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macof:
You keep crying and ranting

Point out one thing that is wrong with my response to lx3as's post.
Point out one thing in my response that is not consistent with facts

If a person asks me what I think about something he read and I gave him my response based on facts available to me how is that "destroying"?

You rant and cry that I point out your errors, well maybe stop claiming things that don't hold water when put to the test
Just as the bolded parts of this post are more ridiculous imaginary claims that have no basis in reality

You are yet to show us a text on coptic Egyptian that is mutually intelligibile with yoruba
Support your claims with facts and stop crying that reality is not like your imaginary world

You are just too ignorant to even chat with. But thank God,book written on Yoruba Art by Sussan Blier, is newer than Professor Akintoye. Thus, you are the one full of pseudo information.

Are you even aware Phonecians invaded West Africa in search of people and things ?

Note:
Stop lying and go back to school to acquire more knowledge.

MetaPhysical:
They have witchery!

Hahaha. Indeed you're right. Are you aware vulture don't fly on over Bini land ?

absoluteSuccess:
@Olu, you have a bleeding pen brother.

Mellow the quest for the purest breed of the Yoruba race bro, it's not a place to be because it's not healthy or true. There's no pure breed of people over a thousand years. It's like going the Adolf Hitler way on to another axis of evil.

Our neighbors are not our neighbors by accident but by kinship. You can't get rid of the Iwo Eleru from Yoruba because Frank Willeth/archeology place their history outside your favoured timeframe for Ife civilization.

Nonetheless the place did not get her name from a tongue other than Yoruba, in fact ancient Yoruba. Iwo olodo oba, Iwo Eleru. This two are connected to the term Iwo: Eleru, aseru, what's the meaning of Jakobi again?

Like the poster said they travelled through Ado, I often sees this connection as implying places discovered by Ado and his contingents or reset explorers derived from them, because Iwo is part of the phrase "Iwori". What is Iwo?

Wori woku, orisa Ado, that's the slogan of my hometown, but it means "looking to discovery or looking to death: the word of patriarch Ado". Ado is the same in Yoruba history, fixed oral records makes Ado, Sango's child.

This statement could help you understand the line about Ado in Odu Ifa, where he said "awa donile, aoku mo, awa dopitan Ile". Ado had prepared his men for their fate, but they got lucky.

Their focus was an expanse that is today Yorubaland. Therefore the thought reverberates in Yoruba place name such as Ado Awaye, "iwoye" because the team made it.

Iwo is thus the hopeful aspiration of the explorers. Iwo is akin to what the Yoruba reckon as oju oore, oju orere, or as found in aro eyo, "oju imaa segi orere" (sight can't uproot a tree from a distance".

Iwo as found in this place name is a view from a remote distance, a 'focus'. Iwo Eleru thus means the focus of the supplanter in Yoruba, until we find any other meaning to eru.

By this token, eru (Iwo Eleru) related historically with Ori (Iwori). Hence the entry on the genesis of the Yoruba is set to Odu iwori in Ifa. From here derived Warri, Awori etc.

It's required that you adjust your set time for the emergence of Yoruba in Yorubaland in antiquity. Let's think about what everyplace can offer us to have better understanding of the overall Yoruba history, not just one place.

Cheers bro.

Lol though insightful. However, I stand by my perspective despite the fact, that humans have had admixture over thousands of years. Thus, it doesn't change the fact that the human head found in Iwo eleru was “not" Yoruba's ancestors. Although, if you have evidence to support the human fossil as Yoruba's, then kindly share bcause I will be delighted to see the dna that showcase such as Yoruba's.

Another angle that I had stressed is that Yoruba language is an ancient one that became adopted in some places such as Egypt as Coptic Language, which I had once called,“ Riual or religious language" in those areas ,amongst the learners community of the language. This is what informed names given to places Yoruba language and speakers visited through conquest of that land. So, Iwo eleru is not different.


Furthermore,Yoruba reemphasise their panegyric, wherever they migrate toward,especially if such place became subjugated under the Yoruba's monarchial system and culture . This is the reason, you find Oriki( panegyric) as reflection of who they were and are till infinity. Take for instance, my ancestors oriki: mention these also our oriki as :

a. Oma oru me la ako ko ( children of Oru~place where light, heat emanates that ascend to farming settlement as agriculturalist). Oru is my own ancestors place of origin,which was a place where flood over ran and destroyed in Ileife oral account.

