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« #121 on: Yesterday at 10:45:07 PM »
What selfish purpose? How will I know the similarities between the bible and koran when I don't even know the koran exists. Why the undue interest in christianity by muslims? We are not interested in Islam and that is the last thing we discuss in our churches because unlike you guys, we are not insecure and hungry for the real truth.

Go to Big Cities: DC, because it is the seat of Power, you will find places where to acquire at least, "the English text of what a writer takes as the meaning of "Arabic Qur'aan." I have been inviting you to the Big City, the Big Apple, The glitz, The Neon Lights, The Big Broad Boulevard of Broadway, and am sure you can handle it "BUS LADI; lol." No wonder you dont know the difference between AlQur'aan and " "Bible." There are no similarities in them. If you see any convergence, it is only in characters alone. Read the story of Yusuf, in English text and then read it in your Bible! Its like the "deviant woman" compared to the woman still in Orile Kingdom, in Osun State. The osun woman is authentic, still. While the deviant woman in Maryland is "Fake!" She oti yee e?

And you wear all the Confetti's of Dominetrix to Church? Invite me. I want to have a good laugh.

Jesus was not a slave my friend. He came as the messiah and that is what He is till this day.

Yea girl. Jesus is a pure and first class "slave Servant" of the highest order! You can only have one Master of Creation. And Jesus (AS) aint HIM. Even your Bible makes it clear, while it still manages to convolute it, later in other parts: Jesus begged, prayed, cried out to a Higher Authority, WHICH IS GOD, ALLAH.

Jesus was a messiah of the Children of israel, only temporarily, because he was the last of the "Tribal Prophets," and this messiahship ended up, until the advent of the Prophethood of Muhammad (AS), to all mankind. The Israelites are part of this race of mankind. No tribe of people is outside it. There is no reason for Muhammad to be named " Massiah" because it is now a NON-ISSUE.

Maybe, you Funmi, is still living in that confusion of on one hand calling "Mary, "VIRGIN,"", while on the other hand you claim that he had a husband, "Joseph" who slept with her and got her pregnant twice to deliver the "brothers of Jesus!" If you continue to call this woman "VIrgin," and by your own admission state that she delivered other Babies because of man, Joseph, sleeping with her, then, we see a clear opposing views in play in your mind. We can see it. But because of your unbelieving heart, you can not.

The above is the exact same thing about your hard nosed view of Jesus about being the "Messiah!" In truth, he could not be messiah more than the temporary period before Muhammad came and could not even then, at the time his Messiahship was in play more than outside the "tribes and nations of the people known as the Children of Israel!" I remember that Jesus declared his message is only to the House of israel. Omo Yoruba, nibo niwo ti je Omo Isireli? Ojoro iwo omode yi, o po ju!

Another pigment of your inferiority complex. Olabowale asked for death cert b/c apparently, there was no rigor mortis and how he knew this, I don't know. Why are you trying so hard to deny the death and resurrection of Christ? I am not surprised because that was one thing that separated Him from other prophets. No need to playa hate , just believe because it's free.

Whats inferiority complex? Is truth inferioriy, now? When you read your Bible again and you get to where they did "death test," by spear to the side, you will know that blood flows out like drainage water! Like when you open the flood gates, it shot out. Then tell me if there is "Rigo Mortis!" And if you can't conclusively say that, the blood stopped flowing in his veins, then know that you can not conclusively say that he died. For when a person dies, the blood thickens, it does not flow as it used to be when the person was not alive and not dead.

Or can you? Step on the foot of your "demented clients" and if the skin breaks, you will see if the blood will not flow! lol. And when you whip them, and their skin bereaks, you dont see blood? Duuh. You are a bad dominitrix. You need to learn that job terrible job, well. I am not encouraging you. In a way am trying to discourage you. Maybe my style is unorthodox, but it may work.

Thanks for your advise and your best wishes. I wish you a great week ahead, too.

Teen 'Buddha' Returns to JungleBy BINAJ GURUBACHARYA, AP


posted: 21 HOURS 38 MINUTES AGOcomments: 350filed under: World NewsPrintShareText SizeAAAKATMANDU, Nepal (Nov. 22) - A Nepalese teenager revered by many as a reincarnation of Buddha has returned to the jungle to meditate after emerging for less than two weeks, officials said Saturday.


Ram Bahadur Bamjan, 18, reappeared on Nov. 10 after several months of meditation to bless thousands of his followers, speaking to them on at least two occasions.



Is He Divine?

Binod Joshi, AP6 photos A teenager revered by his followers as a reincarnation of Buddha returned to the jungles of Nepal after emerging for less than two weeks, officials said Saturday. Ram Bahadur Bamjan emerged from the jungle on Nov. 10, prompting thousands of pilgrims to seek his blessing. Followers believe he had spent the last three years meditating without food and water.

(Note: Please disable your pop-up blocker): I wished I could have provided his pictures! But he is quite a handsome young man. Long flowing hairs. He reminded me of supposed pictures that we see of another earlier person given the same claim of "Divinity," by those who label themselves as adherents of the religion named after him!




He made his last appearance on Friday and then returned to the jungle to meditate, said Biswo Prakash Newpane, a government administrator in the area. It was not clear when he would return again.

His followers lined up near the jungle of Ratanpur, about 100 miles south of Katmandu, to be blessed by Bamjan. He tapped the believers on their forehead but did not speak to them individually.


The followers believe he has been meditating without food and water since he was first spotted in the jungles of southern Nepal in 2005. Believers say he spent months without moving, sitting with his eyes closed beneath a tree.
Buddhism, which has about 325 million followers, teaches that every soul is reincarnated after death in another bodily form.

But several Buddhist scholars have been skeptical of the claims that Bamjan is a reincarnation of Siddhartha Gautama, who was born in southwestern Nepal roughly 2,500 years ago and became revered as the Buddha, or Enlightened One.
Rakesh, a Buddhist scholar, told The Associated Press last week that being Buddha means the last birth and the highest level that can be achieved and there can be no reincarnation of Buddha, even though Buddhists believe in life after death.

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If you believe there is The God who Creates, then you should first reflecton His purpose for creating you, humans. You should factor in what your differences are with the wild beasts which are also part of the creation.

If you consider these two factors, first your higher level than the animals among the creation, you will realise that there is a purpose for which God created mankind; human.

