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arowtop:
Please I need someone to help me interpret a page of English journal to French language.
please

Seriously or joking?

nnokwa042:
baba is arabic word or u want to tell me that afonja took islam to arab people?so akeem muyideen tawakalitu muinotu is afonja names abi ?i know the meaning of bukola what is meaning of tawakalitu

Yoruba's real word for Father is “Ba" but interchange sometimes with Baba because If you hear or listen to Yoruba's dialect being spoken, you will hear Ba'ré(your father) Ba'mi(my father) . Lastly, Yoruba didn't borrow such words from Arabs because such words had been with Yoruba ancestors for ages. Are you saying Yoruba borrow ARABA ( Supreme IFA PRIEST ) Which is same with Jewish's RABI( TORAH PRIEST)? too many words that are similar yet not borrowed from anyone but of Yoruba origin

axortedbabe:
Que sera sera

Seem you speak French. “Whatever will be "(Quoi que sera sera)

Obalufon:
you right 100%

Hello bro, how are you doing?

abdelrahman:
he is yoruba,don't you see his name? His ancestors are among those that the ibadan beheaded when ilorin invade them,i think that is why he is fraustrated with yoruba.

I doubt it because there is no way anyone will claim what he said about Yoruba people in Kwara state. Name has nothing to do with reality online because some people are deceitful and ashamed of their ethnicity or tribe.

Ajikobi1:
Kwara consists of many tribes... Yorubas are minority while the Barubas are the majority in land mass.... I will say Hausa sha

I thought you are Yoruba. And you claim to be an indigene of ILORIN? Quite surprised l, reading this pseudo information from you.

Ajikobi1:
Yes. We still maintain the relationship. The people of Iseyin along with some Iseyin chiefs
payed condolence visit to the Balogun when his mother passed away.

Excellent

Obalufon:
what part of edo are you thick skull from ? Benin was a kingdom never grown to become An empire ...... i will never hate edo because firstly edo blood runs in my vein secondly we are tied historically Benin kingdom will never complete without mentioning ile-ife....owo ondo akure ekiti,,Lagos....Where is the hatred coming from ?? are trying to play superiority card .. Yoruba race is ride of africa

Stop engaging those uncultured people. They are a disgrace to Yoruba nation, who are of a SLAVISH LINEAGE. We don't need such relationship with mannerless people. Exposure from ILE IFE were taken to them, yet they are ungrateful. This is the reason they will never be known as a nation that can stand on their own. YORUBA NATION ROCKS

I hope the AJIKOBIS always remember that their kith and kin in all Yoruba land.

Ela is GOD himself if one understands the sublime wisdom in IFA corpus,where historical information about creation was made manifest. According to the corpus ,Ela is GOD. This is because Ela was spoke word in the chaotic void,which brought forth the LIFE. Ela is the ORO that connects humanity to GOD.

pazienza:
It's the matter.
If a people migrate to a place and establish their own independent towns. Chances are that their original language will survive, if there are no colonial force at play, even if they are surrounded by a dominant language.
At worst, their language would survive in form of a second dying language, as names of words rooted in antiquity.

Your Ubulu example is misleading, you were suggesting that the entire Ubulu town were originally Yoruba speaking people who switched to Igbo because of Igbo neighbors, but so far, it had been established that Ubulu was already a large Igbo speaking town before a people from Yorubaland became assimilated as part of a section of one the many villages of Ubulu ukwu.

In this part of our world, people don't lose their language entirely, traces remain,especially if they establish independent towns of their own.

Yes, I made phone calls, I don't care about your bogus articles, I am more interested on first hand accounts, as a matter of fact, I'm planning to visit Ifira before the year runs out, I will get you pics from the kings palace and other important places as poof.

Ifira and Ipesi are like the smallest towns in AkSE, between Epinmi , Isua and Ipe, AKSE is almost finished.
I'm very versed in the area, and can speak very small amounts of Ipe, Epinmi and Isua
You depend on online sources to get info on the area, I depend on first hand experience and real people on ground.

Yes, their history reeks of inferiority complex, A Yorubaphilic people who claims Ife origin, but whose first language is an Edoid one , and whose everything rooted in antiquity has an Edoid name.
Distorted oral history that defies rationality means nothing to me.

This is not about separating Akoko SE from Yoruba , as I have no interest in that, this is about standing for rationality.

I have an Ose friend who reliably informed me that his town have an Edoid origin, even though they had embraced Yoruba entity of recent.
I will try and extract more information on this from him, when next we meet.

