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9jakool:
The word "koro" means bitter in Yoruba. It has nothing to do with the word man. Yes, the root word "kọ" is used for words relating to a man. For example ọkọrin/ọkọren in Yoruba means man and akọ means male and ọko means husband.

Some Yoruba like Ilajes bear Omawumi, Omasola. Oma means child in Eastern Yoruba dialects.

In some places within Eastern Yoruba, okinrin is pronounced. While, the four letter k-o-r-o word can also mean something different, depending on the accent. For example, Koro (bring forth wealth), koro (second person singular form of pronoun for someone to rise) , koro (Second person singular pronoun; to tell someone to have a thought over discussed issue) .

historyworld030:
We certainly don't know anything about your "bini" or your "oba bini".
However we are Edo and our Kingdom is Benin Kingdom, it's capital is Benin City and our king is Omo n'Oba n'Edo often refered to as Oba of Benin.
No relations to your "oba bini" or to your alfonso the invisible and magical book writer.

First of all, I want to let you know that once you engage me in an unruly manner again, I won't go further on this germane issue that you seem emotional about. Now to hit the nail on the head, there was IKA /AKA /IDU depending on the location one try to refer to within the ancient BINI kingdom..Since, you want to quash this truth based on your self assumption, then, I need to ask you questions. And the first one is; Who was the father of Eweka? If you can inform us that it was not a Yoruba man, then Yoruba don't have any connection with you but if otherwise, it was a man known as ODÉDÈ, who was also known as oranmiyan, then Yoruba is connected to your BINI throne via this lineage. I will advise you to go and do thorough researching before you come online and get too emotional about this historical truth. The same Joao Alfonso mischievously gave the Atlantic sea your name, when infact BINI was and still Landlocked. Imagine such a misconception. You are Edo and know your history, right? Apart from Izoduwa, the so called Ogiso prince , who among his ancestral lineage still exist in Edo today? Show us Ogiso's family members.

In places within Abeokuta axis, names such as shobowale, Shoyinka, Shokoya, Sholanke, Shodeke etc are more prevalent than other regions. In places within Eastern Yoruba, especially the buffer zone to Edo(South west Akoko) enclave,names like Orungbemi, Olubodun, Ologunpesi, OlogunAgba, Aduloju, Ologunope etc are prevalent. In an area in Northern Yoruba,such as Oyo, Ogbomosho axis, names like Sangotade, Sangokoya etc are more prevalent. IJebu also bear names linked to Oshinaike, oshinbajo, Okunuga, Adenuga ,Odunuga etc. In all the names with “sh" sound can also be pronounced in this way or used plainly with “s" sound but naturally most names with “s" sound ought to be pronounced in “sh" sound. Lastly , I strongly believe that names of any person of Yoruba descent associated with any deity linked to one's ancestors can be bore in any location one find himself which most of time is linked to names people bear. If One put into consideration, the fact that migration and emigration did happened in Yoruba land during war times and sometimes according to IFA dictates.

Probz:
Are you okay?

Not really necessary for such words. The man was only appreciative of what he saw as an information..... Easy!

Obsessed to who or what clan? A clan that was trained by Oranmiyan.... I mock this people called OGISO Fabricator .There is an information from Joao Alfonso..... Feed your eyes. It is still at the archive of Portugal on West Africa record. If you like hate it the truth... Lastly, most of you Edo haters don't know Jack shit about BINI. You are all here fuming over things you have no knowledge on. Ooni remain the father and all supreme king over OBA BINI.

Konquest:
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@Ejanla07

No Bini are not Yoruba... the Bini had their own culture
and language in the Ogiso era before the rise of the Oranmiyan/Eweka Dynasty. It is the Bini Royal
family that has links with Ile Ife because
they are cousins. If an Ooni passes
on, the Royal Palace in Benin kingdom
and other top Yoruba kingdoms are
always informed, before the whole
world gets to know.


There was also mixing of blood via
marriages between Bini-Edoid and Yoruboid
groups especially in Eastern Yoruba
part of the Benin Empire, such as Owo,
Ondo town, parts of Ekiti, Eko or Lagos Island , Itsekiri
via the movement of Prince Ginuwa, a
Bini prince settling among the Itsekiri
of Ijebu origin in Ode-Itsekiri in the
year 1480 etc. Prince Ginuwa's mother was from
Ife.

