I am at work. In as much as I would love to engage abuzola in intellectual discuss, I have just found out he probably dont know what he is doing. Not once has he answer my question but rather avoid them and call me stupid while he is the custodian of sunnah!

Inna lasiina kafaru, sawahun alaehim. Ansar tahum am lam tunsiruhum laa yu minuun. Atama llah allah kuluubihim, wa ala absu soorihim, . . Zummun bukumun humyun, wahum laa yarji huun!

Let me add that Innah lah laa yugayir maa biqaomin , . . . . Finish it if you are ahlu sunnah!

May God save those who listen to you from going astray!

@jarus,
Thanks for the contribution. You show class. If he is a true muslim, he will heed your words, if he is a cancerous stillborn baby, he will continues his antic. In that case, such baby should be thrown into Lagos lagoon with the birth water and the sponge!

The world need peace not war. Let us discuss issue not beating chest like Hulk Hogan.

@osisi,
I wish I can talk. I will talk to you elsewhere. This place is not where I belong.

weldone! I am a southerner and I am proud of my root. We educate our people so that they would not be brainwashed and half baked ignoramous like you. I once lived in the North so you cant tell me the every Northerner shares your disjointed creed. At the moment, I live with Hausas in the south. And my house is located where they are densely populated. You will mistake me to be a Northerner when You see me and when I start talking. It is sad that they allowed people like you to come to Lagos.

A mere fellower, laying claim to authority of sunnah is a dangerous element to his teacher and those around him. So what will I come to morkaz Agege road for when you are still learning? What will you teach me when I have been an Islamic teacher before? Though I have left that world because of people like you who will read radical hadith and corrupted texts and then start beating chest as if you are the authority of sunnah? I was into sufism for a year and half where I practiced extreme act of self sacrifice. Went on trance, stayed away all nights and also fast alot. It started as experiment before I was into it. I sees things that came to pass until a time I found out something that made me quit. After that, I made attempt at uniting muslim organisations through nacomyo. It failed because of people like you. I also helped form an islamic organisation whose activities were successful. It went under when we put people like you in charge of it and then relocated to the North. It is a sad reminder that people like you are still seen as muslims when in reality, you are spoilers.

I made my decision to avoid discusing public debate in religion after people like you continue to destroy Islamic image. You wage needless war and attacks innocent people.

Islam is peace, but you talk of anhilating those who dont agree with you. Islam is forgiving but you continue to habour grudge against your fellow muslims. Islam is kind but you are quick at taking up swords to kill the infidels and call muslims stupid. Islam want us educated but you deprieve your people of knowledges that will make them see through your deceiption. How I wish the money being earmarked on destructive mission are used to alleviate poverty that is ravaging the North. You think southerners are not true muslims but you take sanctuary in their lands while you destroys their homes in your land! Why not stay in the North where you are free to mix with those who agree with you and live your life peacefully instead of trying to force your disjointed creeds at our throats?

I live at Jamaat Nasri Islam quarter in the North, I did not found any one as toxic as you throughout my stay there! And yet, you are just a student. What will happen when you become a scholar?

It just mean I would come down to waste my valuable time on you! What a shame!

FYI, I was school at morkaz when Baba Adam was still alive. I didnt finish my program before going on for my tertiary education. I am so glad I took that decision. And I remember the alfas telling me I will make a great cleric if I can just stay in the system. One sheikh told me I was destined to inspired others and must remain focus. But my idea of touching life isnt in religion fanatism. I already touched lives positively and would do so in other way. But not in your way!

Make no mistake about it, you need deliverance fast.

@abuzola,
Thank you for thinking of me as a stupid person. I am sure you know how being stupid is hence your ability to recognize the stupidity in me.

What is more, you said I may be mukina using another Id! What a manifestation of mental cancer! You are are surely going too far by bringing mukina to my issue. If you are that intelligent, you should have click my signature where my blog is and then tell me if I am mukina (or you may even call me davidylan!).

I am real. My full names are Isqil Najim. Google it and find out my pix online. You are just showing us that you enjoy chasing shadow.

I have challenged you to invite me to you dawah camp even if it is yola. Let me come and see how many fellowers you have and what positive impact you are making on them.

