₦airaland Forum

Pharaoh4rin:
As for me, if there's a way to denounce the hausa-fulani of the credit, I'll be happy. One Fulani lecturer once told me in skool that we're a conquered region, that they're d original Nigerians. He claimed that d name "yoruba" was given to d SW by them and the yoruba knows that. I was hurt but had to maintain my cool, though he expected something worse. The point is, the "Yoruba" should be looked into. It may be late tho. I'm not a student of history but it's crazy how these uncircumcised bigots keeps coming up with sh.i.t as this!

Lol! Uncircumcised in reality . I wish you knew Yoruba history deep at that period the lecturer stated such, So that you probably make mockery of him because nothing informative is written about their exploit in West Africa.

MetaPhysical:
Ooni told me Yoruba and Ibo are inseparable. Ive stayed glued to them ever since. They enjoy it o.

When i travel to Imo. Im going offline. They will miss me.

Ibo kwenu!
Ibo kwenu!!
Ibo kwenu!!!

Ooni's statement is not conversant with Yoruba's identity, in relationship with other ethnic group. So he is incorrect because he doesn't know much on Yoruba ethnography or what pictographs serves,except based on western world interpretation. Perhaps, he needs accept the reality that yoruba are different and not as hairy as the more hairy Ibos.

2prexios:
Thanks for the update bro.

Let's do a little in-depth linguistic analysis. You know if a word stays in a language for a while, it absorb many ideas to itself and become the fad of the time until events overshadow the era and the same word starts to decay to become an enigma.

1) First port of call in this regard is abaja. It's the ancient equivalent of the term "alphabet". The Yoruba has lost their rune and tablets, so they scribble makeshift "abja" (abaja) on the face of the children of the aristocrats.

2) The very first post on this thread is ended with "erinmoje omo sa'aja". Aja, the dog was a favorite name with the ancient Yoruba. It's not just for the dog, but for speed, hence we says 'ja pa' today We find the same term in 'Moremi Aja soro'.

Aja concealed a lot of historical ideas for the Yoruba, it's transitive form, oja is Yoruba for the municipal. Ja sooro is colloquial for a straight line acceleration. It's akin to Aja soro.

That should remind us of the shooting stars, or best if our thoughts can carry it, the canister major, the skylight that guided the Mariners of old, whence it is said "omo Oyinbo fo'ju orun s'ona" in oriki Eletu Iwase.

3) The Arabic huduhudu

The Arabic for a bird is "huduhudu": compared with odudu, odu du, O-du in Awori dialect means one who fled. Maja masa lafin'makin. The flight was a theme in Yoruba history, so much that the term Osa was coined to immortalize it.

This gave us the phrase Osa eleye. Oduduwa was coined to mean "the great one that fled to live". This is echoed in Osun oshogbo oroki asala: where asala means flight of survival.

Mind you, the word Oduduwa is an enigma. As such, it has more than one meaning, no doubt. It has its accurate biblical meaning I'm not privy to share.

It's true that a female can only be a regent in Yoruba, but the term Ile Aye comprising Yoruba shows the fact that it's a woman behind the curtain. Iye or Aye is the feminine version of Iba or Aba.

Moremi

In M.A. Fabunmi's Ife, the Genesis of The Yoruba Race, Moremi was posit as the wife of Oranmiyan and a native of Ofa, Oduduwa was said to have been pursued from the palace by Obatala.

This tradition shows that Oduduwa was once a fugitive. You can factor in the Bini tradition at this point. MA Fabunmi concluded that Obameri eventually routed Obatala and brought Oduduwa back to Ife.

This tradition is open to reinterpretation. Obameri is akin to Oluweri: the phrase Obameri connotes king that knows his way on the rivers. By this token, Oduduwa came to Ife from ifeh with the help of the seafarers.

Obatala

I'm from the Obatala stock, according to my mum on dad's. Obatala means Oba Ota Ola. It could mean a king that cherish simplicity and abhors opulence. Stoic kind of king.

It could also means that he was the king of Ota, known as Ola back in antiquity. Perhaps it's the root of Ola in my oriki, as the lineage was sired by Osolo, the first king of Ota.

Obatala is identical with ilakose, ila-oko-ose. Ola is therefore the husband of Ose. I'm demonstrating how history can be gleaned from Yoruba terminologies here, because the ancestors were humans and not spirits.

Yoruba founding fathers have descendants till this day. Albeit, the original Obatala was a contemporary of Olokun, who lived in the antiquity of the Yoruba antiquity. He's the one referred to as morinori ode orun.

Oranmiyan

This is from the heart of Oduduwa. It means my case ended up in truce, my cause is justified or my problem ends in success. Oran in Yoruba is plight or trial. Like I've said earlier, Oduduwa returned to face the law of the land.

However, she ended up in victory, Ose. She escaped from all the trappings of the law. After the long career, she became a reformer and teacher of the law to her adherents.

1. The Yoruba people's founding fathers,who established the language developed gradually as with other proto language. And I must confess, I have not seen abaja as the pioneer term for Yoruba alphabet but aroko.The Aroko are ideograms made use of animal parts such as tusk, horn, palm tree, shepherd stick, eyes, stone, human skull, water,fish etc. Anyway, I will find more work on it.

2. Aja, has many meaning from the antiquity. One of the meaning is, above , in the inner sky, upstairs etc so I won't limit it to dog.Heavenly place has always been the end o the beginning of Yoruba's worldview as a rest place where one won't die anymore; the land of the eternal living.