With Yoruba and Edo, all is good because
of the historical and cultural links
that bind the 2 ethnicities.

All the best!

Perfect submission.

Konquest:
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Oh thanks for emphasising this fact about
immigration and emigration from Ile-Ife.


The Yoruba for instance are an amalgamation
of different peoples who merged with autochtonous communities. Prof. Jide Osuntokun's
write ups emphasized the fact that Odua
dynasty was a foreign one that merged with
the autochtonous people. It was the rise of a
new dynasty.He said there were people in
multiple locations in Akure/Ife axis in Yorubaland before the
arrival of Oduduwa. It is worth finding out
more.


There were even several Obas who ruled in Ife before Oduduwa Dynasty came - based on what
I have studied going back to several years now.

The British monarchy led by Queen Elizabeth too is a of a foreign origin
from Germany. King George 1 how is Queen Elizabeth's direct ancestor could not even
speak good English when he arrived from
his country to assume the kingship of England.


My gut feeling tells me you are vast
in first-hand issues that have to do
with the esoteric mysteries of Ile-Ife...


If you go to page 1 of this thread, you will
see where I indicated that I read a magazine
titled: ROOTS in 1991 which emphasized
that some places and personalities in
Ife have names of IGALA origin. The article gave
the impression that Oduduwa was from
Igala land as well. Oloja[Onoja] and some
other names were published which I can't
recall right now but I will share them
with you when I check my archival materials.


Even the controversy involving whether Odudu
duwa came from the Bini area can be solved
via DNA tests such as AfricanAncestry.com
or DNALand.com which are very accurate
in identifying ethnic origins of
African-Americans. Several people traced
their origins to Yorubaland, Ashanti, Quincy Jones for instance has a paternal ancestry
to the Tikar ethnic group in the Bamenda
Region of Cameroon.


Thank you and wish you
a great day ahead!

The people Yoruba met were the Idoko people, the Ika people, Tapa or Nupe etc that Yoruba had to war against some at one time or the other. And yeah, Odu'a and his group migrated but not in the form some people might think he stumbled upon a people. There were migrations of people seeking access to water and all that. But his story was different because he came as an emissary. The first hand story in the ancient version was that he was an emissary from the East. And no one can come as an emissary except there were a higher authority that sent him. And being an emissary, he identified himself as a prince. Either true or lie,there are certain aspects of the man's tradition that support him as not being linked to any group in Africa. Now, which of the East did he come from? The Eastern part of the present day Nigeria? No, because there is no tradition of Eastern Nigeria people using ram as sacrifice. Was he from the so called Eastern part Yoruba people known as IDU?No, because Ogiso ancestors didn't use Ram as sacrifice. Was he from Eastern part of Africa? No, because no tradition was linked to any group in East Africa using Ram as sacrifice. Admilia From IDOKO cum Present day IGALA? No, because none of their tradition showed any link of using Ram as sacrifice. Was Odu'a from Egypt? No, because Egyptian Ra was identified with Ram and was worshiped .Ram in ancient Egypt was equated to god. From the proper Middle East, who were the ones associated with the use of Ram as a sacrifice? Two groups. The Arabs that were turned to Islamic members over 1500+ years ago and Abraham descendants of Hebrews uses Ram. Was Odu'a an Arab man? No, because patterned usage of Ram as sacrifice was different from the ones used by Islam. In Islam, the ritual of sacrificing Ram is done annually. Unlike Odu'a descendant, that such sacrifice is done on behalf of a male child so that the ram is used as a sacrifice for an exchange of life between the two. I know this tradition very well. If anyone has information on such tradition ,come showcase your findings. In the account of IFE kings, according to Akinjogbin, in which there were identified 46 kings list from the Ikedu oral list. These kings are not traceable in present day ILE IFE.So therefore, the story is deeper than what people think or emotional about. The truth is that Yoruba history didn't start in Nigeria. Like I said, let anyone who has studied other tradition in Nigeria or any part of Africa that find such tradition that Link using of Ram as sacrifice.

Opiletool:
What baffles me is the fact that, the story of this Izoduwa never existed even orally until one egoistic king of their's started writing the fictional events.
HHow can someone just wake up and Base a conclusion on a vague assumption that the so called Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa must have been the one that ended up at ile-ife?
I don't blame them though, I rather blame the custodians of our history who did little to refute this ridiculous fiction which has become a big delusion for them.

