₦airaland Forum

absoluteSuccess:
You are right about Orun being Ur, but it also has to do with heaven as long as we won't deprive Yoruba language of a word for heaven because of that historical usage. What often happen is that our ancestors came with certain words which their descendants before us re-assigned with new Yoruboid meaning but which still coaligates elsewhere with another word, my take is, we uphold both manifestation to preserve the linguistic investment down the ages.

So there is a faculty that got it shrewed in mystery, the key that unlock the mystery is 'alede Orun' meaning 'the land of the tongue that is heavenly' perhaps orun is just a short for that saying. How many culture obsess their tongue with heaven in historical tradition than the hebrew? Follow by the Arabs who copies them.

Orunmila is a title, not the real name, it has to do with a historic event. I think the mystic order of Urim and Thunim or Ifodu (Ifa Odu) given here as Ephod is older order, it was used to draw out wisdom, and that's why Solomon said he was exalted like the palms of en arigialos. The palms were ikin ifa in Yoruba.



What if the palm tree mentioned here were actually the source of ikin once used to consult Ifa or deduce wisdom at such historical time? Well Cades is eringialos and Orunmila is equally called Erigialo, which has no intelligible meaning in Yoruba other than seldom name for Orunmila, who is also call palms (ope) in Yoruba..

I haven't read the other other sirac book of all wisdom in totality. However, the assertion you made about eringialo been used for Solomon which is the same coined appellation word for Orunmiela. I know that Solomon was filled with wisdom beyond imagination, spiritually and mystically powerful. He was not from the lineage of priesthood, despite the fact that he was also spiritually inclined as well but he was from a kingly lineage . However, Orunmiela was so consecrated himself from filth and all form of indiscipline . And there was no mention of him having 100s of wife not to mention 1000+ wives and concubines of Solomon.

AshiwajuFoward:
But do those people consider themselves or see themselves as Yorubas today? That's the koko. A person is whomever he says he is. I don't buy into this idea of trying to cajole people into seeing themselves as something they've voluntarily rejected, irrespective of their authentic history. That is the same mistake some SE-based Igbo people make and which causes them a lot of needless embarrassment amongst supposed Igboid minorities in the SS.

My point here is to give them recognition always and when such demand arises. I am also not a fan of disorderliness. Life is about choice,which made Edo chose their own identity and so be it All that can make Odu'a nation great is all that matters.

pazienza:
Odiani( Yes, that's their name now, it's no longer Olukumi) had since assimilated into the Igbo culture of their Enu-ani neighbors. They are now Enu ani people.
They are no longer Yorubas just as Igbide( an Isoko town that migrated from Mgbidi in Imo state) are no longer Igbos today, or as Edoid speaking towns of Isua, Ifira, Ipe, Ipesi, Epinmi, etc in Akoko SE of Ondo state , are no longer Edo today, but had since assimilated into Yoruba culture and are proud Yorubas today.

who told you that the group f people you mentioned are EDO stock? Epinmi,Ipe were never Edo. Go get your facts correct.

omohayek:
Speaking just for myself here, unless the groups in question were geographically contiguous to the main body of Yorubaland, I would prefer that such groups be given the option of either relocating outright or staying where they are. Even if others agreed to allow the secession of islands of minorities within their own states - and I'm doubtful such agreement would be forthcoming - what happens if, for example, the surrounding state goes to war with a third country, and one such isolated territory is overrun? How easy would it be to stop the entire country being pulled into a conflict it has no vital interest in, merely in the defense of this isolated territory?

A superpower like the USA can get away with having territories that are disconnected from its mainland (e.g. Alaska and Hawaii), but even then these American territories aren't surrounded by potentially foreign countries. Despite such advantages, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 was enough to pull the USA into all-out war with Japan, and as recently as 1982 the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a bunch of isolated rocks of low economic value. Wars are expensive in both money and human lives, even when they're won, and they're the last thing a new state in dire need of economic development should be indulging in, not for the sake of small communities which have the choice to immigrate if they so desire.

