lexy2014:


Am not saying Nigerians should stop paying tax cos of corruption. I was only responding 2 ur assertion that what is in govt coffers isn't enough 4 govt 2 provide social services. D problem has never been whether Nigerians pay tax or not. its about what has been done with d tax. Nigerians are some of d most taxed population in d world yet we are grossly shortchanged by those in govt. Where u live its easy 2 associate tax with development but not in this part of d world.

Actually we pay far less in tax in Nigeria. I pay 30% in tax here.

Bizibi:
Lagosians should be thankful of the hood works fashola did Infact it would have been better if fashola was the gov from 1999-2006.

Tinubu!! No need explaining that kleptomaniac during his time,Lagos was a dump site in that man's era.

Tinubu first tenure was massive looting with Ghana must go. Military regimes cost so much havoc to our economy and our psyche.

I am very optimistic about the prosperity of Lagos if we continue with the crop of leaders like Fashola and Ambode.

lexy2014:
u live in a society where there's accountability. Its not d same in Lagos and by extension Nigeria

We cannot because of that fold our arms, we will get there someday.
We continue to pay and push for accountability.

Gucciboss:


First, Corruption is endemic in state government, even local government too. Infact state is worst because Nigerians tend to focus more on FG.

Secondly, people pay tax. Infact people pay double tax in Lagos. Don't let them deceive you. If the money is not reflected on the state purse, the government should be the one to tell themselves the truth.

Sometimes I find it funny when people say say 1 trillion to 24m people. Let's just break this down. Are they going to build free house to all the inhabitants of Lagos? Are they going to pay all the inhabitants of Lagos allowance? Are they providing power to the inhabitants of Lagos? Do they distribute free food to the people? Why do you think a trillion naira is little? All works can be measured? Let them tell us how many kilometers of roads that they have constructed with the last budget.
My brother with sincerity and accountability that 1 trillion can do wonders. Let them block all the loopholes instead of overtaxing the people.
Some state in Nigeria budgets as low as 100 billion per year
.

Alright I know your mind frame. One thing you should know is that cost of building any state hospital is lower than cost of maintenance and paying doctors and other staff, same thing goes for all the sectors. That 1 trillion is what we need for the running cost of paying staff, routine maintenance and other sundry.

Road maintenance is done here every year before winter.

Gucciboss:




Nigerian politicians from A to Z are as good as nothing. There is no point supporting someone who is performing below expectation.

So you believe that the citizens that lack the most basic necessities of life should keep paying clueless political class that are bereft of ideas? Do you know how much these political class waste everyday? Cost of construction by Nigerian government is highly inflated due to kickbacks and all those corrupt practices.

A state that budgets close to 1 trillion naira for almost 4 consecutive year now still has bad roads everywhere not to talk of dirts littering every nook and crany of the state.

Do you know how much all these Agberos that litter every 100 metres of the road collect on daily basis in Lagos?
Instead taxiing people to death why can't they streamline their revenue collection and improve on their accountability?

How much do you think they need to make a positive impact on the society? 50 trillion per year? Have you bothered to check the budget of emerging African countries like Rwanda, Tanzania etc? Yet they have been constantly improving their society.

As regards you claim of Lagos working now unlike 80s, you will be surprised to know that it is still the same group of persons since 80s that are still in power till today.

Since you believe that they are doing very well, I challenge you to relocate back to Nigeria.

Please let's call a spade a spade.

I do not speak at the federal level. Corruption is endemic at that level. 1 trillion Naira is nothing for 24m people because our economy is dependent on things we can only get with DOLLARS.

If we don’t want to pay our taxes in LAGOS then it will take around 25yrs to reach any sensible level of development. I have businesses in Lagos and I pay all taxes adequately because I live in a society that thrives on tax payers.

Gucciboss:
Where is that olaboy1 the Alausa boy? Thought you said development started in Lagos the day you were employed at Alausa by Tinubu?

