Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14).

While both of you struggle for who gives the bigger "blood sacrifice," Islam has no need of any "blood bath!" It simply say Oh God forgive me. Allah the Almighty God does accept "Sincere repentance!" He forgives, by His Mercy all sins! When there is no sin, one has practiced redemption. One has been redeemed.

One cannot mix issues up like this and wonder if Christians obey the Bible at all. Let me digress for just a bit with an observation and come back to this issue.


Look around you in so many religions and cults of today that claim to have some identity with the Biblical worldview in as much as they point to Jesus Christ in one way or the other – Mormonism, Islam, Grail Message, Arianism, Bahá'ísm, some branch of Hinduism (which regards Jesus as an avatar of God), etc.

You forgot Judaism that disregarded Jesus completely to nothingness. You also forgot that you dubiously regard all these religions, including Judaism, whom you stole their people, say if I satrt from Israel all th way to Jesus, as disbelievers! While Islam at least spoke about the fact that the Children of israel were one time believers, and the companions of Jesus were believers, you condemn or claimed the unclaimables about the Israel and his Children. You call Israel a trickster both with his brother and raising of animals in the land that he ran to to escape that certain death from his bother!

What will you say about Taoism and other Asiatic religions and practices that do not even care about Christianity and or jesus? PLease when you give us information, be kind to give us the full garmut. Finally, just because you are being corrected by Islam about your wrong concept about Jesus is not a crime. But something to take to heart by you and heed correction.

The correction given by Islam is the same thing as if a person who is ill is given the appropriate medicine to take. But he or she can refuse it, and the consequence of it is dire! You have refuesd to accept correction so far as a Christian! Don't blame any muslim in the day of Judgement!

It is remarkable that while Christianity does not try to “correct” them about how to define their own faiths, the one thing that strikes me is that all these worldviews do their best to “correct” Christians about the Biblical teaching of Jesus Christ! As you may have rightly observed, Christians are open to dialogue: they do not go on rampage when people say unfavourable things against Christ, the Bible, the Church, God, or Christianity. Yet, in Christian apologetics, one should be willing to let Christians define for themselves how they understand their faith in Jesus Christ.

You need not correct anyone, since you have brought out the booms, whips, food in one hand and Bible in the other! You only force feed people with your belief and dogma that it entails.

Its interesting to see that you who was a terror in the worst way, against the Christian, while you are lying about the prophet is making the statement above! Allah's messenger stated that those who tell lies about him should take their place in Hellfire. Even lying about an ordinary human being deserves punishment.

And it is interesting that you least church as one of the things you do not fight about. I wonder whta the Catholics will say about you on their belief and sect which has been around, over or close to a thousand years before Protestant's!?

@Huxley: « on: October 07, 2008, 11:05 PM »
Below was the question you asked,concerning the knowledge of Muhammad (as) , about the Origin of man. And after it, was my response to your question!

« on: October 08, 2008, 03:58 PM »
How knowledgeable would Mohammed have been about the true origins of humankind? Would he have believed the Genesis claims that he created Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden, located somewhere in the Middle East?

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Re: Did Mohammed Know - 1 - Human Origin ?
« #1 on: October 08, 2008, 08:37 PM »
@Huxley: « on: Today at 03:58:59 PM » Man. I didn't know that you are this gullible. lol. Now see me cream you!

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How knowledgeable would Mohammed have been about the true origins of humankind?


All the answer you seek is in the Gloriouys Qur'an. And the explanation is in the Tafsir and ahadith relating to the verses concerning the topics. Further, if you read the story of the prophets, you will have complete information of how Adam was created.

Adam is the first man. We in Islam, the follower of Muhammad, the last Messenger and the seal of prophethood, believe in Creation, not evolution. Evolution is a myth, in the imagination of atheist like you.

Now Surah Baqarah, verse 30 tells you about the intention of Allah to create Man, whom He called "His viceroy on earth."


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Would he have believed the Genesis claims that he created Adam & Eve in the garden of Eden, located somewhere in the Middle East?


Verse 35 states that Allah says to Adam and his mate Hawa to enter enter Paradise. That was after the genie known at that time as Iblis, who later became Shaitan had disobeyed Allah, by refusing to prostrate his face to Adam.

This action of disobedience by Iblis was the way used by Allah to reveal the true disbelieving natutre of Iblis. Iblis therefore swore to become an open enemy to Adam, his mate and their progenies; the human race. Allah warned Adam and his mate about Shaitan and his seducing ways. Further Allah warned Adam and his mate not to come near a tree in Paradise.

But Iblis, who soon becameShaitan whispered in suggestion to their hearts to go to the tree. After they took his suggestion, they became aware that they had not heeded the commandment of their Creator!