First ,I disagree with you on the basis of eventual war reason, to making such relative of ours collateral damage. My desire of a dream Yoruba nation, is to have a people with absolute high stake in the world economy. I am of the the opinion that Yoruba will be heavily engaged in military ware production,mechanised farming, information technology and industrialised economy where there will be a balance of trade. By so, doing, we will be able wealthy to defend our people wherever their location If South Korea is 13th richest country, where they don't have 30% of Yoruba land resources ,then the sky won't be our limit but the beginning . This is the more the reason, relocation will be a better option, if we don't want to go into war with any country, especially people who enjoys subjugation of people by compulsion and killing without any provocation from their neighbours. But be mindful that, military might via advance technologically know how is a Lee way for the neighbouring countries to acknowledge Yoruba land's military might. And will stand against anything that has to do with external aggressors and wage war against any enemy that are Militarily advancing toward our nation's border.

Deedeedee3:
Ok now i get you. I thought you were talking about minorities joining us. But there is none in delta state, is there?

Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

Deedeedee3:
No sir, i dont agree. Even if the minorities want to join, we should not allow. They will hold our progress. Instead of us to focus on our development, we will trying to please the minorities so they wont cry marginalization.
Let the minorities stay on their own.

We have to be considerate about all our people irrespective their location as long as they are willing to be part of us. It isn't about minorities but about Yoruba people in another location that's not within the homogeneous sphere of Yoruba nation. They have the same right as you and I.

absoluteSuccess:
I was once searching for info on engedi at one time online, I was amazed at enrigialous. My bro this was really strange. Erigialo and en rigialos maintain the same linguistic and phonological mystery as enrigialos and exactly the same symbolism.

Today, the word en rigialos is substituted for Cades. What do en rigialous have in common with erigialo? The two terms alludes to palms and symbolic with wisdom, and the words citing Cades belong to Solomon. Orunmila, Yoruba icon for wisdom is identified as erigialo or palmtree, ope.

That's why I conclude that Orunmila (heaven tremble open) is Yoruba for king Solomon, whose sacrifice caused the heavens to open and the glory of God covers the temple. He stood for sacrifice to God and the same is the tenet of Ifa, to this day.

Orunmila is Yoruba for king Solomon.

This is indeed a perspective I need to verify too as you have opined your finding. However, considering the real myth about Orunmiela, whose lifetime can't be pinned down so as to ascertain the exact period he existed. There is no exact genuine information of when he existed which got me wondering and trying to dig deep into the meaning of the name without making reference to the regular interpretation I am used to. This is because, Orun –UR existed in Mesopotamia. And I have seen account of three or so Yoruba Towns claiming they came from ORUN–UR. The accepted account of Orun in Yoruba is said to be HEAVEN. But there is no way scientifically that one can come from HEAVEN as it seems, which directly gave me the notion about checking out certain information about the ancient Yoruba meaning of Orun. My drawn conclusion is that ORUN was the original home, which was the reason references were always made to it in Odu IFA panegyric. “Ajule Orun si Ayè" is a critical statement that need serious verification. Having inferred this, King Solomon came later and he was not a PRIEST. There were spiritually sound priests during his reign as a king. But he had a ring that it is identified with today's Solomons knot. This ring was said to have potency of a form that it was called then as MAGICAL RING by those who knew him. Although the ring was said to be magical but he didn't misuse it because he was godly. In all of these, my summation is that Orunmiela existed before Solomon

Obaluf0n:
Not a bad idea but why should they have to relocate when referendum can be done and maps can be redrawn from it?

Relocation is an option. And as you know, Olukumi is locked within a different group of people entirely. And who knows, they might want to be part of Yoruba nation for economic reason and ethnicity purpose. How do you think such map can be redrawn considering the location where they are located? The Yoruba people within Akoko Edo too might want such, but will it be easy, considering the perception of how the Edos will see it ? I just gave an insight to this because every thing is possible if the larger Yoruba nation emerges. Who knows how the uneasily connected Yoruba group might be maltreated in their new to be nation? ...

omohayek:
I know the full thread is probably too long to go through, but if you take the time to look at least a little further, you'll see that this is precisely the consensus here! Most of us want none of the territorial disputes, minority issues or natural resource squabbling that would go with extending beyond undisputed Yoruba territory - not even to embrace Yoruba minorities in Edo, let alone further afield.