Omo odode Aani( children of the mountain base or foundation of ownership)


The reason of the above is for to see beyond the names because, renaming a place after their ancestors doesn't meaan, they were the first occupants of that place. In fact, a friend who is from Abia, that claims, his ancestors migrated from Idanre.So, migration is part of human adventure for greener pasture ,exploration and safety to avoid war conquest.

macof:
Conclusions on historical research is never set in stone. For many years your "Yoruba origin from the middle east" was the conclusion of many historians until new appreciation for the pre - Islam, pre- missionary traditions placed doubt in that
The earliest written works by Muslims and missionaries on yoruba origin always ignored the traditional records of the people they were talking about and fed into their need to
1. Abrahamize the people with a new written history
2. Always return to Abrahamic traditions for everything

Today historians do not have those needs and coupled with evidence from chiefly linguistics, but also cultural anthropology and genetics.. Historians now conclude that yoruba are native to this area called Nigeria today

you and your church that sent you can't take us back to a level of knowledge we have surpassed.
Do you possess superior argument armed with evidence and conclusions from empirical research that the earliest historiographers were right eventhough they had no traditional records or linguistics or genetics on their side?

Go sit down and learn more about Yoruba history that funding keep coming into so that her mystery can be resolved on their identity , Art in the mediaeval era.


So see, I have no time for such chat as yours anymore because you don't just study beyond me to read information at all times because I am your nemesis over my information that is glaring. Base on as it stands, there are newer information that will shock you soon from different writer on Yoruba's history. So get acquainted with research reality that's beyond NL.

Amujale:
That is nonsense.

Everyone who is anyone in academia knows that our ancestors migrated from Africa to populate the rest of the world.

Let me just point out to you that this thread isn’t concerned with foreign extremists ideologies.

You can take your false narratives elsewhere.

According to all the evidence, Humanity begins in Africa.

That isn’t merely an opinion but a matter of fact.

Let assume I am wrong but show me archeological information of human fossil in your so claim of West Africa. Secondly the IBO's Igbo Ukwu is even older than Yoruba's in terms of arrival or aboriginal to Niger Benue axis .Just imaging your perspective over well studied history? Any way, I rest my case.

bright007:
Land grabbers from the west, Ilorin is still in the hands of Fulani. Go grab that first.

After all the evidence here that Yoruba were slaves in ancient Benin kingdom, you are still here propagating falsehood.

It doesn't matter how many of you are here for this propaganda, the truth must prevail

Babe, Obviously you're attention seeker and you got my attention. But inform us on Biniland that was at the mercy of Ogedegbe Agbogun gboro in late 18th century. So, what is it to grab ? .

The Biniland that's not bigger than the whole of Ogun state is where Yoruba wants to grab. A land that does not even have natural resource to tap into . i just wonder what you mean as land grabbers! Trust me, I don't have time fo this kind of matter that's baseless.

Amujale:
Anyone who studies African history knows that both Ethiopia and Morrocco are in Africa.

Yet, the last time i checked, Morroco has been occupied by foreign communities far back as periods Before The Common Era leading into the first century CE.

That is to say, the Nubian communities that existed in the region of Morroco prior to Mzungu invasion, all migrated from elsewhere on the continent.

How else could the 'Out of Africa' experience have occured?

Ethiopia on the other hand is amomgst the communities who help create the Nile valley civilisation, but would later get indoctrinated into the same foreign extremist religions that exist there today.

Yet, this is strictly concerning the Yoruba and other Nigerians presence in the Nile Valley.

Let us believe your story above but where did they migrated from else where in Africa.

Mind you, the place of creation js actually around Euphrates and Tigris river. This is what I strongly stand with because of reality on information.

I am not Afrocentric nor my ancestors. They lived in any place that was conducive, progressive,greener pasture and practising their Ifaodu religion.

Amujale:
Due to the fact that:

1) Civilisation moved up the Nile.

2) Communities have been in existence in Eastern, Southern and West Africa prior to our migration to the Norther hemisphere.

For more information follow the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Sorry , I have seen what you posted which has one of Yoruba's Artifacts, which are moulded/ constructed around 11/12/13 centuries. So, no evidence as far as I am concerned on world scene on Africa history.

Amujale:
According to the historical evidence that's dated around 5,000 BCE, these events occured during the pre-colonial era.

The Mzungu first invasion into Egypt was around 800 BCE.

There is nothing of such as 800BCE as the first invasion of Egypt in the real scholarly account because, the most deadliest invasion of Egypt begun around the era of Assyrian expansion to dominate her environment, which has its record and the last invasion was Holocaust era.The first is around 67I BCE, which was Assyrian conquest.

In your account of Mzungu 800BCE invasion, can you proof it with Egyptian's Hierology ?

The earliest ruler of Moreo( Egypt) were Kush descendants and Ethiopia people. These people remained part of Egyptians history with archeological information.



Cheers.