Soon after, they were sent out of the paradise, down to the earth to dwell in it, untill an appointed time. This is how human came from Paradise, in heaven, on to the earth.

The story of Iraqi garden of Eden is bogus. No true Muslim will accept it. Many questions can be asked of Iraqi's Eden though; where exactly is it and what happened to the tree. They say it is apple, where is the apple tree. lol.

Huxley, read in the name of your Lord who created! Come on man. This is too easy.

A person have to be genuinely practice dishonesty, like you to have claimed that I did not answer your question, as I did above! However when you put a set of irrelevant question as the follow up, I withdrew my interest in participating with you on your "charade!"

It is true that I spend quite a lot of time on Nairaland. But I also know when I should not respond to foolishness. How does simply asking about the knowledge of Muhammad about the start of humanity turns out to the exact time that Adam was created, and all the silly DNA and others that you listed?

Allah who has complete knowledge of things, who is the Creator of all things, created things that are time and place appropriate, providing to us proofs of His Lordship and capability to do as He pleases.

Some of the questions listed you have dubious " answers," for them already. Why bother to put them as if there is new discoveries that you are seeking? This is where your deceitful mind is at play.

@No2Atheism: « #358 on: Today at 03:16:14 AM »

Olabowale, and co, how are u doing, long time no hear.

How's the Jewel of Medina , has she been deflowered yet,

Every woman, if thats what you mean, is at least deflowered once in a lifetime. The first time is just that. So is every man? In a masculine way? Your statement does not make sense! You are talking about over 1400 years ago, as it it is happening or about to happen anytime from now! I thin you have remained in the cave long wnough. Come out of hybernation! Human should not take that long to join the human race!

Oh, i heard that either or both the Shia's and Sunni's are kicking out the Assyrian Christians (original landlords in Iraq), simply becus they are christians.

Liar! how is that possible that they are the original "landlords?" Was there anything called Christianity when Ibrahim left his fire worshipping people? You lack honesty man. No wonder I did not miss you. You need to go back where you came from, because you are not showing good sense in your speech!

Hope u didn't miss me too much

I did not know that you existed. How then can I miss you? With the much much lies coming from you, you seem to me that you need to be gone for a long time. But when you return to at least learn that honesty is the best policy. Even when you disagree with others.

@Chrisbenegor: I am happy that you are in China. How are the Muslims in China? Are they getting the best of treatment or being repressed? How is the Augar (I hope I spell it correctly) Muslim ethnic people?

How is the non violence religious practice of the Buhhdist, compared to the Christian's pseudo non violent religion. Now look around the world today: The people who have more Nukes than the others are the so called Christians! All the wars, less a couple of them, since Christianity sprang up in human history, i sexclusively the handwork of the practictioners of this non violent religion! Just Imagine it is labelled "Violent?!"

Maybe you think we are all asleep at the wheel. If Christianity is changing, adapting itself to human laws and conditions, regardless of the morality of it, then know that Islam will not. The simple reason is that we will stick with the laws and conditions set forth by God, Allah the Almighty. We will not compromise. Life is too short to compromise in some situations. The stand on religion is at the top of it.

@Ibnsalam: How long do we have to wait, before you can bring out, from the Qur'an where "Muhammad (AS)," said that he was commanded to worship the Lord of "this city?" We should not have to wait for too long! But the way you are carrying on, we may just have to wait "indefinitely."

I will not count on you coming back with anything tangibly debatable! Davidylan*, since you can say "Hear, Hear," to Ibnsalam's lies, I wonder if you should not be counted among the liars, here with Ibnsalam? Unless you can restore your own dignity by going into the Qur'an and get for us, where "Muhammad 9AS), said"; I have been commanded to worship the Lord of this City (Makka)!

Does IbnSalam knows what he is saying? From his presentation, it seems that he is saying that "Muhammad (AS)," is the author of the Qur'an? But the Qur'an says that Muhammad is an Unlettered Messenger/Prophet. The Qur'an further stated that the whole Qur'an is from Allah, taught to Muhammad by the one powerful (Malaika Jibril (AS)). Is it not that IbnSalam is a ig time liar here, otherwise he would have come back in a quick New York minute to defend himself.

Oh, he is one of those who writes but never hangs around long enough to read the reply to his deceit!

@reindeer:

the holy spirit can't be faked.

Whats the name of the holy spirit? And whats it nature? What did she/he do in history?

We know some of name. His name was Jesus. I am just using the Bible now.
We know who you call father. You say his name is Yahweh, and Jehovah! But Jesus whom you called "lord," called God Eloi. This sound very close to Allah. Try it for size! Then getback to me on this.