It won't even be a problem for the Yoruba minorities anywhere they are. If they want to relocate back to Yoruba land. There should be provision for such land spaces /territories that need be allotted to them. After all, there are millions in diaspora. And these people may want to invest or relocate back if the economy is favourable in the like manner some Atlantic/New world slave returnees settled down in Lagos State. So, if Yoruba in the Delta region want to be part of Odu'a nation, then they must be considered for relocation if need be.

Hati13:
Universal facts of any language
- it lend for others, and
- borrow from others

But it doesn't mean that a specific language doesn't has a specific place of origin and the origin of the different Yoruba languages are in West Africa according to language scholars.

Get your facts right!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

Oral history,tradition and scientific proof has shown that Yoruba are Hebrews group. The same DNA is also present in Ethiopia Jew (LEMBA)
All E1b means an ancient hunter-gatherer population.A more advanced group than original/ancient Africans . These were the advanced people and Yoruba DNA have showed that 93%+ carry these blood group but it is ABSCENT IN AMHARA.
Haplogroup E1b1a Y-Dna on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_(Y-DNA)


Get your facts accurate .....

Hati13:
Universal facts of any language
- it lend for others, and
- borrow from others

But it doesn't mean that a specific language doesn't has a specific place of origin and the origin of the different Yoruba languages are in West Africa according to language scholars.

Get your facts right!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

Oral history,tradition and scientific proof has shown that Yoruba are Hebrews group. The same DNA is also present in Ethiopia Jew (LEMBA)
All E1b means is an ancient hunter-gatherer population. These were the advanced people and Yoruba DNA have showed that 93%+ carry these blood group but it is ABSCENT IN AMHARA.
Haplogroup E1b1a Y-Dna on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_(Y-DNA)


Get your facts accurate .

ORUNMIELA(ORUN—M–"ILA/ELA) WAS THE HEBREWS PROPHET CALLED — “ELA"SER.

Yorubas, lived in the land of “UR"(ORUN).The history of Hebrews started from the Mesopotamia . This is because Ur in the south and Haran in the north. Mesopotamia was a rich agricultural area, fed by irrigation from the two rivers which give it its name: the Tigris and the Euphrates. This is the place where Yorubas came from,using this panegyric of Odu IFA; Ni gba ti Orunmila n bo lati Ajulè ORUN si Ayè. “Aj"ule is the same as Semitic word (Haj–Semitic term for movement/coming to a new place for visiting ) .While “Orun" is the same with “UR", the land where Ark of God resided and spoke with the prophet known as Orunmiela .This is the land of Hebrews as well as other groups/neighbours of the Hebrews . While the word Ayè , true meaning, is new place founded/migrated to. This is the reason for multiple claim by many Yorubas claiming descendants from “ORUN,"(UR). Olu-Orun (God of UR that owns all). And the thought of being buried after death anywhere the Yoruba find themselves , means the returning to the spiritual homes of their ancestors. And this is reason that Yoruba can BURY their dead anywhere and do EXHUME, when such time arises. This belief is synonyms with Hebrews as it is known that one returns back to his maker.

MrMaestro:
Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

Certain issue cannot be express on this platform because of its complexity and X Factor? . However, the first step has been grossly achieved ,which is the Odu'a bill of rights to freedom, etc which is with the United Nations. The only step is proper preparation for such balkanisation to take place. War to be won isn't about having hundred thousands of soldiers that think with their butt but having the strategies to outwit one's enemy. Yoruba people are positioned in some Western countries but ENGLAND is an enemy of Yoruba nation. Yoruba owns the IT and from here things can be manipulated in many fold to the Odu'a people's advantage.

God bless Yoruba Race.