Allah says in the Qur'an that we should ponder and ask if He created all that is created for nothing? The answer is that creation was not undertaking by God without any purpose. To man, all other things in the creation are for a purpose. The main purpose is to provide a proof that there is in existence a Supreme Overseer in Charge! If there is no Supreme Lord in charge, there would definitely have been a calamity, so severe and so sudden that the outcome could have been nothing remaining. We will all agree that no one of us will accept that a ship will sail the highseas, without a Captain, except that there will be a certain ruin at the end.

We also know that no automobile can navigate a crowded road, full of traffic, without a driver to direct its course, otherwise an accident is certainly what will expect at the end. No Pilotless aircraft can fly safely to its destination. If these are not expected situations by you who doubt the existence of God, why would expect the Universe to run this smoothly, except that it has its own Master?

That master is God. God says that "and I did not create Jinn (genie) and man, except that they Worship Me." Worship therefore entails the major and singular action; Obedience or Submission to the Command, Rule and instruction of God.
It is the way, path, religion that enbodies this fact, Obedience to a single LOrd God that is what created or revealed as the religion of true relation of man with Him.

God is Master. Human is the subject. A subject can not chose a path that pleases him to serve his Master. If he does, his Master will reject it and will be vexed with him. He will punished, if the mater wishes. He may be mercied, if that is the way the Master intend to show His Power. If a path chosen is different from what a Master, who has Authority has instructed, regardless of how glossy this "invented path is," it will be a path of deviance, rejection.

Islam is therefore the path chosen by God to mankind. Look at the name of this religion; it is from Silm and salaam. Islam, is by its definition total submission to the "WILL" of God.

It is not coined out of a man's name.
It is not coined out of a tribe's name.
It has no man made "god".
There are many pointers that I can provide. I am sure you already know. Please read the Qur'aan and study the life history of the last Messenger and Prophet (AS) of Islam.

They are created. So illness or disease is created or ordained. All of them can be cured, except the disease of death! lol.

@Cayon: « on: Today at 04:25:44 AM »  

17.    Being unable to deal with calamities, for instance crying and yelling     in funerals.

@babs

Re the above - are you saying its ok to cry silently but its haram to cry out loud at a funeral? (a sin or just a weakness? ).

The Messenger (AS) cried about the death of his favorite Uncle, the Lion, the leader of those who are killed in the path of their struggles for Allah. He cried not the boo hoo type of cry. But he cried for the soul that departed, and also in reflection of his own soul.

Only a soul that is bad and the heart that is evil and hard are devoid of showing proper emotion. But emotion must be moderate, and should not be exteme. The crying and emotional displayed should not be like the hired "undertakers" who will bring theatrics to their emotion. You will see people wailing, slapping their own faces, a sign of dishonoring the person crying. Women may be rolling on the floor, ground without any human decency, to the point that they are exposing what are supposed to be covered. I have seen people pulling at their own hair. All of these are unnecessary, since none of it will change the situation.

Ok, this is my personal story - I am a Christian and Christians cry at funerals.  However, because I don't cry and show emotions my mother thinks I am heartless like my father.  And i think heartless is a very strong word.

You should become muslim and bring your mother along. A bleeding heart does not necessarily mean that the leak is exterior. Just because you are not the boo hoo throwing yourself on the floor kinda woman does not mean that your heart is hard.

Before:

I never cry in public and a lot of times in private either.  If i do cry in private - its not the boo hoo crying, its the cuddle in bed watery eyes crying.

I do cry boo hoo in the public, when there are topics of Islam discussed. These topics are very emotional. For instance, the suffering of the Parsian companion known as Salman Al Farsi, into Islam is very emotional. How this man from the lap of islam, journeyed out of "fire worship" to Christianity and then finally, to Islam. Please read it. Do a research on this man. Now thats a good cry. Unlike the one about death. This cry about the true religion brings softness of heart and purity of soul.

One time my father screamed at me and I cried (tears ran down my cheek).  He did not apologized but said crying was a weakness and i am not to show weakness.  My brother by father side said the same thing.  Even an ex-coworker (Palestinian) said "i hate to see people cry"

Crying is not waekness. Shyness is not weakness or meekness, either. Cats are shy only for an instant, before the "liony" preditor quality comes out, when necessary. And the palestinian guy should not be a yardstick of how Islam is, when it comes to crying or not. Muhammad (AS) set the measurement, among human, by the instructions of his Lord, Allah the Almighty Creator.

Present

Now, i can't cry at funerals or anything that rightly deserves an emotion.  Last Monday i cried internally, meaning i felt extreme emotions but no tears/watery eyes.

I do cry. Even when I hear my mother's voice. But everything has a limit. When you cry because a person dies, it should be because you pity the soul of the dead and reflecting on your own, maybe it is not good enough for Paradise, yet. But it should not be because you are thinking that the worldly duty of that person can not be replaced or done by someone else! In this sense, you are actually limiting the power of Allah, doubting what the future may hold.

it bothers me because I want to cry but I can't.  I feel bad because i think a child should be able to cry (death)for his/her father.  Maybe i am afraid to cry because i don't want to be known as weak and i want to be strong for my father.

Did you lose your father, already? I am sorry about that. A young child should be able to cry, and show emotion. Even in a stronger dispaly than adult. Somebody over 40 years should not show the same emotion. While a child may think that there is no solution, a fully grown person, over 40 must know that Allah may use him/her as the solution for the Child's problem.

My other brother (same mother/father) just don't care our father is dead.  Then my mother always saying "why can't yoiu be like your brother and that I am "heartless" like my father.  You kidding me?? - heartless because i don't show emotions.  Saying that, I always try to do the opposite of my mom teachings just to hurt my moms feelings.

Good night and Good luck

If your brother does not care if your father is dead, he must not be showing any "great emotion." How then can your mother classifies you to be "heartless and different from your brother", who did not cry a "spit" in this case? I still my father who died in 1966. The only reason that I miss him now is the religiousity. He was a very religious (ra). But I have moved on. So when I prostrate my face, I pray for him and my grand mother and his parents. My mother's father was a Christian. Now, I am happy that my mother is muslim. I can pray for her soul, when she dies. But I want her to be alive for another 20 years so that she can see many of my children's children. And me, making some new babies.

@Huxley: « #30 on: November 20, 2008, 06:13 PM »

Expert,

are you demented or what? What kind of post is this you are posting? Who do you think will read such rubbish?

I wonder if you have enough gut to read anything through? Get reading man. Expert is trying to educate your ignorant mind about what you know not!


@mazaje: « #31 on: November 20, 2008, 06:17 PM »

he is a slave of allah. . .