Amujale:
These are the reasons you ought to study African history and bin the fake narratives of these foreign extremist religions.

There is nothing as such as studying African history independently because you're just not ready to read the truth.

Ethiopia is where ?

Morroco is where ?

macof:
TAO11 has asked you
Why should the account of a fulani over the origin of the Yoruba people be held over the account of the Yoruba themselves?

Why do we call a story that was made to place Yoruba in the middle East only after Yoruba had come in contact with Muslims a Yoruba account? How is it Yoruba account when the Yoruba did not say this of themselves? But had to learn it from foreign Muslims who wanted to convert them?

While we are at accepting the account of others, why do we not accept the Bini account that says oduduwa is their Prince



If this were not sentimental attachments to the middle east due to religious indoctrination why would a Yoruba dump the traditional account for a fulani account of his origin that says he's from the middle east

The account is not a Fulani's own but written in their Arabia script, which iz fashioned after, account, such Professor Akintoye , Ogundiran, Lucas,Talbot, Sabaru Biobaku, Akinjogbin,Obadiah Johnson & Samuel John,etc.
So, such statement is null and void.

Beside, are you not even amazed that such man came up with information that's not linked to his own ethnic group to praise ? As far as I am concerned, his information is without bias.

Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king.

Bini was named by Yoruba ancestor. And these people do had a scarification pattern on their body as a Sign of Indigenous group to that society, which is alien to Yoruba people, who came in a unique form to established a culture based on ritual and a pattern of worship likened to Near East. So, written account that was written over 100 years ago stated the obvious that Yoruba came to Bini as a stranger. to establish her system of monarchy. This is the reason, I won't take revisionism of some Edos which has no place in history, especially where evidence abound.

Sentiment ? I don't believe in such because where there is evidence based on artifacts, religion,clothing,manufacturing, then it is worth investigating. Beside, I have mentioned it at times that my work may take time to release but you will read it and be damned on the information I have gatherd.

My question to you is :
Can you explain how the Yoruba language is same as Coptic Egyptian's, Bini Court language, Dahomey Court language which is the mode of communication with the speakers owner of the language ? The same TA011,provided the screenshot though I had known these long time

[quote author=Amujale post=90140209][/quote]Well, the West Africa has no human fossil that's older than Morocco, Ethiopia even Israel. So how is the migration from West to North Africa?

Which time amongst the era Egypt was invaded that Yoruba ever lived in Nile River ?

Obalufon:
What part of yoruba land are you from why is it facial scarification a taboo in your lineage ... ..my ancestors my forebears didn't have scarification..

Smiles. We have gone through my lineage story in the previous post. I am sure it was last year or thereabout.

Well, a taboo because, we are known as descendants of the gods. An Osayin practioner, or vast man in both Ifaodu priest is the only who can ordain such to be done if need be, as result of premature death of a child ( abiku) or more. Interestingly, we are a unique breed of Yorubas whose history is associated with Odudua.

MetaPhysical:
I want to dice this into bite sizes starting with the earliest written records on Yoruba.

1. Samuel Johnson was not the original author of the History of Yorubas, his brother, Obadiah (I hope Im correct) was the original author. His manuscript made it to England but was never found after that. It is alleged that its dissapearance was a sabotage designed to shut down and completely obliterate the truths he revealed about Yoruba.

Why are Yoruba historians unconcerned about recovering Obadiah's copy? It seems a lot of effort is spent disreputing Samuel than finding the original manuscript of that work.


2. Latin script was not our first style of writing. Ajami script was used officially in King's courts to communicate in the period preceeding British colonialists and missionaries.

Why aren't Yoruba historians encouuraging recovery of the records?

It seems to me that these two works will help greatly to expand truths and pressentt accurate records, far more so than academic guesses.


To give perspective on why modern historical accounts are unreliable, consider that if we want to truly understand the history of rail transportation in Nigeria, we cannot begin at Ido terminal and its northbound tracks towards Abeokuta and Ibadan. We must go to Martins street and Tinubu square and dig for the tramway tracks buried underneath modern road asphalt.

Our historians have not dug up Tinubu square. The history they gave us is missing links from earlier and authentic records that are retrievable.

Ajami was not used in Yoruba's King's Court in the ancient time. At least, during medival period because Aroko is what was being used; which is the method of information passage. The Aroko are a form of alphabet that were used to convey messages across to the recipient with or without the conveyer if the message knowing what the message means.

Ajami came into Yoruba land around 16/17 century because it was brought by Muslim Yorubas. And the place where Yoruba first Muslims settlement was in Iwo land in an earlier century . And the Ajami was used by Yoruba elite Muslims ran through 18th and 19th century century amongst the Muslims but was faced out out due to nonchalant attitude of the numerous yorubas who saw the style of writing as not compatible with their ideologies and advent of Cnristian missionaries who came with Latin form of writing.

