₦airaland Forum

princevinny:
So much crap about dis topic. Now dis is it, Oduduwa was d first son of an ogiso in edo. D ogiso had a wife who was barren as at then and she also hated oduduwa. So 1day she lied to d ogiso dat oduduwa cursed her with barreness, d ogiso was very angry n he sentenced him 2 die in d evil forest, but d guards sent to kill him loved him because he was good 2 dem n dey also believed d queen lied against him, so dey told him 2 escape. He escape frm d forest n got 2 ondo wier he was stop by ondo river. Oduduwa crossed d river by air because of his powers and got 2 ife which was under siege. Will continue later

You people are just too good in fabricating different stories. Now,Odua became hated because of Ogiso's wife who was barren? Come up with something different truthful.

princevinny:
So much crap about dis topic. Now dis is it, Oduduwa was d first son of an ogiso in edo. D ogiso had a wife who was barren as at then and she also hated oduduwa. So 1day she lied to d ogiso dat oduduwa cursed her with barreness, d ogiso was very angry n he sentenced him 2 die in d evil forest, but d guards sent to kill him loved him because he was good 2 dem n dey also believed d queen lied against him, so dey told him 2 escape. He escape frm d forest n got 2 ondo wier he was stop by ondo river. Oduduwa crossed d river by air because of his powers and got 2 ife which was under siege. Will continue later

You people are just too good in fabricating different stories. Now,Odua became hated because of Ogiso's wife who was barren? Come up with something different that is truthful. Else stop this assumptions.

FortifiedCity:
Op in addition to that, present day Ogbomosho was the capital of ancient Egypt

How was it possible for Ogori élemosho turned Ogbomoso to be the capital of Kemet (Egypt? I am curious. Kindly substantiate on your research.

Good effort though. However, the modern Torah is quite different from the ancient one if one consider the language spoken in Egypt, which was similar to Hebrews language in a way. Although, vocalization of Yoruba language has dragged it away from the ancient ways of speaking it.

This is very hilarious! OMG! Distortion is the order of the day. So pathetic.

EdoNation:
Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!

Are you sure Odu'a came from Igodomigodo? If you are sure, educate us why Odu'a use white cockerel /pigeon/dove as sacrifice? And what was the other animals associated with Odu'a that are patrilineal of his ancestors? And why do they use such animals? I will give you an option of picking one out of the animals. Kindly elaborate. Then mention any part in Edo that use such animals as sacrifices as likened to your answer, which made you certain about Admullia







If you don't have answer, then stop these personal opinion about my ANCESTOR

historyworld030:
We certainly don't know anything about your "bini" or your "oba bini".
However we are Edo and our Kingdom is Benin Kingdom, it's capital is Benin City and our king is Omo n'Oba n'Edo often refered to as Oba of Benin.
No relations to your "oba bini" or to your alfonso the invisible and magical book writer.

Look at your ignorance? So, you did not know that Europeans came to BINI, precisely Portuguese to buy pepper and craft from Oba BINI?I quit dealing with your type.It is obvious, you are not even knowledgeable on the subject matter.

ProudToBeAZombie:
I dealt with him some days ago before the mods banned me. Oyo alone is bigger than that mushroom called Bini.

I agree with you totally. These people with no known history and fake identity. They are the ones that want glory when infact we gave them Ogun to worship. We gave them olokun to worship. We gave them Esu to worship. yet they kept distorting history. My dear, continue in your good work. Omoulabi we Yorubas will forever remain.

AxeLord:
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Guy get out of Edo Threads we don't fvvcking care about you or your people!

And for your info every sane nigerian and historian knows the Edo version of history is the truth and most practical

Get out of Edo thread? The owner of this thread is Yoruba. How come it is your pseudo community that is infested with lies owns this thread? Now let it pain you more because the Christians have Bible in their rooms to connect to God. The Muslim have Quran in their rooms to pray to God. Oba BINI has sculpture of OONI OF ILE IFE in his room to connect to God.... This is the statute below. Kiss the truth..

There is no need trying to stretch hands of brotherhood to these people if their known Oba of BINI could politicised our history by claiming Odu'a was their lost and a weakling ogiso only son. The same Ogiso called king of the sky within Edo world that has nothing to link him to maternal lineage but gave birth to another man by himself..... They are not worth the trouble. Thank God, we are more populous than them .Else their story might be seen as true rather than the grandeur lies to distort history. Yet the BINI knows Ogun or Oguum as god of iron . They are not worth it at all...