Instead of discussing how to alleviate poverty among the vast majority of muslims, you are glued to how sultan is a deciever.(I earlier asked you why you followed his directive when you sighted the moon). You are busy at making plan on how to exterminate enemies of Allah instead of curing your mental cancer, which is curable! You are busy attacking every muslims that didnt agree with your creed. It is unfortunate people like you are allowed to roam the street without a guide. Thank God, you are not a teacher.

Meanwhile there are many who know I am not mukina or davidylan. Uncle olabowale know that, just as others I wont mention, including seun. You may continues to delude yourself and read mukina in every post I make.

Dont forget the Afghanistan option. We will open an appeal fund for you if you are ready to take it! Keep it up!

@jarus,
I will have loved that you address the issue I want abuzola to focus on. You just listed some of his misdeeds which in my own understanding are virtue of kafir! I opened a thread to challenge abuzola claim to faith. It how he respond to that thread, if he ever do that will make him determine whether he is a muslim or mussailama al kazaab of our time.

You knew something about me, I dont frequent religion section for personal reasons. I dont like discussing religion in public. But I am not pleased with how you indulge hypocrites simply because they laid claim to being muslims.

I remember my old man telling me that hypocrite will enter paradise. We are all stunned. He then went on to read the verse of quran that explain the punishment awaithng hypocrites. They are worse than kafir! That is why people like abuzola should not try to compare themselves to christains.

My old man ended his sermon by telling me that there is a paradise at the bottom of hell where hypocrites will dwell!

As much as I know abuzola wanted to propagate islam, he is no better than the kafir if he continues to attack everyone that is showing him light. He is like someone using gasoline to extinguish flame. What a manner of good intention from an ignoramous!

Did you know that Allah never take it kindly to muslims attacking muslims? Is there any part of quran that ask us to exterminate people who doesnt accept our creeds?

On davidylan, you are wrong to approave of abuzola calling him and others kafir that will burn in hell fire. I will never subscribe to that thinking however beautifully it is presented.

David and co are not muslims. And sometimes they brought up real issues that if properly addressed would have made them reason with you. At any rate, didnt Allah asked u to ignore them? Why share issue with them when you could easily silence them?

I have seen davidylan in action before. He tried to attack me when he found out I am a muslim. He merely said I should stay at romance and family section. He had never attacked me directly and we have never had direct contact outside nairaland.

What it means is that, with right attitude, you can disagree with others without resorting to personal attack. The same with osisi and a few hardline christains I have debated with most of who are not here. Why was I spared the abuzola treatments when I am not even there friends!

Meditate on it!

When I set out on a task, I like to complete it. And I make bold to say, base on what you said of abuzola and based on the manner he has been insulting me, he is not worth being defended. His acts are worse if not equal to the people he is fighting. Take a moment and re-read my posts again and then correlate them with his replies. Tell me whether those replies are from sane mind or not. Judge with evidence you have!

Lastly, rather than condemn davidylan and co, we should embrace them! That is my philosophy. You are in a better position to change others by leading by example. Who in the world will walk up to abuzola and declare kalima under his present state of mind? He is hurting Islam more than anything else. Let him learn decorium and manner so that others can be attracted to his creed. In my eyes, and from my knowledge of Islam, he is not worth being call a muslim. He is a legal muslim.

Finally, read the story of Umar bin khattab and others of his kind. Tell me that enemies of Islam has no hope in Islam or that they cant turn around to become a blessing to Islam. At any rate, I NEVER BELIEVE IN MY MIND THAT CHRISTAINS ARE ENEMIES OF ISLAM. I never shall!

@nezan.
People like abuzola are suffering from cancer of the mind. Unfortunately, the cancer is a communicable one. Unless he is discouraged he will continue to destroy the good image of Islam and will also continue his hatred campaign against non muslims. All these are not from Islam.

Look all around you. Good people, good muslims are no more posting on Islam board. They just read and shake their heads at the manner he is talking. Again, he alone contributed to many controversial topics on this board. Most of them ending in insulting someone muslims and christain. He is a quintessential cyberterrorist and we must stop him by ignoring him. The first step to do that is to educate everyone muslims and christains that his view may not represent Islamic view.

I am tired of seeing him spam the board with his posts. It is time to stop hate! Preach and act peace!