Thus,between 1843, when Samuel Ajayi Crowther, was ordained a priest of the Church of England, and 1844, Crowther translated the Bible Gospel of St. Luke and Acts of the Apostles into Yoruba using the Romanized script, and on January 9, 1844, he preached his first sermon using the text of St. Luke chapter 1, verse 35 as follows:
“ohung ohworh ti aobih ni inoh reh li aomakpe li Omoh Olorung."

This text, which will undoubtedly appear strange and unintelligible to a modern day Yoruba reader, is essentially that which was refined and modified between the time it was composed and the conference of 1875 referred to in the quotation initiating this article . “Search of Yoruba orthography" Professor Isaac Adeoju Ogunbiyi.


Note: mail tao.11 on this : tao.11@ yahoo.com

lx3as:
In my own dialect, Abba or Àbá(due to new Yoruba language not tolerating two consonants together except 'gb', though we still have 'Kabba, Atta, etc') simply means 'Father'; Àba = someone over all. Àbarìṣà = Father lord or Father of all Oriṣa. Àbá or Àba rẹ = your father, for instance, Àba rẹ a gbe ọ. It's for God, Àbá Eledumare or oldest/elderly male or father, which has variation like 'Iba' or to some extent 'Baba'.

Until we overcome self egos, emotions and ready to tolerate others views and works to reach harmonize agreement, that's when we would have common Yorubas' history.

If we think about experts, experts and without doing anything now, then we are failing... but I appreciate what we're doing here because everything is documented on the web whether it's the truth or not. However, it's better than what we had centuries ago, only oral and few documentation. We can weigh all this using what we have at hand, e.g, artifacts, dialects, culture and traditions to reveal who we are.

We deceive ourselves if we just conclude that Yorubas have just one creation in one place, one migration or one source. There are actually numerous oral traditions. To begin with, several historians had concluded that people were not in West Africa about 10,000 years ago. The Sahara desert was not also a desert at a time in history. I believe with more archeological works, a lot of things will be discovered but for our tropical region, this is difficult.

When I was growing up, I used to sit with my very old grandmothers and all I always wanted from them was what happened in those days, what their fathers, great grandparents told them, not stories or àlọ̀. I was surprised that most things I had from them are also those things in the documented history of my town, though fewer and some others...

From the story of my town...we have main four sets of people, the most ancient which I always relate to be the same at Iwo Eleru, I called them the Atlantis, my people called them something like the 'Irahurẹ'. The second group are the 'Ulesun people', these are Obatala people who worshipped lots of gods and looked to Ìfẹ... People like Agboniregun baba ifá, Ogun Onire, etc. According to the 'Itan' in my place, these people were later joined by another set of people who were very related to them but were from the east (maybe river Niger area because their leader is called atta till today, e.g Atta of Aiyede). My own family was among the 3rd set, we came from Ìfẹ after settled near Ilésà, Owena, Oba-Ile, Bini, back to Ido - Ani, Emure, Àgbàdo, Ado and finally present town, where we met Urahurẹ́s and Ulesuns and became their kingship...The 4th sets of people had diverse origins, some are lighter in complexion and my people called them 'strange' people...

Today, we're the same people just like our older generations believe they were the same people with different migration periods. Each also had its oral history; one can choose anyone to follow or believe. They might have closely related dialects or not but almost same traditions in circumcision, naming their children 8th day, Akehinde gbegbon believe, believe in supreme God called Eledumare, Ẹlẹda,, Eledua, Aba'riṣa, etc. My people actually believe they are one, each house or family with what they worship except Eegun, no masquerades in my town. Our own is Ogun(definitely Lẹgbara inclusive) and Umọlẹ (there are Ẹpa and Oge); Some other families, IFA, Osun, Osanyin, etc. Ọpa (serious beating with Àtòrì is for every youth because we must be ready to endure pains). And in those days, when we wanted to marry, the male dipped his hand inside a gourd containing all sorts of poisonous snakes, Scorpion and stinging insects... to know whether he's ready to house a woman. In my family, we slaughtered ram and buffalo for male birth and marriage and death in those days but now mainly roosters but if you have money for ram, you go for it...

Oral traditions will definitely be varied and sometimes change with humans' input to suit their egos. there are two other sets of people I didn't talk about, the Muslims and Christians. If you meet every group today, each has its stories.
Let us find a common ground. Go back to your towns, find out their history...