I want to humor you alot. The Africans by and large can pronounce the Arabic Shin. They pronounce it sin!
The Indians and all the nations, that could be said to be in the "indian subcontinent can say the aphabet "V". They say it as if it is "W!" The Chinese can say the alphabet "R," but says it "L!" The Hebrews and other semitic nations could easily say Eloi, when the really are saying "Allah!"

Let me know ho wyou make out in this exercise. You see why Jesus can never be "lord!"?

JJYOU is peddling the old trick that broke up Christianity; Sales of indulgence!

You pushed the wrong button. My apology is not to say that I will jump into the wrong camp. I will not throw myself off the cliff, without all sort of safety devices. There is no apostating here. I have the God of Jesus, already! Come on man!

@Olaadegbu: Where are the challenges that Babs787 is expecting you to bring up?

I am surprise that the Christian link, and the writers on the site could not know that
the pagan could have used the name, Allah, for their paganic understanding of God.

But were the first to use that name, Allah? Were they the first to perform Hajj and
every manner of duties, described by the link? The answer is no! The name, Allah and
the rites/duties of Hajj were used by Ibrahim. Long time before any Idol in the Kaaba!

Maybe the Christian can simply tell us, if Ibrahim, was a pagan, hence a stronger case
maybe held about "the moon god," concept! Then I will even go further that Allah was
well known as the God of earlier prophets, and true believers who followed them;
Adam and his wife, and his bloodline, all the way to and after Noah and those who
were saved from the flood!

The God these believers and their prophets/messengers worshipped, was not Jesus!
Was not the father! Was not the ghost! Was not Jehovah! And was not Yahweh!

There were people long time on earth before Hebrew people and later absorbed by
the Children of Israel, known in a mislabelling as today's "Jews!"

While am at it, I apologise to anyone or everyone, whoever found anything I wrote "offensive." I sincerely apologise, even when I am right in my statement.

Aburo. I apologise. But I doubt if I have ever insulted you. You have my email. Could you send me anything or all the things I have said to you that you deem as insult or inappropriate? I really would need you to do that for me. Mio gbodo ri Olori Yorubaland fin.

Okay, Orile Kingdom.

Scientists: Virginia shark's pup a 'virgin birth' By STEVE SZKOTAK, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 10, 2:32 PM ET



RICHMOND, Va. - Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark. In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.

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The first documented case of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, among sharks involved a pup born to a hammerhead at an Omaha, Neb., zoo.

"This first case was no fluke," Demian Chapman, a shark scientist and lead author of the second study, said in a statement. "It is quite possible that this is something female sharks of many species can do on occasion."

The aquarium sharks that reproduced without mates each carried only one pup, while some shark species can produce litters numbering in the dozen or more. The scientists cautioned that the rare asexual births should not be viewed as a possible solution to declining global shark populations.

"It is very unlikely that a small number of female survivors could build their numbers up very quickly by undergoing virgin birth," Chapman said.

The medical mystery began 16 months ago after the death of the Atlantic blacktip shark named Tidbit at the Virginia Beach aquarium. No male blacktip sharks were present during her eight years at the aquarium.

In May 2007, the 5-foot, 94-pound shark died of stress-related complications related to her unknown pregnancy after undergoing a yearly checkup. The 10-inch shark pup was found during a necropsy of Tidbit, surprising aquarium officials. They initially thought the embryonic pup was either a product of a virgin birth or a cross between the blacktip and a male of another shark species — which has never been documented, Chapman said.

Tidbit's pup was nearly full term, and likely would have been quickly eaten by "really big sand tiger sharks" that were in the tank, Chapman said in a telephone interview from Florida.

That is what happened to the tiny hammerhead pup in the Omaha case.

"By the time they could realize what they were looking at, something munched the baby," he said of aquarium workers. The remains of the pup were used for the DNA testing.

Virgin birth has been proven in some bony fish, amphibians, reptiles and birds, and has been suspected among sharks in the wild. The scientists who studied the Virginia and Nebraska sharks said the newly formed pups acquired one set of chromosomes when the mother's chromosomes split during egg development, then united anew.

Absent the chromosomes present in the male sperm, the offspring of an asexual conception have reduced genetic diversity and, the scientists said, may be at a disadvantage for surviving in the wild. A pup, for instance, can be more susceptible to congenital disorders and diseases.

The scientists said their findings offer "intriguing questions" about how frequently automictic parthenogenesis occurs in the wild.