Quickly, I have followed this perspective of yours but there are gray areas that you won't get accurate information on it because of certain factors. However, I will give you a leeway because a community like EPINMI was given that spot where they exist because of some IFE warriors under a prince from OONI'S HOUSEHOLD. There is no EPINMI indigene today that doesn't have Yoruba lineage. Having said this, few people of EDOID/IGALA etc and not BINI were brought along to this location because of war factor . Pride will make some of these people to deny it. But the question you need asked them is the vastness of the land they occupy and how do they own that land? Deeper personal investigation will make you see that Prince and his co warriors didn't influence them but RESCUED THEM FROM BINI and other EDOID GROUP. And this is the reason they insisted that they migrated to BINI and Environ before they moved out. The later migration from BINI through other places were basically because of WAR.

gbolah1:
post all your details of your department/admission number and your location, with your past scores. you may see someone to give you scholarship through here. i.e if you are not a fraudster. you cannot request help from people by not showing your genuineness.

Yoruba are great and have humans feeling. we always love to help each other to grow.that's the spirit of a Yoruba person.

hope this is not another Yoruba boy trying to copy those igbo fraudster? if your intention is not pure, believe me you will get arrested in couple of days, is better to stop derail well thoughtful thread.

You may not know numbers of highly place fellow that's following this thread. dont think of defrauding people through here or become a corporate beggar which yoruba are not knowing for. be a good representative of Yoruba race.
God will be with you if you truly need help

Awesome piece. I hope the said young chap seeking help is genuine.

Highly industrialised Yoruba people .

Obaluf0n:
Your previous post seemed to have put the blames at the doorstep of the Ifes -- 'It was political and seen as a form of oppression of Modakeke'

Anyway, it is what it is.

It seems as I didn't express my opinion from the perspective I intended .I intentionally wouldn't put the blame on IFE but was really referring to the political bloc that had the intention of putting Yoruba nation in problem. This is from the angle I was really looking at. It is well with us bro . YORUBA REIGNS FOREVER.

Obaluf0n:
Are you serious?

- I didn't know the moves to stop further encroachment on ancestral lands of the people of Iraye quarters which is one of 13 original communities making up Ife was politucal oppeession o!

- I didn't know the attempt at stopping the splitting of a single town into two kingdoms; was also oppression.

- I did not know the refusal to accede to the demand for a LG that would have made one of the cores of Ife which is Iraye (what you call Modakeke) a separate town was also political oppression, I never knew until you said it.

Using your premise, Yoruba's reaction to Igbo's claims to Lagos domination, ownership of certain areas/LG, demand for offices and demand to stop the use of Yoruba at the State House in the past years must have been political oppression o.

E kare sir, awon alaale a ma bless yin.

Well, you seem to misunderstood my perspective which is far deeper what you think considering the way the Modakeke had felt at that moment. Irrespective of the situation that led to internal fracas amongst us which was the pointer as the reason for the location and relocation of LOCAL GOVERNMENT,which was the genesis of the problem. I mentioned Political because the crave for all these issues was DEVELOPMENT. And people who tend to benefit from it once the people that had the intention of creating that problem/division had a filled day which they did my dear brother. You know I have stake at ILE IFE as all of us do. If for instance there were heavy war against all Yorubas today, where would all strive to return? Your answer is as good as I have knowledge of it as ILE IFE. Iraye and other Yoruba land will develop once we have our own country because all will have access self development . As you know, we will wage war against anyone that try to encroach on Yoruba land But as MODAKEKE are within the same lineage,the best bet is to appease ELEDUMARE always to guide us with wisdom in dealing with ourselves. There is no ethnicity in the world without her peculiar problems and Yoruba ethnicity isn't different . It is well with all of US.

Obaluf0n:
Not to derail or divide the thread but the war of the late 90s to 2000s was a continuation of the one in 1800s and it did get out of hands. The war of the 90s was Oyo & some of her towns; Gbongan & Ode Omu; then Modakeke all bombarding Ife but that was that anyway.

I can recall the incident vividly. It was political and seen as a form of oppression of Modakeke. Anyway, it is by gone.

absoluteSuccess:
You have a point, we've been on the subject for years, may God give us good hands that can take on an archeological interests in Yorubaland .

Total agreement to your assertion on archeological discoveries. Work were done in June 2017 in Olokun site etc at ILE IFE recently on the beads findings that were in thousands and other places were discovered. More excavation will keep opening up more hidden identity of the Yoruba ancestors.

absoluteSuccess:
If you can put 'afonja' and 'identity crisis' together in one sentence, you are left to imagine the state of your brain.

You needn't quote that Ibo boy because he intend derailing the fact finding. However,“metaphysical"mentioned one specific point which has to do with expressing our views as well as anthropological evidences related to Yoruba history.


Ideally, it will even be of great advantage if we unify such expression in a forum.

Obaluf0n:
Ijebu group as one of the major sub-region and power bloc in Yoruba nation has always been involved in the politics and warfare of the larger Yoruba group starting from the Owu war where it took sides with the ravaged Ife army and ever since it has continued to go where Ife went militarily and politically while simultaenously looking out for its own demands.

