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laudate:
Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Oya, have the floor and continue wailing. I have never expressed an opinion about Odua, so what are you going on about?

Go ahead and showcase Your Own ancestral lineage or tribe. Perhaps, you will b the one to show your talent. What concerns me if IDU descended from sky or Igala from Nok or wherever anyone chooses to identify with? If anyone wants to to identify with Yoruba ancestors, so be it but drag my ancestors not into it. Edo who have intermarried in Lagos,Ekiti or anywhere in Yoruba land can so choose to come forth and be proud of it as I am proud of my Race. Yoruba don't distort history but dem dem do. Furthermore , you drag yourself into this which resulted into Odu'a issue,have you forgotten? And because you assumed the position of a good sympathizer, which seems very wrong because you are not informed as to the reasons for my opinion and you have Learned either you like it or not as it stand. And if you disagree as I can perceive until I am proven otherwise,at least others have learnt too. Perhaps, you can do DNA to verify if you are Yoruba descendant too. Who knows?

KingSango:
You are not challenging what I posted because you admit the Ooni is appointed. To be appointed means there exists a higher authority to appoint the Ooni, which would be Oranmiyan the baba of the Alaafin Sango.

I understand the clash between Oyo and Ife. Oyo is Islamic and Ife is Christian, neither religion belong in the picture. When are yall going to become fearless and claim Ifa as your official religion the way Benin Republic does with Vodoun? Baba Sango allow his wives to pray in the front row and people got upset. Without the Yoruba woman there is no civilization. Baba Sango has said the two faiths have long worn out their welcome. Corruption everywhere because of Islam and Christianity which is fueling this nonsense about who is the true ruler of all Yorubas. The Alaafin is the official ruler of Oyo Empire and there is no Ile Ife empire its just a town. Long live both the Alaafin of Oyo and the Ooni of Ile Ife.

Ase

Love Sango

Didnt challenge your post? I mocked you because you read from afar. And you seek only what you wished existed which is not true. Oranmiyan ruled ILE IFE. So get your facts right. Obadio family are the ones that keeps the shrine of Odu'a. All Ooni are descendants of Odu'a apart from Osangangan (Obamakin). You are not too conversant with Yoruba history like I had mentioned but based your storyline on Samuel Ajayi Crowther epic tale. Otun is in present day Ekiti , the Oore of otun is the one that was part of the entourage that buried Odu'a and he remain the only one that announces the death of all Ooni. So go ask these people and stop distortion. ILE IFE, was not meant to become an empire because it was the spiritual home from where the present day Yoruba settled down before new migration. Oranmiyan founded oyo and he was the first Alaafin as you claimed. In fact the is no controversies over such and he was the fifth or sixth Ooni of IFE. His descendant was, Ooni Lajamisan ,whose descendants rules ILE IFE and till today,they are still in charge .. And who told you many Oonis weren't warriors or spiritual sound before being made Ooni ? Go to ILE IFE, and , you will find many stories to nullify your view.

dedugba:
I am beginning to feel slightly concerned with the HIGH public appearance of this revered monarch, isn't it becoming excessive that he is every where? i hope his respect and relevance would not be diminished, when i look at the oba of benin and contemplate the rareness of his public appearance and speech my respect for him grows.

Feel not uncomfortable because he represents the Yoruba in South America ,North America, central America, Europe, Asia , part of West Africa and everywhere they may be found... It is always breathtaking seeing the son of God,who is the number one representative of the children of God.....So awesome to behold.

laudate:
You are still here belly-aching? The day you decide to make sense, then you can call me...for now, please go and lament in your little corner, since you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Make sense to you ? What sense do I need to instil into you so that you can learn to accept truth from ILE IFE and the man's descendants? What digression again? OK! Do BINI prince or king bear Ologun? The descendants of Ologun kutere is the ruling house of iduganran /Obun Eko. Show me names associated with them that is of Edo ancestry. Ponder over this as long as any story of EKO ILE is concerned. And on Odu'a, you have no goddamned fact but opinion, which is understandable but kindly keep it to yourself because it holds no water.

KingSango:
Because he loathes history being distorted. And I hate any that are going against Baba Sango. Yoruba people are indebted to the royal family of Oyo for giving you the richest culture in West Africa. The Oyo family is the direct line of Oduduwa. Oranyiyan appointed the Ooni as chief of the town and heritage keeper of Yoruba people. This because the Ooni is chosen by the Gods to be a sacred white chief. There is only one Ooni so its not a low position. Long live the Ooni. May the Gods bring Yoruba people closer in unity in these changing times.

Ase

Love Sango

Mr man, your lies is unequalled. Oranmiyan didn't only appoint oonis but even made all of them as Eunuch. Nonsense post. You better go to ILE IFE and learn about ILE IFE history. Continue your ignorance and base your info on Samuel Ajayi crowther's Oyo history at your own peril. All these online cum paper and wiki learners. So pathetic at this distortion.