You still don’t get it bruv. You can not compare the British infrastructural era to our 1960 independence era. All we had in 1960 were built by the colonial masters and that’s not my point of argument, I was talking about post colonial era starting from 1980.

Lagos was totally abandoned and I know this because I worked many years on the island before moving abroad.

I don’t live in Nigeria and I don’t know anyone in Alausa and so my posts are not conflict of interests. All I’m saying is last time I visited Nigeria there were about 4 major long roads in my local government with interlocking blocks and 2 more are been constructed as I write.

We need to support the government and not try to bring them down at every attempt or small mistake they make.

How much property tax do you think 100 duplexes on a street can pay to get good infrastructure.

We can do the maths together if you want and I will supply you an estimate on the cost of constructing 1km road.

XhosaNostra:


No. Swedes do that?

100%. You should move here. Swedes try as much as possible to avoid any human social contacts, they prefer to take a walk in the forest, they look at the door hole before going out so they don’t meet any neighbors. Sounds like your kind of personality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvFZULPiiuk

XhosaNostra:


Yeah, but I'm nothing like her. I can never put money above my own happiness. Never. Nothing is worth being in a miserable relationship for.

Are you Swedish? I asked because of your posts that you like to run away from people and spend time alone.

Princedapace:



Well, I don't think it is about rich or broke guys. In her last line, said, work hard and be rich and rich guys too will love u naturally!

She is trying to preach against the convent of being lazy and hope to find one maga to hammer on. That is so becoming of naija ladies

My gf whom I'm will be engaging next month, when she was in her early years in school, I asked her to think of any business she can do and I will sponsor it. But she refused. I send her monthly money for upkeep and take care of her other needs, including school needs. Now, I want ti start a business for her and send her to training institution which will cost me 100k alone for the training!

I used to tease her. Like baby, if I don't send u money for two months, will u still love me? The fact remains that up to this moment, I feel deep down that she is with me becus I do take good care of her! And I av this deep fear that she may not be strong enough to support me too in the future so I work extra hard sef.

Naija ladies need to learn to hustle and hope true love comes. It is becoming of em ladies here to see a rich guy as a prayer answered. We need to teach our next generation how to work and earn on their own.

Intelligent and hard working girls are rare compare to guys. Most girls here are mentally lazy and liability.

You sir have just written the reality on ground. I am still trying to understand why this is so.
I think Nigerian men are the root cause of this problem because we’ve made our women so lazy that they want everything to be served for them.
Nigerian women abroad don’t expect the guys to pay their bills and so they need to double the hustle.
Let your girl know you want to settle down with a lady that has entrepreneurial skills, and loan her 500k and see what she does with it in 6 months. If she can’t turn that money over, I think you should consider a new partner.

These Instagram millennials have no skills like hat making, bag making, home decor DIY etc, they always need a man to excite them and make them laugh 24/7 while still enjoying telemundo at the same time.

We need to put fire for dem “yansh”

adidison:


You sound like you benefit from inside all this, talking about major roads are motorable lol. Dude inside estates in Lag most roads are bad. Plus stop talking about civic duty in Nigeria that the govt don't do ishhh! Your talking about 0.75% in Europe, when was the last time you saw sand sand or dirt on your way to your property? Didn't you see parks? Proper well planned pedestrian routes? Please just stop!

Even if I don't pay somebody will pay. Oh yes!!! Let the senators and govt wife pay. It's their civic duty.

I don’t know of other states but Lagos has the potential to do more. I don’t benefit a kobo trust me.
The government should find ways to collect the money automatically from property owners bank accounts.

oruma19:
I still can't comprehend the essence of this payment. Lagos makes so much from all forms of taxes, crude oil revenue, ports revenue, etc. Y are they making life more difficult for the masses? Rentage will skyrocket and the people will suffer the more. Let all landlords force their tenants to get their PVC before 2019 else they should pack out. APC gvt is the worst thing to have happened to nigeria. Tufiakwa. Tinubu and ambode must leave lagos alone, they can't continue to grow Rich on the account of lagos and its people. Curse be upon these wicked APC and it's politicians...curse I say.