"It is possible that parthenogenesis could become more common in these sharks if population densities become so low that females have trouble finding mates," said Mahmood Shivji, one of the scientists and director of the Guy Harvey Research Institute at Nova Southeastern University in Florida.

The DNA fingerprinting techniques used by the scientists are identical to those used in human paternity testing.

Chapman, who is with the Institute for Ocean Conservation Science at Stony Brook, was assisted in the study by Beth Firchau of the Virginia Aquarium.

Chapman and Shivji were on the team that made the first discovery of virgin birth involving the Nebraska shark.

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On the Net:

Virginia Aquarium: http://www.vmsm.com

Stony Brook School of Marine and Atmospheric Science: http://www.somas.stonybrook.edu

Oceanographic Center of Nova Southeastern University: http://www.nova.edu/ocean/ghri.

Interesting find this morning on Yahoo News.

Scientists: Virginia shark's pup a 'virgin birth' By STEVE SZKOTAK, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 10, 2:32 PM ET

RICHMOND, Va. - Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark. In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male.


The first documented case of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, among sharks involved a pup born to a hammerhead at an Omaha, Neb., zoo.

"This first case was no fluke," Demian Chapman, a shark scientist and lead author of the second study, said in a statement. "It is quite possible that this is something female sharks of many species can do on occasion."

The aquarium sharks that reproduced without mates each carried only one pup, while some shark species can produce litters numbering in the dozen or more. The scientists cautioned that the rare asexual births should not be viewed as a possible solution to declining global shark populations.

"It is very unlikely that a small number of female survivors could build their numbers up very quickly by undergoing virgin birth," Chapman said.

The medical mystery began 16 months ago after the death of the Atlantic blacktip shark named Tidbit at the Virginia Beach aquarium. No male blacktip sharks were present during her eight years at the aquarium.

In May 2007, the 5-foot, 94-pound shark died of stress-related complications related to her unknown pregnancy after undergoing a yearly checkup. The 10-inch shark pup was found during a necropsy of Tidbit, surprising aquarium officials. They initially thought the embryonic pup was either a product of a virgin birth or a cross between the blacktip and a male of another shark species — which has never been documented, Chapman said.

Tidbit's pup was nearly full term, and likely would have been quickly eaten by "really big sand tiger sharks" that were in the tank, Chapman said in a telephone interview from Florida.

That is what happened to the tiny hammerhead pup in the Omaha case.

"By the time they could realize what they were looking at, something munched the baby," he said of aquarium workers. The remains of the pup were used for the DNA testing.

Virgin birth has been proven in some bony fish, amphibians, reptiles and birds, and has been suspected among sharks in the wild. The scientists who studied the Virginia and Nebraska sharks said the newly formed pups acquired one set of chromosomes when the mother's chromosomes split during egg development, then united anew.

Absent the chromosomes present in the male sperm, the offspring of an asexual conception have reduced genetic diversity and, the scientists said, may be at a disadvantage for surviving in the wild. A pup, for instance, can be more susceptible to congenital disorders and diseases.

The scientists said their findings offer "intriguing questions" about how frequently automictic parthenogenesis occurs in the wild.

"It is possible that parthenogenesis could become more common in these sharks if population densities become so low that females have trouble finding mates," said Mahmood Shivji, one of the scientists and director of the Guy Harvey Research Institute at Nova Southeastern University in Florida.

The DNA fingerprinting techniques used by the scientists are identical to those used in human paternity testing.

Chapman, who is with the Institute for Ocean Conservation Science at Stony Brook, was assisted in the study by Beth Firchau of the Virginia Aquarium.

Chapman and Shivji were on the team that made the first discovery of virgin birth involving the Nebraska shark.

___

On the Net:

Virginia Aquarium: http://www.vmsm.com

Stony Brook School of Marine and Atmospheric Science: http://www.somas.stonybrook.edu

Oceanographic Center of Nova Southeastern University: http://www.nova.edu/ocean/ghri.

My conclusion: God can create in any which way He pleases!

How can spiritual alertness bring about intensed corruption?

Its like having light and darkness at the same place at the same time.
It is either the light was not truly there, all along. Otherwise, there
will not be any sincilla of darkness.

Nigeria can not be truly spiritual and yet corrupetd. I think we have to
look at it from the microcozm, the individual issue. Those who are truly
spiritual will not participate in corruption. There must be some of those
among the poor, if none among the elites.

@Abushaheed: Jazakallahu Khair.

My mother is the only reason that I can drop everything.
I love those who love their mothers. My mother is my
dearest. I am determined to see her through in happiness
for the rest of her life.

@Plus_Queen: I have no grudges and no anger against you. May God forgive all of us. Amin.

My brother Littleb is right. We seek true forgiveness from God Almighty, alone.