3. It is interesting to find out such word Arabic word such as huduhudu meaning bird but the cognate must be true to make sense. Odudu, odu, o- du in Awori dialect is also found in Koine Yoruba language which mean to flee in figurative apeecjy. Massa,mosa, motisa are all Yoruba word that is true cognate with Hebrew language. Even dud is jar, pot, cauldron in Classic Hebrew. Bird in Hebrew is oph, ofe, which showed tbe word were originally descriptive Yoruba word for bird as ofo, onfo; oun to ofo.

4.Oduduwa is not in the Bible bro. And I agree with you that many actually distorted the meaning and purpose attached to the identity of the man and his God's personality. O dud iwa do have meaning if one understood the reality of descriptive nature of Yoruba word and purpose it serve.

Contrary to the wrong information propagated by Oyo apologists, such as Rev. Samu Johnson, Ajayi Crowther,M.A fabunmi, Bolaji Idowu, etc that O dud Iwa was a diety identified by some as a female deity which show the chaotic situation Yoruba's have found themselves, The reason is this, I am a descendant of the man and there is no worship or Temple of O dud Iwa in my own place or any other place where Ore-elu re- (Ore) is venerated. In fact, it is part of my own history that the original ogboni were rebels to my ancestors before the new one was formed in around mid 20th century. So, irrespective of how you see the personality of Odu Iwa, whose knowledge was brought to fore by Ifaodu priests and the Shepherd kings lineage.Furthermore, either way you perceived it, female personalities have limitations in my own ancestral belief.

In my own tradition or other Oranmiyah descendants, Bini submits to what what is traditionally Yoruba , so don't factor Bini into it because Ore is highly venerated in the place where dud (dauod) descendants established the ideology without dominace of the aborigines in that area. Ileife, Otun Moba in Ekiti,other Ekitis use Iwa,Owa as part of their panegyric. And Otun moba has acount in which the pioneer ancestors, said, tbey emerged through the sea. This showed migrants from somewhere and these people never for once claimed descendants of dauod or but do do have information about the involvement with Oshinmole and worship of Ore lu re(Thanksgiving unto God). These people of Otun Moba do veneration of Ore,so why is Bini not having this knowledge of Otun Moba ? Kindly don't factor in Bini land because my history state that Bini as a land was occupied at the detriment of the aborigines.

5.On Obatala history,it is either be true or modified false. So, giving your own interpretation to the
name explicitly acceptable but one need to understand the beginning of creative word of God,which ‘La', which is to go out to shine upon something, to break forth light, to be successful, to shine, to be light,to have absolute purity, to be white etc from traditional concept of the meaning. Thus, let's handle interoeo through some balance between traditional idea, scholars research work, and Abrahamjc religion believers concepts.

‘Ora n mee yah' from the descriptive meaning of the word doesn't actually mean my case ended up truce but more akin to, Lord brighten his spirit on me or Lord' breath show my glory,or Lord is whom I have chose ,‘ because, even in today's present Ileife,Ora is prefixed to the names of some kings which describes their adopted identity. Historically the name mean was once borne by ancient Yorubas which mean,God, ‘light' that God emanates from, brightness, name of a powerful man,lord, name of one Yoruba ancestors linked to the ancestors of Dud, daud, dauod ogun etc

Finally, o-dud-Iwa are two dinstict identity; one is the worshiper of Iwa,while he is a man. Thus, being identified as a woman is a FALSE but a misinterpretation by both some traditionalist or modern scholars who didn't do much research on the personality of Iwa; God because , Ela was figuratively mentioned as marrying Iwa as his wife, which became part of him. Ela is not a man nor Iwa. So, I don't agree with you on this.



Note: My submission is based on my ancestral history, and research work.


Cheers

2prexios:
Yes boss,

Fact can't contradict, only that there's no only one answer most times. Your inputs are right.

Of course Jehovah is a misnomer and wrong handling of qere transferred to ketiv inherent in the masoretic text. But the word has come to stay.

Oluyare

Yare, oluyare this featured in moremi's tradition. It's an indication that what we have in our tradition is cognate with Yare (anglicized as Jair).

By this token, Moremi's tradition derived from the Levant experience of the Yoruba. It validate my claim that Moremi was Oduduwa.

It's hard to assimilate but let's keep it somewhere for now. Given that the Oluyare were the Igbo, Obatala was the king of the Igbo.

Moremi was the infiltrator who penetrated the palace (Oyo Alaafin). Yare was her opponents, Oluyare is another word for Obatala.

Fact file

Yare should mean in Hebrew "fearful", "dreadful" to validate the claim of Ife that the Oluyare were fearful masquerade attacking the Ife.

Lahami (Bethlehem) should play out in the Hebrew and alami (spy) should be traceable in Yoruba tradition. This are pointers.

The horse

The Yoruba word Esu equally have a remote connection with the horse. A bit busy now.

Please read about elhanan the jairite online.

Hmmm, quite insightful but I am aware of the name ‘Dud' and its variation in classic Hebrew which is rendered as Dawid and more often as David in many English language quarters. Meanwhile the Arabic and Yoruba call the name ‘Daud,Daoud, Dawaodu and Iwa is YHWH ' If one transliterate the ideograms into Latin-roman alphabets that's involved.