MayorofLagos:
(1) Before Afonja uprising what role did Ilorin play in history of Yorubaland?

It was the cosmopolitan urban center of Yoruba Culture. The gateway into Yoruba. It was under the ruling authority of Alaafin. It was at a confluence of trade routes into Ashanti, Kordofan, Mali, Yauri, Kano, Nupe....

Naturally, Alaafin placed in there a tax collector.....but because it also housed spies and agents of enemy kingdoms it called for a military outpost as well. The Aare Ona Kakanfo used to domicile in Oyo. The ambitious expeditions of Aare was one too many and on the edge....reason he was relocated to Ilorin.

Now, who were the people in Ilorin? Fulani was amongst the people It was predominantly Yoruba but others lived there as well....citizens of Baruba, Yauri, Tapa, Mali, Hausa and so on but Fulani was there as well. They were Islamic clerics and did not nurse the either of war against Oyo. Afonja was the one who warred against Oyo, he had warriors but not enough number to overrun Oyo...this is where Alimi came in.


(2) The Ilorin warriors were led by Yorubas. They were trained the art of war strategies under the Eso but it just happened they were staged in Ilorin, and not in Oyo itself.

(3) Specific to your referenced period, Ibadan was fighting wars with many different nations simultaneously. The army was stretched and the strategy was defense of Ibadan, not occupation of another land. So what gains were there for them in securing Ilorin? At that point in time, none!

(4) in Jalumi war, which you left out, Ibadan succeeded in pushing Ilorin out completely and back to Ilorin. In hindsight they should have chased after them and complete their retreat out of Ilorin and to the other side of Niger, but that was not expedient at the time tue to their many campaigns against others.

(5) Let's be proud of Ibadan and give credit in recognition of their valour.
What stopped Ijesha, Ijebu, Egba, Offa and others from marching up to Ilorin to chase fulani out? Why does it have to be Ibadan fighting the enemy? Matter of fact while Ibadan was battling Ilorin, other Yoruba nations were battling Ibadan.

The loss of Ilorin is a shame on Yoruba generally, not just Ibadan.

(6) Ilorin never again dared Ibadan or any Yoruba town after Jalumi. In the aftermath and after Afonja had been killed, they created a political class to rule over them and the title was Oba of Ilorin.

(7) The rule by proxy introduced by British did not respect history or ethnic, they pretty much were interested in heirarchy order and how to class that heirarchy for effective control and indirect rule of the grassroot. The heirarchy in Ilorin wore a turban, not a crown as Yoruba Obas do and so Ilorin was classed into turban wearing heirarchies.

Similar thing happened in Epe. They needed to classify the ruler of the town and this led into dispute with Akarigbe of Remo. The British called Ooni to give judgement.

If Yoruba had raised objection about the turban wearing Oba of Ilorin being grouoed with other turban wearing kings Ilorin title might have remained Oba. No one objected.

The Northern Emirate changed the title from Oba to Emir.

Ilorin, as at 1966, was the capital of North Western State. The Yorubas still had a chance to recover it and bring it back politically into a full Western State. The different political ambitions and complete raype of the country by successive military administration chipped away at references of Ilorin to West or Yoruba.

( Over the years attempts have been made to reverse the loss of Ilorin. The problem of regaining it lie within Yoruba itself.

Governor Mohammed Alabi Lawal, former Governor of Kwara State was an opponent of the Emir of Ilorin. Yoruba knew this yet made no political moves to support and sustain the efforts of the Governor.

In Moro Local Govt of Kwara State, where the town of Jebba is, there is an Oba. The Northerners do not want any Oba in Kwara and particularly that Adebara claims that as the longest reigning dynasty in Kwara, he is independent and should not be chaired by the Emir. Emir of Ilorin however wants to subdue the Oba crown under his domain and ultimately erase it. Jebba is North of Ilorin. Oba Adebara has been fighting this battle alone. What is Yoruba doing in support of Oba Adebara against to Sulu Gambari and the North?

Few years ago OPC invaded Ilorin with the single action to raid the palace, depose the King and install an Oba. Along the route heading to Kwara their movement in such large number and convoy was suspected and the Police command in Ilorin was notified. When they got to border to Kwara they met tanks and battle ready army and police, they were denied entry into Kwara. No confrontation, they turned back.

Early this year we got news that the Jebba bridge had collapsed. The link between North and South on the Western flank is that bridge crossing. All the traffic that passes through that bridge is a boost to economy of Jebba. The town is a resting spot for travellers. Without the bridge the economy will collapse. Travellers have been forced to reroute away from Jebba since the bridge went down. Did the bridge collapse, or was that an act of sabotage by pro Emir elements to destroy the economy of Jebba and shame the Oba?