I am sure that Expert relishes that Title, because I do. But you; a slave of the world! Who is better? The world will perish while Allah will remain.

@Deepzone: You understanding of Jesus, is false. You can only find that understanding which you have in the Christian Bible. No place else. You will not find it in Jewish Bible, abi? If you find it in Torah, name your price. I will come to Maryland to give you your winning? Or you will come to the Big City, the place of glamour and neon lights, the Big Apple? lol. I know that you have never been to NYC, before.

@reindeer: lol.
Ticked off? Hardly. It takes more than a small pillet to get under my skin. The skin is thicker than that of grown Elephant. What you you fellas have been thrown so far are small pebbles. Except that you wrap them in deceitful mantra. "Talk truth sometimes, oh boys."

I never have said America is less than a "good place." Where you got your "great satan," beats me. Interestingly, what would you call indigenous american muslims; great satans or small satans? That is not we know american to be. We Muslims around to world are not homogenous in our thoughts. Some people mix cultural sentiments with Islam and come up with their our own "islam." Some bring humongous anger based on their understanding of "outside world" into Islam. They come out with something other than the islam of Muhammad (AS) and that of his companions (RA) and the 2 following generations (ra).

I see Islam as a balance, separate from two extremes; The two extremes are the over dramatising and under valueing of God and Worship and relationship within oneself, and others and nature as a whole.

The Jews senticized God as a "Tribal God," thereby excluding others. The Christians cheapened God to a point that they make Him to a "human" meaning support of another "god who is not human," and yet there is still another third part who got a woman pregnant by "overshadowing her," so that the "human god" can come to being.

These two groups, known as the people of the "Books," are extreme groups. Islam is the medium, the moderation; We do not make The God into only Muslim God alone. But The God of all. Believers, not believers, and even those who deny His existence are all under His Lordship.

Where is my "being ticked off?" Even if I live in Nigeria. Within the Yoruba tribe which I belong, you may even deny my right to speak my mind. (Otito koro o. Omo araye ofee. Befe befe o. hen, Jen wi temi).

@reindeer; Huxley is just a name. Probably an ID of a machine, and not of human. My proof; No one I know can prove that the thing we on Nairaland take to be "Huxley," is anything more than a computer. Remember that Computer can be programmed to write a response these days, in a particular manner. The manner which "Huxley" have be responding is just in a single plane; always arguing that there is no HIgher Authority.

Yet, in the case of muhammad (AS), there are people around the world, who are called "Shariifun (I hope thats the correct spelling of the people from the descendants of the children of Fatimas marriage to Ali. By the way King Abdallah Hussaine father, the late King of Jordan prided himself as an Ashimi, a descendant of Prophet Muhammad (AS))."

Sheriff is a descendant from the line of Fatima and her marriage to her father's cousin, Ali bin Abi Talib! To proof that Muhammad (AS) did not exist, is to argue that the the Ashimi clan of the Tribe of Quraish in Makka never existed. And further to proof that Makka and then Yatrib which became Madina never existed.

Further you will have to proof that there is no town in Arabia Saudia known as Taif, and there was nothing called the sacking of the Jewish tribes of ancient Madina to Kaibah!

Huxley, reindeer the sidekick, et al, is any of these possible? Perhaps, you are the anomalies in this matter. Now, knock yourselves silly. I will return to read your weak argument, men. I am forcing myself to call you that, because I do not want to be rude. Your case reminded me of a man who was so evil that when people mention his name, no one wants to say Mr.!

@Reindeer; If I proof to you that Christians have killed some people in the past by beheading them, boiling them in hot liquid, putting them in spiked cage, impaling them on a stick, and many more grusome method, will you also agree that Christianity is not from God?

We already know your opinion about Judaism, Hinduism and other "isms," plus atheism and agnosticism. For if you thought anyone of them is of "God," unless you are still "SEARCHING" or in denial, then you will not be a "Christian".

I will wait to hear from you, REINDEER. Santa Clause is riding his "sledge" on Reindeer. If Santa Clause is only a Fairy tale, then I wonder about many things Santa Clause is affiliated to!

Oh boy. You are in for a rude awakening.

Was Jesus an El Greco; that is Greek? Or was the Primary laguage of Jesus people Greek? Or were Israel and Judea under the rule of Greek nation, in the time of Jesus, hence the speaking of Greek as a means of the people communication amng themselves?

Who was King Herod; a Greek? Of course I do not have to have the Book that Jesus' associates wrote of the words of Jesus to know that it was not in Greek! None of them was Greek! I wonder why a Yoruba man in Yorubaland deliverying a message to the Yorubas, should be doing it other than in Yoruba and not in bambara of Mali! Why would a Yoruba man writing it down in Bambara, other than in Yoruba language.

These are your problems to solve, Longman83! lol.

@KunleOshob: #2 on: Today at 05:01:56 PM »

@Olabowale
your response is noted. but why can't you help starting debates aout who Jesus is? Why are you so obessed with him yet you don't believe his Gospel?

I am obsessed with every prophet and or Messenger (AS Jamia). If you thought am obsessed with Jesus, then you will be shocked about my obsession with Muahmmad. Now thats obsession, because he was the one who spoke candidly and truthfully among other things about all previous prophets and or messengers, including Jesus!



[quote]Well this post was made to allow people who profess the christian faith reflect on their lives and examine if they are living a christ like life, the facts of the story don't really matter, it is the moral of the story that is important. As for the angle of your response all i can say is that it is pathetic

My disagreement with you you will make me look pathetc to you. You can then Imagine how you look to me since you disagree with me.

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Morpheus24: Kolomentality they happen for Europe. Mostly to Christians.

I no dey for Europe and I no be Christian man. lol. Don't get me started on yabbis.

Er Longman83 check out the fact that you dont know what Jesus said exactly in his original statement. It was in the language of his mother tongue. It isnt Roman, Greek, English, but a sematic language.

Check out for me that "it may have been lost in translation," what Jesus said, in Mary his mother's language, as the "Bible inspired writers were writing it in Greek." lol.

It reminds me of a movie titled "lost in translation."

Pritypeety: lol.

Jesus on the other hand was God made in flesh that only came to dwell among men during his life time and after his ascention was when he said he would come back to pick his people home.