Sadly we'll continually drag this issue back and forth because we're all poor at telling our stories as regard to history. Imagine, we all [igbo /hausa/yoruba] don't even know where we all come from. We rely on the whites to tell our history. So sd that their haven't been any effort worthy of commendation as regards to making an empirical research on this issue. Yet we have professors of history. There are questions of where and how did we arrive here before separating into different ethnics begging for answers. That is what I'm really hoping to read one day.

My dear brother, a lot need be done .The reality is that they find Yoruba story very hard to believe because of the certain tradition peculiar to them. Don't blame the white because, they were looking for a lost people, whom the white have read about in the Bible. However, I strongly believe that most of these professors are not looking at the right place for Yoruba history,which is best known to them. Egypt has record of people that had lived there over thousands of years and Yoruba at one time lived in that country but under a different name. Have you for once, ask why and what does Ora mean in Yoruba?There are many names in Yoruba land today that has similarity with ancient names of Egypt, yet these historians always try to subdue the truth or try to knock it off. Until lately that some scholars have begun to agree that ILE IFE had moved to different locations for more than 7 times. A lot need be done to perfect our history from where we migrated from. In due season, we will get there.

Truth is really hurting some people. I doubt it if any of them could imagine that some like me who has deep knowledge of Odu'a ancestral worship and how he was acknowledge and respected during his time after his descendants took over countrol over ILE IFE could come online to BURST THEIR FACTORY FITTED LIES.....Come and tell us if OGISO descendants in BINI truly have anything to do with Odu'a Adimunia /Adimlia. I can't stop laughing at their. I reaffirm that the earlier the better for some LIARS FROM EDO TO STOP IT because they can't distort our history. You do have your own tribes within your place. kindly go through it and restrict your information to Oranmiyan because he was the one that took the word called O-BA to ILE IBINU. Hence, you will have sleepless nights if you desist because we have fact within care to counter your LIES

odigbosky:
Idolise who....bros abeg you know your heritage please let it stop dere. You don't know anything about the Benin palace life so dont say what you don't know. Palace life and rituals in Benin are very secret. when Eweka ll was made king, palace functions where done in the night, it was when a saga occured an the Oba was accused of doing rituals that was when they started doing palace functions and meetings in the day time. Not everything on Wikipedia is correct.

My friend, you think I am one who come online to play politics about a very serious issue as this? I beg to differ. I repeat, Oba BINI see Ooni in the ancient times as God.Ooni was referred to as OGHENE. I can tell you guys categorically as a pure historical information and study carried out to show the superiority of Ooni. This is not another pride or egocentrism but reality. You guys may have been told series of information but the ones I can be verified. Even, one of the most celebrated Explorer in 15th century, in the person of Joao Alfonso 1472 account testified to it that the father of Oba of BINI is in UHE known as Oghene. Ojéjé or Érujéjé. I doubt if you guys really knew the meaning of the reason he was referred to as this name among many names Ooni bore in the past. Fact don't lie.

Opiletool:
LOL!

Yes ooo.Imagine such fallacious information that distort Adimunia's history. The man was associated with Ram killing for sacrifice. Then the man was associated with God of the sky (Eledumare). The method used to worship God is still being done forever to to pay worship God. . The man was associated with the burial of their ancestors/Descendants in an ENGRAVE CIRCLE ROUND his descendants at ILE IFE. The man was associated with IRUNMOLE worshipping. What are these people feeling like? They want glory by force by trying to create a mysterious IZODUWA,, who was chased away because he was a WEAKLING, now metamorphose into a warrior king. Absolute,grade A LIES ... someone like isn't just ordinary Yoruba because I know deep part of my history.....

Konquest:
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Beautiful... Brilliant!


@Olu317

I'd like to know if you are a Professional
Historian in the mould of Prof. Jide Osuntokun
for you to have gotten access to these timeless
Info that you won't find easily in the history
books? I read on another international forum in 2009 that
a National Archive exists in Ibadan where rare
documents can be found.


You are well-read and widely travelled.

All the best.