KingSango:
I'm saying that the Alaafin is an emperor and head of Oyo Empire, the only empire that was ever held by Yorubas.

Emperor? Yes, Alaafin was an Emperor !but didn't control every part of Yoruba land.

KingSango:
Nonsense Obalufon was a descendant of the people living in Ile Ife before the arrival of Oduduwa and the King says so himself who his family is.

Go to EKITI STATE AND TELL EFON ALAYE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE NOT ODU'A LINEAGE. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH! perhaps, if you can't visit the town, then you can google “efon alaye history". Then, you will desist from historical distortion. Your heretical statement is beyond emotions but basically about Sango's history and you know nothing much about it.

KingSango:
Because he loathes history being distorted. And I hate any that are going against Baba Sango. Yoruba people are indebted to the royal family of Oyo for giving you the richest culture in West Africa. The Oyo family is the direct line of Oduduwa. Oranyiyan appointed the Ooni as chief of the town and heritage keeper of Yoruba people. This because the Ooni is chosen by the Gods to be a sacred white chief. There is only one Ooni so its not a low position. Long live the Ooni. May the Gods bring Yoruba people closer in unity in these changing times.

Ase

Love Sango

Stop distorting history. If you are emotional about Oyo, there is no crime in it but to refer to Ooni as a white chief, you must be joking! You basically know not much about Yoruba culture and history. If you crave to know, then you need help from people who are versatile in it. Oranmiyan wage war against Obalufon to ascend the throne as Ooni IFE. Obalufon was a descendant of Odu'a also but of a servant mother which created problems before the arrival of Oranmiyan, who was stationed at Katunga before his arrival which led to the withdrawal of Obalufun from the throne. And Oranmiyan became the Ooni. Every part of Yoruba has this record. Even Efon Alaye was founded by him( Obalufon Alayemore) . And his descendants remain the Prime Minister (2nd in command) of ILE IFE till forever while Oranmiyan descent remain the Oonis like lineage.....Oga stop this unfounded propaganda about Yoruba history.

KingSango:
Greetings,

You like to twist facts to draw conclusions that aren't apart of the story. Oranyiman was Ooni and he founded Oyo Empire. Ile Ife is a sacred town and Oyo is a capital city of the Yoruba Empire of Oyo. I can't see how any Yoruba wouldn't want to claim both heritages seeing that Oranyiman did so? But I digress.

Ase

Love Sango

You are funny. Twist what fact? You need to go to ILE IFE and tell them to tell you the history. You are the one that need to study very well to be able to know the truth from source and not speculation based on books you had read.

Obalufon:
but oranmiyan was an Oni too read history and he has descendant in ife till date ..Oni ogunwusi is direct descendant of oranmiyan ..you need to listen to his Oriki man you are twisting history ..ife is far superior to oyo moreover oyo is no more glory of Oyo belong to ile-ife modakeke in ife are oyo returning back to ife after the old oyo was sacked by the north


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2ViMucrls

It seems you don't get it. I mentioned it that Oranmiyan was Ooni too. You didn't read my post very well. Oranmiyan was a powerful warrior and he became the sixth Ooni of ILE IFE. His descendants from the lineage of Ooni Lajamisan rules till date.
On the issue of Oyo, the kingdom had lost total control when Afonja destroyed Oyo ILE , so you probably mean Ibadan supported Modakeke. There were issues, which made Ibadan through the back door tried but Ibadan failed at the end of the day to have her way.

Obalufon:
oranmiyan too was an oni so he was eunuch too ..so sango was adopted ??...

Are you asking if Oranmiyan was an Eunuch? If that's your question, then the answer is NO because Eunuch don't procreate. . oranmiyan was never an Eunuch.Oonis in the olden days had people who were eunuch to serve and worship deities under the Ooni as they were seen as undefiled. And Sango was adopted. ARAMFE, had existed before Ajaokuta (Sango) came to being.