@jarus,
The ealier we tell ourselves the truth the better. We must stop indulging abuzola when we know he is damaging Islam through his conduct.

I quite understand where he is coming from. I have related with people like him before. So I know who I am dealing with. Abuzola should stop reading those foundamentalist texts from fanatics. The books are behind his act. The real foundamentalists dont sit behind the pc and lauch attack on nairaland. They write to sponsors and take next available flight to Afghanistan or Somalia. That is where there real test of conviction can be felt.

We must donate money to abuzola and send him to Afghanistan to practive what he preaches. Let us launch appeal fund on his behalf so that we can have sanity on nairaland religion section. The earlier we recognize that the enemies he is looking for is inside him, better for everyone.

Can you hear him pass judgement on a others as if he were god?

This board have a problem. And the problem is Abuzola. To clean a rotten wound, the source must be removed. Abuzola must be stopped by all. He is the most conspicous problem this board has. Let us be truthful, please!

I thought as much. A muslim who does not want to face his own weakness. I am not mukina bf ok? She is in Gambia and I am in Lagos just like you. Just show your face. I will give you my number and address and also want yours too. Let me know the mosque or field where you are leading people and I will come and engage you in intellectual discuss in front of your fellowers.

Face to face, I can read your mood and also determine whether you are truly a muslim or just a mole like mussailama al kazaab. If your job is to act as muslim and the bring Islam to disrepute, you dont have to hid at all. We are aware of many like that who are enemies of Islam but are parading themselves as muslims.

It is time nairaland muslims raise a voice against people like that. People who cant donate a kobo to air their view on tv. People whose only claim to dawah are felt on nairaland just because of alias. My heart bled for you because you are not hurting yourself but many innocent muslims who are ashamed of relating with your jaundiced creeds. Destroy christains, disobey sultan, clean up Nigeria etc. You just reminded me of boko haram. I wont be surprised if you subscribe to their creed.

I am not your mate and am not in your class, intellectually, and spiritually. Go find out about me, I dont return insults with insults because I know who I am and what I stand for. I know who my God is and what He damand of me. I know that the foundamental principle of Islam is anchored upon respect of our fellow humans whether muslim or not. People like david that you have condemned to your "mental hell" are better than you in many ways because they show class and commitment to what they believe. Do you really believe in islam that you are ready to exterminate your opponents for?

If yes, tell me where Islam encourage lewd and insultive talks. Tell me where grudge bearing and lies are glorified. Yes, you fought mukina becos you spammed the forum. But people intervened. Months after that you still bear grudge against her and shamelessly refered to me as her bf just because I pointed something out to you. I asked you simple questions that make sense, but rather than answer it, you went on offensive. Mukinah has nothing to do with this. It is purely a topical issue something that you started. It is time people start ignoring you because you sounded like someone seeking attention at the expense of Islam. I can read grudge, frustration and immaturity in your words. I look forward to meeting you one on one.

May God clean your soul of corrupted ideologies.

Years ago, I read a great work title LET US BE MUSLIM. I forget the authr's name. It is a book I strongly recommend to muslims(especially those who think everyone who dont share their view is kafir) to read as it touched on many issues. I gave away my copy to a christain friend who insisted that I should convert him to Islam. For months, he kept talking about how I am different muslim and how he want to join my creed. He kept asking me questions from many controversial issues like forgiveness, hatred, terrorism etc. He troubled me on why I read bible and also refuse to condemn it. And why I quotes from both bible and quran. For months that we lived together, I remained firm in my conviction. We were together in the North when WTC was hit and when Jos boiled. I was even at the spot the jos 2001 riot started! I was going to my mentor's house at that period.  And it was after my explanation of the Islamic justice and anti terrorism that he started urging me to convert him. My reply was It is not for me to convert him and that I will never do that! I stuck to my gun. I told him I didnt come to the North to do evangelism and that he was just privy to my islamic background because we live together.

In 2002, when I cant take it anymore, I told him in depth why it is not within my power to convert anyone and then revealed to him the reason I stay away from public religion debate. He agreed with me and consequently thanked me. But he made a request. He wanted the book, LET US BE MUSLIM!

I love this book to the point that I read it everyday after my bible-quran devotion. I obliged him and then relocated to Lagos. We lost contact since then.