Thanks for your input. It is pertinent for the people who tried so much to affix the Yoruba identity to Niger Benue as the place of her origin, when infact, the reversal is the case of migration from Ileife that has always taken place to even Niger Benue confluence. So.pathetic

Secondly, in my part of Yoruba which is one of the numerous places where my ancestors migrated to, call father as Aba,Abba,Uba. These three are interchangeable. While mother is “ Iye "and not Iya as used often in generally Keoine language.

Thirdly, the Iwo Eleru people are not traceable in Yoruba bloodline. Perhaps, the earlier ancestors of Yoruba either assimilated or exterminated or chase many of these people out of her
contact with them. These people did have pygmy link dna link,whom the Yoruba called ‘Iwin'.

Fourthly, no matter how much you showcase glaring truh via ideograms knowledge on this platform, you have not done enough because one is tagged as non historian.These antagonists, will say Yoruba emerged from Niger Benue people yet no link with any group that have suvh information. And they do tbese damnation because they can't interpret the artifacts that are simply ideograms of Yorubas at the expense of lacking the interpenetrating such artifacts


Do these people know how cowries from Noeth Africa emerged in Yoruba land as a legal tender ?

Do these people know Yorubas arrow is not of West Africa's origin ?

Do these people know agada(scimitar) did not originate in Africa ?

Do these people even know that Yoruba language was once spoken jn Egypt as Coptic Egyptians language ?


Bro, let the antagonists continue but for awhile because once my book is ready in the future, they will have the opportunity to know meaning of some artifacts tbat have eluded their knowledge.

According to Jeffrey, he says, “Thus the distinguished anthropologist , Lord Raglan,(1935:15) has laid it down that:.....no invention, discovery, custom,belief,or even stoey is known for certain to have originated in two separate culture." Braima Alias Abraham: A study in diffusion by M.D.W Jeffreys.
From the above information,it is obvious, nothing as cultural connection be it mode of worship or linguistic connection between Yoruba and Semitic group with being of same stock at early stage because. The written history of the Yorubas of Nigeria occurs in the Infakul,Maisuri of Sultan Muhammad Bello, in whch Arnett's (1930:16), translation runs: “ The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanana and Kindred of Nimrod.

In conclusion of Lucas on the above information, he says, In spite of the fanciful character of Sultan Bello's view on the whole, his statement that the Yorubas "originated from the remnants of the children of Canaan who were of the tribe of Nimrod" demands further consideration.

Furthermore, Dr. Farrow too has collected interesting facts
the traditions, myths, customs, idioms and sacrifices of the Yorubas ,which Show distinct traces. Commenting on these facts he says, "Whilst they do not necessarily imply any trace of Semitic origin, they would seem to indicate that the Semitic Hebrews and the Negritic Yorubas belong to branches which at some early stage were united to a common stem."

Sir. A.C. Burns says, "it is probable that the Yorubas were not originally of negro blood."



While,the quest of Yoruba identity has been in obscurity, the Infakul of Sultan Muhammad Bello of Sokoto,has the account, which mentioned the root words for Yoruba as: Y R B (y r b).

Interestingly, in Semitic language:

“y " is yud, which is represented as yi, i, ee. The last two are used interchangeably with “y" if it is not the starting letter in a word.

R, is Reish ( head) which is represented with riii,ree sound~when pronounced

B is Bet, which is represented by b,bh

Thus, considering these root in the infakul , known as “y r b" are semitic and close reconstruction of the meaning, will give us what the probable pronunciation sound like and its meaning, which I had emphasised on previously. So, the forming of the root word to make more sence will in these following while using the Ancient Hebrew's Semitic Alphabet:

Yerab-yarob,eerab- irab-ærab-arab-yarab- Yoruba descendants. The above reconstruction ks based on Semitic inscription of Classic Hebrew. The most amazing is that the word being reconstructed is referino to a people, whose foundation is based on Shepherd & Priest called Araba who is orumiela, ; ba' araba aba(the first self creating powerful being to exist)

The information above is drawn from Clasic Hebrew alphabet, to interpret the meaning, the reconstruction o what the “Y R B" is . And these semitic root in Classic Hebrew begun with bilateral root and grew to trilateral root. So
Yareb,
Yareb,
Yarob,
Yarub,
irab,
æreb,
areb,
areb
Yarab,
Yoruba ; as a name is basically a product of Semitic root , R B(r b) ,which is Rab(Rabi). Interestingly, Ela is the Araba in Yoruba Ifaodu corpus which is the one whom we worship in awesome reverence( lit. to worship while one is crawling toward positioning). This can only point to the direction of what the account of Sultan Muhammad Bello,claimed that Yoruba are Canaan; Hebrew group, in the written script that was translated from Arabic script by different people.