The Ijebu did not participate in the Ekitiparapo wars only but all wars in Yoruba land. It fought on the side of Ife in all of Ife's wahala and strongly fought Ife's wars against Modakeke. I am not sure they participated in the Ife-Modakeke wahala of the 90s though but Ijebu has for a lifetime been a strong Ife ally even thought their political revisionist historians have tried to give them Waddai origins

Yes,the 1990s wasn't the kind of war that need Ijebu attention or other Yoruba clans because it hadn't gotten out of hand. Else the Ooni's descendants would have flooded ILE IFE. Truthfully, politics was the reason for not allowing MODAKEKE had her way. Anyway, all have have stake in ILE IFE, either Modakeke or any Yoruba clan as it seems. Warring among ourselves isn't worth it. Long live Yoruba Race.

Omofunaab2:
Oduduwa republic will be perfect if we are to be homogeneous nation.. but the awujale of ijebu land that has come out to distance the ijebu people from oduduwa nko? and ijebus are one of the largest groups in our tribes.


Western Republic of Nigeria will be perfect..

The truth is that, in,1984, some people mistakenly wrote the history of Ijebu in a way that make them older than the rest of Yoruba. They didn't say they aren't family of Yorubas but said they are OLDER THAN ODUDUA descendants. So, don't see it as anything relevant but political because OBANTA, Who was the third in the kingship title holder in Ijebu Ode and he was a descendant of ODUDUA. In fact, the Ijebu were a major player in the KIRIJI WAR, over all led by OGÈDÈNGBÈ GBÈ AGBOGUN GBORO .Ijebu Ode clan is part of Yoruba Race.

laudate:
Hehehe.... don't mind him. He and his crew are specialists in revisionism. Only God knows who he spoke to in Epinmi, that agreed with him that their language is Edoid. Was it one of their traditional chiefs, market women or students? How many people did he speak to? It was probably someone as uninformed as he is...

My aunt married to the Epinmi's .These people were rescued from annihilation by my ancestors when they arrived at the location of partly old BINI Kingdom. And from old BINI KINGDOM, they were moved to their present location. There are things best kept in the cooler .Anyway, there language is a mixture of Yoruba and others dialect. There is no lineage in Epinmi that is not related to Yorubas. EDO were originally EFA(EVAH)/AKA /IKA people. And Yoruba infiltrated them through Odèdé(Oranmiyan) and his warriors as well as IFA priest,who is his seer as it was the tradition of our ancestors princes leaving ILE IFE when he went to that part called Edo.

pazienza:
I have been to Epinmi and I told them their dialect is Edoid and they agreed.

Epinmi speak an entirely different language from Yoruba, their language is not even Yoruboid like Igala, it's a full blown Edoid language of its own.
For example, the word for King in Epinmi is "Ovie", even though in the spirit of their new Yoruba identity, they call their king officially, Oba today.

Common words like head, leg, teeth, mouth, etc have an entirely different words for them in these places that are not Yoruba.

Ikare and Arigidi, even Oka are proper Yoruba tow whose indigenes speak Yoruba dialects.

If you don't know these things, it simply means that you had not lived amongst these people in their lands.
I have, so I know better.

Historian of the 21st century, we've heard you. Thanks for your information and kindly stop derailing this forum with your baseless egocentrism....

forgiveness:
I see. Thanks


So, why has it not materialized until now?

How long will it take to actualize?

There is nothing to materialise there yet as secession hasn't taken place. Nothing will ever happen on the bill of rights until such as secession take place. And as yesterday, some people marked 50th anniversary of the beginning of the Nigerian Civil war. So,until the three groups don't see eye to eye that things can materialise. Else it will still be at the archive of United Nations as recognising formally The Yoruba nation.

absoluteSuccess:
Very well, the historical entries at our disposal are very slippery and sophisticated. Time is the revealer of all secrets.

I was wandering on what gbeti is, I think its intelligible in Yoruba: Gbeti 'fails to dry up', this follows that ein gbeti is behind a water that has failed to dry up.

If we are very patience, and have our hands on the plow, our language will furnish us with amazing secrets.

Yes, ofcourse, to fail to dry up is one perfect meaning of Gbeti.Although there is a town called IGBETI in Yoruba land as well. There are so many names in Yoruba land that the original meaning have been gone with the wind.Even many words with its original meaning gone without being properly kept. The only group of people that may still be original is ANCIENT SOCIETIES/ CULTS YORUBA words. Even among these people, many join for connection purpose and not to learn anything about the mystery of Yoruba land. And these are the only place most ancient Yoruba words are coded among the core priests and able members because these ancient words come with conjuring and POTENCY is unrivaled...

absoluteSuccess:
Ok,

There is something metaphysical has been saying before now, that Araba is identical with Rabbi. Araba is the chief priest of Ifa adherents. I'm of the view that mysteries comes in compound forms hence Orumila cannot just be Eliasa and that's just, you get? It has to come with one or more supportive mysteries.