Lagos 2018 budget is 1.046trillion Naira. To make any significant progress we need around 2.5 trillion Naira. Your crude oil and Apapa port revenues are not enough.
More than 95% of people have not been paying property tax or tenement rate. A serious government is one trying to enforce policies, rules and regulations.

adidison:


Sometimes reason before you comment. Nigerians like awoof? Is it every landlord in Lagos that is going abroad on shopping spree? You still think this is even about landlords? Ordinary people, tenants are going to suffer this tax. Did they increase minimum wage? How much is the average salary in Lagos? Which infrastructure are they going to enjoying? Enjoy infrastructure on empty stomach?

When the landlords increase rent, tenants will pay few times but when there is no reasonable income, to pay becomes a problem so they will move out. In turn landlords won't be able to meet up with payments, this will contribute to so much problems in the state.

Note 0.255% annual property tax will not leave real estate investors in debt, and shouldn’t be used as an excuse to sky rocket rent.
All developed countries pay property tax and capital gain tax.
All the major roads in Lagos are motorable and that’s where your taxes go to. It’s fine if you don’t want to pay anything, just don’t complain when the roads go bad and nobody is fixing them. Your civic duty is to pay adequate taxes and even if you don’t benefit directly, someone else does.
I have a property in Europe and I pay 0.75% every year.

OBAGADAFFI:


You are wrong here, most developed countries done overvalue properties, because there are procedures for property valuation.

What some of you guys dont realize is that property value can drop in some areas due to certain factors.

It might interest you to know that properties in areas like Apapa has being experiencing drop value for the past 3 years.

Houses in NYC are overpriced and overvalued, what more do you want.

OBAGADAFFI:


Oga, most property in Lagos are overvalued.

Overvaluation is all over the major cities in the world. Property tax around Europe is 0.75%, so Lagos is a good deal.

Gucciboss:


It's like you just got a job at Alausa. Respect yourself oo.

So there was no development in Lagos before Tinubu. All the companies were built after Tinubu abi. All the banks headquarters were located in the Bush before your messiah came on board abi. There were no electric pole before Tinubu shey? Be very careful

Don’t let me school you about Lagos my friend. We are talking infrastructure you are talking Nepa poles and bank headquarters.

What were the conditions of all the roads in Marina before Tinubu second term?
Guy behave yourself.

duni04:

Oga you sound like an interested party in this.
Why has the current LASG refused to update the procurement website set up by Fashola since 2015. All procurement contracts awarded in Lagos today are shrouded in secrecy as there is no means for verification by the public. They want to increase the collection of our money through taxes and then decrease the transparency associated with the spending of our money.

I do not belong to any political party and many times I have advocated for a transparent system of governance. I have written several petitions to my local government council on how to operate a transparent system of governance.

I strongly support your argument on putting government contracts in public document that we all can access.
We need to keep pushing for this as it’s one of the major steps to curb corruption.

duni04:

Bros abeg no vex me this afternoon! Nigerians like awoof like how? What service is the Lagos state government rendering to home owners in Lagos to justify collecting Land use charge and property tax yearly? I'm paying Lawma fee and my street is piling with refuse. Im paying property tax and the road to my house is not motorable. Is this what obtains in other countries?

Development is a process, a step at a time. Past governments have neglected Lagos and the development in Lagos actually started during Bola Tinubu second term, the first term was used to pacify party faithfuls.

Ambode is doing a good job and if you are not biased you would see a big difference in the development of Lagos, the emergency service for example.

Development will get to you soonest and stop been paranoid and just pay your taxes and have trust in this administration.

At the end of the day people must pay if they want good infrastructure. 50% and 25% reduction is a good bargain.

Nigerians like Awoof too much. The property owners with their exorbitant rents will be the first to convert their Naira to dollar and go on shopping spree abroad buying expensive Balenciaga, Gucci etc with high tax.

But to pay tax at home na wahala.