MrMaestro:
Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

You asked a deep question that's perpetually, above board. However, let me clearly state here that there are different groups in Yoruba land and also in diaspora with ideology of actualising Odu'a nation's existence. These groups that have done tremendous work for the potential actualisation of Yoruba nation once the geographical local as it stand tilt toward balkanisation. The indisputable head of this actualisation of Yoruba nation is Rtd .General Akinrinade. The Yoruba bill of RIGHTS is with the UNITED NATIONS for years, so,it it is only a matter of time, for its realisation . The OP, is an entity that has been championing the cause of the actualisation of Odu'a nation for years as well as other groups but Yoruba cannot take on all the groups in Nigeria, until when few groups have issues as it stand now, which will make potential realisation of Odu'a nation possible. No group can be trusted by Yoruba based on the perception of the past event in the polity. It just as,one of the contributor, has hinted you, that sensitisation of the populace of Yoruba extraction, especially residing at Oke Oya and beyond are the ones that such might be the ones that need to be conscious of the situation . So, that they won't fall into the trap of irrational ideology of such balkanisation of this polity as a myriad. The hand writing is on the wall as it seems.

Odu'a land within this polity

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Omohayek in respect to your opinion about concessioning some appointments to foreign experts, would it be appropriate if the same is applied to our security architecture? I am particularly concerend about our Maritime security and land border policing.

I see no room for the already compromised Otunba Gani Adams, Dr Fredrick Faseun and their gang of OPC thugs. Their own definition of security is ignorantly restricted to the use of charms, broken bottles and dane guns. They lack the requisite military training, tactics and strategies needed for National Defence.

You misconstrued the purpose of OPC. However, they are just a better replica of the Yoruba politicians because, some people have to fill in the gap when no one or the right elites are not willing to do much to salvage the glorious and outstanding Yoruba ethnicity. Kudos to the OPC because indeed the OPC has done its best in the aspect of security of lives and properties within the power in its jurisdiction. The only thing I expect Yoruba nation need do is to continue to give orientation to the active members of the OPC and probably transform them to community policemen which will be different from province and federal security apparatus. They made us proud and always willing despite the fact that some of them are not as educated as the elite of the Yoruba race. Everyone born as Yoruba is a bona-fide OPC member.

AshiwajuFoward:
With all due respect guy, I suggest you work on your mind coz you seem to be gradually losing control of it. Secondly, just so you know, I am NEITHER a Christian or a Muslim so again you're way off in your assumption as to my religious affiliation.

We are here to talk and fashion out a way forward for all Yorubas irrespective of their clan or religious affiliation, on how best to build a country where we can all feel at home and unencumbered by the factors that have rendered Nigeria unworkable today. Since you obviously don't share our perspective and vision of building such a society, it's all well and good coz not all Yorubas will choose to live in such a republic as we are proposing. Which was why I suggested that you consider porting to the Biafran side where you will feel more at home with likeminds that share your views.

What you are proposing is nothing short of a [religious] CIVIL WAR within the Yoruba nation, a proposition that will NEVER EVER fly.

I doubt that “coloneldrake" guy's Yoruba identity ,because of the his remarks as it relates to his degrading comment about Yoruba Muslims. I know his type. People like him will run when it “sets." Perhaps, he is half Yoruba from matrilineal perspective. I know some folks like that. I have never seen a Yoruba man that will be a fanatic and not been mindful of what he or she relay to the world. It is so pathetic, seeing such on this forum. Anyway, there is no iota of doubt that , some people will always be among the observers, applauding folks , while the real men make the difference. Lastly, thank you for sending him to forum where his likes showcase their TALENTS against their contemporaries from other extremely far right hand side to Yoruba land of people within the confine of Nigeria.

AshiwajuFoward:
With all due respect guy, I suggest you work on your mind coz you seem to be gradually losing control of it. Secondly, just so you know, I am NEITHER a Christian or a Muslim so again you're way off in your assumption as to my religious affiliation.

