₦airaland Forum

SuperS1Panther:
Yeah you are right.

He was part of the refugees fleeing from the killing machines from Fouta Jallon.

The problem with Abdul Kadri, Alimi's son was that he was brainwash when he went to learn Quranic knowledge under the Sultanate at the North. He was a half Yoruba(his mother) and half Mahlian. This was an easy ride for him because of his Yoruba link. And from this, Afonja was rebelled against. And it done on the refugee citizens that a warrior like Afonja couldn't be killed but he was killed . Thereafter, they Ilorin was temporary lost until other Yoruba in Ilorin discovered, it was not true that God sent Alimi's descendants because JUJU(VOODO) they condemn, was used against them and they were defeated in 1840.That was the end of them. Oyo was collecting tributes from them after that because some of their major warriors captured by combination of Ibadan warriors and other Yorubas.As far as Ilorin is concerned, it is Yoruba land Nigeria is what gave the Alimi's descendants an edge. However, we don't hate them but they must follow the rules and regulations of Yoruba land. Let me critically emphasise here, that there is no iota of doubt that few Ilorin apologists exist here and Alimi's descendants. It is noteworthy that we all can live in peace and harmony with ourselves but the anomalies need be corrected in Ilorin.

SuperS1Panther:
You are absolutely right.

The Alimi descendants will either relocate back to Fouta Jallon or renounce their lineage and an Oba must be installed alongside the Emir.

Alimi was not foutah Jallon. Verify his history. The man was from Mahli.

forgiveness:
OPC dey warri upon the bragado of the Ijaws.

As you rightly said in the last paragraph, if they join ND, it's suicide. Urhobo and Ijaws will send them to extinction. They are pretty well aware hence their coalition with Afenifere and OPC.

Are you sure OPC are in Warri?

AshiwajuFoward:
There's only ONE particular ethnic group that I feel we must actively be wary of. No other ethnic group has insulted us more or shown as much contempt towards us in our own space/land than them. You welcome them and sell land to them in a spirit of openness and they turn back around and throw it in your face that you are 'lazy', that you owe your very existence to them, and that just coz you sold land to them they have every right to insult you and insult your culture and way of life. I think the rest can be reasoned with and accommodated coz even now they don't drag with us or disrespect us in our land. That's just my opinion.

That is the blunder most of us Yoruba make. These other people that we helped shape their lives are not worth been engaged because they are ALL LESSEE UNDER THE LESSOR. Let them continue to make mockery of themselves, wherever they have acquired land. They remain PERMANENT TENANTS ON YORUBA LAND. So, why worry yourself when you know accurately that these people only boast but and bark like a dog that can't go near the DEN OF A LION. Feel the feeling of a princely blood in you always because Our ancestors are divine beings.

omohayek:
Don't worry, not all of us are hardliners! Besides, it's one thing to advocate such harsh measures in a vacuum, and another thing to get them passed when you have to deal with millions of voters whose families will be personally affected. I just don't ever see a situation where the Yoruba majority will sit by and accept the forced deportation of their wives, husbands, cousins, old friends and trusted colleagues.

I also understand where the desire for a hard policy comes from, but I don't think there's a need to apply it universally and blindly to get the same effect. Something as simple as saying "You can't hold simultaneously hold our citizenship and that of X", while imposing a Yoruba-language fluency condition, would easily achieve much the same result, without needlessly expelling people who are not only friendly but have valuable skills and resources to contribute.