@A_K_O: « #613 on: Yesterday at 06:52:40 PM »

David and co.

It is quite obvious that the Catholic Church does not take the Bible as the word of God.

Or maybe it is the word of God but it is fallibe and not complete.

They see it as their compilation of historical events that Martin Luther deleted seven books out of.

It is the piece of Literature they compiled that we are now defiantly referring to on every occassion.
That's why I stopped getting involved in all these kind of arguments.

Referring them to scripture does not achieve much.

What made you think that you can "refer the Catholic to 'Scripture'?" Is this not, by your admission, above that the so called scripture was with the "catholic," long time, before Martin Luther came about and copied it, less the books deleted?

How is it possible that the newcomer, on the same topic and using the exact same book of recording facts on that topic, can think that he/she is an authority and better suited than the one he learnt it from?

If you are a Yoruba man, I will use the Yoruba language for illustration. There are some tribes of people outside Yoruba Nigeria who speak this language. The folks in Brazil for example are extracted Yorubas during slavery. Based on the aduteration of the Yoruba landguage they now come up speaking, because of the influencs of Slavery and portuguese language, can they these Brazilian "Yorubas," correct the Speech of the Yorubas in Yorubaland of Nigeria?

Never! This is the case with the protestants with the catholics. If you call the catholics modernized adolators, the protestants have to be worse than that! And just because you do not venerate a physically erect statue, you must never forget that you have the same dogma of 3 in 1. This is the worst kind of adolatry.

@The Questioner, and those who have doubt, enough that they sided with the "Questioner;" when you can answer where you are from and all your supposed ancestors are from, I will tell you Where and who we all came from!

Then does the One whom we all, and all things came from have to have where He came from, or a Creator? Is the Final Source and Final Creator not beyond and above any condition you put others?

@JJYOU: « #1380 on: Yesterday at 03:44:04 PM »  

i would revert back to my normal custom of ignoring you because i don't argue with people with your mindset. you are talking like a child and not a man.

Child babbles. Young people can make sense! Grown people do not have to be always correct. But in your case, I think you believe that you are above the law of God, the way we see it in everyday in ordinary people. If you think that as a muslim, I will not at least correct, the falsehood presented by anyone about Islam, when I know better, you have another thing coming. I often write to those televangelists and website hosts who tell lies about islam. Forget about th muslims. It is not impossible for muslims to be deviants, making mistakes.

you don't go about insulting or fighting women not even in the name of your so called religion. surprise surprise you don't even need to have religion to know that

Surprise surprise, I do not strike women, hard or lightly. It is not a crime or abbormination to challenge a person to speak the truth. Man or woman, especially when their lies are so blatant! Thats what I and we did with Pilgrim.1! It is your type, I take it that the day a woman push you over the edge, you will lash out by striking her. I on the other hand do not bottle anything inside.

if you knew where i am, you would not talk about where i live now. living in america has not changed you.

And I long to move back home, and make Nigeria my permanent nation of residence! And I really do not care about where you are now, as long as you are satisfied at your condition!

i am shocked a mole person can spell the word saucy let alone use it. you have your 4 wives and you still go about listening to some women talk saucy to you.

You don't know the meaning of Saucy, do you?

God help you.  you need Jesus in your life quick

I ask for God's help, always. I have Jesu, already, in the same way that I have all the prophets.
Jesus and I have God Almighty. The God that is One and is always the One to be needed at all times.


@KunleOshob: I could never agree with you more than I do, now, on what you wrote above about our esteemed "Pundit," Pilgrim.1! She dances too much that you wonder if the band is not tired of playing for her.

Power point presentation, in real time is checking out WWW. Islamtoday.com.
It is hosted by Sheikhu Al Islam, Yusuf Estes. A former Christian Minister and a
white Texan!

You can try Zeituna Institute of of Hamzah Yusuf! It should be noted that these
people are former "American Christians!" I do not want to belabor the issue!

If any were to follow your advise, Olaadegbu, one is better and safe to look at
the issue of Pilgrim.1, as a test tranche of what should be expected in the anti
Islamic websites you are directing anyone!

What would a Creationist, for example learn from the symposium of an adherent
Evolutionst, concerning creation? Zero to his benefit! Everything about his speech
will be against Creation, but all for the benefit of advancing Evolution!

As to the Christian websites; you need to ask them first how come Christianity is
not being accepted by the Children of israel, whom "Jesus son of Mary," was a man
from that ethnicity? Let me help you for a follow up idea; the Jews think among other
things, that Christianity is paganic because of its multiplicity of godship! Abeg go sidon!