Now, we cannot count on Senate President Saraki, being a Senator from Kwara to see the economic impact to the different layers of production in the Supply and Distribution chain that use this bridge or the suffering their absence would bring on the community, because Olusola Saraki was one of those that plotted the downfall and ultimately the death of Governor Lawal. In fact Bukola Saraki was Governor and it is still believed in Ilorin till today that he and his fatjer had a hand in Governor Lawal's death. Saraki is an avid pro Emir, they are trying to destroy Jebba and erase its Yoruba link.

The VP is Yoruba, Minister of Works is Yoruba....what actions are they taking to see to it that a new bridge is constructed and the economic lifeline of Jebba returns? That would be a victory for Oba Adedara to lift up his head and remain poised against Emir and his agents of hate.

This Ilorin issue is a collective Yoruba challenge, not just Ibadan. Ibadan has done its part.

A great analysis you posted here. Quite frankly, you are absolutely right because Jebba must be built. Shame on these set of political class of Yoruba stock whose agenda don't see the need to unify Yoruba irrespective of their location. The bridge connecting Jebba must be built. To even buttress the point, Late General Abdulkadiri Adisa was even a pro Yoruba in Ilorin during his days. Indeed it is a shame to have an Emir in Yoruba land. Irrespective of the religion such chooses, Emir (Islamic teacher /leader) shouldn't be as pronounced as being made presently in Ilorin. Over accommodation without check and balance is really something Yoruba divine elites need take seriously.
Stay blessed

laudate:
The lies you have told against other people, are so obvious. Just take look at your previous posts, and check the allegations you made against innocent citizens and their descendants. Am not bothered about your ancestry, as I have nothing but respect for Yoruba people. I am just concerned that you want to force your own narrative on others, instead of letting everyone tell their ancestral history, the best way they understand it. Like I said before: tell your own history and let others recite their own, too. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? And if you think that you are mocking anyone's ignorance, you are mistaken. You are only exposing your own intolerance and lack of objectivity.

You are the one that sees it like that because it seems you are in support of the falsified lies that even an innocent heart can easily be confused to believe that their Ikarlehedan or izoduwa came to ILE IFE and founded anew dynasty that came from IDU. The truth is that if I am from that lineage called IDU, it won't be a problem at all but we are not . But the truth is the truth even if you as a person want them to tell a FABLED STORY FROM WHEREVER THEY GOT IT. I have no problem with ordinary Edo chaps, irrespective where such comes from but DISTORTION OF MY ANCESTRY, I WILL NEVER TAKE SUCH LIKELY. Let them restrict their storyline to OGISO, OGIEMEN, and not Olofin adimlia/Adimunia. Odu'a never descended from people who bore mark on their body in the ancient time. The burial site observed and researched at ILE IFE by Suzan Blair , which is also support that Odu'a lineage have a sign of diadem circle on their burial sites... Do they have such in IDU? I don't hate Edo people but let them tell a true story of whatever happened to their dead IZODUWA, who died in a village that is not too far from lgodomigodo after many years over there. You may not like my perspective and genuine information but it is the TRUTH as it regard my ancestral worshipping.. The truth is bitter.

laudate:
Oga, you are the only liar here. Everyone can see it. You were the first person to drag another man's name into this conversation, when he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Next, you mentioned his descendants, even though they had never made any assertions or claims to you. Now, you claimed he had something to do with Ifako-Ijaiye. Where is your proof? Must you peddle lies and deceit?

Why don't you face Layi Ajayi-Bembe who was the one who actually started the controversy? Why are you pretending not to notice his antics? Instead, you are calling out someone else who is totally unrelated to the subject at hand.

Are you done reciting your panegyrics and idu? Abeg, face your own calabash and stop digressing unnecessarily. Leave Edo people to recite their own ancestral lineage. Nobody is compelling you to accept their own story. Tell your own ancestral history, and leave others to state their own too, in peace!

What lie? Point it out,please... I mock at your ignorance. OK,enjoy the tale by the moon light from the land of ogodomigodo. The people associated with red colour. It is even a shame that Yoruba change the named of IDU to BINI. If it pains you that my ancestry isn't Edo, then that's your cup of tea.. Can't stop laughing!!!!

laudate:
Ifako under Ifako- Ijaiye is whose location? Why are you making all these fake allegations, without any proof to back it up? I thought only women spread gossip anyhow, but obviously your case is different.

As for your idu or panegyrics or incantations, Oga you ate free to keep and recite them. Do whatever rocks your boat, and leave others to recite or recount their ancestral lineage and panegyrics, too. End of story.

Since you are not conversant with the location, then, you need to do your research if you don't know. The location is easy to know for those who lives or lived in that territorial part of Lagos. Lastly, you kept regurgitating same perspective based on your emotional attachment to concocted LIES. So, it is perfect for me to see you and the likes to continue in such direction. However, the few info I have given is for the millions of people that will come across this part of information, which OUTRIGHTLY NULLIFY LIES PEDDLED BY PAPER HISTORIANS FROM EDO.



c'est fini mon ami

RedboneSmith:
People who think Ibadan would have driven the Fulani from Ilorin if the British hadn't stepped in forget that Ibadan had ample time to do so - and failed - before the British stepped in in the 1890s.