Hostorian?Yes but not in the like of Prof. Osuntokun because what they look differs from what I researched and still researching . Most of the times, historians of Yoruba extraction don't believe Yorubas are migrants and the ones who believed were not too bold to look at certain tradition which seem not found within the radius of Yoruba neighbourhood to affirm their migration history and they don't do interviews with most people of Yorubas, especially Oooni descendants wherever they are located to hear their own account of their ancestors history but restrict certain information seeking to ILE IFE .This is because people moved into ILE IFE and some still move out through same migration to new places. Perhaps funding could be a problem. Hidden information about Yoruba are been let out gradually despite interactions with each group Yoruba had contact with.... However, I appreciate all these historians because without their effort some more research wouldn't have been done. Take for instance, Samuel Ajayi Crowther's account that blundered and narrated OONI as OWOONI (A supposedly adopted child of Odu'a who takes care of Odu'a shrine) Who does not exist because OBADIO lineage are the ones that are the keeper of Ooni Admlia or Adimunia shrine . Even the so called OGBONI wasn't of Odu'a formation. There are hidden information that would have created more problems about Yoruba society until it was rebranded to be accepted by all. This is the reason OGBONI is under any OBA in his domain and the OBA remain as the head. In Yoruba land,there are different people that became woven into one but the main stock of these people are of Odu'a group.

Opiletool:
Exactly bro. I don't see the need trying to lump some ungrateful and irrational people with us.

Yes ooo, you are correct. Thank God, there is internet in which social media is used to tell our own story by ourselves. They even thought the man generally referred to as Odu'a was identified with with that name, when in fact, he was called different names.... These people called IDU can make me laugh.....Ogiso ko Osigo ni.....

PabloAfricanus:
You miss the point really. And your analogy is off. Yoruba rituals and festivals DO NOT HAVE TO MATCH other people's own for there to be a historical link. The Fulanis that took over Ilorin for example do not have a ritual depicting the battles they fought before they took over the city and established an emirate. Are you aware Alimi provided an escourt to take the Alaafin safely back to Oyo after he was captured by Fulani/Hausa soldiers fighting for Afonja? They told him the Aare was gonna spill the Alaafin's blood for sacrifice and he refused to give him up for that purpose.
So going by your analogy, the Fulani wars with Oyo never took place right?

About Bini and Oduduwa, for starters, if you cared to investigate you would find out that the monarchies in most lands ARE ALMOST ALWAYS FOREIGNERS who where not indigenes in the first place. For example, the royal family of England are not even English, Welsh or Scottish. Same goes for Spain, Netherlands and others.
So your idea of trying to create an exception for Yorubas won't fly because history is not on your side.
All oral and recorded history about Oduduwa repeats one fact, he was welcomed into Ife.

This is a Bini account, referencing with songs and rituals as you expect




And he was NOT FROM Oke-Ora as you like saying all the time, hear it from the Ooni himself

https://www.oonirisa.org/history-of-ile-ife/



So there you have it, Oduduwa arrived with his groups to Ife.
An indigene cannot arrive to a place where he is indigenous to except language has lost its meaning.
The Oduduwa group were not indigenous to Ife according to historical records, here is a editorial by Eluyemi on the Guardian that HAS NOT BEEN CONTESTED

https://guardian.ng/features/ife-coronation-rituals-and-the-primacy-of-history/



The defeated chiefs are even called upon to supply music!
Let's add more fire to the raging discussion, notice Eluyemi did not say Ife’s autochthonous Ugbo population but Ife’s autochthonous Igbo population.
I know some peeps are gonna be like
He was referring to Ugbo in Ilaje right? But was he? That must have been a typo on his part right?

Some Ife historians mix it up half way and can't seem to make up their minds whether it is Ugbo or Igbo.

http://ifeooye..com.ng/2016/03/art-in-ancient-ife-birthplace-of-yoruba.html




Talking about Ugbo, you are going to have to contend with Oba Akinruntan if you want to contest further on Oduduwa's history of not being native to Ife.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/08/27/oba-frederick-obateru-akinruntan-i-am-the-owner-of-ile-ife-i-can-rule-ife-from-my-palace-if-allowed/