Wayo man in England. The same wayo English people played on africans and carted
everything, including our resources away! I guess they teach you well. But I am on to you.

@Olaadegbu: Check out the fact, in the Qur'an about what is stated about the "Moon." Didn't Prophet Muhammad split the moon, into two, as a clear sign of his Prophethood to his people?

I guess, you Christian love to split your god, into many gods! In this case three!
We in Islam do not have a multiple gods, nor do we have the power or right to
split our Creator! Hence, the fact that Muhammad (AS), splitted the moon to two
clearly shows that the moon is nothing both a "tool," and not a god of any kind!

Well of course, as a sign of his prophethood, as fulfilled to the Makkans, the moon
was split! It is almost like the promised sign of "Jesus," in the Bible! But not quite
because the three days and three night was not quite accurate; from Friday evening
to just dawn on Sunday! Do the math bro. And you also said he died, but Jonas, who
was a miraculous similitude to Jesus, did not die in the belly of the Whale!

Who is the liar, here? You or him? I say it is you and the Bible writers!

@Mybad: Marriage is commanded on all . There is no room for permanent "Bachelor or Spinster." Marriage should not be either interesting nor uninteresting. Its a must. Otherwise, human will die off at a very geometrical rate. Allah will make way for you. Amin. Read the Qur'an and study the Hadith, and discover the importance of marriage and having offspring!

@Plus_Queen: « #43 on: Today at 01:42:55 AM »  

Quote from: KarmaMod on Today at 01:28:36 AM


How come princess Ada wasnt enough that he started staring at madam half Igbo half Egyptian

poor Ada. upon all the converting


Upon all her lawyerly education and upbringing.
she must have a very low self esteem or she comes from a dysfunctional polygamous home herself if not why would any girl,an Igbo girl for that matter with a a very low statistics of plural marriages  in her environment when compared to other major tribes in Nigeria settle for this type of nonsense.
In this day and age?

You must be seething. She does not have the unenvious and gluttonic greed that you have. You are just talking nonsense. Low esteem, dysfunctional? You must be drunk with "Apeteshi," tonight! And thank God you did not say that there is no multiple marriage in Igboland. Abeg, Plus_Queen, (lol, Sharap!). You think she is like you, jealous and possessive like crazy! You see a lawyer with low esteem before; even in the bushy texas you live?

She converts to Islam to please this man who obviously swept her off her feet and how does he reward her?
By marrying a third wife and reconciling with his first at the same time professing his love.
Makes me sick

You need a doctor. I think you are allucinating. You are not serious. Most of your statement, at least is hogwash. Reconciling with my first? Plus_Queen, are you okay? Your statement is weirder, more that usual this evening!

what's even more disgusting are the adult women that settle for this sort of emotional abuse all in the name of marriage.
is she disabled or mentally handicapped

Plus_Queen, disabled or mentally handicapped? Maybe you are. emotionally. My girl is neither. I think Karmamod is Jealous. Just like you are now.


@Davidylan*: Plus_Queen would have loved to be in Ada's place. She can front all she wants. I know better. And Karmamod is just trying to be noticed. I understand both of them. Let them exercise their newfound women power! The Westchester girl does not understand city life!


@Karmamod: You need to watch your speech! What kind of upbringing do you have to call your Big sister, by the fact that you are both Yoruba Nigerians, these terrible names? Oju timi fun e. I expect better from you. When the africans reside in a foreign land, you should pick the best of their qualities. Not the worst.

And people in downstate are animals and criminals? Manhattan is the heart beat of American finance. What are you talking about?

Further, a muslim girl who has bfs, is just the way Pilgrim was, when she was a muslim. I have news for you, Islam forbids those kinda relationship! Those who lost their hymen in illegal sexual acts are just as bad as bad can be. You are naive, at least about Islam. Loo sun. Kora e so un. I will be busy. I am tiresd of responding to your boiling blood personality.

We can do this over the weekend, when I am less busy. Pele. Iya lode. And i am not one to threaten anyone. I stood on the side of Seun then, and yes, even now. Right?

You are being ridiculous. I have a business torun. I will not have time for all these silliness that you are into. I have to make payrolls. You are all over the places with your questions. Its a waste of my time. I aint got that much time to waste.

@Karmamod: « #33 on: Yesterday at 10:35:11 PM »

who cares about what wife you have.

If you didn't care, you sure fooled me with your woman scorned anger.

My point was that it's disgraceful that as a Yoruba man you would make nasty stereotypical remarks about Yoruba women because you're not married to one ie your comment about opilgriom being "boy crazy" because of her Yoruba blood and since when is having a boyfriend enough to call the girl "boy crazy". Lo joko jare.