Kindly help appeal to other Yoruba here to sheath their anger over other tribes that have been doing evil against Yorubas. Beside, Yorubas married a lot of people from different part of the present day Nigeria. My own family is extremely guilty of such cases. And where do they want to push those one's cousins that had lived or even born in Yoruba land ? My take is that, we should find a way to disgust towards all but be very proactive in dealing with offenders.

shukuokukobambi:
The clown is just jealous and bitter that a thread on here can flow so seamlessly and in a cerebral fashion without fights even with the minorities posting and querying the position of some posters. If na some, the posts by laudate and efewestern would have elicited serious and aggressive negative reactions

That is the sophistication of the Yoruba that riles haters. The ability to tolerate opposing views without getting angry or overtly emotional. That's why the Mid-west could vote to leave the west, despite Enahoro and Rewane's protestations, and the members of the regional assembly gave them a standing ovation at the last sitting. Yoruba support freedom. Freedom of religion, thought, political views etc

Edumare bless us all here and everywhere

Can't explain it better than you did. And Ashé to your prayer

deedeedee1:
If that is the case, then the ijaws should go back to their land

You people are something else oooh. Habah A fi suuru.

Efewestern:
now you just gave me work to do , will research on that war, gat some elderly itsekiri men as friends, As for the Ijo in ondo I still believe they have nothing in common with yoruboid, Yoruba connection ends in itsekiri, those ijo enclave migrated there even up till now they still maintain the ijaw dialect with no mixture of Yoruba in it. Their dialect is very similar to the one spoken in Delta state, so I still believe ijo in ondo are not yoruboid.

Well,you need to do the research on it. Then, it seems you are speculating your opinion as regard Arugbo ijo or some other research work done is false. Anyway, some of research work done on Itsekiri and her neighbours can be seen in a blog called :globalpeacearithmetic. blog.com. I read some information about Niger delta environs and they are insightful.

deedeedee1:
Those ijaw guys murdered many of our people ikorodu and arepo last year.
They dont like us. See what jonathan did in his regime. How many yorubas where included in his administration? See what asari dokubo says about Yoruba people.
Anything Ijaw must not be allowed in our midst.
They should all Bleep off!!!

I heard about the Ikorodu killing. But don't give in to such disturbances because there are Yoruba among those guys. No man can enter into another mighty man's territory without an insider. We need to checkmate most of our Yoruba folks, Who are negatively dining and whining with these people. Honestly, I mingle with other tribes but always with caution because they are always quick to condemn my ethnicity and decide to show love towards me which at every point I hit hard on them with my own perspective toward their tribes Who is the fool, if someone condemn my ethnicity and show love toward me? However, belonging to the intelligentsia group is all that is needed to nib it on the board with proper analysis to stop the problem from escalating beyond control . If there are local policing within every community with sophisticated equipment, such killing or maiming won't take place. Then, how do we deal with the few elements within arugbo ijo people in Ondo?. It is important to note that not all within Arugbo ijo are ijo descendants. We can't chase them away nor commit genocide against them because it isn't part of Yoruba history. We are only used to self defense before rooting our enemies off the ground at every point in time in our history. So, how do you want to chase away people that had/still intermarring Yorubas within Ondo enclave. After all ,Egun/Ogu are also in Yoruba land and each group knows her boundary. Let's eschew intolerance but be, security conscious and be disciplined.Lastly,live and let others live is our ancestors way of life. And we can't change from such way of life.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Bola Ige the Cicero, Gani Fawehimi the Senior Advocate of the Masses, not forgetting Chief FRA Williams. Those were Yoruba legal titans.
Ki Olorun ba wa te won si afefe ire.

Amin.You are very correct. I haven't found any Yoruba of sort in this current generation, Who is as renowned as Chief Gani Fawehinmi or even having some sort of lion's heart as the man had.

Efewestern:
Can you provide a reference regarding the Kirji war, just hearing of such for the first time, no doubt the itsekiri are yoruha descendants but the people you call itsekiri today are collection of people who where united by a bini prince. need I remind you that most itsekiri communities claim direct connection with ijebu and others ilaje, why some claim few migrated from igala. so you see.

the itsekiri speak a language of yours but differ from you, they don't have same culture as you, don't behave as you, even the ilaje culture is entirely different from the ones in ogun.

I think I find it offensive trying to claim ijaw clan in ondo as Yoruba, those are ijaw migrant and their language is no way related to Yoruba, have met many of them.