So what does being a muslim mean? Does it mean declaring kalima just like that? Observing solat? Fasting in ramadan? Does Islam ends in 5 pillars of Islam? To me, this is not so!!

For instance, many muslims observe solat daily but is their solat having desired effect on them? Quran said Inna solat tan'a anil fahshai wal munkar! Unfortunately many people still spew lewdness, vain talks and also commit fahshai after solat! Can they be muslim?

A scholar was asked how one will know that his prayers are accepted, and he replied : INNA SOLATA TAN'A ANIL FAHSHAI WAL MUNKAR!

Ramadan has just gone, and some people are returning to old way. Has those people truly benefitted from fasting?

What of those who give charity only when they want something back?

Fellow, I am here not to break my no public religion debate vow, but to stimulate those who are sensible to talk about what being a muslim mean. I am sure some people will pick holes in my conviction. That is human nature. But let not the substaince of the topic be lost. Let the non muslims understand islam instead of you attacking them. A young lady I love still refuse to believe I am a muslim till date because she think muslims only talk about hell fire, terrorism and condemnation of christainity! She said I " sounded like a born again christain!"

It is upon a challenge by a christain lady on nairaland that I open this thread. Christains are tired of the war, and real muslims are avoiding the section due to the "invasion". Let us be real muslim and NOT legal muslim. Let us uphold the tolerance, humility, and the virtue espoused by the prophet. It is time to let our deeds win us love of God and men.

What does it mean to be muslim?

how many threads must you open on one topic?

I meant MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT MOCK OTHER PEOPLE'S GOD.

@abuzola,
I am disappointed in you! I dont know your age or your vocation, but I am of view that you are a young man in your twenties. You may have recently recieved some lessons in dawah and therefore have the illusion that you cannot be wrong. I wonder how you intend to force people to accept your view when you are always at war with your opponents!

FYI, I am also a muslim. But am not a laud one. I dont have the time for people who are unreasonable. I may not be coming to nairaland regularly, I have talked to many who are once regular here and I was stunned to hear that many kept away from the section because of you!

Were you ever aware that Islam strongly advise that muslims should mock other people's gods? Or have you ever read that LAQOD KAANA LAKUM FI ROSULU LAI UTHUWATUN ASANATUN, LIMAN KAANA YAR'JU LAH WAL'YAOMA LI AKHIRA WAZAKARA LAHU KASIRAN?

Have you ever read a single hadith where the prophet lauch verbal attack on unbelievers when they refused to heed his call? Or have you ever read in quran where Allah call xtains kafir? So why is your own dawah a radical shift?

My first contact with you was when you threatened mukinah with death and hellfire, just because you are cautioned. You called her kafir etc. I read the post and cried for you. Since then, you have ridicule Islam in many ways than kafir!

Why call me a complainer if you know your deen? A simple correction.

Learn from olabowale. Read his posts very well and find out how he dealt with opponents. He doesnt call people mugu or attack others needlessly.

If you attack me again, you will begun your road out of nairaland for good. Dont ask me how I will do it. Learn decorum. Discuss life, not death. Discuss imaan and not kafir. Discuss how to improve and not how others are wrong. Every deeds has a reward.

@osisi,
I remember our days in time of yore. I dont know what to say now. But I want you to IM me. I got a lot to tell you that I cant post here. But it is voluntary.

Before then, I think it is wrong to turn every discusion into muslims vs christains. Something is wrong with nairaland pastors and alfas. Is there no way everyone can learn to respect one another? Nigeria has so many problems already. Let us channel our energy to solutions instead of idle talks.

mr poster,
When she used to come to you, did you try to eat her forbidden fruit or you ate without her cooperation? Is there any incidence where the two of you have clashed?

A woman dont just change toward her man without reason. Let us know. Be honest o because no one will give you medal for hidding facts.

@all,
Moon sighting is not peculiar to Islam. It is on record that before the Gregorian calendar, moon is being used to read the months and count the year. The new yam festival in Igboland, and some jewish festivities are done upon sighting moon in a particular time of the year. Except for those who read bible upside down, it is in history that biblical year is based on lunar year.