We are here to talk and fashion out a way forward for all Yorubas irrespective of their clan or religious affiliation, on how best to build a country where we can all feel at home and unencumbered by the factors that have rendered Nigeria unworkable today. Since you obviously don't share our perspective and vision of building such a society, it's all well and good coz not all Yorubas will choose to live in such a republic as we are proposing. Which was why I suggested that you consider porting to the Biafran side where you will feel more at home with likeminds that share your views.

What you are proposing is nothing short of a [religious] CIVIL WAR within the Yoruba nation, a proposition that will NEVER EVER fly.

I doubt that “coloneldrake" guy's Yoruba identity ,because of the his remarks as it relates to his degrading comment about Yoruba Muslims. I know his type. People like him will run when it “sets." Perhaps, he is half Yoruba from matrilineal perspective. I know some folks like that. I have never seen a Yoruba man that will be a fanatic and not been mindful of what he or she relay to the world. It is so pathetic, seeing such on this forum. Anyway, there is no iota of doubt that , some people will always be among the observers, applauding folks , while the real men make the difference.

TVTKOKO:
We are first Yoruba before any bleeping religion of the white man.. We cannot let religion bring a divide amongst us.
I believe the average yoruba is more enlightened than to let religion bring a rift between family members. God forbid!
I actually think some people especially here on Nairaland, are hell bent on causing religious differences among we the yorubas, that's why you recently hear stuffs like 'yoruba Muslim' 'yoruba Christian'.. I mean.. What's that supposed to mean??
I am a Christian today because my dad is a Christian and so would i be a muslim if my dad is a Muslim.. It's all about choice.
Religious tolerance is one thing that has kept the south West far better than their Northern counterpart. In the North where I live, kaduna precisely, religion has caused so much damages that it has gone beyond repairs. There are some places you dare not stay if you're a Christian in the North and vice-versa.
We all have our own shortcomings and i would be glad if we can deal with them constructively, devoid of religion sentiment... Thank you

From omoluabi tokan tokan

God bless you for this your piece.

ColonelDrake:
https://www.nairaland.com/3898318/decreeing-boycott-arabic-equal-boko

Now one mofo will cone here to say I am harsh on yoruba muslims. Of all the myriads of problems confronting Nigeria and the sporadic increase in radicalization of youths by ISIS and some bunch of islamic fanatics and the next action of this Islamic APshit govertment was to render crk insignificant and inseted arabic studies into the curriculum. A subtle move to radicalise our unborn children
and make them easy recruits for isis and tbeir muslim aologists.

Here we have a typical yoruba muslim afonjanistic slave defending this impunity and licking the ass of his abokiii slave masters up north. The supposedly educated Yoruba muslims always the willing tools in the hands of the educafionally disadvantaged north. What a pity. Buhari spoke in Hausa. They say it doesnt matter.

I carry yansh for you peoole. Ooduaa reoublic will not see the light of the day with yoruba muslim like this. They will betray us to one nigeria slogan - the favorite slogan of their slave masters. Mark my words.

Mordern day afonja, carry on

I am shocked at your sporadic abuses because you seem to forget, the same Yoruba Muslims will always stand for the right of all Yoruba irrespective of religion affinity and it is vice versa with the Christians . If you are a deep Yoruba, you need be wary of what you say when you deal with people in person or type online because betrayals has no family. A betrayal will always betray irrespective of religion affinity. Are you now claiming Christians are better off than Muslims? Suffice to say that, Yoruba proverb had sealed in the past as it regard betrayal. Have you no knowledge of it? Won ni ki Obinrin bi omo fuń ni, iyèn o ni ko mâ da èni. I used this particular proverb because ,woman remain the closest to a man, irrespective of how militarily endowed or mightily blessed spiritually. He that will betray ,will always betray. The funniest part is that the present Vice-President of the federal Republic of Nigeria is a Christian, in fact, a renowned Provincial pastor of Redeemed Christian of God , and yet the state of health of the INCUMBENT PRESIDENT IS NOT MADE PUBLIC, why? isn't that a betrayal of trust placed on his shoulder as the vice president to inform the eager citizens who voted because of the vice President's church and his Christian background? . Do you know how Europeans and the rest of the world, mock Nigerians? So, my dear bro, if a Muslim guy had offended you in the past, it doesn't mean a Christian chap hasn't done the same to other Muslims. We, all have a our own story to tell. In a nutshell, betrayal is everywhere but when you ride with a like mind, you conquer beyond your imagination. The like mind are the ones that will salvage Yoruba land from the grip of the wolves and they are the ones that will make the difference. So be a part to the SOLUTION and when we get to that part of the bridge, we will know how to cross it. During the day of Ilorin overzealousness to make Yoruba land, an absolute Islamic nation, Some of the Yoruba warriors were Muslims. You can verify through OSHOGBO WAR IN 1840 between Yoruba warriors combined against Ilorin fanatics between 1824—1840.