I made reference to it because of the record on history. In as much as , I don't want to engage people on historical connection to war on this forum because of the objective herein. Still on it, you can find written document to verify it and visit these environment to enquire; IFe, Ijebu and Ode Itsekiri(the elderly ones with knowledge on history) etc . Yoruba history showed who fought on both side. There was a treaty signed under the British colonialist during the war.Under the Balogun Onafowokan, was the whole soldiers from Ijebu – Itsekiri enclave fought. Some of the warriors came via itsekiri because of their expertise on bow and arrow. Then, on the Ijaw migrants to Ondo axis,can be clearly emphasize here that they speak Yoruboid language. This showed there that many are of Yoruba ancestry. Notwithstanding, I don't have disagreement against the identity they claim, because every human being has right to self identify. But I was just emphasising the difference between ijo in Ondo and the proper ijo in Bayelsa and its environs.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
If the Itsekiri's say that they are not Yoruba's, then they are not Yoruba. Let us respect thier decision

Please I beg you remove Arogbo Ijaw from your equation. Apologies to Omoyele Sowere and the few noble Arogbo Ijaw guys, but majority of them are Militants. are I am even of the opinion that Ese-Odo LG of Ondo be carved to Delta State.

Ajakpa, Bolowo, Akotogbo, Zion Church etc are all den of Miitants. Those criminals will give us trouble if we include in our prospective Yoruba Country.

Are you saying because, some Arugbo descendants are a notorious, we should ignore them? The militancy you so mentioned isn't different from some street gangster like the ones troubling Ikorodu. We can contain every one within Yoruba enclave, Who isn't law abiding. And on the Itsekiri case, I don't believe in forceful subjugation. And if they seem good with their Niger delta, then no problem. I am only stating the evidence on ground.

shukuokukobambi:
The reasonable conclusion is that: they will decide what they want when the time comes.

I agree to your opinion.

laudate:
You have a point. Folks like us would become 'visitors' or 'strangers', if that policy of non-Yorubas in the SW region is enforced, despite our length of stay and years of residence in places like Lagos.

of course not once you can do the needful (get a Yoruba wife). On a serious note, I don't share outrightly banning as it seems because once you have what it takes to bring value to our nation ,why not? I am a hardened conservative but give wisdom to rule my decision. So ,once you are willing to support our dream and aspirations, you will be allowed to naturalized as It fit in to my own “opinion".

Efewestern:
Believe me the itsekiris don't see themselves as Yoruba.. yes they speak similar language with you, bear similar names with you.. but hey that doesn't make them Yoruba. Itsekiri is itsekiri, Yoruba is Yoruba. and I think itsekiri are more connected with ondo (Ilaje) than those from Lagos.

Wow I love the comments here, glad you guys love and respect minorities, Good to know.

cc: onuwaje
frathermathy
Sanchez01
wirinet

Sorry for the late response, it was due to anti spamming stuff. Precisely to your perspective as it seems, on itsekiri people,the reality is that it was Nigeria created that it has taken away such opinion and people's identity from the new generation. Let me inform you that itsekiri fought on behalf of ILE IFE /Ekiti parapo during kiriji war. BINI didn't because it was not with any might. So, I understand your point but in truth they are largely Yoruba descendants. And if you say, they identify with Ondo axis, what grouping are the people in Ondo axis, especially the mentioned clans of yours? Even Arugbo/apoi in Ondo state speak Yoruboid language but claims Ijo (Izon/Ijawa). There is more that meet the eyes.

raumdeuter:
There are cultures in the world who respect diplomacy, there are cultures who only respect brute force, What they cant try in their land, they throw it to us and they know we will try to act sophisticated and shitt

Abia sacked people from other states no one complained, Fashola shipped like 20 people everyone went up in arms cursing Yoruba people. Priests from Imo rejected priests from Anambra yet they feel they should be given rights in Yorubaland.

Why do you think they dont step to Hausas but they see Yorubas as their toothpicks

Mon Dieu, c'est grave... These people are worth been monitored on Yoruba soil so as to continue to give reorientation to them for conformity.