For instance, En Gedhi is to me a root word for Ebedi, Egbeji and Ein Gbeti: ein is Yoruba for palms or kernels which is what Ein Gedi is famed for. Ebedi is from Iseyin, Is-ein: still a drop of ein, the palm. Egbeji is Yoruboid hybrid, meaning well versed in charms or hamulet. Ein Gbeti is closest version to Ein Ghedi.

Now, metaphysical has revealed the import of Araba, I have claimed Ein Gedi has to do with erigialo, because of the en aigialois. Now the stunner is the fact that the said place is under betharaba, meaning 'house of Araba' that's what I mean by compound-mystery, which is less complicated than complex-mystery.

Now where is house of Araba in Yorubaland? Yet we claim all mystery reside in Yorubaland but why don't we have a name to the origin of Ifa or its highest authority? No people can claim autonomy out of sheer pride without an iota of knowledge. All of humanity are connected one way or the other.

You did threw more into the mystery and I got your drift. However, what drew my attention was the ORUN “M" I/ E LA. His name was just a pointer(ELA–SAR) because he was the first to be identified with such as a priest . Anyway, as you rightly mentioned, more evidence need provided.

forgiveness:
Can you please explain the @bolded?

What does it implies?

When was it submitted?

What or how long will take for the process to sail through?

Thanks

It means Yoruba is an ethnicity that is capable of staying as a nation on her own. This has been in the United Nations archives for years. It was during the M. K. O Abiola era that Yoruba man was denied the right to ascend to the presidency office after he won the election. A lot of Yoruba were killed Including Pa Alfred Rewane. An itsekiri man, Who knew their ancestors story as part of Yoruba Race. Some members of the N. A. D. E. C. O , took it upon themselves to establish the Odu'a people's Congress. And a draft of Yoruba nation was established and submitted on behalf of Yoruba nation to the United Nations. This was how the Odu'a groups and Yoruba bodies both in diaspora and at home begun to be formed from 1993/1994 upwards, Starting with N. A. D. E. C. O. So, I mock some people who think they were the first to draft such bill of rights to the United Nations .Yoruba lead others follow.

pazienza:
Odiani( Yes, that's their name now, it's no longer Olukumi) had since assimilated into the Igbo culture of their Enu-ani neighbors. They are now Enu ani people.
They are no longer Yorubas just as Igbide( an Isoko town that migrated from Mgbidi in Imo state) are no longer Igbos today, or as Edoid speaking towns of Isua, Ifira, Ipe, Ipesi, Epinmi, etc in Akoko SE of Ondo state , are no longer Edo today, but had since assimilated into Yoruba culture and are proud Yorubas today.

You are funny honestly because it seems “ODI " and “ANI" ARE not USED AS WORDS IN YORUBA LANGUAGE. Let me Kindly sway you away from such ignorance because you don't know that ODI has a Yoruba meaning as well as ANI.
Whatever, seem fit before you I s what you should hold on. However, I will appreciate if you have meaningful information to better the lot my People and if you don't anything positive but to turn this platform to CULTURE platform ISN'T GONNA WORK. KINDLY CONTINUE TO VIEW BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO CONTRIBUTE, NAADAH. Thanks for your understanding.

laudate:
Isua, Epinmi, Ipesi, etc, in Akoko area of Ondo State speak a Yoruba dialect, and they all bear Yoruba names. I spent 2 years carrying out a project in Ikare-Akoko which was not far from Isua. Some of the best pounded yam I ever ate was from that side! There is nothing Edoid about them, o! Don't let anyone deceive you with their tales by moonlight on this thread. Some of them are well known for ascribing a false identity to other ethnic groups, except their own...

Yes, I can't be deceived by anyone as it regard certain information before. Precisely these people were moving at different times to different places for economic or intergroup war reason . There are elements of Afemai settlement alongside Yoruba people in this group that he mentioned but all have been inter married with Yorubas. There is no Epinmi people or her environment that doesn't have Yoruba bloodlines. I inform as someone, whose family members married into Epinmi, and many part of Yoruba land, considering the manner at which Yoruba princes, priests, seasoned warriors married in the olden days. Bro, Yoruba ancestors were partial nomadic people and when they move, they were always prepared to engage anyone that or group of people that are aggressors. There are information that can't be disclosed online. But none of these people that don't have connection with Yoruba heritage.



Cheers

AshiwajuFoward:
I don't think it's in our character as a people to reject our kith and kin who are not ashamed of their own history and roots. But at the same time, I also don't think it wise to belabour those who reject their own history. That's their problem. Like you said, life is about choices.

perfect

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