Now apparently even Akinruntan bought into the Mecca myth when the proper reference was somewhere to the East. I blame it on literacy or lack of geographical knowledge, as the Mecca fabrication is not only tenable but totally unrealistic IMO.
The point is, it is established that Oduduwa came from somewhere to Ife, was accepted, fought with the native power brokers to establish his dominance and gained ascendancy to start a dynasty.
What you are going to have to prove to me is which independent kingdom goes out to another unrelated kingdom to ask them to supply a king for them if there was no relationship in the first place?
Are you aware of the claims by Ogiamen family in Bini today that the present royal family of Bini are Yorubas and not ethnic Binis? They claim the Oliha back then went to Uhe to bring a Yoruba prince to usurp Ogiamen's authority. History records that the Ogiamen was later defeated and was forced to sell the land symbolically to the new king.
Why did the Oliha have to go to Uhe? Why not Zaria or Bida or Idah?
How did the Oliha manage to convince a notoriously difficult people like the Binis to accept a foreign prince as a king, even when an Ogie was already ruling the land?
So you see, the story is not as simple as you are trying to make it appear.
The history of most peoples in Southern Nigeria is way more related than we care to admit.

With all these you have informed us all about, it still didn't connect ODU'A ancestors tradition of using RAM for sacrifice to IDU,did it ? . Where was Olofin Admilia/Adimunia connected to OGISO? secondly IFE has moved to different locations more than seven times. Otun Ekiti known as OORE , is the first to announce the death of each Oooni, did mentioned that they emerged from the Sea. And he and others are part of the group loyal Odu'a. Odu'a came from the East.. And the East wasn't IKA /IDU/IGODOMIGODO..

helpishere:
I have been looking for a transformer for over 2 hrs and can’t seem to find one. In case you find one in your area, be a brother’s keeper and hug one. You will surely be missed. I am not curious to know your origin but if someone is not proud of his origin, then he has no direction as to his destination. You cannot speak for the Binis and I will beg you to hands off.

Thanks you. I told my ancestors history from what has been passed to me, he said I am boastful. I wonder how some people reason. Thank God that some of us are trying so hard to correct these lies peddled by Oba BINI. Below is the picture of Ooni, which was found in Oba Bini's court. This sculpture showed how Oba BINI reference Ooni and idolised Ooni of IFE. The sculpture is probably a gift sent to Oba BINI or Sculpture carved to reference Ooni.

Opiletool:
No need to argue with you, because you are hell bent on being stupid. And this fool claimed he studied in France, what a waste of money. Just close the thread and your so called foolishness in the guise of logic.
You BINI [yes I call you guys Bini, kill yourself] people can never be at par with us let alone being superior. You answer our names we don't answer your name, you worship our gods we don't worship yours [that is if you have any], we will forever be superior to you because we are bigger and better. If you develop HBP whenever you hear that, then don't you ever start any foolishness by writing any long winded drivel in the name of throwing logic to history, or better still, go and use your ignorance infested logic to tell the history of your people without lumping the Yorubas with your sick generation. Cretin.

Thanks this points posted.Bini worship ESU, OSA, (GOD), OLOKUN, IFA (The one that was taken to IDU by Oranmiyan through his priests). It is because of these nonchalant attitude by the keeper of Yoruba history at ILE IFE that gave some of these Edo paper historians, who knows nothing about the lineage of Oba Owoka in Bini that try to distort history. Other groups in Edo may necessary not be linked to Yoruba except through marriage but BINI is an established kingdom of Yoruba man. And if they chose not to be part of Yoruba, then let us let them be. I am not even supportive of them being part of Yoruba because they are Natural with history distortion.

Konquest:
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@Olu317

Thanks for the insightful
response you posted here.

You made very profound
submissions which indicate that
there are more ties that bind us
together.

I've also always wondered about
how some ethnicities wear their
caps or Gobi like the Yoruba's
who are more clearly identified or defined
with it. Ebiras, Igalas, Jukuns, Idomas,
Gwaris, Tivs, Eggons, etc, all bend
their caps like the Yoruba men
do to their "gobi."

Finally, is there any specific community
you can site that has Igala assimilation
in Yorubaland? Could this be in Kogi/Kwara/Ondo
axis?


Thanks again.

IGALA are also known as IDOKO or AGATU by Yoruba groups, depending on the location within Yoruba land. These people had existed in some areas before the Yoruba people came into contact with them. And they are peaceful people within Yoruba enclave, which was the reason it was easy to assimilate and intermarried to some Yoruba stock. On your question, it is difficult to identify those of them who had married into Yoruba groups but can be identified if deep and thorough research is done. Although ,in the olden days time, Yoruba people were very industrious and well to do. The ones that aren't married into Yoruba groups can still be found in the areas you mentioned. The 60% + Yoruboid classification was as a result of these interaction which has lasted over 400 years contact with Yoruba group. ADO Ekiti's account , ONDO Town's account (ÉKIMOGUN) etc showed that they had contact with IGALA group. All the groups even more like Kanuri, Fulani etc you highlighted had contact with Yoruba.