The reason Ibadan didn't/couldn't do it is largely strategic/military and geographic. Ilorin had a powerful cavalry and were unbeatable in the open plains (which is where Ilorin was located.) Ibadan on the other hand had no cavalry force -- whatever horses they had were mainly for civil transportation. Any engagements in the plains between the Ibadan infantry and the Ilorin cavalry was most likely to end in Ilorin's favour.

It was in the southern forest lands that Ibadan proved superior to the Ilorin forces, as the latter could not effectively use its cavalry in forested country. Hence the reason why Ibadan could halt Ilorin's expansion south, but could not present a challenge to Ilorin in the open plains to the north.

Don't blame the British for that. Blame geography and the failure of Ibadan to build a strong cavalry.

Ilorin was silenced for for more than 30 years after the war that sunk their aspiration in 1840 . Ilorin that could not conquer their neighbors is the city that you adduce with such glory? You people are funny.. Ilorin that was sending gift and their daughters as tributaries? Yoruba of deep forested area didn't see Ilorin as foreigners but rebellion people who disobeyed their kinsmen because it was a fight between ISLAM and ELA WORSHIP. And am sure you know that Olu Ilorin(momoh) was killed because Yorubas were the ones controlling the city ,I mean Balogun Alanamu and others. Yoruba knowledge on the potency of herbs/flower usage was astonishing and still till today...The war would have been won if there was an attempt to do so because it would have been unified onslaught against Ilorin by all Yoruba groups.

laudate:
Guy, since you claim to know the exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos, kindly tell us. You are the one that first brought up his name into the conversation, and you are the one that keeps making unfounded allegations and bringing up his name in every subsequent response that you make. So do not accuse others of focusing on Aganga.

Layi Ajayi-Bembe that started the controversy seems to have escaped your notice, or are you deliberately keeping quiet about him? You ignored his allegations and decided to rope another man's name into your conversation, who was never part of the subject under discussion, in the first place!

As for the Bini/Edo people, they have recited their own history from their own perspective. They are not preventing you from reciting or documenting your own, and they have not insisted that you must adopt their own history as your own, or adhere to their own version of what took place in the lives of their ancestors.

Let every one share his own history, from his own perspective. Hopefully, one day seasoned academic scholars would be able to place the events within the right context in order to rigorously analyse the sequence of events that took place, with a view to placing them in the right context.

Among certain Igbo groups for example, there are those who trace their origin or ancestry to the Igalas, while others trace their ancestry to the Bini/Edo. But within the ancestral accounts of the Igalas, you would not even find Igala history mentioning the fact that any of their sons or ancestors, established any Igbo community or group.

What am I saying? People recount their history from different perspectives. You have told everyone your own historical or ancestral origin and panegyrics. Leave others alone to tell theirs'. End of story.

IFAKO ,UNDER IFAKO-JAIYE AXIS ,is the location in Lagos. His surname will help you locate it. Then, if you claim I drag his name into it isn't a big because his name came up in my thought and that is it. And it won't be wrong to correct certain impression as this in the nearest future for people claiming all part they met people when they arrived . Furthermore, I have no problem with any one expressing their opinion but such Opinion must be corrected if it has to do with FACTS. ODU'A BELONGED TO YORUBA AND HIS SON ORANMYAN WAS THE CONNECTION TO IDU PEOPLE...... All other people can can discuss their own history but On Odu'a, TRUTH IS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW. ADIMULIA /ADMLIA, THE MAN WHO WORSHIP IRÈ.THE MAN WHO USED WHITE PIGEON /DOVE /COCKEREL TO APPEASE GOD FOR SIN CLEANSING — IRUMOLE WORSHIPPER AND THE SON OF GOD... No idu have this peculiar account.

gregyboy:
prove this wrong if ure a true descendant of oduduwa and u dont believe ure from benin am sorry ure lost and nd u havnt fiund ur way but if you believe ur ancestors descended from heaven or treaked from mecca den ure foolish needs to be arrrested by the police

this is an image showing a rounded bead in his neck which the yorubas dont use only d benins it shows him tieing a white in his waist showing is also a benin what prove do you want no ones knows oduduwa in mecca

You make me laugh my dear. If I am from Bini, I won't deny it BUT MY ANCESTORS WERE NOT FROM BINI or IGODOMIGODO that was older than BINI. The person you posted wasn't Odu'a but OONI LAFOGIDO,who was one of my ancestors......I didn't need to read the deepest part of the ritual offering of my ancestors like millions of you people do because I was INITIATED INTO IT long time ago .... YOu people dont know Naddah!

laudate:
Now you are talking again about the descendants of Olusegun Aganga. Wait first....Have they said anything to you, or made any claims to you? Again I need to ask......why bring them into this conversation? And why are you thriving on conjecture?

It appears you have some deep seated grudge against the man, or you envy him in some way. Tell us what your problem is, so that we can treat your case.