Before you start criticizing the government, find out what’s causing the delay.
Lagos has moved beyond haphazard planning because so much lessons have been learnt in the awful masterplan of the city.
It’s about getting it righ at once and they need to first deal with the issue of congestion before bringing the shuttle buses on board.

Fighting corruption is a good thing, but any governments that can not provide at the minimum constant 8000MW of electricity in 4yrs is a failure to me.

We voted for leaders who did not fully demonstrate a road map of their vision during campaign.

We shall build 100 hospitals is nothing but mere words....tell us when, where and how do you intend to raise the funds.
Lambasting past governments is not getting us anywhere.

franchasng:
IGR from industries and businesses in Lagos is enough to fund all Lagos projects if the government is sincere and not being run by someone installed by a demigod who sees Lagos as his personal property.

Lagosians need to test another governor who is not endorsed by Tinubu to compare. Monopoly breeds corruption and negligence

Can you sum up the total annual generated fund of Lagos state for me, and I will show you real statistics how much a city of around 24m people should live on.

franchasng:
Scrap it!

Nigerians as a whole are not supposed to pay any form of tax to any Nigerian government; be it federal or state government, because Nigerians do not enjoy any benefit from the government.

What's the land use charge for All Lagosians should protest further until they scrap the whole land use charge cos its corruption and in fact it's a taboo!

No good roads!
No water supply!
No constant electricity!
No health relief or reliable govt. healthcare system
No good govt education system!
No social amenity for Nigerians!
No welfare package for poor and aged Nigerians!
No reliable security!
No housing scheme for the homeless and poor!
No good governance!

So what is the tax for For the ghosts ruling Nigeria or for who

Nigeria's crude oil revenue should be enough to make Nigeria a tax free nation for all Nigerians if we had sensible leaders

I just hope you will not be here complaining if you don’t get to see quality roads around your neighborhood. Crude oil is not enough to serve over 180m people.

Nothing new, buyers remorse at play.

dicefrost:


You make it sound like denmark owes the asylum seekers. They can wake up and not want refuges anymore. Believe me, the Europeans are not our problem. they are after their own survival, and would sacrifice anybody to achieve it. they owe us nothing. our problem is internal. leadership has failed us. Until we look inward and solve our problems, Africa ll always be the armpit of the world.

So asylum seekers from Nepal and Afghanistan should all be dumped in Africa?

We need to appreciate what we produce. Have you asked yourselves why Nigerians abroad prefer Nigerian indomie to foreign ones.
There are good Nigerian products, everything can’t just be loom and gloom.

#buynigeriangoods

Hahahaha

That’s how Europeans are, it’s in their DNA and they will never change from the rulership mentality of their fore fathers.
You see them donating money to Africa like they give a sh$t about us.

Denmark is currently trying to pass a law where they will have a facility or colony in North Africa to send their asylum seekers to and even when they are granted asylum they still can’t move to Denmark. Africa needs to wake up and use the social media to name and shame countries dragging us down. One wonders why Denmark is not considering Switzerland or Australia as the dumping ground of asylum seekers.

We need to learn how to maximize our resources and eat what we produce and forget about European aids, they think so lowly of Africans and we shouldn’t entrust our lives into their hands.

One day I believe Africa will rise.

shams040:


You get it wrong brother, he was just using the house rent as the basis of is revenue. He must have done some professional jobs that requires some effort and using that as analogy he's saying if he rent your car for 10 and he make 70 den that as a result of he's effort.

I didn’t get it wrong. My argument rests on asset, maintenance cost and devaluation and not labor. When you go to your bank to invest your money, bankers will categorize different assets and investments for you and you would quickly notice the dividends are not the same because investment bankers have done due diligence and factored in risks and rewards in preparing an index table, and have come to a conclusion no investments should ever be compared pro rata.