I wo omode yi ni ko lo joko. Ko si jare ni oro e. What you are angry about is the "boy crazy" label, right?
Well ready to be extremely angry. How well do you describe a girl in Hijab, according to her, who is running after Keferi white boys? For a muslim there is no room for boyfriend. And in Pilgrim's case, then it was "boyfriends!" Thats boy crazy!

I have news for you, I know a group of sisters in DC area, who are still virgins. They are Yoruba women. With one of the all times internationally recognized last names. The youngest is 21! I dont get you. You seem to be barking the wrong tree. Kaka ki a fi enu kon ba eni ibi wi, nkon ibi ni iwo omode yi ngbe ja! Maybe you are also boy crazy. At least you are not flunting it. And you are not a muslim anyhow. So it is not a bad thing. If Pilgrim is boy crazy now, she is in the right quarter for it!

and e jo, I don't live in Brooklyn. Huge Difference between Brooklyn and Westchester.

Where in Westchester? Pound Ridge? I wo ni ko joo! You live in upstate!


[Quote]
Um have you ever seen me argue with you in regards to such? Please quote me if you have. the problem I have with you is when you barge into simple threads and spew your hate speech. When the Christians did the same to you guys, I complained all the time so I'm just returning the favor especially now that you guys have your own forum and mod protection.[/quote]Ko ra e so un! When did you get appointed to be the speech police, especially when you will Yimu si wa leyin wa? I wo omode yi kinda made my day with the Yimu yimu. You reminded me of "ameboo, mebo, mebo!" I will sleep like a little boy after the "jokes," you have posted. Ma sha ri anti e fin. For me, I dont care. And if you see me, and if my style is you kunle fun mi. It will be orunkun mejeji! But interestingly, Islam will not make me demand it from you. Where did you find me making "hate speech?" Ma paro mo wa o! Otherwise I will come to Westchester and file a law suit and call for punitive damages. Kata lomo de yi. Agidi omode shi nda e lamuu.

Is this side so boring that you feel the need to disrupt the other threads that have nothing to do with islam? To harrass a girl all over the place. Wouldnt surprise me if you're the Abdul sef

Ki lo nso? Whats Abdul sef? It that a new lingo, or a local Westchester thing? Harass a girl? Which girl? I wo omode yi, o je daa le!

as for Ayinba, tell her to act her age.

O ti ndi oro arifin. You can talk to your older sister like that. If it is true you are a Yoruba woman. Stop it. Now wear the garment of yoruba culture. America is still part of the earth of God Almighty.

@Davidylan*: « #18 on: Today at 04:45:26 PM »

Quote from: ayinba1 on Today at 04:26:38 PM
@david

what would you be if you could not speak/write/read English language? it looks like this is a big measure for you!


if you try to communicate in english at least try and show that you went to school no be so? Help us beg alhaji.
Yeah i meant "two" rather than "too" . . . typing error.

Same issue with me, sometimes. Your case reminded me of a professor of Economics at the University of Ibadan in the
'70s. His name was Bolaji, I believe. He could not write a complete sentence without some grammatical errors. But was this man very knowledgeable about his stuff.

I also know a man, Kenneth Tyler, in New Jersey, who was a former News Manager for NBC, in the national level.
Kenny, does not know to spell. Yet he is very successful at what he does. David, you at least got pinches from from my writings. And I guess you have to get back at me. lol. I can take it. How about you adding 1+1 +1, coming up to 1, instead of 3? How did you manage that math?

@Karmamod: « #29 on: Today at 09:11:49 PM »

"Boy crazy" coming from a man with multiple wives all over the place.

oh the Irony.

Are you angry that I have an Igbo wife? The mother of my children is a Yoruba woman.
The ironic thing is that I do not perform an adultery. And at least I am not "woman crazy!"
Who told you that I will not marry a Yoruba woman? My first love, my mother, then my sister,
aunts, nieces, and all the women in my bloodlines are all Yoruba women. What are you
talking about.


@KarmaMod (f): « #30 on: Today at 09:15:16 PM »

You don't respect yourself most times olabowole, so why should i respect you? Harassing girls young enough to be your daughters.

Not that it matters. But is it that I dont respect myself? Is it because I disagree with your Christian viewpoints? I really, and, sincerely don't care if you respect me or not, since you put it like that. In as long I stay within the boundary of religion with you. I will be okay. How do you come to the conclusion that I harass people?