The action "made," would definitely disqualify him as the "Maker!" The Maker, Who is The Only True God, can not be MADE. Jesus was made (at least by your account into Flesh, so that he can dwell among man. But The True God does not have to dwell among His Creations). The fact that The True God is not made, because there should not be a maker for Him, since He makes everything, and that He Lords Over everyone, there is no need for Him to dwell among us, in our earthly realm. Have you ever seen a King dwelling in the Slums, or even with ordinary citizens, before he can excercise his Kingly responsibilities over them? Yet Kings are part of the creations, like you and me and oh, the atheists and agnostics. And all of us, including the Kings still need The True God for all of our sustenances. No one can do without what God proves: air, Oxygen, etc, water, the vegetations and flesh.


Its ironic that Jesus did not tell anyone in all the time in his earthly ministry, about his second coming according to your writing, above. But he left to heaven first, according to you, before he told people on earth. Why would he have to go to heaven first before he did so? Is it because, the One who has the Power to get him body and soul to heaven was the One in control, rather than Jesus? It will assumed that Jesus like all the other prophets and messengers before him, did not have complete knowledge, and definitely not everything about the future. This was the reason Jesus did not know and did not give the info about his second coming while stil on earth. The same inabsolute knowledge he displayed when asked about the time of the Hour. No wonder he prayed, begged to be saved from death at the Garden of Geshemane.

This is a fun read: a completely blind girl manning a fruit stand in Chicago: O'Hare Airport!
No security personnels and people to shame those Sales persons, who are probably fathers
themselves, to stop and do the right thing with this "blind poor girl," whom I am sure was grieved.

They were so late in today's post-911 world that they did not care, but with a single mind to catch the
flight so that they can make dinner with their "wives," except the one who was dubbed "Jesus," cared.

Good read with some subtle moral message. Thats about it. The rest of it is falacy, because Chicagoans, rather
American Salesmen are not like that. At least not in the public, with a blind girl at a fruit stand, in O'Hare Chicago Airport.

Are you Jesus is a catchy phrase. Its impossible for any human being, living today to be Jesus. He was a Messenger, a Prophet, an elect of God. Thre were many like that before him. And there was only one after him. None after that. We can hope to have from his and others in this noble club's quality. We can never be exactly like anyone of them there were about 124,000 prophets and Messengers/prophets, in history. None of them is alive anymore. Are you Jesus? The answer is no. No one can be Jesus, or Muhammad, or Musa, or Ibrahim or Nuh (AS). We can only hope to emulate their qualities.

Madhatter! I wish I could call police on you. As Obasanyo did on Fela during the kalakuta republic era. But I am only a "SLAVE" of Allah.

Just like all the other Messengers and or Prophets, Muhammad (AS) is dead because he delivered his perfect mission very perfectly. He as a sign of end of time were of manifold;

As the midway between Adam time and the end of man's time on earth.
As the carrier and deliverer of the most important message of all to mankind; the last and finally completed message of guidance.
As the balance in a natural to human nature in the worship of Allah. The heart of man can take his process of worship; It eliminates the harshness of kill all without mercy that the Children of Israel, that was practiced before Jesus. It also eliminated the fakery of the impossible "turn the other cheek" mantra that was the other extreme. I am sure, you deepzone, it I were to strike your cheek (even though I will not strike a woman, including your type of personality; lol), you will not turn the other cheek so willing ly. Abi? Yet, tou are the first to cry when you see any killing. (Iya Osun, orilekingdom).

Allah through Muhammad (AS) tamed the worst kind of hard hearted tribes, the Arabs, cousins of the nations of Isreal, (both are still the worst kind of hard hearted people on earth, when push comes to shove). They the arabs then assumed the original role of the Children nations of Israel, while the bloodline of Ibrahim was through this arabs is still the line to propagate the oneness of God and His worship.

Muhammad acted as the inclusive and universal messenger/prophet, with all the many companions coming from other races; black africans, white European, Persian Asians, and others. We will recall that all the core followers of the companionship of Musa and then Isa (AS to both and all messengers and or prophets) were children of Israel. Nuh (as) even had only local companions who were saved with him in the ship/ark!

Muahmmad was shown that from the last two verses or so of Tauba (Chapter 9) that not only was he a messenger/prophet, but was terribly concern for mankind, hence wishes Allah's guidance for all, being therefor a means of mercy and forgiveness.

I can give you more reason that it not nessary that he will not comeback, until all men are being raised up, in recreation as adults to stand up for Judgement. But the most important, is that he had tasted death, while Jesus had not tasted it. Proof, there are many among men who are reported to have died or having experienced near-death. Do you truly believer that if these people ever died and came back, while many are not Christian, what would conclude from it; they are also in the same category as Jesus, or they allucinated, or at least those who said they are dead missed a vital sign that pointed out to the contrary? Aftrall, no one said that Jesus went to regurmortis, since no one checked up on him, to know if he was alive and or only in a coma, for just a short time only.

And the famous expression that one only lives once, will simple means death occurs one and only at the end of life.And coward dies many times (at least one) before his/her death! (Thats Will-i-am Shakespear; aint it; lol).

@manmustwac: « #20 on: Today at 01:14:47 AM »
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@Manmustwac: England seem to warp the thinking of almost all of you africans on nairaland. Most of you are now atheist or agnostics.
olabowale i hail from delta state but i grew up here and have been an atheist since i was 14 years old[/quote]I never denied your Nigerianness. Read my statement above, again. I think thats your problem: You make rash decisions. You seem not to exibit the inkling of a leader. You seem to be "whereever direction the wind blows." How on earth a 14 year old could know that there is no God beats me!

When I was 14, I knew that there is The God who kept my family and I, from many terrible conditions. And I also grew up in Nigeria. Our upbringing couldn't have been so much different, regardless of the generational gap.


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If i wanted to learn how to cook correct pounded yam with egusi soup i would buy a cook book, if i wanted to learn how to speak french i would buy a french language book but how can me reading Surah Iklas? or The Quran for that matter prove that God exists? Reading books dosen't provide physical evidence.[/quote]I was respecting you before you began to show inconsistencies. If you will learn about cooking from how to cook book, and about speaking french, from how to speak french language book, is it not logical, to follow the same pattern about Learning about existence of God from Book of Religious Guidance from The God; The Qur'aan, which was given to His Human Messenger Prophet, Muhammad (AS), since you are also a Human being?

Shouldn't you read about The God from the Book that is the Authority to inform you, and adopt the saying and the manners and ways of life of the Messenger Prophet the God commissioned to give you the said guidance?

@Huxley: You and others, atheist, agnostic, etc, doubt the existence of Allah (The God, who by this definition indicates that He is not just a man made or anything like that. But a certainty that He exist with a certainty of name, descriptions).
It is no surprise that a certain group of people who are used to touch, sound, smell, sight, etc, will doubt the existence of the Messenger and Prophet of Allah.