I fail to see why you keep dragging someone into a conversation, that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his descendants. Do you know him personally? Or did Aganga or his descendants trash your ancestors history online? Gosh!! If you must talk about someone making claims, why not talk about Layi Ajayi-Bembe, the old man who started the controversy about Benin-Yoruba claims over Lagos??

I know the history of my ancestors, and if anyone lied about it, I would simply tell him the truth and clear his misconceptions. I would point out the fallacies or inconsistencies in the erroneous accounts of those who try to write my ancestors history, from their own perspective.

The truth is that oral history cannot be studied in a rigid continuum. There are so many different perspectives of any particular event. Like Chimamanda Adichie said: "We remember differently." But the burden lies on those recounting such events, to do so in a way that is as factual as possible. Revisionists exist in every culture, and the only way to counter their assertions is to use the weapon of truth.

There are some people that can't be bothered with their ancestral history, because they have formed new identities for themselves, or have chosen to become citizens of other countries.

But the truth is that culture is dynamic. And there are so many factors that shape culture, languages, traditions and history, through the ages. One just needs to keep an open mind and document as much of it, as one can, in order to keep the records for posterity.

People can make claims irrespective of their migration pattern. They didn't say anything to me but I know exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos. However, don't focus on Aganga as it is not the main issue at hand. If you have issue on Aganga, which I made as an example, then, you will have to dig deeper into different people that claim location in Lagos State. And it will be a distraction because you are over flogging that part of my reference. Using a figurative speech in this contexture was what I did and fact are all over the places to affirm to how people migrated in the recent past. Now, if you can defend your ancestors history, then you need not blame me because I am just doing that. Even, among certain Yoruba group,Odua was and is seen as a female deity. And the difference is that the warrior king called Adimlia/Adimunia/Adimula was referred to as Odu'a and in ILE IFE history, he was a prince man, from the East. I don't want to fix my attention on Odu'a because he is not the Lagos Island the Op was referring to to but Layi Ajayi Bembe. But to quickly end this so as to clarify that the Edo lied is the reason I have mentioned difference in our tradition, which isn't Odu'a. The tradition that linked Yoruba to BINI were all imported to BINI from ILE IFE. You claimed that the Edo too have their own account, what account can they have?

Tell your Edo people claiming Odu'a to tell me where in Edo /Ogodomigodo /IDU to come inform you an the rest readers, why Our panegyric is like this; OMO OKE, OMO EGÙN ,OMO A FI ADIÉ FUN FUN BORÈ. This is few out of the praise name of the ancient ancestors of Odu'a. Don't come and claim it is Yoruba because the lineage praise existed before the current and modern Yoruba language .Kindly inform the people you think has more stake in Odu'a than Yoruba to come tell us all, where in their community such people existed with that kind of panegyric, if they even have at all. What it means in EDO/IDU should be explained.


I remain my humble self; Emi omo Oke, Omo Ajamaiye , Omo Kare o ' Ba mi

gregyboy:
benin havnt lied at all far back then benin was so developed that they documented history through art thats how benin still got all the oba faces right from the ogisos to present era. and basic fact of oduduwa are still in benin musuem nd in the palace

for those who believed benin was speaking yoruba language in the olds i wonder how they think .benin was an empire who ruled so many ethnic group and spreaded most of thier words to those of his colonies same as the gods they worshipped

basic fact oduduwa was from benin not from mecca
1. he was dressed in white clothes hunged around is neck just like the late ovaramen hunged is on is neck

2. his beed on his neck was round just like the benin round beeds

3.the chains on his hands which shows he was about to be killed in his hometown

false stories about oduduwa which aint true due to scientific analysis

1.migration from mecca that so wrong during is migration he could have established other settlement along the way but it didnt because it is false story

2.descending from the sky that 100 percent myth even krishna the son of god had to come through a human no historians accept that unproven fact

3.distance from Mecca to ille ife is 1000 of miles which was never possible of him making the journey
to my conclusion the benins have a more valid history of oduduwa than the yorubas

I can see that you guys are so misled by false information given to you all. Funny thing is that Odu'a didn't come from Bini because I am his descendants. My ancestors worship what is called IRUNMOLÈ.....And your ogiso didn't have anything that is linked to any animals in your own account. So get it henceforth that Odu'a didn't come from Ogodomigodo.. Period. Do you even know the meaning of Adimlia /Adumunia, which was his name? So, forget your IDU's claim. Even archeology between ILE IFE and IDU/IBini,showed ILE IFE as being older... You are dealing with a man who knows his ancestors history.... Quit such notion of any link between Odu'a and BINI.

laudate:
Why are you fixated on Olusegun Aganga? Is he owing you anything or has he ever made any statement about Bini owning Lagos? NO!! So why do you keep bringing him into this conversation?