Now on the name Dud-Iwa as feminine is obviously not correct from my perspective because Iwa is a name attached as prefix to many kings panegyric in Eastern Yorubas, prove female can only be a regent and never a King. In Yoruba tradition,there are many things women can't do due to menses. So no matter how you posit it from the angle of complex tradition in which some clans intend to impose inaccurate view on Odu Iwa or Igba Iwa ( Calabash of Iwa or conduit through manifestation of Iwa came to be) will always hit the rock. Are you not aware that the people who claimed Odu Iwa as female need realised that there is no Iwa without Ela ro Iwa which can also be translated as, God's manifestation of perfect character ? In this regard Iwa is the accurate unblemished character of Ela, that has an Ifaodu corpus to it. So Moremi as a woman of honour, whose story is associated with Elu (ro o gbo); A mystical man born by her , whose history is not well documented in Yoruba's account but has striking look alike personality with Yeshua, who died,rose and ascended to heaven.

Furthermore, from the oral account and some form of lettering found Elu ro o gbo's Temple jn Ileife, which has not been translated make it looks like the founder of Yoruba's religion were Hebrew with Coptic Christian knowledge who had loggerhead with people that practised a form sand divination and believed in ‘Al'lah' ; from Oba ti Ala' or Oba ti she al ala(lord or God of purity)' if one consider the rejection of alcohol consumption, ram sacrifice, amulets usage, etc by the followers of this deity and adornment of white apron to cover the torso as done in Near East.

Note: In Ileife, in Ore groove, amongst the figurines or pictographs, there exist Odu Iwa or Igba Iwa (a covered calabash) which has controversy attached to. In fact, in some quarters, obatala is also said to be feminine in nature. Susan Blier did research on it.

MetaPhysical:
I found a better information with precise reference.


The original two images in the opening of this thread have people with marks.

The mark on their face and the mark on this guys face pictured below are similar, or same.

There is some level of affinity or co-belonging. Wherever the guy below belongs, the subjects in the opening also belong....or are not far off.



https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262637276_The_Structure_and_Function_of_Yoruba_Facial_Scarification

Uba me, pardon my late response which has been as a result of BOT. On the course of our chat, I must be honest with you that I know that the three whisker cat's marks that are found amongst Yagba or Okun people in the below screenshot are seemingly copied from the Hausa link group, who still bear the marks till today. Katsina, Kaduna, etc have such marks on some of them . In fact, I have seen some of them physically.

Perhaps, you will realise that Ileife was a cosmopolitan city ; people from different parts of the world came to live in it, as at the period of the emergence of Dud descendants who migrated and established monarchy system with medieval civilization in the present place the renamed Ileife. It is on record that some thought, Dud-Iwa is a feminine shrine which is a misconception by the learners of the the teavhers language that wad brought by Dud - Iwa.


Are you aware of Oko Iwa( Niwa-Nuah) in Udanre hill? Information about the Yoruba are mind blowing if you know why there was war when Dud-IWa and group arrived and established ileife.

I submit,

Cheers.

macof:
any Yoruba speaker knows something is off there
it's unlikely that a single word of a single syllable with the same tone would have so many different translations. Meanings are based on tones in tonal languages of the Niger-Congo group of languages. Homonyms are for example Ògún, Ogún etc not Ògún and Ògún

But let me move past this, after all I was the one who asked you to always use dictionary since I caught that you often say words and meanings that don't match
let's then agree that ok probably bà means to germinate

What about Busa, Boti, Bose, busi? Why did you not show us dictionary translation for these?

Also my question to you was actually to provide your source for the 53 Egyptian-Yoruba words you put there. I already embarrassed you on using Obenga to justify your claim that yoruba are not of African origin, which is the opposite of what Obenga was saying
Obenga was trying to illustrate that Egypt is a true African civilization by connecting it to other true African groups

lol. I have answered you,so bury your head in humility!

Your pride has taking away your ability to maneuver through understudy beyond written works which all authors believe that once a better version of information exist through hieroglyphs, pictographs, ideograms,philology, which you take with levity, in which one need to consider critical analysis of Yoruba's ethnography.

How can you embarrass me when those cognates exist ? In ‘Kings and Crown' there is word as an Egyptian's Pharaoh's word known as liad,which means ‘chamber', place where Pharaoh discuss with his council. Guess what ? Iledi comes to mind! Honestly, my take on your personality is that your pride is grandeur and pride comes before fall.

Well on provision of the cognates comparison,will only make you feel bitter. But you can read the description between Yoruba and Egyptians Coptic connection in Olumide Lucas and Cannon 's work.So, also Olomu and eyebira on Egyptian connection. Perhaps, once you humble yourself, I shall consider it.



Cheers

2prexios:
Alright bro,

Pardon my error, it should be elhanan. I missed the last letter. The information is a rare insight.

I wish you read more on Jair (Yare) the Bethlehemite for clear picture of where I'm driving at. It's been a while sir.

Irukere

This paraphernalia is important to the Yoruba kings, let's say iye omo nii gbomo, irukere nii gbomo orunmila for instance.

The horsetail is used as adornment in Turkish military. Could it be a coincidence with that of the Yoruba? What's the connection?

The link however is, how does the horsetail got to the Yoruba in the first instance?

We can consider this by comparing the closest words to Yoruba for the horse as the route through which the horse came to Yoruba.