Cheers bro

Omofunaab2:
But what will you suggest to allay the fears and suspicion of many?


Do you think having strong and stringent immigration laws will solve this?

There is no doubt that some of these people are stiff necked if it is about through any means to make money. However, measure that can be taken to address such issues to allay the fear of some of our people are :
Accurate data of all citizens as well as foreigners residents in Odu'a nation.
Structured policing that will start from community setting –federal level that will be corrupt free and without infringing on citizens right and also obeying the United Nations blue print on Human Rights.
Mandatory military six months training for all males citizens of Odu'a nation once, such person is eighteen years old because these will build more confidence on all individual either as a serving military personnel or not .
The border of Odu'a nation must be manned to avoid illegal entry of all possible terrorists .
Loyalty must first be to one nation before anything else.


I want to see the day one Odu'a citizen will be equal to five United States of American in every facet of our lives.

Obaluf0n:
I don't even care if Owa Obokun himself impregnated Ologun kutere, Eleko is no different from Emir of Ilorin whose maternal progenitor was from Oyo, I think Iseyin. Eko's throne has been hijacked by Bini, the same way fura drinkers hijacked ilorin. We cannot keep trying to romance these thrones, we need to cut them down to size abd dwindle their influece -- you see what Bini have done to Yoruba influence on their throne? We need start doing the same.

It is time Olotto, the representative of Olofin Ogunfunminire is raised to his actual status of ownership of Lagos and all Awori land.

Eleko has no royal bearings in history, the office is an appendage of Oba Bini and should not be lord over kings with ancestral crowns predating the white clothe tying over the head baale

Honestly, they are all very funny. If not politics, shouldn't OSOLU -IRÈWÈ be graded ahead of Eleko that doesn't control more beyond part of Lagos Island. Anyway, washing one's dirty linen in public isn't a good one. It is high time Yorubas ignore the ungrateful people that kept distorting history because of economic and political reason.

tosyne2much:
Nobody can bleep my wife and live to tell about it. It's either I relegate him to six feet or make him kuku kill me. One must sha happen

You are funny. Infact very funny, considering the Nigerian ladies that are money freak. You better let go of such Woman because “Beautiful ones are yet to be born." You do have a lot of alternative

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Obaluf0n:
Bini is not Yoruba, we only had a connection with their throne and arts and that is where it stops.
The same way Eko (Lagos Island) is Yoruba populated but Oba Bini had a connection with Eleko's throne and that is where it stops.

They were shut of the throne by Ologun Kutere. A Yoruba man whose father was from Ijesa called Alaagba. Yoruba always keep records. Don't mind them jaare

Obaluf0n:
LoL, I see you're getting seriously ignored but I'll give you the attention you so desire but for one time only.

At the emboldened, are you aware the Oba of Lagos is only the Oba of Idumota and every other corner of modern Lagos state belongs to the Yoruba of Awori, Ijebu, Ikoyi whose kings are directly connected to Ife/Oduduwa, Awujale, Alaafin and Ogu people of Badagry. And Oba of Lagos' kingdom is no more than few streets?

I hope the Oba of Eko and your historical documents told you that as well.