KingSango:
The Ooni is a sacred White chief whose bloodline was and is chosen by the Irunmole. Obas go to the Ooni to get their beads because Ile Ife is the sacred center of Yoruba culture. The Ooni was assigned as an Eunuch warrior and priest who life was to be pure. Eunuch were used even in China by emperors such as Oranmiyan who founded Oyo Empire. Eunuch were always loyal to the emperor when sometimes family wanted him deposed. Oranmiyan, the baba of Sango Alaafins, assigned the Ooni and his family sacred guardians of Ile Ife. Did you realize how many times Oyo was attacked, and sometimes burned to the ground? The price of Oyo being the capital of Oyo Empire and command center. You refer to Oranmiyan as an Ooni but he was no Eunuch he fathered children, two were Alaafins. The Ooni is over the sacred town of Ile Ife and the Alaafin is over the empire of Oyo. I can research the list of West African empires but I know there is no Ife Empire, no Oduduwa nation, and no Yoruba empire. There is an Akan empire, Mali Empire, a Dahomey empire and an Oyo empire. And last I checked the Alaafin is still the owner of the palace in Oyo. Long live the Alaafin Baba Sango Ayiawokabayesi Sango. Ase ase ase ooo

So,you mean we Yorubas descended from the Sky?We don't worship Sango in some part of Yoruba land. You are a real clown .You see, most of you people over believe Samuel Ajayi crowther's book, despite some errors in his assertions because he was misled by his informants. Sango is popular in the world today but not worship by some Yoruba people in Yoruba land . Ogun is more honoured as a deity than Sango in Yoruba land within Nigeria and Benin Republic if the two are compared. Where do you get your own information? How can Sango ,whom you call king of the earth be curtailed by Èdun Ara if indeed he is the king of the earth? Ogun can not be curtailed. Yet, he was not in anyway called king of the earth but recognised as a member in the formation of the earth . Sango was a man turned deity and known as Aja-okuta and he was the son of Oranmiyan. In ILE IFE and many people in Eastern Yoruba people don't worship Sango. Get your facts

AxxeMan:
Like I said!... Shut up this is my history not yours!!.... Now fucvk off!

Slave blood you have no history without Oba BINI and he can't deny oranmiyan..... Slave blood deal with the truth.

AxxeMan:
Like I said!... Shut up this is my history not yours!!.... Now fucvk off!

Look at this uncultured young man who knows nothing about history. You kept disgracing yourself on here without any information but all you could send on here is hateful statement. Honestly, I don't blame you because you are a pathetic slave blood. My father ,Oranmiyan was the one that made your king, whose mother was given to him on a platter of God because he was dreaded before your so called oba of BINI have Yoruba blood. You think you have hot blood? Mine is 1000times yours but won't display it. It is only a child and coward that fume over discussable issues with facts but fact is alien to you all because you people are stand-up comedians that easily sell lies like a strike of thunder. So, you're not a brave man but a coward and a slave blood. Classical ignoble boy is who you are! Get a life for yourself because you have nothing tangible to add to what is being displayed on here. I can't laugh anymore because Oba BINI can't even deny oranmiyan as his patrilineal father that came with the word called O-BA. Yet you kept distorting as usual like your uninformed older people. It runs in your blood. Ingrate set of people.

Contd

Edo historians, must respect, Yoruba and ILE IFE. The screen shot below is about BINI and Edo deities that have no bearing on Lagos State nor Yoruba land. If they do ,kindly mention a place so that we can learn from you.

Oguola isn't the same as Ogun. And if indeed it is a Bini name, what does it mean to bear such name in EDO/OGISO that became a COLONY of ILE IFE? You mean the Oba Oguola that sent for help from Ooni in ILE IFE to send someone to help BINI develop in sculpture works?. And Ooni obliged as a father to a son relationship. A man was sent and his name was corrupted to Igue Igha from ILE IFE. This man is Defied in BINI till forever by brass Smiths. See how yoruba colonised BINI? Yorubas people rocks from time immemorial! Lick your wounds.

KingSango:
The Ooni is a sacred White chief whose bloodline was and is chosen by the Irunmole. Obas go to the Ooni to get their beads because Ile Ife is the sacred center of Yoruba culture. The Ooni was assigned as an Eunuch warrior and priest who life was to be pure. Eunuch were used even in China by emperors such as Oranmiyan who founded Oyo Empire. Eunuch were always loyal to the emperor when sometimes family wanted him deposed. Oranmiyan, the baba of Sango Alaafins, assigned the Ooni and his family sacred guardians of Ile Ife. Did you realize how many times Oyo was attacked, and sometimes burned to the ground? The price of Oyo being the capital of Oyo Empire and command center. You refer to Oranmiyan as an Ooni but he was no Eunuch he fathered children, two were Alaafins. The Ooni is over the sacred town of Ile Ife and the Alaafin is over the empire of Oyo. I can research the list of West African empires but I know there is no Ife Empire, no Oduduwa nation, and no Yoruba empire. There is an Akan empire, Mali Empire, a Dahomey empire and an Oyo empire. And last I checked the Alaafin is still the owner of the palace in Oyo. Long live the Alaafin Baba Sango Ayiawokabayesi Sango. Ase ase ase ooo