Yoruba ...Esin
English ...horse
Hebrew ...Esu
Latin. ...Equus
Greek ....Hippos
French ....Cavali
Arabic ...Hisanu

In the above, the three words sharing similarities are the Yoruba, English and Hebrew. There had been a lost connection in the ancient history between the three languages.

Esin-horse, Yoruba English

Esin-horse: back in the days of the slave trade, a Yoruba man is exchanged for a stallion, which is a prize at the time.

A horse from English language can settle down in Yoruba language as eshin if we got it first from England in trade exchange.

The same is tenable with sile for shilling, karamasiki, charismatic, mundia, just to mention but few.

Esin-Esu, Yoruba Hebrew

Eshin-Esu this is to assume that the Yoruba had earlier knowledge of the horse. Note, the horse is not a fauna of Yoruba land.

Then when they saw it again, they recognize it as what they used to know as eshin. But then Esu and eshin did not sound similar.

Both words derived from the same source and since languages continue to change when they separates each word equally changes.

Esin and Esu therefore derived from the same sound, much more closely related than horse.

No problem my oga. But kindly make the questions easy for me in such a way that I can answer you without leaving any one unknowingly.

Thus, Jair in my research work has cognate with jire in one of the generated cognates Although, there are over twenty(20) generated words.

2. I have not done much on Irukere for now. So, my concentration is on linguistic,ideograms,pictographs etc in the connection.


3. Eshin has about two or more different names from my research work.I have not come to the knowledge of ‘Esu as Hebrew word for horse.' This is a pointer to the fact,that the Classic Hebrew interpreters are not perfect in the accurate name and transliteration and interpretation, which I mentioned that ‘Jehovah' didn't exist in Hebrew lexicon which English language interpreted around 17th century,until further studies begun to reconstruct the near the accurate . Meanwhile, name chosen are, sus, susa(h) and horesh.

Note. Send me your e-mail so that I can give you a weblink to read through and do research on if need be.


Cheers

macof:
another poor attempt
I am aware of Obenga 's ancient Egyptian - sub saharan Africa common origin hypothesis using certain words.
He never restricted his words list to Yoruba alone. He mentions Egyptian connection to all of Africa not just Yoruba

Rendering your claims of yoruba being of non-African origin essentially invalid if he is your source. you should tell me the real source of your claims

Also you have posted his list before and I already pointed out problems with it :
the yoruba part of his list gives wrong translations into english eg.
bà is not germinate
Bùsi is not bless
Bọ́sé is not secretly
Bùsà is not honor or respect
And its Ọtí not Bọ́ti


this is the word list from Obenga and it is clearly not the Egyptian-Yoruba wordslist i asked a source for. This is a different list
www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f


I asked you for the source of this



Neither Obenga nor Ellis are your source. Try again, the third time

‘ Ba' is not germinate? This only show how many lies you had posted in the past and this particular one.

No wonder, people who are well studied or studying agree to the testament of linguistic connection between Yoruba and Egypt, in which you boldly claimed as False!Thoroughly, ‘Ba' is homonymous in nature in which I know more than eight ( meaning of it . Below is a screenshot of ‘Ba' which means ,‘to germinate'.

macof:
Lmao this guy is a real clown

When did I talk about David with you. Are you on drugs or something? I spoke of the "descent from heaven" being a part of yoruba tradition and you started talking about English and Semitic inscription, now David

Come on get outta here if you don't have anything to say again as usual. It's not by force to pitch a reply, when you have no actual response.
Bloody clowns embarrassing themselves

Lol So it suddenly slipped off your mind that the Dawaodu Ie mentioned which you claimed isnt David doesn't exist anymore in your head ? No wonder you seek knowledge yet you remain cunny.

As far as I am concerned, you don't beyond this stage with unless you answer the questions I asked you when i replied to your gibberish.

TAO12:
Yes oo, emi l'omo k'a f'okpa wa, k'a f'aje wa, k'a f'ogede-gede owo wa oko de Isheri Olofin.

Yeah, I believe so about Olu. But that bro is a die- hard Hebrew wanna-be for interesting reasons.

The name "Eko" is a phono-semantic matching of Yoruba and Edo from the earlier original Yoruba name of the "Lagos" settlement, "Oko".

Talking about ownership, as far as the historical evidence is concerned, the "Lagos" region was first settled by the Aworis.

No doubt some Binis, Ijebus, and others who later came to be attracted there for trade purposes, did become absorbed.

....

TAO12:
Yes oo, emi l'omo k'a f'okpa wa, k'a f'aje wa, k'a f'ogede-gede owo wa oko de Isheri Olofin.

Yeah, I believe so about Olu. But that bro is a die- hard Hebrew wanna-be for interesting reasons.

The name "Eko" is a phono-semantic matching of Yoruba and Edo from the earlier original Yoruba name of the "Lagos" settlement, "Oko".

Talking about ownership, as far as the historical evidence is concerned, the "Lagos" region was first settled by the Aworis.

No doubt some Binis, Ijebus, and others who later came to be attracted there for trade purposes, did become absorbed.

A die hard Hebrew wanna be ? You truthfully make me laugh because you're even sure what you try to posit.

If I am actually wrong, why is there no single connection between the so called Niger Benue confluence people linguistically and Yoruba's except the Yagba or Okun migrants from Ileife which was period that coincided with 12th,13th,14 th ?.