@ Intrepid01, I still see the bitterness in the write up of some of our brothers on here. You raised a valuable perspective, which needed be placed in consideration. And it is about equity, fairness and assimilation of people willing to naturalized. This will bring in different ideology although must be positive which must add value to our polity.

Obaluf0n:
Egbon, I am sure you're aware Yoruba culture the patrilineal takes precedence in consideration of one's roots. What people want to know is your ile baba.

Let me also add that such offsprings can not or will find it very difficult to ascend the throne and the prince/ss status will not hold much weight.

ofcourse it is impossible because patrilineal is the head within Yoruba enclave. And that wasn't the reason for the questions but the manner at which our brother had seen every person from the “Eastern side," to compulsorily seek a visa before entry to Yoruba land. This was the point I was trying to raise. Do you even know there was a time when “her" wasn't been used for Nigeria. If you recall the Nigeria's anthem's stanza, You will understand. Shouldn't we begin to think in this direction,since it is a patrilineal arrangement? ...

raumdeuter:
In most cases children in Africa owe their loyalty to their fathers side and carry their fathers last name, That is why every African man desires a male child.

In the case of say a war vs his fathers side, will you trust this person to lead troops and serve Yorubaland?

In this case regardless of their Yoruba ancestry he also has Ibo ancestry and probably has an Ibo name. So do you see a situation where a person whose last name is Chukwuma will be the crown prince or governor of Ogun state. Unless this person will stay, never aspire to own land, never aspire for polical office, swears his undivided allegiance to Yorubaland and have a traditional ruler in Yorubaland or High chief attest to his loyalty

You know the death of Princess Diana some believed was due to her relationship with the son of Harrods owner Al Fayed and the suspicion of her being pregnant for him . So Prince William future king of England and head of the Anglican church will have an Arabian half brother who can also lay claims to the British royalty on account of his mother. You see how complicated this can be.

America is a country of immigrants, Unlike Africa where we have indigenous people

sealed.

raumdeuter:
Most of Africa is patrimonial, Even in Nigeria currently. We get our identity from our fathers side. Thats why you bear your fathers last name not your mothers. In your example that child is an Ibo child. and he should find his fathers house.

He can be allowed to stay but the loyalty of this type of person will always be suspect and I dont think that type of person should hold any political power unless he can totally denounce his fathers side of it

The lessons we learned from the Nigeria 57yrs shouldnt be repeated. There are people who hate us from the bottom of their heart and we have no reason to be nice to them

I understand your fear but you only treated this issue from the surface. With due respect, this family ,the man's whose mother was a princess in one Yoruba town had inheritance from his mother's side and he was the only surviving male out of 12 children of her mother until his died in his 60s. He has an older sister who is still alive. Do you see any way such children can send packing, considering their vast Yoruba ancestry? In Yoruba land, mothers have right to children as fathers.

SuperS1Panther:
You must be a toddler or or newbie on NL.

Where were you in 2008/09 when the likes of Chino started attacking Yorubas?

Where were you in 2011?

Kindly ignore distraction. Don't engage anyone who isn't about being proactive to Yoruba's agenda. And infer your point that we can gain excessively from.


Cheers bro

raumdeuter:
Bros I totally disagree with you. The Yoruba nation will do well to know who to include and who to exclude, There are many friendly groups to Yorubas in Nigeria we can include like the Edos Itshekiri Ebira, etc

Ibo are allowed visitors in the new nation but must be on a valid visa.

Regarding the example you gave about the Ibo man in Ibadan, YES he will relocate back to his fathers compound wherever it is in Iboland. He is a guest here and will remain such. Anyone in the new nation must be able to trace his grand fathers compound (Agbo-ile) to a place in Yorubaland

We will only be open to friendly communities and our experience in the Nigerian experiment has shown us the evil neighbours and the well meaning neighbors

We have 3 generations of Edo, Hausas Isoko etc in Yorubaland, How many of them have ever called our homeland a no mans land, How many of them had the effrontery to insult our leaders and rulers the way some have. Ile ton toro, omo ale ibe ni koti dagba. A house is peaceful because the bastard hasnt grown up.