At most if we were to ever meet, you MIGHT get a half kneel from me because of my Yoruba blood. (the same Yorubas you insulted by implying we're promisicous because you have igbo wives by the way)

You my criteria for a wife? A believer! She has to be a muslim. How could I have insulted
yoruba women, when I am a yoruba man myself? Je kin simi o jare! You dont know what
you are talking about. After I am a muslim. I am a yoruba man. And the Igbo woman is
more yoruba than me. I will say.Ma kunle fun mi o.


Olorun Oba ni ki o kunle fun. Ko fori bale fun Olorun Allah tio lafi we! Karmamod, you are a
funny woman. Almost feisty. Almost I said.

When I read an entry where Yoruba women were being put down, I spoke against it and
ask how all of you, especially the Yoruba males in Christianity did not rise up to defend their
women folks, since the supposed culprit was a Christian. Je kin rookon, o jare.

Doesnt mean when you turn around I wont "yimu si e"

Thats agaba gebe! You yimu si wa leyin wa. Terrible. At least you
know not to do it niwaju wa. Nibo lonjesi, gon? I am in Manhattan. I may visit
Brooklyn, in the coming weeks.

True respect is given to those who deserve it. It's really simple.

How do you determine those who are truly deserving of it? Their
agreement with you? Thats disingenous. You will never find more
honest people than those who disagree with you with malicious intent.
Aburo, you are not sincere!

And by the way, when I said you should not talk to your elder in a
disrespecting way, I meant Ayinba1. Me, I can handle your woman yanga.
You are bent on proofing something. Thats okay with me.

You know Huxley, I am shocked. I was hoping that you and I have have a good exchange there. I am disappointed. But you got the gist of my answer. I can continue to respond to you here, from the Islamic perspective.

@Karmamod: « #25 on: Today at 06:19:08 PM »

He can reach kingship sef, means nothing when he has no respect for himself. Same goes to you.

Since you're older than David, you're older than me as well.

Just act your age, madam elede agbaya

You don't talk to your elders that way. Unless you do not want the youngs to accord you any respect.

And discussion should not turn nasty, especially when you are just putting your points across. I talk
to Davidylan* the way I do because I have a rapport with him. Same is Plus_Queen. And some others.

Veal is the flesh of baby cow. Not fully grown or matured cow. The flesh is very tender. Unlike the flesh of matured cow, which could be rough and tough. Veal is more expensive. Veal is not any part of swine, pig or as karmamod called it pork.

@Davidylan: « #15 on: Today at 04:07:42 PM »

if i were pro-islam i'D be your best friend. Sharrap dia!
Isnt olabowale more boring with his lack of ability to string too grammatically correct sentences together?
Boring because i point out the fact that you dishonest woman continously steal phrases from the very bible you say is corrupt?

Is it possible that the Bible is the only good source of "phrases," that addresses human conditions? Sharap dia, David!
Read your own entry above, as highlighetd and tell me the need for the word "too," in there? And you are the professor. You students will come out of your class, feeling worse than they went in. You are even more boring than me.

Getting back to the issue at hand; Have you ever heard the yoruba phrase, "Eefi ni wa?" (Manner or behavior is a smoke or like smoke; you just can't contain it). It means exactly the same thing as 'by their words, acts, deeds, we shall know them.' The Bible has no exclusivity on the natural behavior of man. Instead, the Bible stiffened what is natural. For example it promulgates an idea that people should "turn the other cheek".


Tell me who has ever followed such a laughable idea before, among the Christians? A simple slap of the face of a Christian leader, in Europe started the first world war, I believe. If one of the wrestlers give you a hard slap, and, i am certain that by the time you come to your senses, you will know that turning the other cheek is not an option. But getting away from him, is a wiser decision.

Boring because i constantly wonder why you have so much "love" for pilgrim and her testimony?

Get over yourself . . . this isnt a place for humor, its a place to make sure hypocrites like you don't get away with altaqiyya.

Oh David. Nobody loves Pilgrim testimony more that a person will love to lose a $1 million in this time austere. Whats to love about what pilgrim said? The boy crazy, with too many changing of white boys, or the woman in Hijab lying about Prophet Muhammad (as), or what? You a man, you are not even running after all the tribes of Africa. You restrict yourself to Igbo and yoruba and others! Stop acting so incedious! You tool! I am a gentleman.

Allah sent a woman to hell for refusing to feed a cat? this allah sef . . .

The same Allah made a man go to Paradise by his simple act of kindness, when he gave water to a thirsty dog! The same Allah, made a man who killed 100 people and then seek forgiveness go to paradise.

But wait, didn't Jesus condemn the other "thief," who was also being crucified? What was his reason? And yet he could not save himself and had to cry out in lamentation, or in regret to a "Eloi (Allah), God and not Aba or father."

Man you are so busted and also boring.