Lastly, Professor Ogunbiyi claimed that from indocrinated scholars have virtually asserted that yoruba language loaned many words from Arabic and traces of Arabic root for Yoruba language.

My only question is: why is Yoruba language seen as learners of Semitic languag unlike Hausa language ?

macof:
What?! Like how do you even come up with bullshit like this

First of all there's no book titled "oduduwan revolution" by A. B. Ellis
Secondly, Ellis has no knowledge of ancient or Coptic Egyptian language so it is very unlikely that he would be the source for that your Egyptian-Yoruba words list
That list has been posted on different online platforms for years without any valid source or verification through a valid Egyptian dictionary

Stop mentioning random authors that you don't even know. If you have no source admit it and save yourself further embarrassment

1.That list remains nothing but a piece of shiit until you provide a dictionary or valid lexica with those words meaning what you claim they mean

Lol. I know you wont understand a simple leeway. Therefore, read Ancient Egyptians and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regualrby Théophile Obenga.

2. Ellis, A.B., The Yoruba speaking people of slave coast of West Africa, their religion customs, manners, laws ,language etc anthropological publishers

Note: Unless you respond to my questions in the previous posts, I won't entertain your views anymore.

macof:
This was the point you were supposed to respond to with this your point 1?? Really?
Does your response really make sense to you?

If you can't address something, why not leave it unanswered instead of going off topic?

Please make sure you are ok before trying to respond to my posts

You seem to be intellectually dehydrated because, I responded to your ignorance because, you claimed Dawaodu is not tenable but David. Unfortunately for your type,there is no ‘ v' in ‘WaW', except the one which was later created through interpretation of Septuagints that spread to Europe.

I didn't go topic. So stop lying.

Obviously you have no clue to the questions I asked you in my reply. Thus, I won't give you anymore audience unless you answer my questions as well. Afterwards, you seek knowledge that seem strange to you.


Note: note my fault but yours

gowonmaharajah:
@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

Thanks for the follow up. I doff my hat .

absoluteSuccess:
Daodu or David is derived from an ancient word much earlier than Israel adoption of it, meaning "leader". David had a real native name, Elhana.

Bro, a man who can kill bear with a bare hand is Ehana proper in Yoruba. Assume the letter "l" to be silent in Yoruba in this circumstance.

So Daodu and Beere are words that may have come with the Yoruba from ancient Palestine. I may not be privy of its influence on Oduduwa as a name tho.

Just wanted to affirm the root of the Daodu as Dawood (David), where it means leader. And do you have any idea of the horsetail paraphenalia?

No such name as Ehana is linked to Dawud or David because I am not aware of it.. Meanwhile, in Near East culture, hunting, expedition,remain part of their culture in the same manner that animal husbandry is a major work being done. So, he wasn't the only one that was good at hunting. Although he was extra ordinary a brilliant, warrior, compassionate, humble, good judge, self willed, and a believer of supreme God.

Root word : Dal+ Waw+ Dal (d,w,d)
Dal: d
Waw: w,o,u
Dal: d

Note: Sorry for the late reply because I had bot problem severally and becane pissed off.


Cheers

macof,

David is not the accurate meaning of the man's name in the same way Hebrew is not accurate instead, Abari is (Eber, Aboram or Eboram ) what you people and western world misunderstood; English interpreters of Septuagint works,which is not accurate as well unless one consider the account of Arab who are closest to Hebrew. The newer study shows that Abari is accurate. This doesn't mean that the interpreters didn't do their best at it ,in the same manner Oral Yoruba account have some truth and some overstated or false information, on Obatala and Oduduwa or dawaodu. Mind you considering Ora mi yah as a name of a descendant of Oshimole ; one who came with the knowledge of ‘Iwa'.

Do you know the story of Ebora in Yoruba's history ?


Funnily the Arabic inscription attested to Dawud. David. The 'W' which is Waw didn't have any diacritics nor does any word found in the early era had diacritics. So,I stand by the two names that exist in Yoruba and Arab's account as cognate. Dawud or Dawudu or Dawaodu mean, unlce or head or leader in both Language. Either you believe it or not, the kingly lineage was destroyed in 509 BC when Yudah had no king due to captivity

To prove further point, there is no word like Jehovah in the Bible, which is contrary to the wbat you have heard from people ,as a name of God. The word is:
Yud+ Hey + Waw + Hey ,which is called ‘YHWH'

Even at this, you can can't pronounce this word without considering the sacred identity of Ela, in both Yoruba and the Classic Hebrew. The amazing thing is that the meaning is unknown among the interpreters of classic Hebrew interpreters. In Yoruba's worldview Iwa is seen as the name character of Ela. Meanwhile.considering the alphabets that made up of the YHWH

Yud; ee,I or y; Y is used in the beginning while I or ee are used in between or at the end

Hey: H or ah; H ,used in the beginning and Ah as the last when added to word to make a meaning

Waw: o,w,u ;

Despite the above analysis by western interpreters, there are ‘minute' errors in the interpenetration of the alphabets, considering the word and some others.

Clearly, if you understand the reverence to ‘Iwa', then you will appreciate the fact that Odu Iwa(Igba Iwa) is amazingly seen and venerated as Ela's personification, which is different from Arabic world view. This doesn't mean there is no connection or link between Arabic with Yoruba's, if you realised that knowledge of Islam simultaneously is in parallel with some form of Yoruba's sacrifice. Ram,sheep,as a sacrificial animal,even if some other culture in West Africa learned it through Ifaodu's knowledge as found in today's world in South and North America.

macof:
1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.