If you could doubt The Creator, then many like you, regardless of what they say they are, in their religious precept will easily doubt Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Musa, Isa, etc and definitely Muhammad. If you doubt a single prophet or Messenger, you have doubted all of the others you believe in, too. This is why Islam proclaims that the "people of the Books," are disbelievers!

In your other thread, "Want to know who God is?, I posted a text, and below is an excerpt from it, of a muslim scholar's opinion about rational argument of theologians, who are doubting the existence of Allah. It is no surprise that the German theologian who is doubting the existence of Muhammad have failed to actually realise that the Arabs never would have dug a grave for a man, unless the man existed prior to being dead and buried.


Finally, Muhammad in an ahadith narrated by a companion, also quoted below talked back then, about people will argue about the existence of Allah. Is this his prediction in an ahadith, over 1400 years ago, not a clear proof of his "futuristic knowledge," and that he existed back then? The Qur'aan and Hadith/Sunnah speak about what are happening nowadays, what will happen in the future till end of time, and what happened before man, our generation and after man.

If you can dispute any of these, why dont you and others like you just point to it. I remember in this past US Presidential campaign, that Mrs. Sarah Palin did not know that Africa is a continent. The possibility of this was so remote. But his foes within her assigned handler were too quick to latch on to this certain slip of tongue in a by the way conversation.

The fact that the German Professor claims Islam, but holds this view are truly opposing ideas. He could never be a true Muslim. Just like the nation of Islam who do not make salah, or fast and their giving charity is not Islamic based, could never be called true Muslims. We see them even going to their "TEMPLES" at odd hours and time, and its centered around Sundays, like the Christians.



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Rational and logical proofs of the attributes of Allah, exalted be He.

Theologians like to prove the attributes of Allah (SWT), using rational arguments and logical analogies. We see no harm in that approach because the mind is the repository of knowledge, and because sanity is a precondition for responsibility. This approach may help to remove any trace of confusion or falsehood from the mind of those who are confused or misguided.

However, the existence of Allah and affirming His attributes of absolute Perfection have become self evident and hardly need any proof or argument. Only someone who is arrogant or with a diseased heart, would demand evidence for those self-evident truths. He may not even be satisfied with rational evidence. In spite of that, I am going to mention some general and specific rational proofs for the sake of completeness relating to what has been mentioned.

First proof

Our universe, which is so vast and intricate, points to the existence of its Creator, His greatness and Perfection.
Second proof

You cannot give what you do not have. If the Creator of this universe were not characterised by Perfection, how then can His creatures have in them the traces of those attributes of perfection.
Third proof

This has to do with the fact that the Creator is One and cannot possibly be more than one. This is because multiplicity of creators would be a cause of discord and chaos and one of them will have to be an overlord to the others since an essential quality of being God is to be majestic and great. Furthermore, if one of the Creators acted on his own, this would cancel out the divine attributes of the others, and if they joined together in action, this would do away with some of the attributes of each of them; and the annulment of the attributes of divinity contravenes its Majesty and Greatness. Thus there has to be One God and no other Lord.

These are examples of logical proofs of the existence of the Creator and His attributes. Whoever wants more proofs can refer to longer works. However, this matter is firmly established in the innate nature (fitra) of pure souls and sound hearts.

‘for any to whom God giveth not light, there is no light!’

(Surat-an-Nur (24), ayah 40)

A question which puzzles many people

It was narrated in a Hadeeth by Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be with him, said:

‘Some people will keep asking questions until they ask: ‘Allah created the creation but who created Allah?’ Whoever is asked this question, let him (simply) say ‘I believe in Allah’.’ (Narrated by Muslim)

(Imam Mazrewy commented on this Hadeeth and said that the Prophet, seems to be enjoining Muslims to refrain from trying to respond to such questions about Allah. However, Imam Mazrewy explained, such questions are of two types: those which are not troubling the mind and did not arise because of some misconception. Those can simply be ignored. It seems that the above mentioned Hadeeth is referring to this type of questions which are referred to as waswasah (whisperings of Satan). Since they are not persistently occurring to the mind, they can be set aside without consideration of evidence, because there is no benefit in dwelling on them. As to the persistent questions which arise as a result of some misconception, they can be tackled only with arguments and evidence. Wallahu a’lam (And Allah knows best))

This question is wrong in the first place because we have been commanded by the Prophet, may the peace and blessing of Allah be with Him, not to ponder over the essence of Allah (SWT), because our weak minds are incapable of conceiving the true nature even of themselves. So how can they possibly understand the true nature of Allah (SWT).

I support a free discusion of Islam or any other religion. Such discussion must contain truthful Power Points. Even talking Points. All in all, whatever you say, even it it is critical must be the truth. Lies however wrapped in raw silk, is still a band of lies.

When a person says another person never existed, is that statement even enough, when we can see the grave site of the person in question? Can anybody say to me that my father never existed, when I saw him, left for Makka in '65/66 hajj, where he died on March 30, of 1966. May Allah forgive him and the muslims, both males and females who had passed.

To me the young professor should be given a platform to defend his statement. But it should be based on historic facts. If I said Fir'awn never existed. Or Adolf Hitler never existed. Or prior to chancellorship, there were no Czar or Kings or Royalties in Germany, will I be correct? But I did not witness any of them. In 200 years from now, no one will be alive to say that Hitler actually existed, except what will be read from books on WW2.

Should they, the people in the future then postulate that there was no Hitler? That will be disingenous! Thats what our Prof, from the Great German brain power is doing. And he will not change any mind, except the mind that doubted, all along.

Oh. I hear you, oh. Chrisbenogor. Now in your concorted and distorbed praising of yourself and Huxley, see what you call yourself and then Huxley, above!

I bet Akinzwa of Benin will be upset, if you call yourself even a crown wearing Chief, like Ojumu, Iyazere, etc, in his palace. I guess, my argument above was way over your head. So the best you could do is just to deny everything. Yet before, you had been quick to analyse everything else.

Orishi rishi, omo 9ja. Wayo man. Now it is you who have to take it easy because you could not evn convince yourself that there is no God, since you are madly calling yourself it, then Huxley.

If What brought things to life is termed the "Source of life," then it must be superior to things it brought to life, whereever and whichever things they have in common. It will be an antithesis, if what brought things to life, is in itself does not have a life. It will therefore not be superior, even not equal but inferior to, for example man, which by its share will came to live!