I have a forex manager handling some of my investments and there are classes of high dividends with high risk, and low dividends with low risk.
Uber cars fall in the high risk high reward (HRHR) and that’s why it pays more than treasury bill. Real estate fall below Uber cars in terms of high risk and high reward and juxtaposing them doesn’t make any economical sense.
The investment tool and assets determine the model to follow. You should take ECO 101.

nitigriti:


So on point sir!
Good analogy, I rent a 3 bedroom office apartment from my landlord for #1,200,000=00 a year, then set up my management consulting firm. Say CBN, Access Bank, Royal Exchange Group, Dangote PLC etc all give me consulting projects during the course of the year, leading me to turnover #100,000,000=00 in profit by the end of the year. Question - would that be a taboo? For me (driver) to earn more than my landlord (partner)? The excess cash flow generated, is it not a direct result of the hours of effort I put in?

Stop comparing real estate assets that appreciate in value astronomically to Uber cars that lose 50% of their values within 1yr.

jpworld:


Na wao, oga dynamic, tell USA car rental company to send cars to you nah. At least with their brand new cars nobody will look at the tokunbo we are offering.

Just two questions? you don enter flight go America
b4?

You don buy car put for Uber b4?

If u don do the 2, then quote me, with dynamic and peculiar, then I go listen to ur advice.

Don’t mind him. His argument does not hold water, at the end it borders on same old emotional argument. From the beginning of his dynamic post I knew he wanted to slander Nigerian investors who put 2m down comparing them with $30,000 cars. How many Uber cars are worth the $30,000 you just conjured apart from Uber X. Normal Uber car in the states is Toyota Prius and how much does that cost.
Nigerian investors are not rental companies like Avis, if drivers need that kind of rental then let them go to Avis and ask how much to rent a car per week.
Americans have credit scores and can walk into the bank to take a loan. Can you walk into any Nigerian banks to take a loan of 2m without collateral?
Unfortunately the dynamic of this job with the current set up and economic situation in the country does not make room for investors to take out pension, health care and promotion for the driver, and that’s still not enough for drivers to earn more than the investors.
If they need pension, health care and a better chance for educational growth then let them take up a driving job in a company and get 50k monthly and have all the time they need to do other things.
I spoke with a company driver in Nigeria and he said he gets around 67k every month, whilst some Uber drivers make twice as much monthly.
You can’t compare hotel and transport business, just like you can’t compare cassava and perm kernel business even though they are both from the agricultural sector.
When you introduce models that bring accountability to Nigerians, they are quick to jettison it because they want business as usual.
Same reason your politicians have passed anti gay law with 14yrs penalty, but are yet to pass 14yrs penalty for any financial crimes in the senate.

dru23:


Yes am in the states. And have been doing the business for 7months exact as of yesterday. The issue with parts, if you read my previous thread about elantra.
At the start parts were change. Same parts were change after less than few months. We change mechanic, than we change to a new manager. So far so good, also I decided to import the major parts that are needed in the car that will last longer.
I went on eBay, eBay is your friend o. I bought shocks for$100 both back and front. Ball joints, two scanner , stabiliser links. At a good price. Those items am putting it inside the booth of my next car. Disengage the booth , a friend of mine did the same thing and nothing happens to the stuff inside the car.
I am not worried about the value of the car . My landing cost is very OK. After year or more I sell the cars. Worse comes to worse. Instead of selling the car, I will reconditioned the car over and put it back on the road. Business is all about strategy and everyone has a method to their madness. You can't compare my method to some. I have advantage my cars are tokunbo and my landing cost is almost the cost of buying very good or Grade A Nigerian used cars.

Are the parts you buy on eBay OEM, aftermarket, used or Chinko?

julietromeo:
The solution to all these driver and partner issues is HIRE PURCHASE. investor should get a good corolla at range of 1.6 to 1.8m. Release it to a driver at 3m to be paid back in 18months. Investor would have his money back in a year and profit in the other 6months.
If the driver mess up, collect ur car na hin loose.
Soon it will be difficult for partners to see drivers driving their cars coz a serious driver should be able to get his own vehicle within two years of driving.

The narrative is everyone should get paid accordingly and it’s not my duty to make sure the driver is able to buy his own car in 2yrs, that’s up to his expenditure and saving culture.