macof:
Experts from the fields of Linguistics, Genetics and Anthropology all provide empirical evidence that prompt the conclusion of historians that yoruba indeed originated from the Niger-benue Confluence as did many of the ethnicities in the Lower Guinea region

So it is not assumption without evidence. Several threads have posted reports of expert research on this
Maybe when I have time I will post some more reports

You can say whatever you like from now till you leave this world, the evidence is there. It only takes studying it

Empirical study indeed. .So, Niger Benue Confluence is where Yoruba ethnic group migrated out from?smh. See, I don't have such time anymore to tolerate your kind because, you have no idea in the area, you are trespassing upon. C'est fini.

macof:
Lmao. He said Yoruba knot known as Solomon's knot

These clowns

Teacher, you try! Isn't it fair to be careful when you try to throw a mockery punchline ?
“These clowns " Indeed. I wonder if you do read your posts before you paste them for public consumption. So an individual has become a “plural" personage .

What do you even know about “knot" ? The knot in question, which I posted was drawn in to Nigeria's currency through Yoruba's knowledge of its usage in Yoruba's culture. Kindly go study, to avoid this embarrassment you dwell inn because your ignorance is beyond remedy.

absoluteSuccess:
You definitely have better idea. Its a free forum. Kindly share your knowledge.

Make learning a fun, not a mortal combat.

Peace.

lu have so many meaning though depending on the usage and diacritics. Interestingly, Yoruba words and its English translation can be deceitful at times because, the real meaning may be difficult to conclude on,in its English form. Thus, I believe, “Lu" in this context can fit for the following words, such as through,thoroughfare, perforate,penetrate etc.


Cheers.

Obalufon:
kambari people of niger state are naked people that is even close to us

I wonder ooo bro, with assumption, when people pick up unverified information to assert that ancient Yoruba land, in a “Ghost Land" around Niger Benue confluence,without evidence.I just wonder.


Cheers

The Yoruba knot which is part of the Naira( Nigeria's currency is also found in Paleo Christian site . This knot is known as Solomon knot.
So, those who posited that Yoruba ancestors existed in Benue Confluence, should explain how the knot found in Yoruba culture, Near East, Rome etc are alike ? I am waiting!Below is as a screenshot of it.

Edeyoung:
You're just fooling yourself bro

Lol! Well, I don't have such strength to engage you even if you feel bitter about it. I am a writer and information is highly power, especially such as the one TAO11 displayed on Bini,using Yoruba language as a Franca Lingua in the King's palace. . It is only a reminder that Bini is a Yoruba land,which was created from Igodomigodo.

Obalufon:
scarification is recent in yoruba history my own lineage is a taboo to have scarification

I am from that kind of lineage too. Oyo group were one of the pioneer to it.




Cheers

Amujale:
You're wrong.

The people who published that evidence (my sources) are professionals that actually travelled to these places and affirmed for themselves.

These body arts are well known and documented by the real time historians that i posted earlier.

Furthermore, i'm Yoruba and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the images are absolutely correct.

Well, I am Yoruba too and scarification is a taboo in my own lineage too though I will post Yoruba scarification.

TAO11:
As requested, please refer to the 1st attachment for the relevant documention of the French father in the year 1640.

The 2nd attachment is from page 209 of Professor R.C.C Law's "Ethnicity and the Slave Trade".

In this article, Professor R.C.C. Law also cites the French Father's 1640 documention of the fact that the Yoruba language was a lingua-franca in Benin Kingdom.

[See the 2nd red highlight of the 2nd attachment for this].

Interestingly, the Spanish Jesuit, Alonso de Sandoval also documents, in the 1600s, that even the palace administration of the whole Kingdom of Benin was via Yoruba language.

[See the 1st red highlight of the 1st attachment for this].

I need this book though preferred if it is on PDF.


Asap inform me if you do have the link.

Amujale:
I wouldnt be too certain.

These have been verified by various modern historians.

They are not bro. You can google picture of all Yoruba scarification. Beside, there are Yoruba descendants who don't wear scarification on their faces, except if one is abiku linked. I am sure Ileife art work has prove such exist at one time in that cosmopolitan city....



Cheers

OmoOlofin:
Ignorance is powerful! Lol.

(A) I don't have disgust for such absurdities. I only laugh at such.

Moreover, I also don't know the meaning of Japan, yet Yoruba has several common words with same/approximate pronunciations and meanings. Oh Yoruba are now Japanese ? Lol.

(B) Sultan Bello's accounts which said Yorubas are from Mecca, etc should be trused over the Yorubas own extant pre-existing oral tradition testimony about themselves.

I think this is worse than a slave-mentality. New terms must be coined to describe the fvckery going on here.