But if what brought us to life is superior to us, and we are a living being, then this superior being must be a superior living being. And since we have a limited time alive, then we would expect that the superior being should have a limitless time of life, actually, it should be eternal. Anything less than that will be unfitting to this only source of all things, a completely unique being, separate and different from all that came about from it, as the source.

If we see, then you will argue that the sight of this Source of life must be all encompassing, superior. If we hear, then its hearing must be all encomapssing. If we have intelligence, its intelligence must be unlimited, it should be an all knowing being. These and others are good values or functions that humans have that are beneficial to us. The only source of life should have them in a more superior and without a limited comprehension.

What are also signs of vunerability in man, eg, sleep, need of food for nourishments, etc, should not be part of what the Source of life should share. Infact, its superiority must include its being beyond and above these things of weaknesses.

If this source of life is Unique; by it being superior in all the things that it shares with the most advanced of all the things that came from it, (humans; being alive, sight, hearing, etc), and there must be somethings that it does not share with humans which truly gives the sign of it being separate, apart and unique from us (need of food, defication, etc).

All that man wants is to live for ever, or have eternal life, escape death. Man struggles to reach this goal. It will be a goal that man can never reach. The Source of life is the only entity that has this unique quality. He is not contrained by time, or any of the things that plague us, which therefore give insight to out limited abilities.

This source of life is Allah. Do you think that He being Eternally alive and Superior will not include being actually in existence?

@Huxley: « #10 on: Today at 01:33:46 AM »

olabowale ,

You say that the universe had a beginning in time. How long ago was that beginning?

Exactly at the time of its beginning. When Allah the Creator brought it to being. Your best science method, be it carbon dating or other advanced future method, will not be able to pinpoint the exact time and place in space that the universe was brought about, in its beginning. Or can it? This is one of those things that will be outside the scope of human knowledge.

If I may amuse you for a moment, if your idea is that a particle did exist and its internal and external activities brought about everything else, I am sure that you can not identify that very particle right now. Nor could you tell us without any doubt what was its make up, its position at the time it was alone and what exactly acted upon it to cause internal and external activities that brought about all these complex things that some are living while others are not, etc?

I am also sure you could not tell us if that first particle was a living matter or not. There are so many you don't know. So why don't you deal with what you know first: how did you truly came about? And why can't you prevent yourself from dying? Amuse me, Huxley. I want to laugh.




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Rationalizing is a dangerous way to prove the existance of god.

An argument against free-thinking.

You truly are a slave of Allah. Not a servant. A slave.

Thank you. I appreciate it. By the way, in my book a slave knows his humble position and accepts it, since he has no choice. I am happy being Allah's slave. Also His servant, too.

Now, who is your master? Just imagine yourself in the days of slave trade. Okay prior to the white Europeans/Americans/Arabs invasions of Africa, etc. The Coptic Egyptians, for example enslaved the Children of Israel. The Children of Israel did not have any choice in the matter. It was Allah who commissioned Musa (AS) to free them, in the long run from this long and excruciating bondage. My case is not that. I can keep all the monies of my labor and dispose them as I wish. The children of Israel did not have that freedom under the Coptic Fir'awn oppression.

This tells you that my slavery is not the same, with what you know and expect. My comes with full previleges, freedom and clear mind with the hope of altimate reward in Paradise for my full acceptance of my servitude.

Now where do you go from here, with your condition?

You couldn't attempt to answer them. So they became ridiculous and biased. Seun, Okare. Is this the same Seun. The " " of Ijebuland? Omo Obanta. I think. We de answer questions mi.

From the Qur'an; Face of Allah; chapter 2 verses 112 and272.
6 verse 52,
13 verse 22. And there are many other chapters and verses.


Other talks about His eyes which sees all.
His ears which hears all.



His knowledge which encompasses all.

And His stretched arms that covers all. If His Angel, eg Jibril was seen by Muhammad, do you not get it into your mind that such a being was created by an existing Creator, who surpasses everything?

For purposes of building confidence,
here is a short translated excerpt of Imam al-Ghazali's own writings about
this topic in his famous Ihya' al-`Ulum al-Din:


First Proof (Existence of Allah):

"It is a natural impulse that the intellect dictates that no thing which
has a beginning in time could be free of a preceding external cause
to have brought it into existence. And the universe has a beginning
in time and thus must necessarily need an external cause to have
brought it into existence.

As for our statement that something which had a start in time must
necessarily have a preceding external cause, it is obvious [that it is
true]. This is because every thing that starts in time has a specific
time [in which it becomes existent]. And rationally speaking, it is
possible for it to have come into existence before the specific time
it came into existence or after this specific time. Thus, its occurrence
being singled out for that specific time rather than a time before it
or after it necessarily points to Someone that chose [this time of
occurrence for it].

As for our statement that the universe had a beginning in time, its
proof is that the physical bodies of the universe must either be in
motion or stillness. And these two things [i.e. motion and stillness]
are created in time. And that [essence] which cannot be without
[attributes] which begin in time must also have a beginning in time.
But, in this above proof, we are making three claims:

The first claim is that physical essences must either be in motion
or in stillness. And this is known [to humans] by second nature
and necessarily. This fact does not require multi-step thinking and
thought. So, whoever can imagine a physical body which is not
moving or standing still [at the same time] is riding in ignorance and
away from the way of the intellect.

The second claim is that [the attributes of] motion and stillness have
beginnings in time. The proof for this is that one of these attributes
follows the other in time - one at a time. And this can be seen in all
physical essences, the ones we can see and the ones we cannot see.
So there is not a physical object in stillness except that the intellect
accepts that it can be in motion instead. And there is not a physical
object in motion except that the intellect accepts that it can stand still.
Thus, the attribute that came into existence [replacing the
other one] has a beginning in time for the fact that we saw it come
into existence. And the previous replaced attribute has a beginning
in time because its going out of existence has been seen. This is
because if the previous attribute never began in time, it could never
end in time as we will explain later when giving the proof for the
endlessness of the Creator High and Holy be He.

The third claim is that if an essence is described by attributes that
have beginnings in time, that essence must also have a beginning
in time. The proof for this is that if this were not true, every
occurrence [of motion or stillness] would have an occurrence
before it [which replaced it] without having any first ultimate
primary state. If that were true, than the number of occurrences
up to our present time would be infinite, And also the number
of rotations/revolutions that a celestial body has completed [up to
our time] has to be either odd or even. This is because, [if
the number of occurrences were infinite], they would be either
both odd and even or neither odd nor even; but these are two
mutually exclusive concepts [i.e. oddness and evenness] one of
which must [always] be true [for any number]. , And the
upshot of this is since the universe is described by attributes
that begin in time, it must also begin in time. Now if we know
that it had a beginning in time, then it is necessarily known that
it must have had a Creator to have brought it into existence."