What is more, most of the months in the Gregorian calender are named after roman idols. There is not January during the time of Jesus christ! Evidence abounds that the 3 wish men that visited Jesus christ at birth didnt read December 25th but follow lunar months and stars. I may be wrong though.

That said, I wish to state that lslamic use of lunar year has nothing to do with stargazing. Scientifically, it is proven that lunar year has some advantages over solar year which has been calibrated and recalibrated before we arive at the current one.
@abuzola,
Did Allah ask you to follow any leader? Did anyone stop you from looking out for the new moon after shaban? Finally, have you studied quran very well to know the implication of calling the man a liar?

I fear for this generation. Let every man deed speak for him!

jobless people playing god just because the internet is free!

I fear for the thread starter because he has started a fire he cant extinguish. Rather than making a point, his manner of presentation has turned an educative discurss into a useless argument. Like a man who stored gasoline in his house while throwing banger at his neighbour's house (to wake up the innocent neighbour), he soon find that his own house is the next to to be touched!

Helpless, but also thoughtless, he continues to throw dry clothes on the fire instead of getting fire extinguisher or cry for help!

May God forgive us all!

@poster,
You dont need advice. Get out of the house and file for divorce. I hate that kind of men.

@topup,
I quite disagree with you. Expecially after reading the original post. Let me find out if there is any addition from the poster. I dont buy that idea at all. Many ladies have missed their life partner by holding the view that when men withdraw, from ladies, he is probably an unserious type. I will make my comment after I am settled.

it is still the same. Stay away from him at least for now. Experience has shown that when a man double date, a woman must be used and dumped. Dont be that woman because it may take you time to get over it. Prevention is better than cure.

obviously, you are older than the guy.

Why did you want the relationship to be private? And why would you have agreed that he should date both of you without preparing for the consequence?

I think you should stay away from the guy and watch him from afar to see how things work between him and the other girl. Dont pour your water in a leaking bucket.

tpia,
In that case. He should have made it a general post. Two wrong cant make a right. My own post was based on the seriousness attached to it.

And this *may not* cant hold water. He wrote quite well, and ask questions like someone who is pulling legs. When for instance. He was jokingly told to do it at 12 noon, read his replies. There are others that gave him away as a liar.

Everyone know that even without ramadan, most people fornicate and claim to be virgin. So if such people carry the act to ramadan,what make them special?

In short, if he has said some people do it while fasting, it could have attracted real debate. But lying and seeking false advice show he is either trying to fool everyone or he is thinking of the forum as an assemblage of fools. Let call a spade a spade. We should know when people try to take others for granted. I was even surprise no one asked of his age. It would have been easier to categorize his post.

joke apart,
i patiently read every replies the poster made and analysed them word for word. I am confident he is a liar.

The sad thing is that many are glorifying this kind of post and that is why many are springing up.

Well, many people enjoyed being fooled. Maybe that is what encourage him.

Beside, not everyone of us are endowed with extra extra perception. Good luck to the poster, for selling the lie.

strange! She must be hidding something

well, well. There is a lot to gain in read than talking. I have been away for sometimes and have come across, leilah posts, but I never read them!
@david,
Is it true all her posts is about problems in marriage?

@MADAM POSTER,
The guy gave you the best reply in the circumstance. What he was telling is to let you decide what to do while he lick his wound later. Not many guys can tell a woman they love to find another man.

In truth, he may love you very deeply. But what should he do? Rob a bank?

Now, what can you do?

I will not ask you to leave him just like that.

Try this:

Since you know him for 5 years, you should be able to answer the following questions;
1. Is he someone gifted in any skill that he can use to make money (minus kidnapping, pickpocketing and lies);
2. Has he ever muted the idea of setting up a business? What were his plans?
3. Is he a briliance young(old) man or he is a 3 class holder who managed to get out of the university by luck?
Is he a faithful, loyal lover or a womanizer?

What was his qualification and course of study?

Let here you! There is nothing wrong in being jobless, and poor. What is unacceptable is doing nothing about the situation.

Until I read from you, cheers!

Hmmm. Are you still a virgin?

Sorry for these turn around. Firstly, it is not cultural thing. Africans traditionally take care of their wives.

You man has an issue. It may be that you are once richer than him and had used that position to make him submisive to you. Or that you have done so many things wrong in the past, when you are working, that he had swore to revenge.