As for the Bini historians that talk about the history of the Benin people or their empire, have they done anything wrong by recording the history of their people or their culture? Even Yoruba historians like Prof Festus Ade Ajayi and others did so. Did anyone raise any dust? So why does the chronicle of history by Benin historians trouble you so much? Didn't the christian missionaries, foreign scholars, Portuguese scholars, merchants and colonial masters also write about the history of different places in Nigeria?? Abeg, stop chasing after petty issues....

You seem not to have read what I sent and you definitely owe me an apology. I mentioned descendants of Olusegun Aganga....... There is a clear difference. Go back and read again on my previous post before the last. Then, Edo people whose historical account contradict the true issue need be corrected. This has been the way at which they distort history. And such need serious correction because of the future. Kindly give these a good thought . If I may ask you, how would you feel, if someone lied about your own personal ancestors history? How would you feel if people send thrash online about your ancestors migration pattern? And how would you feel, if people lied about the name your ancestors call God? You can't understand my purpose if you don't understand my reasons.

laudate:
Nobody is taking any glory that belongs to Ile-Ife, and I have not seen any Bini person doing so! I don't know why you brought Olusegun Aganga into this discussion, because the conversation has absolutely nothing to do with him. From the little I know about the man, he is half-Edo and half-Lagosian Yoruba. So what is the issue?

Pls try to check all what led to the main discussion on this thread, before putting up your remarks. Thank you.

Are you sure some Edo inclined historians doesn't try to claim Odu'a as a prince from IDU/Ogodomigodo? If some people claim Odu'a migrated from IDU to ILE IFE then doesn't it show he developed ILE IFE through such claim? And on the issue of Olusegun Aganga, is just showcasing how people may in the distance future claim things. Ordinarily I don't have any problem with the man in anyway. So, don't get me wrong. If Yoruba want to claim glory on achievement, there will be too much to make as a reference.

laudate:
If you had read through this thread from the beginning, you would have seen that the Bini people were NOT the ones that initiated the controversy. It was started by Layi Ajayi-Bembe, a Lagosian Yoruba man. It was the IPOB-Igbo youths that jumped on the bandwagon as usual with their ethnic baiting, taunts, insolence and insults against the Yorubas, by now claiming that the Bini were the overloads of Lagos.

Unfortunately, one of your brothers swallowed their bait and started making uncomplimentary remarks about the Oba of Benin. Why? And of course, the Bini chaps came online to defend their Oba against the snide attacks and disrespectful comments. Do you blame them? It is sad that you cannot see the hands of the IPOB-Igbo yoots stoking the embers of discord on this board. You have also fallen for their tricks and unleashed your anger against the Bini respondents who are only trying to defend their Oba against ridicule. How sad!



Et tu, Brute??

Oh k bro, I sheath my sword. I have no doubt in my heart that BINI came to Lagos, and all fact support . The layi Ajayi Bembe want relevance and there is a reason everyone chose to act the way they do. On the attack on Oba BINI, could be likened to so many reasons which I wouldn't want to go deep into it . As a descendant of oranmiyan myself, and have seen so many things lost to whirlwind because of over secrecy, has made to come forth to bring out fact hidden on certain issues to the best of my human knowledge. And I have the right to correct certain lies being peddled online because I am well suited to inform at this moment to the best of my knowledge so that the public will see somethings as it was and still the way it is . Isn't it very disgraceful even when Oba BINI believed that one BINI prince /person migrated to ILE IFE and set up the place. Odu'a was attached to white, his ancestors was attached to white and his descendants are attached to white in the term of ancestral linkage (Purity) while BINI is attached to red. Does this not show, the real BINI princes had been short changed? Is Oba of Lagos heavily attached to red as BINI? The BINI claimed that they owned the word O-ba when in fact the word isn't a daily usage in BINI, which is directly opposite in Yoruba land, including Lagos . The so called BINI people want to take the glory given to ILE IFE but it won't work. Almighty God don't make mistake, that's the reason ILE IFE will always be in reckoning. Olusegun Aganga etc is a BINI/IDU man and perhaps one day his descendants will wake up one day and say they own the whole part their ancestors migrated toward. The reality is that the BINI make too much noise about conquest when infact the Itsekiri have more say than BINI in Lagos. Let them be where God place them instead of overstretched hands on imaginary things. So don't blame some people if they are angry at what they know as concurrent lies......

laudate:
If you had read through this thread from the beginning, you would have seen that the Bini people were NOT the ones that initiated the controversy. It was started by Layi Ajayi-Bembe, a Lagosian Yoruba man. It was the IPOB-Igbo youths that jumped on the bandwagon as usual with their ethnic baiting, taunts, insolence and insults against the Yorubas, by now claiming that the Bini were the overloads of Lagos.

Unfortunately, one of your brothers swallowed their bait and started making uncomplimentary remarks about the Oba of Benin. Why? And of course, the Bini chaps came online to defend their Oba against the snide attacks and disrespectful comments. Do you blame them? It is sad that you cannot see the hands of the IPOB-Igbo yoots stoking the embers of discord on this board. You have also fallen for their tricks and unleashed your anger against the Bini respondents who are only trying to defend their Oba against ridicule. How sad!