Imam al-Ghazali continues:

Second Proof: (Allah's beginninglessness)
"The second fundamental principle is that Allah Most High never
had a beginning in time. He existed in pre-eternity without
His existence ever having a start. Rather, He is the first of
everything else and before every dead and living being.

The proof for this is that if He had a beginning in time, He would
also need someone to bring Him into existence. And His
creator would also need someone to bring him into existence.
And this would lead to an infinite regress. And all infinite regresses
never come up with anything. Or if we say that this regress ended
at an ultimate Creator, He then must have been the First One
[we were looking for]. And this First One is Whom we were seeking
and we could call Him the Creator of the universe,

References:
[IU: volume 1: page(s) 183-184: line(s) 5-23, 1-10:
{ihya', qawa`id al-`aqa'id, section 3, beginning of
explanation of ten fundamental principles of belief
in Allah}]
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I believe there are many methods by which one can come to the belief in the Creator / Allah swt. Rational thought is one of those methods and as a method it is supported by ayaat of the Qur'an.

The brothers from Hizb ut Tahrir are quite good in the explanation of this method which has also been explained by many of the Classical Ulema such as Imam al-Ghazali and others, I hope Enlightened, Abu Yusuf and others will comment regarding this.



The belief of a Muslim is summarised in the declaration of faith known as the kalimah (meaning: a word) and this is:

Laa ilaaha illAllaaha Muhammadur-Rasoolullaah

The meaning of this: 'There is nothing which has the right to be worshipped except Allaah (alone) and Muhammad is His Messenger."

Muslims believe that this Universe, by necessity, has a Creator. It is hard for a person's common sense to encompass that the Universe with all its order and regulation is a product of mere chance.

One of the scholars of Islaam, known as Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) once debated some atheists.

He asked them:

"What do you say about someone who tells you that he had seen a loaded ship without a captain and a crew amidst a strong storm, but sailing well towards a safe harbour [ thereby saving itself]? Do you intelligently accept this?"

They said: "Our reasoning cannot accept this".

Abu Haneefah then commented:

"If your reasoning does not accept the story of a ship without a leading crew, then how do you accept a whole universe with all its varied conditions and complex nature running without a Creator in full charge?"

So the atheists were dumbfounded and came to believe in Allaah.

Allaah says in the Qur'aan:

Verily, in the creation of the Heavens and the Earth, and in the alternation of the night and day, and the ships that sail through the sea with that which is of benefit to human-kind, and the rain which Allaah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He scatters therein, and in the changes in the direction of the winds, and the clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Aayaat (proofs, signs, evidences) for a people of understanding" [Baqarah 2:164]

Thus, Muslims believe in the existence of Allaah, that He is the Originator and Creator of the Universe. And it follows therefore, that Muslims hold that the universe and everything within it has a definite purpose.


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I believe the question about the proof that God exists, should in no way involve science in the answer. God is above science, knows all scientific facts, and can never be compared to science in any way.
Another thread here had a long discussion about this very topic. Aethiests were putting their scientific views across in a very knowledgable way. I think they completely miss the point, that is, that God is above all and sees all.

A question which puzzles many people

It was narrated in a Hadeeth by Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be with him, said:

‘Some people will keep asking questions until they ask: ‘Allah created the creation but who created Allah?’ Whoever is asked this question, let him (simply) say ‘I believe in Allah’.’ (Narrated by Muslim

Rationalizing is a dangerous way to prove the existance of god.

People often use rationlaization to prove the existance of god and at the same time we muslims also try to follow the same path which often leads to the wrong conclusion.

Allthough there is nothing wrong with it, the best way is to approach the way the Quran and the Sunnah has told us to do so.

As in the case of creation of the universe, acording to the big bang theory a certain "Force X", was responsible for the cause of it. And if you want to rationalize this argument you say this Force X must have come from some where. As muslims we know its because of the will of Allahu Subahana wata'la.
But when you say this froce x is from god then the argument continues in the form of where did god come from, and it continues to be " God was created by another God and that God was created by another God" and goes on an on. Ultimately we come to the conclusion that there must be a God in the beggining and he wasnt created but existed on his own. From here we can always prove that there is only one god exists which evidently is what Islam says.

But its never going to be as simple as mentioned. Because these sort of rationalized arguments can deviate to antoher form and you never come to an end.

The best way is the way of the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran it self is the proof of existance of Allah. So if a person wants any proof for the existance of God then the best guide is the Quran.

This does not mean rationlaizition is wrong but it often doesnt lead you to the correct conclusion.

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From: Al'Aqaa'id - The Islamic Creed

Rational and logical proofs of the attributes of Allah, exalted be He.

Theologians like to prove the attributes of Allah (SWT), using rational arguments and logical analogies. We see no harm in that approach because the mind is the repository of knowledge, and because sanity is a precondition for responsibility. This approach may help to remove any trace of confusion or falsehood from the mind of those who are confused or misguided. However, the existence of Allah and affirming His attributes of absolute Perfection have become self evident and hardly need any proof or argument. Only someone who is arrogant or with a diseased heart, would demand evidence for those self-evident truths. He may not even be satisfied with rational evidence. In spite of that, I am going to mention some general and specific rational proofs for the sake of completeness relating to what has been mentioned.
First proof

Our universe, which is so vast and intricate, points to the existence of its Creator, His greatness and Perfection.
Second proof

You cannot give what you do not have. If the Creator of this universe were not characterised by Perfection, how then can His creatures have in them the traces of those attributes of perfection.
Third proof

This has to do with the fact that the Creator is One and cannot possibly be more than one. This is because multiplicity of creators would be a cause of discord and chaos and one of them will have to be an overlord to the others since an essential quality of being God is to be majestic and great. Furthermore, if one of the Creators acted on his own, this would cancel out the divine attributes of the others, and if they joined together in action, this would do away with some of the attributes of each of them; and the annulment of the attributes of divinity contravenes its Majesty and Greatness. Thus there has to be One God and no other Lord.

These are examples of logical proofs of the existence of the Creator and His attributes. Whoever wants more proofs can refer to longer works. However, this matter is firmly established in the innate nature (fitra) of pure souls and sound hearts.