May be its hightime we also concluded that Oduduwa is a Bini since some non-Yorubas (Edos) said it too.

I mean why must we take one non-Yoruba (Fulani) view of Oduduwa's origin over another non-Yoruba (Edo) view of Oduduwa's origin?

Shouldn't we accept both since in your view we must accept anything but our own account of our selves.

Having said that, your statement "This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet" is the most clueless statement I've read lately.

What's going on here? Translation from Arabic to English has its origin from a so-called Roman (Latin) alphabet?? ?? What language are you speaking here?? Gibberish??

You earlier admitted (when it was convinient for you to do so) that you're simply clueless about this Arabic thing. But I'm now shocked to ve seeing your latest straw clutching.

(C) I think you love to see yourself as some scholar. Lol. If that is correct, then hurry up enroll in a structured learning environment for Yoruba History.

I doubt if you will ever allow a quack doctor (who has never seen the four walls of a medicine/surgery classroom) perform any surgical procedure even on your enemey.

These so-called affirmations you arrogate to yourself are no more than a comedic piece that has been debunked here severally again and again.

Moreover, I'm not sure why you're singling out Professor Akintoye as if what I cited from him is different from what you will get from unanimous contemporary historical scholarship.

(1) Okay, I laughed!

(2) He did. All you need do is read.

(3) I'm not sure who said the Iwo-Eleru artefacts are from some Yoruba ancestors.

Again, all you need do is read!

It's obvious that you're simply confused about what's going on. I'm not surprised that you're confused though.

(4) Again read and desist from setting your ignorance as a benchmark for others' knowledge.

The exact quarters where Oduduwa was born and raised in Ife is well-known in the Ife traditional accounts.

This again proves my point that you do not read what you respond to as I have already mentioned this account earlier in my comments.

You have equated your ignorance of such information to mean one and the same thing as the absense of such information in the traditional accounts. This is at least unfortunate!

Odu-t'o-du-uwa is an Ejigbomekun man who rose to prominence in about the late 10th century CE.

5. I wasn't asking you no question because I already know that you know nothing about Arabic, and you earlier admitted that until lately when you clutched hard to the unfortunate ineffectve face-saving u-turn.

Instead I was simply telling you that such statement as Romanized Orthography of Arabic is raw absurdity.

And the best you did was to simply write the names of some two individuals.

And somehow the mere fact of typing these 2 names somehow proves that there is such thing as Romanized Orthography of Arabic.

If there's anything you've successfully done, then it is the fact that you've successfully confused yourself about lots and lots of things through half baked information.

And to make it all worse, in case you've forgotten, these 3 things below are what you had originally called the so-called Romanized Orthography of Arabic:

ﻞﻤﺟ

ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

This is like a 2 in 1 bungle!

Absudity in deed! How many times do I need ask you to pick up Professor Adedoju Ogunbiyi to read on Yoruba-Arabic translation ? Unfortunately you skip it because you find fun it. So, I don't have such strength as you do because of a simple etymology which has a simple meaning! Anyway , it seems you are “right" since, Arabic is never Translated into English language from your logical disposition while Roman Orthography was never used . But wait , what language did Prophet Muhammed spoke with the Romans he met in Rome ?I guess , “ Arabic". I don't know history! Lol

Furthermore, you lied because, I didn't even post anything that pointed to an Arabic writings as romanised but orthography of Roman that were used to translate Arabic script such as, Qur'an, hadits etc . And And when I cited book written to showcase Ajami written form of Yoruba's work that showed some acquired the knowledge via Arabic knowledge. Therefore it is too poor of you to sum up that I specifically posted Arabic's script that, I can't even read and never for once claim such. Thus,it is that bad because you didnt read comprehensively to even understand my point.

Infact, it is even better that your own version of Odud du wa , indeed rose in 10th century in ese ifaodu ejiogbemekun to revolutionise Yoruba monarchial system as fashioned after Near East pattern with all form of artifacts from Near East. and Elu orogbo shrines , etc to who rose up from death(lol) and ascended to heaven .

Perhaps, you seem not to know the same man was also known as Oshin. While , Oriki(panegyric ) of his descent is linked to Oru, eri, .Since there is probabality that you know him so well, then help locate his place and ancestor's origin in Niger Benue Confluence. Mind you, agada(scimitar) is *Oriental sword * and where it was found in Benue confluence ought be your priority too to locate to proof your point .

The reason for the task above for you is that Yoruba people with oral information in the past made mention of migration, and your Edo Claim he was an Ogiso descendant, which made all tired of regurgitation of information that has met a brick wall over the man's fabled story of yours and distortion of it all which has been nulled via facts embedded in Pictographs,that your likes see with ordinary naked eyes!. Do better than this!