If you are a Christian, read about the Israelites that failed to rid some of the Cannanites from their land and hat those Cannanites grew up to be several centuries later, If we are going forward with this, we shouldnt set a trap for our great grand children to inherit the problems we had to deal with

Yoruba ronu o

I know a man whose father was Ibo and got married to Yoruba princess . Where do you send such children to if they claim their mother's lineage? Have you given such a thought?. And sometimes, such children can either glorify their mother's side during unrest or betray. How would such case be treated?

emmasege:
Oonirisa is the full pronunciation for Ooni of Ife, also known as Arole O'odua. As a matter of fact Ooni's palace is called Ile O'odua (O'odua's House))

That is not going to be possible. There are other kings that will feel cheated over this. It will be messy. There isn't any iota of doubt that Ooni own the oldest crown and is the sit of power of Olofin Adimula but other Obas will grumble at this and this might bring some sort of discord among all the people of different clans in Yoruba land. A lot of Yoruba have failed to realize that the reason Alaafin is angry is because Oyo's might and glory are not been placed affront in the like manner, Ooni's stool is been adored. This is the bone of contention and until the wise men within the Yoruba world understand that, each Yoruba enclave with her King should be promoted alongside the clan's beautiful heritage, while Ooni hold his supreme position as the head King. Truthfully all Obas will always play their role but not in politics. The people/citizens must own the political power.

sukkot:
strong points but the oduduwa gatekeepers have to be removed. these people are also corrupt. its like doing the same thing and expecting a different result. you need personnel change and draconian laws drafted to keep people in check and you need to make a few examples out of some people jerry rawlings style and be ready at all times to use violence to keep looters in check. thats the only way to fix the rotten state we have all become. anything short of that and this proposal is just like putting plaster on a bullet wound

Jerry Rawling in Yoruba world will be suicidal. Let us not kill ourselves because of corruption but banishment of some kind in a confined cell over a long period of time. While stripping such fellow the accorded right of Odu'a land. And we must truncate the evil minded from holding any meaningful position. I strongly believe with time, reorientation of the mass populace will take away any form of irresponsibility in a large scale.

Omofunaab2:
I was a guest on nairaland for so many years, my abode then was the culture and politics section. But later i noticed some monikers were no more contributing.. I didn't quite understand until recently when laudate addressed the issue, he said many complained about the mods not being fair.


The thread that was deleted was so important that i had to call the attention of my friends that were not on nairaland to it... For God's sake that was a thread were people contributed intelligently without insulting minority tribes.. Infact we had meaningful contributions from people from other tribes. People like Efewestern and yungmilli contributed, and for once i was able to understand the itsekiri's angle to an oduduwa nation..


What's nairaland's priority? Do you want threads were people will contribute and parents will tell their children to visit the thread and learn more about their region, tribe? Or you want threads were we keep insulting the hell out of each other?

Today, Many people are tribalists on nairaland not because they wanted to but because the mods didn't do their job in the first place. There was no level playing ground, this disgusted me a lot, Of course many of us couldn't have sat down and allow some mor.ns insult the hell out of our tribe in which many of us hold dearly.


This is the Internet, if we keep replying hatred with love, war with peace, insults with moral talks, many years from now, our children will be left ashamed of their fathers and mothers when they later come across threads were igbos were abusing their tribes or telling lies and their fathers couldn't refute anything. . .Our fathers instilled cultural and ethnic pride in us but it's a pity that today Many yorubas don't have pride, our fathers dream was for an independent country and not the one Nigeria nonsense people like sarrki preach all about.. Our fathers wanted development and unity of the yoruba race... You are first a yoruba man before being a Nigerian.


Seun needs to redefine the vision and mission of nairaland.. if you want a nairaland where numerous threads about Nnamdi kanu forming Slay Queen upandan are gracing the front page or threads were people of thoughts discuss the future of their tribe and development.