‘for any to whom God giveth not light, there is no light!’

(Surat-an-Nur (24), ayah 40)

A question which puzzles many people

It was narrated in a Hadeeth by Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be with him, said:

‘Some people will keep asking questions until they ask: ‘Allah created the creation but who created Allah?’ Whoever is asked this question, let him (simply) say ‘I believe in Allah’.’ (Narrated by Muslim)

(Imam Mazrewy commented on this Hadeeth and said that the Prophet, seems to be enjoining Muslims to refrain from trying to respond to such questions about Allah. However, Imam Mazrewy explained, such questions are of two types: those which are not troubling the mind and did not arise because of some misconception. Those can simply be ignored. It seems that the above mentioned Hadeeth is referring to this type of questions which are referred to as waswasah (whisperings of Satan). Since they are not persistently occurring to the mind, they can be set aside without consideration of evidence, because there is no benefit in dwelling on them. As to the persistent questions which arise as a result of some misconception, they can be tackled only with arguments and evidence. Wallahu a’lam (And Allah knows best))

This question is wrong in the first place because we have been commanded by the Prophet, may the peace and blessing of Allah be with Him, not to ponder over the essence of Allah (SWT), because our weak minds are incapable of conceiving the true nature even of themselves. So how can they possibly understand the true nature of Allah (SWT). However, this question comes to the minds of some people and I would like to explain the answer to them through an example which, God willing, will satisfy their questions.

I would say the following:

If you place a book on your desk and then go out of the room and come back a short while later and find that the book which you had left on the desk had been removed and placed in the drawer, you would in this situation, be firmly convinced that someone must have put it in the drawer, this is because you know very well that among the attributes of this book is that it cannot move by itself. Remember this point and let us now move to the next point.

If there is someone sitting on a chair in your office, and you go out and come back and find him sitting on the carpet, for example, you would not ask about the reason for his movement, and you would not believe that someone moved him from his earlier position, because you know that among the attributes of this person is that he can move by himself and that he does not need anyone to move him. Now bear this second point in mind and listen to what I am going to say next.

Human beings came into existence at a certain point in time, and we know that they do not come into existence by themselves, but they must have a Creator. From that we conclude that their Creator is Allah (SWT). Now since perfect divinity presupposes that the deity does not need any other but is necessarily self-sufficient, we conclude that Allah (SWT) exists by Himself and does not need anyone to create Him.

If you place the first two points next to what I have just said, the answer will become clear to you. This is as far as the human mind can go. I ask Allah to protect us from error for He is indeed Kind and Merciful.

Now I would like to quote to you some statements of some European scholars which support the existence of Allah (SWT) and acknowledge His perfect attributes, and Allah alone I trust to help me succeed in my endeavour.


Statements by physicists which support the existence of Allah and acknowledge His attributes.

We have stated earlier that this belief is innate in sound hearts and firmly established in pure minds. It is almost a self-evident fact supported by the outcome of the exercise of the mind, generation after generation. This is why European cosmologists and others have believed in it even though they didn’t learn about it from a religion. I shall move on to quote some of their testimonies, not by way of proving the truth of our faith, but in order to help strengthen it within souls and to silence those who would like to relinquish faith and who are deceiving themselves,

1) Descartes, the French philosopher, said ‘Even though I feel imperfection in myself, I feel at the same time there must be a Perfect Being and I find myself obliged to believe that this feeling was implanted in me by the Perfect Being which is characterised by all attributes of perfection, which is God.’

In this statement he is acknowledging his weakness and inadequacy and confirming his belief in the existence and perfection of Allah. He is acknowledging that his feelings and sensations are a gift from Allah and are part of the innate nature instilled in him by Allah:

‘the innate nature made by Allah in which He has made men’

(Surat-ar-Rum (30), ayah 30)

2) Isaac Newton, the well-known English physicist, who discovered the law of gravity said: ‘Don’t doubt the Creator, because it is inconceivable that accidents alone could be the controller of this universe.’

3) Herschel, the English astronomer, said: ‘The more knowledge we have, the more irrefutable proofs we obtain for the existence of an Eternal Creator with infinite power. Geologists, mathematicians, astronomers and biologists have co-operated in setting up the edifice of science which is the edifice of God’s greatness.’

4) Lenet was quoted by Camille Flamirion, the Frenchman, in his book titled ‘God in Nature’ as having said: ‘The wonders of God’s creation, the Everlasting, the Eternal, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, have astounded me: what power, what wisdom, what creativity in His creatures, small or large. The benefits which we get from these creatures testify to the greatness of the Mercy of God who made them subservient to us. Their perfection and harmony points to His vast Wisdom. Their preservation from extinction and their renewal bear witness to His Majesty and Greatness.’

5) Herbert Spencer, the English philosopher, said in this respect in his Essay on Education: ‘Doubtless, to the superstitions that pass under the name of religion, science is antagonistic; but not to the essential religion which superstitions merely hide. Doubtless, too, in much of the science that is prevalent, there is a pervading spirit of irreligion; but not in that true science which has passed beyond the superficial into the profound.

Devotion to science is a tacit worship - a tacit recognition of worth in the things studied; by implication in their Cause. It is not a mere lip-homage, but a homage expressed in actions - not a mere professed respect, but a respect proved by the sacrifice, thought, and labour.

Not by dogmatic assertion, does it teach the impossibility of comprehending the Ultimate Cause of things; but it leads us clearly to recognise this impossibility by bringing us in every direction to the boundaries we cannot cross. It realises to us in a way which nothing else can, the insignificance of human intelligence in the face of that which transcends human intelligence.’

He then goes on to give examples to explain what he meant:

‘A scientist who sees a drop of water and knows that it is made up of oxygen and hydrogen in certain proportions, in such a way that if these proportions change, we would have something other than water, believes in the Greatness, the Power, the vast Wisdom and Knowledge of the Creator more strongly and firmly than a non-biologist who sees it only as a drop of water. Similarly, a scientist who looks at a hailstone under a microscope and sees the beauty of its design and the magnificence of its composition, no doubt feels the Beauty of the Creator and the His vast Wisdom more strongly than does someone who knows nothing about it more than that it is frozen rain.’

The statements of cosmologists in this regard are innumerable ,and what we have mentioned should suffice. We have cited those statements so that our young people realise that their religion is from Allah (SWT) and that science can only strengthen and support their faith.

Allah, the Exalted, says in the Holy Qur’an:

'Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?’

(Surat-Fussilat (41), ayah 53