4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

1. Stop being ignorant If your understanding of English language does not conform with Semitic inscription. This doesn't mean the comparative analysis is not false.

2. I didn't take Muhammad Bello's account as the bais because Ahmed Baba wrote it first in 17th century and not just Muhammad Bello's account of 19th century. Lol

4. Ifaodu is the accurate word from the Semitic inscription which I have read and not Odu ifa. This doesn't mean Oduifa is not also used as a West Africa entry. In near East account, Ifa is prefix in this regard. But what does Ifa mean, since you have knowledge of it?

b. Ifaodu is beyond history, herbology. So try to understudy through Ifaodu priest: Olifa or Alufa or Onifa .

Ephod is not a garment but to cast lot.

Raml : Arabic
Urim: Hebrew
Ramiela; orunmiela
From the above the three have related root.

c. What about the left dancing ?
What about the bowing of one's two knees while the two hands are raised up in worship of Ela; as an initiate when you pray before your Ifaodu calabash ?

d. Hebrews and Arab are related ,so don't doubt the link between the two. Interestingly, even the biblical written research work proved that some words were borrowed from Arabic words.

Are you even aware that nearly all Yoruba daily words were drawn from Arabic roots ?

It is true, that in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Edo in the same way fa is found in North Africa. So it is not new whence you teach people part of religion despite the fact that they are not Yoruba ethnically linked group. Unfortunately for you, non of these non of the people have boldly came up to showcase this religion jn western world as Yoruba's Ifaodu that's respected .

Are you even aware that Western scholars claimed Ifaodu is learned or taught by Arabs to yoruba people ?

macof:
I made some corrections (in bold)

I couldn't confirm any of the egyptian words here to be what you claim they mean. But i did find errors
So imagine no word was verified but a few errors came out.

How then can you defend this list? Do you have a dictionary or comprehensive lexicon that can verify these words since nobody here speaks egyptian
@lx3as

Read Oduduwan Revolution by A.B Ellis for a start.

kayfra:
You have the best made up words in the business

Kindly Read A.B Ellis : Oduduwan Revolution.

macof:
Again...

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting

I wonder what false cognate mean to you? Such erudite scholar like you don't even know the difference between false and true cognate in two cultures or more . Even few related Hausa group use “Barbar" or Baba for mother,depending of lettering though my spelling may be incorrect but the pronunciation is closely related! So ,you make me laugh with this your view that holds no water. Abeg, move on bro.

Obalufon:
what is the significant of 16. to yoruba tradition 16 odus

I know, amongst others, it represent Yoruba foundational Settlements in Ileife . And there are other significances which I have not asked my teachers on. Anyway, I will get back to or you you can throw in more light on it.



Note: Sorry for the late response.

macof:
this guy needs help.. Anywhere you see a semitic people mentioned you lose your mind and go nuts

Even your own post answers your question

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting
Does that answer your question?

Lol! So cant see? Hebrew and Aramaic use Ba, and Abba respectively for Father. While Baba is used between Arabic and Hindu, for father. It is as simple as abc.

Obviously, you are the one that need help because you are read and have no knowledge of what you engage me on!

Aba is word known in Yoruba circle which we agreed to mean father,when one uses it for one's biological father, or family's head, leader. This same word “.ba" is used to prefix ile,ale(land) and it means, “Baale" etc.


“Ba", according to the screenshot below is Aramaic in origin from an English language dictionary.


Baba is also used in Yoruba land for father, grandfather, etc. Unfortunately, these two words are shown in the dictionaries as non of Yoruba's. Thus, looking at definition of English dictionaries state as :

1.A kind of sponge cake soaked in rum-flavoured syrup.

2.(esp. among people of East European ancestry) A grandmother.

3. An old woman, especially a traditional old woman from an eastern European culture.

4. A father (esp. among people of Indian ancestry)

5. A holy man, a spiritual leader among Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism)

6. A baby, child in India.

7. In baby talk, often used for a variety of words beginning with b, such as bottle or blanket.

Definition found in 4,5,& 6 are cognates with Yoruba's.

Obviously. Baba is India, Arabic, etc in origin.


Questions :

1. Are these accidental cognate loaned from foreign language ?

2.Does it mean, Yoruba don't have aboriginal name for father ?



macof, TAO12

macof:
1. Be more coherent, stop trying to use English that you can't use in order to seem articulate.
I can barely understand what you are trying to say
So I would rather not assume on what you could have meant here

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. Nothing connects Opa Oranmiyan with sultan Bello's story of yoruba origin.
You just talk too much and eventually talk off point

4. Yoruba also have traditional and ritual scarification patterns.. If you like argue.. Let me embarass you again

You are yet to prove that yoruba religion was brought from the near East. Claims and more claims but no substance.
You would tell us where in the near east they have 16 primary Odu-Ifa and a total of 256 Odu, where Ogun laakaye depicted as a black man with raffia leaves is worshiped in the near East, where they have masquerades like egungun, gelede etc in the near east, where there is the philosophy of Orí, where placing sacrifice on 3 way junctions exists in the near east
Where our Irunmole and Orisa and the stories around them exist in the near east


5. Since you have no evidence to present here why then do you expect sensible people to take you seriously? Wait till you finish your book and present all the evidence you failed to present here in the book.
You make claims that you are not willing to prove and get angry when called out lmao
What exactly is that. You should

6. Yoruba Language is not the same as Egyptian coptic language. If a Yoruba man were spoken to or give a text in coptic language, he would not understand a thing
Yoruba was used extensively in many parts of the lower Guinea as a lingua franca.
How does Yoruba being spoken in the Bini and Dahomean courts relate to Yoruba being of semitic origin?
Stop going off topic

Lol. Deceit js what you know how to do. So, I won't answer your question to pick more Hebrew words from me. But I will post what and when I desire. So, stop behaving as unread person.