Do you want a nairaland where we continue shouting Igbo and afonja without making meaningful contributions?

Do you want a nairaland where half of all topics on the politics section is about Biafra, igbos whereas topics that tends to form ethnic consciousness devoid of hatred are being deleted?

Do you want threads of people that ought to be in the shadows but trending on nairaland over gucci?


Oro ibi bayii ti su mi

Dear bro, the way you feel is the way many of us feel and words can't be used irresponsibly on this forum because of the sense of maturity and Omoluabi's status. Everyone of us can't be denied of self pride and expression regardless our diverse perspectives. They can hold onto to their hammer and strike down our opinions on NL but can't take away YORUBAISM ideology inside our HEARTS.

Origamist:
the funny thing is that while that thread got deleted,there are some meaningless threads still surviving in this section.

Yes ,you are very correct about some meaningless thread still been left on this forum. Perhaps, it soothes some of the mode to allow Biafra hung their opinion and showcase their breakaway nation. And nobody within Yoruba enclave or other groups would be allowed to express probability if need be. The bitter truth is that no properly thinking person wouldn't prefer a Nigeria if everything works. Who will even care where the president comes from if all citizens have equal rights and access to basic things of life? Let 'em continue with such perpetual ignorance to the reality of life. It is just a saying that; A fool, who think that someone else is a fool, will never realise, he is the big fool until, his foolishness is made known among the midst of his follow fools, where all of the opportunity by the fool and his legion of fools to earn a knowledge would have been thrown to the foolish Pit .

deedeedee1:
Ooduapathfinder can you open another thread? Let us see if they will delete it again.

Do you think it is worth it? A normal human being wouldn't. It is nothing but the truth. It will take an extraordinary man to do such. Even I, don't subscribe for reopening of a new thread on such sensitive Yoruba matter. Beside, it seems it is a deliberate intention to shut it down because, such avenue won't give room for any recognition of deranged attitudes as being seen on other threads, where hatred SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.

Origamist:
Are the mods deleting Yoruba threads? Or am the one imagining it?
I tried checking the Constitution draft thread created by ooduapathfinder this morning.I could not find.
Same with mayoroflagos's thread.

I spent close to 1hour looking for the thread. I had thought it was joke until I discovered it was deleted. These mods need serious whooping.. If it were to be some other folks chanting their glorified dreamland, it wouldn't be deleted. Double standard is been used on here.

AshiwajuFoward:
The thing really pained me to the bone, I swear. And when someone opened a thread earlier in protest against the unnecessary and unwarranted deletion of that harmless thread, the mods deleted that thread too. Why? We were only discussing about how best to unite under a draft regional constitution. I just don't understand.

This is one thing that cannot happen in western world. How on earth would such thread on Yoruba emancipation be deleted? Anyway it is a Nigeria's disease.

deedeedee1:
Seun, why did you guys delete ooduapathfinder's thread?
This is annoying

I just can't believe on any given genuine reason for the deleted thread of oduapathfinder except such directive was from the SOURCE ITSELF. And that is the only thread I saw structural opinions being deliberated upon. It is actually unnecessary for deleting it.

HopeAtHand:
May God punish you a million times if you've ever commented on a Biafra, SS or SE thread when not invited. As if commenting there is your priority.

I say AMEEEN to your PRAYERS IF I EVER COMMENT NEGATIVELY AGAINST YOUR AGITATION FOR YOUR BIAFRA BUT AS A TRUE SON OF YORUBA LAND, AS I AM WITHOUT HAVING HATRED TOWARD YOUR AGITATIONS, THEN IT IS WELL WITH ME..
NOW REVERSE THE INSULT ON YOURSELF AS AN IPOB MEMBER

I infer that you PLACE SUCH CAUSE ON YOURSELF IF YOU ARE AS UPRIGHT AS I AM...... I am % bold and confident you as an IPOB can't do such in this LIFE OR NEXT LIFE..



DIFFERENCE IS CLEAR between you and I.... inferiority complex infested personified is WHO YOU ARE.