Et tu, Brute??

Oh k bro, I sheath my sword. I have no doubt in my heart that BINI came to Lagos, and all fact support . The layi Ajayi Bembe want relevance and there is a reason everyone chose to act the way they do. On the attack on Oba BINI, could be likened to so many reasons which I wouldn't want to go deep into it . As a descendant of oranmiyan myself, and have seen so many things lost to whirlwind because of over secrecy, has made to come forth to bring out fact hidden on certain issues to the best of my human knowledge. And I have the right to correct certain lies being peddled online because I am well suited to inform at this moment to the best of my knowledge so that the public will see somethings as it was and still the way it is . Isn't it very disgraceful even when Oba BINI believed that one BINI prince /person migrated to ILE IFE and set up the place. Odu'a was attached to white, his ancestors was attached to white and his descendants are attached to white in the term of ancestral linkage (Purity) while BINI is attached to red. Does this not show, the real BINI princes had been short changed? Is Oba of Lagos heavily attached to red as BINI? The BINI claimed that they owned the word O-ba when in fact the word isn't a daily usage in BINI, which is directly opposite in Yoruba land, including Lagos . The so called BINI people want to take the glory given to ILE IFE but it won't work. Almighty God don't make mistake, that's the reason ILE IFE will always be in reckoning. Olusegun Aganga etc is a BINI/IDU man and perhaps one day his descendants will wake up one day and say they own the whole part their ancestors migrated toward. The reality is that the BINI make too much noise about conquest when infact the Itsekiri have more say than BINI in Lagos. Let them be where God place them instead of overstretched hands on imaginary things. So don't blame some people if they are angry at what they know as concurrent lies.

Gotze1:
Hahahaha, Ritababe, come and see your nupe brother o. He talks say na them own una

They have met their match from two different quarters, namely Ijaws who has crowned a king and the Tapa invaders.... I mock these people who keep up with lies because of pride

Gotze1:
You get time sha. They own people that are more than them, same people occupying largest land area. If you want to laugh, just invite a bini man, ask him history then start tackling his point with questions, you will laugh tire.

These people are funny. They kept claiming Odu'a, Lagos and everywhere in South East Yoruba land and yet those people refused to bear their names. How clownlike can anyone be if not these social media commentators of IDU /BINI liars...

ritababe:
and u say so without facts,prove it

If BINI was so strong, why change your names to Yoruba names? isn't it inferiority complex on part of the So called IDU descendants? All the names of all assume kingly lineage of Lagos were and still yoruba. The name Ashipa has no meaning in Bini except you decide form a meaning for it. Today, among the name of Royal house in Eko idugunran, Olusi is one of the ruling house and BINI don't use such names.. You don't have fact but pride and all of you want undue relevance... C'est fini.

ritababe:
yes yoruba are owned by Bini, if u want to argue let's do it without insult and with facts.

Oduduwa your first Yoruba king migrated from bini

Big lie. No true historical account support your view. Your perception is based on rumour and not fact.. Ooni Adimula/Adim'lia/Adimunia /Odua /Olofin/Éléshé-Ina /Éru-jeje or whatever name you chose to identify him with didn't come from any BINI lineage. Kindly keep your opinion in correlation to the post. Stop peddling what you have no knowledge on. There is a difference between paper work written and strong evidence from the man's descendants...... Stop it.

IkpuMmadu:
Hmmmm Yoruba Pepe no dey tire

First oduduwa fell from sky with a chicken in his hand as a parachute and landed in ile Ife

Then , oduduwa was a Benin prince sent to establish ife

Then oduduwa was from Sudan or some funny east African state

Now this ...obatala and Abraham

We are waiting for the next version....

Whatever anyone chose to write is based on their search over the secrecy on the man mostly addressed as Odu'a. He neither fell from the sky nor a BINI prince but migrated from the Mid East. He lived as a mere mortal and died as every man did. However, the crown called Ade Aaré ,which is the oldest crown in Yoruba land and in the present day Nigeria, according to historical account and evidence does look like the crown comparably to ancient Egyptian crown but slightly different. Yoruba language has a, mixture of kemitic -semitic language fused together. The OP's opinion is based on his personal view or a little research done by him but not all researches are conclusive.

Cuddlebugie:
I had to google the meaning of olubuse. Thank God for the internet.

Hardly will google give you the meaning of Olubuse or any Ooni's name's meaning. However, once you are successful, kindly post on here.

Mulakintanwa:
MORE PROOF THAT OBATHALA IS THE SAME AS THERA (OBA-THARA) THE FATHER OF ABRAM WHO IS ALSO ABI-ORUNMILA.