1. What is the Yoruba story ? Please explain beyond incoherent information of descending from Heaven . You people aren't realists! Well, my ancestor in my Oriki mentioned Oru as their place of origin, Am I also from Heaven ?

2. Bro macof you skip information nos: 2! Are you under pressure ? !

3. I didn't mentioned Sultan Bello says, Opa Orammiyah in his account. You and lie are like 5&6. Interestingly other scholars who have more knowledge on Egyptians hieroglyphs did research on it and they realised it wasn't built by Egyptians elite nor its type found in Sub Sahara,although Ibos have a pyramid, which is similar to the one found in Egypt. So, the conclusion as at that time, was that there are characters on the Opa Oranmiyan. Deal with it

4. Yoruba's Ifaodu is written in Torah as Eyphod or Ephod. Google can help you find the proposed meaning of it on Wikipedia.

b. Pick up books to know that shrines in Near East of ancient Hebrew did built alter as Yoruba people did in the past. Google will help you solve this small issue.

c. Ask people who have gone to Kaaba in Mecca,how they enter it and compare it with Yoruba's Awo's entry into a shrine . olodo lasan li e.


5. Wait for it. Do you expect me to give away a super information that has taken me years on a platform as this? Certainly not but I share the little with all of you to prepare your mind,so that you will know the wonderful information on Yoruba ancestors and their legacy.

b. Nah, I am not the angry type but you. Trust me, I can only posit my information based on my findings. So far, I have no reason to be angry because my work is true and will hit the stall in the near future.

6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period)
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god)
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant)
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival)
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath)
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god)
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill)
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil)
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open)

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity)
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head)

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river)
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle)
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name)
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Lastly, some of the above words can also mean other things in Yoruba but the above shows Yoruba language was spoken in Coptic era. After all, Ifa Afa, appeared in north Africa at one time or the other in Africa's history. Even attah of Igala said, Ifaodu was a unifying factor beyond Yoruba land with other groups.

MetaPhysical:
It depends on what time period.

The mark on the Nubian on left with turban is same with themark on the girl and this fella pictured second below.

This mark - the 6 whiskers - is either Gobir/Yauri, Igala/Yagba.

Because it has Gombo with it Im leaning more towards Igala/Yagba, against Gobir/Yauri.


However, if records prove the whiskers belong to Gobir/Yauri, then Im leaning towards Yauri.

Yoruba and Tapa wear Gombo.

Yoruba has lost plenty domains and indigenous lands in Nigeria. We were in Kebbi and our language was at one time an indigeneous language in Kebbi State. Similar erosion is taking place in Lokoja, our indigenity and language in Lokoja is loosing its footprint.

I disagree over the mark on the two screenshot of yours because, the people that Yoruba met are actually linked with the scarification you showed. If you have come across some Hausa group as I have , you will understand my point. The newer group that populate Yoruba land didn't wear scarification,unless if Ifaodu dictates on “Abiku".

And it is seen in my own lineage as well that scarification dont exist unless Ifaodu sagy such .In fact, there is a terracotta head in the museum to that effect that was found which a close link to Yagba but that mark is of Hausa origin. I am also familair with Oyo history as you do because, an account claimed though “myth" that Sango was the pioneer of scarification which was borne out the mark he told his servant to impress on another , after the Former failed on a task. And on seeing it, Sango liked and commanded to be scarified.

Furthermore, it can also be affirmed that Oyo's pioneer kingly matrilineal lineage was Nupe bloodline . So, it is understandable but such mark is alien to the real scarification Yoruba language speakers have on their face.

On the Yoruba settlement pattern, is actually based homogeneous style with a form of coordinator structure,which isn't in the pattern in Northern Nigeria that you posited as a loss of Yoruba lands across Niger. Interestingly, Yoruba establish her settlement based on monarchy system. And without a Baale, Oba, no settlement is ever established in Yoruba history. So, northern part across Niger was not as a place Yoruba did settled down and owned though Yoruba migrants existed and existing in that region, which is on record that some Yoruba went into Borgu after the desert of Oyo when Nupe invaded her before reestablishment of her (Oyo)/on military campaign.

Lastly, Lokoja is a peculiar case entirely because Yoruba did named her and established her own settlement in that place but not the only settlers in that vast land because it is not a homogeneous settlement in that region.Other ethnic groups do lived as well in that region.

Amujale:
Below is a piece known as the “Victory Stela of Piye,” whereby the king narrates his conquest of all of Egypt.