Stop quoting slave descendant.Dont let him derail this thread. OYATSE /OYASHÉ are slaves descendants. I mock BINI peoples. But , honestly don't allow him distract you.

kozmicity:
The Yoruba people have some land in Delta state and as for Edo state...So you just want us to leave Benin town??...or is it not a Yoruba town?

Make BINI carry their wahala go. They have no respect for my ancestors.We don't need people that will use a left handedness to point to their ancestors home..

Hati13:
Universal facts of any language
- it lend for others, and
- borrow from others

But it doesn't mean that a specific language doesn't has a specific place of origin and the origin of the different Yoruba languages are in West Africa according to language scholars.

Get your facts right!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language

You are quoting 20st century information. I said go back to history and check words. KING SOLOMON WAS A BLACK MAN.
My ancestor's name was OLU-“SI".
The Yoruba “SI" is the same meaning with Semitic “SI" = EXIST / LIVING.

I WILL BE RIGHT BACK

Hati13:
Are you serious?

Bantus/Negros originated from West Africa, so they are true African.

Semitic languages developed in the Middle East, while Yoruba language which is part of the Niger-Congo developed in West Africa, so how can you say Yorubas are Semitic?

I will tell you about the origin of Ancient Hebrews/Jews in my next comment.

Yoruba language didn't develop in west Africa. You can find similar words (Semitic) shared in Middle East present in Yoruba language. And these words weren't borrowed. Get your facts right!

boluwatife66:
opening this thread and seeing how intelligent discuss can be done am sure will send a message to others who thinks their problem is yoruba. but I add that a lot of us need to do more research rather than comment out of share emotions.I Okun Yoruba from Kogi state and a lot of us have our roots from either Oyo or ile ife. we also need to know that the fact that the itshekiris speaks a dialect doesn't make someone from Ogun or ekiti more Yoruba than him. I have loved with them and I know this as a fact every Yoruba group speak one dialect or another for example we have the the ijebu akoko the egba and others.

No Yoruba hate itsekiri but itsekri always playing the pampered “pikin" because most of them don't see reason to align with their Yoruba relatives until they have problems with their neighbors. And that's when they realize, they have bigger brothers. Suffice to say that, ignorance of not knowing one identity is the major problem with some itsekiri because of their Location. You are very correct about dialects. They don't even speak Ilaje as much they speak EKITI and this what all of us have within our different locality

forgiveness:
I heard about their operations in Warri during the era of Goodluck Jonathan but as at now OPC seems to be weak in the west.

Now, I can't confirm.

They are not weak but gone underground. Some were raising eyebrows against Chief Gani Adams leadership. And wanting him to step down. From my calculation Chief Gani Adams may step down as OPC leader.

SuperS1Panther:
Yeah you are right.

He was part of the refugees fleeing from the killing machines from Fouta Jallon.

The problem with Abdul Kadri, Alimi's son was that he was cajoled when he went to learn Quranic knowledge under the Sultanate at the North. He was a half Yoruba(his mother) and half Mahlian. This was an easy ride for him because of his Yoruba link. And from this, Afonja was rebelled against. And it done on the refugee citizens that fled Oyo that a warrior like Afonja couldn't be killed as he was highly dreaded but he was killed . Thereafter, Ilorin was temporary lost until other Yoruba in Ilorin discovered, it was not true that God sent Alimi's descendants because JUJU(VOODO) they condemn, was used against ILORIN and they were defeated in 1840.That was the end of them. Oyo was collecting tributes from them after that because some of their major warriors captured by combination of Ibadan warriors and other Yorubas. In Ilorin Sufism is very highly practice among the Ilorin people(using of tray for divination). As far as Ilorin is concerned, it is Yoruba land . And Nigeria is what gave the Alimi's descendants an edge due to British intervention and partition of Africa by Europeans. However, we don't hate them but they must follow the rules and regulations of Yoruba land. Let me critically emphasise here, that there is no iota of doubt that few Ilorin apologists exist here and Alimi's descendants. It is noteworthy that we all can live in peace and harmony with ourselves but the anomalies need be corrected in Ilorin.