Though, fact through research show that Odudua is a name of an ancestors before Nigeria and Africa, which became honoured as Orisa as well because of his achievement. Even Dierk Lange, proposed pattern of migration before arrival in Nigeria but the Afrocentrism in many of your types build up mountainous fallacy as defense. The beauty of it all is that Yoruba an ancestors were achievers who gave clue about themselves via Pictographs that has solution to doubting thomases like you and others.




Cheers.

OmoOlofin:
What does English Qur'an ... derivative of Roman Orthography mean?

Has absolutely zero meaning! This is clearly not your forte. Not even your self-acclaimed classical Hebrew.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You once admitted this. I'm now shocked what suddenly changed. Lol.

You're simply trying to putting different words together in as much as they sound big or technical to you. Lol.

Lol! What is the bone of contention ? That you have disgust for information saying, Yoruba were Canaan people . Do you know the meaning of Canaan at all ?

Infact, Arnett(1930,16),in the Infakul of Sultan Bello , was translated into English language which says, The People of Yoruba are descended from the Kaanan and Kindred of Nimrud. This translation was from Arabic which its origin form Roman(Latin) alphabet.


That I affirmed that, Yorubas are not indigenous to Yoruba land,using the Artifacts, Ritual practice, culture , Manufacturing of iron to hit my view ,which null your view and citation from Professor Akintoye because didn't mentioned if

1. Yoruba ancestors were Bantu from Adamawa Mountain or elsewhere!

2. He Didn't proof where the land of ancient Yoruba were in Niger Benue confluence

3. That their first settlement which is not Iwo Eleru had human fossil that is over 13±000 years, . This fossil man is analyzed and classified as not being Yoruba ancestor.

4. The exact spot where Ancestors of Odudua developed alongside their extended family in Ife bowl. And to had known name in Yoruba land,in Niger Benue confluence as an affluent lineage.


Your Question: Derivative of Roman Orthography: derived from .......Roman alphabet

...simply mean,The Qur'an being translated into English language is based on English language's alphabet that developed through the Roman Orthography Alphabet.

Orthography:it is spelling, and in this case, I mentioned Latin alphabet ,which I posted previously to lecture you.

Read from Professor Adedoju Ogunbiyi's Arabic-Yoruba Translations of the Quran p.32

Al-Ilürõ, Asl qaba’ il Yuruba, Agege 1989, 38.

The above writers work were based on Yoruba orthography which is based on Roman orthography.

You can also read book from Professor John Hunwick, who devoted his whole lifetime to the study and preservation of the Arabic/Islamic heritage of Africa. And I am sure, you know it is based on Arabic and Latin alphabet.

OmoOlofin:
Oga don't worry about writting the long essays.

There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

Since you've admitted knowing nothing about Arabic, can you then adduce the expert source where you find this so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Moreover, the following are the so-called Arabic words in question which you had pasted.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Can you please explain how these foregoing so-called Arabic words relate to your so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Lol. So, There is nothing as such Roman(Latin )spelling of Arabic writings ? You are quite hilarious. Any way, I am sure, “English Quran transliteration and translation " ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

On your Arabic post, some people on this platform will help you out with the translation because it is not my specialisation.

OmoOlofin:
Oga don't worry about writting the long essays.

There is no such thing as Roman Orthography of Arabic.

Since you've admitted knowing nothing about Arabic, can you then adduce the expert source where you find this so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

Moreover, the following are the so-called Arabic words in question which you had pasted.

ﻞﻤﺟ

: ﻮﻜﺑ ﺐﺒﺳ ﻮﻋ

ﺎﺘﺑﺎﺘﺑ

Can you please explain how these foregoing so-called Arabic words relate to your so-called Roman Orthography of Arabic?

English Quran ought be your case study! After all, it is derivative of Roman Orthography!

Amujale:
Awesome.

Although that has nothing to does with the fictional Hebrew.

Your example merely shows the awesome nature of our language systems.

Lol! You simply don't realise that your daily dialect is filled up with classic Hebrew!


e si ( it is)

older dialect si ( is)


Interestingly Classic Hebrew: “si" also represented by “is" in the same manner as Yoruba's “si"

Classic Hebrew's Selah /Shela? Successful, prosperous is same as Yoruba's


Classic Hebrew's ascents, go is same as Yoruba's La,lo,alo,ãlo

Classic Hebrew's Come is same as bo,
mobo,boa as Yoruba's.


Note: I can go on and on but let me allow the opportunity to make up your mind. Mind you ,I had posted cognate between the two in previous posts,in which some of your Afrocentric type were asking me for authenticity of my information.



Cheers