The bone of contention is that Egypt was invaded six different times and this invasion, is referring to external and not internal problems. So get the information in its real perspective. Egypt conquest that were six times accordingly :

Assyrian conquest
671 BC
667 BCC
664BC

Persian conquest(Babylonian) Empire:
525 BC

Greek Conquest(Alexander the Great)
332 BC

Holocaust:
564BC:

The above information do not nullify the fact that Egypt ruled over Near East too at a time in history. This is because as at 609BCE , Josiah's son, Jehoazah and his family were taken to Egypt by King Necco; Pharaoh of Egypt

So, no critical scholars dare say that the account recorded in the Torah (teaching, instructing) book of Ezekiel and Jeremiah were recorded after the invasion of Egypt by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. This information prove that Hebrew did lived in Egypt .

macof:

Suzanne Blier doesn't state anything that justifies your semitic origin claim
So stop mentioning her work
I've read all her works so I know

PS. Phoenicians did not invade West Africa, a carthaginian (a North African colony of the phoenicians) Explorer called Hanno sailed across the coast of west africa and had little contact with some kingdoms and settlements in modern Senegal/Guinea

Next time give the correct information and stop trying to twist things

Also contact is not same as origin Dumbass
That the carthaginians sailed to West Africa and saw people there means West Africans have been here
So what is the basis of mentioning this?

You can lie ., I just wonder, where you got the information from me that I mentioned that, Susan Blier mentioned ‘Near East' origin of Anyone in Yoruba land. All I have mentioned about you times without number, is that you are full of rhetorics,which shows that you're not conversant with books reading.

What has been constantly posited is that , she emphatically stated that a newer group invaded the present day IleIfe and impose their own form of worship. It is that simple.

In her book she says, “
Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua.19 At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere).

Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party married indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fathered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states."

Obviously, you and your likes failed to realised that, odudua( Dawaodu) and his group are strangers,who were migrants and need not married into the local if they are part of the cosmopolitan city.

Questions:
1a. Are you even aware how a newer ruler or dynasty deal with the aboriginal when such city is conquered ? You make me laugh!

b.Are you even aware the crown, of Yoruba are Near Prototype ?

c. Are you aware birds significantly appear in Near East culture as Yoruba's ? These questions can never be answered by you! .


Secondly ,non of you that claimed Odudua and his group are from Aboriginal group have shown where Odudua ancestors and his groups ancestors migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. As someone through a professor's view, has posited it, “Bowel of IleIfe".

Thirdly, Egyptians and Phoenicians did invaded West Africa, in search of Slaves, Gold, Ivory, incense, and other minerals. Please read ( Cf Boshoff & Scheffer 2008:38, Clark 1970: 15,219, Lange 2004:277, 279, Le Roux 2008: 7)


Base on the above information, I am waiting patiently to know where “my ancestors" migrated from in that Niger Benue Confluence.


Lastly, you're just too ignorant and emotional over outdated information. as I have emphasized severally because the book I referred was “Religion and Art in Ile-Ife Suzanne Preston Blier", which was written in 2012. Two years after Professor Akintoye's book.

macof:
LOL. Your command of yoruba language is poor for someone who calls me a non Yoruba and claims to be an expert Yoruba language decoder or cripted programmer or how do you call it again?

Ọlọfin is a dialectical version of Alaafin that stuck due to popularity.
In central and eastern Yoruba dialects it is Ọfin (Palace).
Not "one who twists the rules" ..

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you do

Rhetoric is what you posted up there. So as simple as Abc, ọ ni ọfi, Ọni-ọfin, O ni ọfin, Àni ofin, by extension, —Ọlọ-ọfin is older than Ala-Afin.

And the meaning is beyond ‘Palace', which you and TA012, did limit it to mean because Yoruba word is not as simple as it seems to translate without consodering the purpose it serves. This word convey deeper meaning in this regard because, a ‘Palace' is the official residence of a sovereign, archbishop, etc.This can be translated as Ule Oba, Ile Oba, Ale Oba, ( House of a king). Interestingly, the meaning of ọni-ọfin is ‘Court owner', Fort owner, and not just residence of a King.

ọfin is a fort, Court and not just palace.In the same vein, your likes translated Oru as heaven where Oduduwa( Dawaodu) descended from.


2.macof says, Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - ‘Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend),
So it means to descend through a chain' .

Examining the above as illustrated below:

Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) ×

ẹwọn (chain)√

rọ (descend)×


The above meaning is false not true, even if you try to sneak the meaning based on the information circulating over the purported you translation. . Contrary to you he meaning of Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ is not the same as ‘Atẹlewọnrọ or Atẹlewọrọ' .

And your illegal translation,is false which does not mean to descend with Chain, , because in Yoruba's culture,chain or Iron is associated with ‘Ogun'.So stop using political translation to suit yourself.

Intereatingly,I have once tried to interpret this in the past, which I didn't get accurately as you have placed your view on Palace . As ófin .Èwon or sheke or shekesheke, is quite correct to mean (chains) but in this regard , it means :



Atẹ̀ : They/one that bend, ( manufacturer of );
A—tẹ̀ : ‘A' is a pronoun for both singular or plural in this regard

ẹwọn: is the same as , Sheke, Shekesheke (chain)√

rọ : create, mould

Simply mean:
They/one that are/is manufacturer(s)of Iron ore. This is encoded in Ogun, as an Iron ore manufacturer. Plainly, Yoruba language is a continuum and not static. For instance, In some places, Ooni ile is used, while some use Alaale. Does this not mean the same ? So, understanding the root word and possible English translation is important. Abeg make una no dey lie lie ooooo


Question: If you are so sure of your translation, then Did Odudua descended alone from somewhere or Ship as some of you put it in the past?