Efewestern:
just want to deviate a little.

Ogedegbe is an edoid word.

Urhobo Also bears ogedegbe, and it means the same thing, Eastern yorubas were greatly influenced by Edo reason itsekiri and ilajes bear it.

thank me later.

Really?Yoruba's Ogèdègbè or Ogèdèngbè ,either of it is used interchangeably and the nearest interpretation of it “Incantation aided " or “conjured potent words aided". The real meaning is deeper than these interpretation despite the fact that I was economical with it . What is the meaning in Edoid language?

Konquest:
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@IgalaSchool


Good to see you have started this thread.
I've been reading about the Igala people
and history in steady increments since 1991! I find you folks to be a unique
people in the Nigeria because you are
at the epicenter/confluence of a cultural vortex.


The current Attah of Igalaland [HRM
Dr. Michael Idakwo Ameh Oboni] had an interview published on August 26, 2017 in Saturday Punch. He indicated that Igala
language and people evolved from
the migration of a sizeable group of people
from Wukari [Jukunland] in Taraba
and they moved along the confluence
of River Benue to Amagede then to Idah
where they settled and MERGED with a sizeable group or population
of Yoruba people, Bini people, and to some
extent a small group of Ibo.
"So the Wukari migrant population merged
with them to form the language called
Igala as a people."


Wukari Jukun+Eastern Yoruba+Bini/Esan+Ibo
==> [IGALA NATION]



This thread and HRM Attah Michael Ameh
Oboni's interview could well shed more light on why Bowen's research classified
Igala (and Itsekiri) as Yoruboid languages.


I look forward to asking you and Igalas
on Nairaland some questions on
linguistic translations of Igala words.


Let's PUSH this thread to the FRONT
PAGE just like the ITSEKIRI thread
created by @onuwaje ["I Want to Learn Itsekiri Language"].