All in all, you also clashed with the family and didnt get on well with them. That, may have encouraged the family affected to poison his mind against you (provided he is a nice man before now).

Think about it and let see if you can point out the real cause.

Finally, did you bring him over to Ireland or you both met there?

Mr. Poster,
Why is it impossible to make independent decision? Tell us you are tired of her and let us hear story!

The Shariah law I know is very kind to women. There is nothing in the resolution that will surprise enlightened muslims. That they come up with the law indicated they admit many people are abusing polygamy.

I have seen the resolutions in practice among few muslims even before it come out.

The implication of the law, if implemented, will be that divorce, which is permitted under sharia, will be discouraged, just as people will think twice before turning their wives to baby factories. What is more, the time of divorcing a wife to marry another, will be checked.

Great resolution!

For those who want it in the South, I just laugh. Human Rights will fight it to the end.

Hmmm what could have gone wrong? Is there any clue as to the cause of his change in behaviour toward you?

Will it be weekly or just saturdays? If that is the case, it would be four times in the Ramadan,

Can you please explain further on the plan Jarus?

First, I want to sound warning to most of us who are so educated that we tend to display some measures of ignorance. First of there is nothing stopping the two of you from getting married while you are in school. And you should have obtained admission at a city where you and your lady will live. That is if you are brilliant enough to get admission in any university you apply to.

Secondly, she is a woman, I quite understand her concern and they are very real. We know of how men will go off like that and later dumped the poor girl at her prime after waiting for her love till old age. No matter what you think, you cannot say exactly what wil happen in 2-3 years time and words alone cannot tell what you will be.

Thirdly, whoever tell you that you cannot use yourr PGD to get a Masters, if that is your goal. And why cant you continues with your work and go for part-time degree if you are so much concerned about Degree instead of going back to school to spend another four years?

finally, whatever the case is, it is obvious there is no communication between you and the lady. But communication, I mean there was feedback after the announcement.Many people make mistake of equating talking with communicating. There is no way you will sit down your lady and "communicate" without the two of your ariving at a decision. Obviously, what you did was like asking for her permission. In other word, you just tell her what you want to do and she made her own suggestion which is that you go for pgd and you fnd it difficult to convinced her why you need to have the B. Sc.

LEt me tell you, the girl is afraid of losing you and probably want to settle down. The onus lies on you to address her concern or free her so that a better man who is ready can find her. And to say you are going to leave while she must have rejected so many guys in camp is very unfortunate. You are the one who need either assure her or find a compromise if you truly love her and want to keep her.

in your situation, if you ever make the wrong decision after the lad have accepted you, it is the lady that will lose and suffer most. So find a way and talk to her. Listen to her and see what her conceren is. You will find a solution faster if you can do just that.

Well-done!

When will Africans start using their creativity to develop their country instead of reoving their parts for rituals?

The while will get a dead man part and use it to keep a dying man alive. The black will get a living man body parts and use it for blood money! What a world!

There is no problem here. All the woman need to do is get the man a boys quarter in one of her houses. But she must ensure that the house is far away from the one she lives. Furthermore, she can allow him to have his women in the boys quarter but ensure agian that she would not be the new wife. With this, she will then pass by the house everyday and give him food and drinks on her way to work as one will do for a beggar!


I am so sure that the man is shameless. I wonder what he would have done if the woman has not been successful. shame on men who abandon their wives after making a covenant to stay for better for worse.

On the second note, the woman must realize that she was inadvertently a major beneficiary of the man waywardness. All glory must go to God and not to her. If she has remained the man husband, there is little chance that she would have been forced to work harder and independently. She should forgive the man from the very depth of her mind and maybe she can as suggested earlier "give the man alms everyday" with maximum dignity. After all, he is her children father. I wonder how it will be for such couple to lie together again as husband and wife without the past creeping to the now-wretched man. He must be very ashamed. On other hand, if the wife can cope with this, she may go ahead and remarry him. BUT SHE MUST NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE OF LETTING HIM CONTROL HER BUSINESS. ALL HER PROPERTIES AND WHATEVER MUST BE WILLED TO HER CHILDREN,. NOT A SINGLE COIN FOR THE MAN.