In the ancient Torah the word for 'its kind' or 'its type' has TH following corresponding consonants

1. L.M.Y.N.H GEN 1:24
2. L.M.Y.N.H.M GEN 1:21
3. L.M.Y.N.H.W GEN 1:12

On vowelization
1. iLuMiYi NiH

2. iLuMiYi-NiHMi

3. iLuMiYiNiH-Wa

In modern Yoruba that we speak this will be the same except for the 'L' becoming 'R'

Iru mi Yi nih, iru mi Yi nih, iru mi Yi nih wa.

This l is still being used by some yoruba tribe, ęgba is one of those yoruba tribe that enjoy the use of 'l' to replace many other words.

This is just the different between Obatala and Obatara.

But same story surrounds the two, the left a place called ur/òrun and stopped on the way. Yoruba says he was drinking wine and wishing away time. The name 'thera' was said to have originated from a word 'tha-ra-cha/ka' which means the same thing yoruba's saying of him, ta-ra-ka is also a yoruba word meaning doing useless work or being engage in many things of no value at the expense of a profitable assignment.

Reasonably these two are just one person in two different views.

Wherever you got this view definitely is based on perception and not accurately on evidence. I do have my own personal opinion on issue such as this but evidences stamp or knock off one's view. Now, from the fact on ground, obatala wasn't TERA because, Adimla existed during the time of Tala. The ancestors of Obatala were the ones ruling through the lineage of Priesthood, while Adimla ancestors who were the princely lineage surfaced. And at a point in time, the princely lineage took over the ruling house. Period.

Hati13:
Thanks for the info

You are welcome

Hati13:
Are Yorubas from ObaTala linkage the only among other Yorubas who follow sacrifice rituals?

Nearly all Yoruba follow rituals in Yoruba land. But I specifically mentioned About Oba tala because he was a priest and when need be to sacrifice, he was associated with using Heifer as a sacrifice. They do burn or kill the animals for rituals. While, Adimlia, ancestors and descendants uses Ram as it is associated with his ancestors. Then, he was associated with using white birds such dove/pigeon/cockerel to do sacrifice which must be white. These two groups do use other animals as I have mentioned also.

Hati13:
Ok

I don't think the listed emperors, their ancestors and descendants had that sacrifice rituals. Ethiopia Orthodox Christian is primarily based it self on Old Testament than New Testament, but I never read in Ethiopian history where there was sacrifice by the Christians here.

Oh k. Seem they are Christians instead of ancient Hebrews religion followers. .. Without the usage of specific animals associated with Hebrews, then they don't have strong proof because Hebrews are associated with rituals in the ancient times. The usage of these animals is for one thing or the other ,which is believed to be powerful because of the blood of such animals. Sacrifice as it is known is for one purification or for one cleansing or the other....

Hati13:
I don't know what Heifer or Ram means.

Heifer belong to cow/bull's family. And ram, I meant animal. in fact, birds such as pigeons, dove are used for sacrifice by Abraham descendants,especially the Hebrews . There are other animals been used generally by Hebrews. Abraham's and his descendants uses white Ram as sacrifice of redemption for their first male child when need be. The Ram is associated with Davidic lineage, while the Heifer is associated with the Aaron's lineage. I asked these questions about the purportedly listed. And I want to know if this list of solomonic dynasty didn't use it. And if they didn't, then their claims is suspicious. Funny enough, Ooni of ILE IFE and descendants are associated with white Ram( For redemption of male child, which is associated with Oooni ancestors) . While ,, white cockerel, dove ,pigeons and other animals are also in use. And another family lineage known as ObaTala in Yoruba land is associated with Heifer usage as sacrifice.

Hati13:
Mulakintanwa,

The word "galla" has 2 meanings as far as I know. In Oromo language, it means "go away". In Somalia language, it means "pagan or nonbeliever". The reason for them to be called by this name in the past was related to those 2 meanings. But the Oromos say that they always called themselves "Oromo".

The Oromo ppl are a very ancient stock of Cushite (Cush) race. They had inhabited the Horn of Africa for many thousands of years. They 1st inhabited the highland Ethiopia, but most of them migrated to the further lowland Ethiopia and Somalia in ancient times. At ancient and medieval times, Somalia and southern parts of Ethiopia below Bali provenance weren't part of the then Ethiopia. They (the lowland Oromos) then reappeared to the then Ethiopia from 1520s AD onwards.

Thanks for this clarity on Oromo people. These people aren't in anyway related to Oranmiyan (Odédè). The OP, seems convinced about Ooni Adimunia/Olofin/Adimlia whose ancestors called themselves sons of God. And I have fact on this family because they use Ram as sacrifice. The Yoruba Race is centered on Ooni even if not all are his descendants. Though, inter marriages with the female descendants Ooni has unified a whole lot of Yoruba people because we are related in one way or the other. Yoruba language isn't as old as many African acclaimed indigenous people,located in different part of Africa. Lastly, if you wouldn't mind, you go through Yoruba history on creation via “Omoosanyi"( he is here on NL) , who seems to be vast in Yoruba priestly knowledge and compare it with biblical personality called God.

Such as this need continue.
God bless you ‘OP'.