The Igalas on NL that I have been
following on NL should fall in and
bookmark this thread:@Meilyn, @Revolva,
@McSterling, @omaigala, @ednoville
~~~~~

Some Notable/Popular Igalas:
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[1] Praiz [Praise Egbede Adejo]
He sang "Rich and Famous" in 2014.

[2] Jeff Ufedo Akoh [2015 winner Project Fame]





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HRM Attah Ameh has done some study even if one take away oral account and Art work to have made him arrive at this point. People are really trying so hard to seek out their ancestral origin which is a normal thing to do if one sees the needful of it. It is pertinent to emphasize here that Yoruba had in the past had contact with these people, which could be relatively because of intermarriages and trade. This had been identified through researches and orally transmitted account about these group of people that were largely farmers and fishermen in the olden days time which wasn't too different from the rest of other people. Even if there are differences. Till today, there are even migrants of Igala that have been assimilated one way or the other through intermarriages in Yoruba land. Source of information claimed that they are largely Jukun people with input from other tribes that became settlers within them. There are artifacts of IGALA that were dug out over 50 years ago that has similarity with BINI Art. Many tribes in Nigeria are related via marriages and trade. And by this, the spot of communication of business dealing was indeed around Jebba /Lokoja, in the olden days, when Yoruba beads was highly sorted after. While there were trading off of horses from the Northern part into Yoruba land. The location of trading did facilitated the Yoruboid languages classification of the IGALA .

laudate:
[/quote]Yeah, I am lamenting about my history and so shall it be. But wait a minute, have you for once decided to do DNA test to ascertain from which of this group of Wukari Jukun+Eastern Yoruba+Bini/Esan+Ibo
==> [IGALA NATION] that you actually have more domineering link with? Mon ami, la vie est belle pour tout Yoruba toujours. J'aime Yoruba jusqu'a la fin.


AGAIN AND AGAIN TILL INFINITY ,IDU people can tell their story but not LIES ON OLOFIN ODU'A. Peradventure, laudate isn't comfortable about my lineage and me, then tell God to reverse from me if God did mistake about our own true story. It will do you more good to do self research on your own lineage within IGALA group before engaging me. There is IGALA thread, go through and contribute your own research studies on them. Yoruba blood till the end! Kiss the truth. [quote author=laudate post=62718410]

Yeah, I am lamenting about my history and so shall it be. But wait a minute, have you for once decided to do DNA test to ascertain from which of this group of Wukari Jukun+Eastern Yoruba+Bini/Esan+Ibo
==> [IGALA NATION] that you actually have more domineering link with? Mon ami, la vie est belle pour tout Yoruba toujours. J'aime Yoruba jusqu'a la fin.


AGAIN AND AGAIN TILL INFINITY ,IDU people can tell their story but not LIES ON OLOFIN ODU'A. Peradventure, laudate isn't comfortable about my lineage and me, then tell God to reverse from me if God did mistake about our own true story. It will do you more good to do self research on your own lineage within IGALA group before engaging me. There is IGALA thread, go through and contribute your own research studies on them. Yoruba blood till the end! Kiss the truth.

[quote author=laudate post=62718410][/quote]Yeah, I am lamenting about my history and so shall it be. But wait a minute, have you for once decided to do DNA test to ascertain from which of this group of Wukari Jukun+Eastern Yoruba+Bini/Esan+Ibo
==> [IGALA NATION] that you actually have more domineering link with? Mon ami, la vie est belle pour tout Yoruba toujours. J'aime Yoruba jusqu'a la fin.


AGAIN AND AGAIN TILL INFINITY ,IDU people can tell their story but not LIES ON OLOFIN ODU'A. Peradventure, laudate isn't comfortable about my lineage and me, then tell God to reverse from me if God did mistake about our own true story. It will do you more good to do self research on your own lineage within IGALA group before engaging me. There is IGALA thread, go through and contribute your own research studies on them. Yoruba blood till the end! Kiss the truth.

lovely piece . Showcasing this enlightens the readers about Owo history. Kudos

odigbosky:
Bros since u re his drscendant.....where did he come from, dont tell me heaven oooo bcus dat one na film.....ehen, the Olugbo of Ugbo said they own ife and oduduwa was a foreigner who drove them away...i watched it on TV bros.

Yeah I recall that part of the story that Olugbo mentioned. it may sound really funny but the truth is that blundered because his ancestors were priests and leader but he lied about his ancestors owing the whole part of ILE IFE because all the hamlets and villages or better still quarters were independent from one and another. They were jointly ruled by AGBA ILU. Odu'a descendant ruled before Obamakin Osangan took over after Ogun who was the regent Oooni went on war prosecution and stayed in Saki, where he died . It was after this that Obamakin seize power but was later force into exile .This is the reason Olugbo want recognition and to disassociate from being addressed as people from the Eastern Nigeria that identifies with such name into today's country called Nigeria.

odigbosky:
Bros since u re his drscendant.....where did he come from, dont tell me heaven oooo bcus dat one na film.....ehen, the Olugbo of Ugbo said they own ife and oduduwa was a foreigner who drove them away...i watched it on TV bros.

Smiling while typing this. Adimlia / Adimunia or Odu'a as fondly called didn't come from heaven. The error of today's Yorubas was the same nearly all of them did in the ancient times. And this is not documenting properly their migration pattern. Orun didn't mean only heaven if you know some verse in Odu IFA. However, certain tradition of the man identified as Odu'a and how worship God is the clue to where he came from. I have mentioned them in the past.

odigbosky:
Ehn bros....that changing of name u said is wrong oooo....what Oronmiyan said was ile Ibinu....Different people had names for what we now call Benin. What the citizens called it was Igodomigido. Oba Ewedo whose mother was either an itsekiri or ilaje woman because history says he spent time in the riverine communities before taking the throne had his followers call Igodomigido Bini. The Ikas and Aniomas call Igodomigido IDU, the Urhobos call Igodomigido AKA....yorubas call it ADO.....Oba Ewuare changed the name to Edo which we still answer till date....The Name Benin came to be when the Portuguese picked it up from the itsekiris.

You are right about ule ibinu. I only slightly skip the process at which the name changed to present day BINI . Thanks anyway

laudate:
You have often poked your nose into matters that don't concern you, by dragging other people's names, into a subject that has nothing to do with them.

You also talk too much, and you keep rattling on like someone in pain. You do not even know my ancestry and you are delving into the realm of conjecture. Na wa, o! Oya, write another long epistle since you appear to love such things. It appears you get a high from engaging in strange arguments.

I get high? I thank God that am always high about correcting the distortion of my ethnicity history. And what have you done to show your love for your ethnicity? Proudly Yoruba.

laudate:
Chai!! See how pained you are. Try not to cry too much. For your information, Laudate is a complete Nigerian with ties to various minority groups in different parts of Nigeria. Now, provide solid evidence to show where I stated in black and white that I was Igala. Don't tell lies, o! True Yorubas that I know, are modest and do not boast or beat their chests, to prove their heritage. Only God knows where your own brand comes from.

I boast? Is that all you can think of? Come up with any other one. Pained me? I laughed reading this uncontrollably .How on earth can you figure a boastful person passing information that had been in the hidden for years beyond Nigeria's existence. I have given certain information about Ooni lineage worship which you can not easily find on Google or any other documented history. If God see me as boastful, I doubt if I will be a member of that lineage .Anyway, it is beyond you. Enjoy yourself .

nobaga:
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

They will not accept being called Yoruba because they from the LAND OF REDDISH COLOUR. It is obvious that these people don't like to associate with Yoruba and I solely support it. Ever since the BINI stopped the Yoruba language in 1934 as a franca lingual in their king's court, it was obvious they intend to stand on their own. So let us let them be. After all ,Yoruba Kingdoms and cities will keep getting bigger and robust while BINI will figure it out with almighty Eledumare. Any stream that forget its source dries up. Period.

lx3as:
Until you people engaged in more researches then your hearts will be open to knowledge!

Some scholars of history have failed because they allowed emotions to be cloud there beliefs and some are lazy and proposed rubbish which they taught their students.

Findings over the time have pointed out that there was not just one Oduduwa nor one Oranmiyan. These later became titles and names that many rulers and princes beared or adopted in Ife, hence the confusion.

Just like the OP wrote, there are some oral traditions that pointed to creation of the World in Ife; there are some that point to migrations from the East with earliest one from probably from Mesopotamia (with some religious people erroneously pointing to Mecca and Israel) and others from Egypt, Cush, Spain through Morocco. They are all correct depending on the one you choose to believe.

This information showed near perfection with your careful perspective. The only place I slightly disagree is with Oranmiyan. There was only one Oranmiyan. Just like there was only one Orangun. Lastly, Yoruba were once called Usere —magbo and Odu'a. The latter name stuck....

laudate:
I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are the one with ego my friend because YOU ARE NOT EVEN BINI. What concerns you? Lastly, if Ooni can correct anomalies in the past in Yoruba land ,why wouldn't any Yoruba man stop distortion. Even Present Ooni Ogunwusi countered Oba BINI on who Odu'a personality was before he was rightly told by the kingmakers to ignored Oba BINI on such matters. Since you have decided to show case your talent here, then you must be very deep with history .Kindly be proud of your identity because it is self dignifying. Please show your talent by letting us know you if you are conversant with others history. Lastly, I have made my point, so enjoy the bitter truth....Bon weekend. Proudly Yoruba

laudate:
I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are the one with ego my friend because YOU ARE NOT EVEN BINI. What concerns you? Lastly, if Ooni can correct anomalies in the past in Yoruba land ,why wouldn't any Yoruba man stop distortion. Even Present Ooni Ogunwusi countered Oba BINI on who Odu'a personality was before he was rightly told by the kingmakers to ignored Oba BINI on such matters. Since you have decided to show case your talent here, then you must be very deep with history .Kindly be proud of your identity because it is self dignifying. Please show your talent by letting us know you if you are conversant with others history. Lastly, I have made my point, so enjoy the bitter truth....Bon weekend. Proudly Yoruba

laudate:
I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are

laudate:
I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You are the one that need relevance! Of course I don't. I came online here to silence LIARS and paper researchers of your likes. Long epistles indeed? Are you so damn ashamed to write about your IGALA ANCESTRY or where ?Come up and be bold about it. On my information, is to correct anomaly as it regard Yorubas history,which is perfectly NORMAL. Kindly do that about Your history too if need be. I wish you knew how hard I have been laughing at your Town Crier's attitude. Proudly Yoruba. And you are proudly who?