Kikikiki ,I wish you can see me laughing hysterically at this opinion of yours. You know nothing about Ooni. Go and learn the oriki (panegyric), then you will know that you are totally lost on who Ooni was and his. Oriki Ooni Ogunwusi will give answer to your question if any Ooni was a Eunuch. If Ooni was a eunuch, why did he Oranmiyan has descendants that are in millions through his son called Ooni Lajamisan. Are you saying Alaafin of the old weren't warriors? Oranmiyan assigned who? You re a first LIAR. I repeat, you are a first Class LIAR. obatala families are in ILE IFE, OBAWINRIN families are in ILE IFE. ILA ORANGUN, who was the first male legitimate child of Adimunia/Admilia/Adimula is at ILA ORANGUN to buttress this point. You keep making childish claim when infact OBADIO, who was and still the keeper of the shrine of Odu'a is in ILE IFE. Save me all these fallacious statement.

PrinceOgun:
Story Story......sSTORY

Is this not inferiority complex on your path? You can't even use your EDO /IDU/AKA/IKA names as your username? You people were and are perpetually looking unto Yoruba culture for fruitfulness.

RedboneSmith:
By the 12th century, the 21st Ooni was already reigning in Ile-Ife, if the radiocarbon-dating for the Luwo pavements match the oral tradition.

The 'Oduduwa Era' must have begun by the 9th or 10th century.

21st OONI Luwo didn't reign in 12th century because considering the Oonis that that had lived, using Ooni Lajamisan, Lajado-ogun and Lafogido respectively that lived before and around 12th century. Precisely around beginning of 12th century,Lafogido was the Ooni.These Oonis position were 8th,9th,10th respectively. Categorically, Oranmiyan lived during 11th century.

MasterChen:
Olu317 9jakool and Scholes0 have added some unique spice to this section. I love it! You can't even post nonsense in this section. Mans are already on standby to call your lies

I remember when this whole section was like some potor village with mod and his headwarmer crew running things. 9jacrip and the other traditionalist guy had left so they were just spamming the whole section with lies - potor style

Good to see y'all running things again

Konquest I like your posts breh

Thanks too for the acknowledgement. I do my things the way Eledumare and Ori bestowed such on me. You are indeed an omoluabi. Your humility has shown your identity. Have a blessed weekend.

KingSango:
Nonsense. The tradition of kings going to sleep isn't limited to Yoruba Obas. And the Ooni is not an Oba. The Ooni is a chief. The notion of the Ooni being king is totally a modern thing. As someone said before the original Ooni was a Eunuch meaning that is some castrated who is employed in a powerful position but not a threat to the real rulers, which would be the sons of Oduduwa, who were the Obas of the Kingdoms of Oyo Empire.


Ase

Love Sango

Nonsense?Do you know the difference between Chief and king? Can a chief command the respect of a whole ethnic groups even in diaspora? Can a chief be the one who determines who wear beaded crowns in Yoruba land ? You don't have comprehensive knowledge of Yoruba history. I only pity you because you have been brainwashed by Samuel Ajayi crowther's book called “Yoruba in the earliest times to the beginning of British protectorate ". I pity your type who don't understudy history from the perspective on truth. Lastly, Show me a status of Alaafin like the depicted Ooni sculptures you see all around even at British museum.. GOOOO AND STUDY YORUBA HISTORY FROM TRUE ACCOUNT.

Konquest:
^^^^^
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@ewa26


Urhobos also have "Oyibo" as surnames just like they have
"Okoro" as surnames. Even some Yorubas have "Okoro" as surnames
and they have different meanings to the Ibo "Okoro!"


However the word "Oyinbo" of Yorubas is NOT the same
as "Oyibo" of Ibos.


I clearly explained the meaning/origin of "Oyinbo" in my last post
on this thread and you can READ it carefully below:
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Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.


Oyin+Bo [IN Yoruba means HONEY+PEEL]


"Oyinbo" is a Yoruba word meaning
PEELED honey[BROWN HUMAN SKIN].

When you REMOVE the OUTER BROWN layer of the
Nigerian person's skin, due to hot water burn
or hot oil burn as an EXAMPLE, the SKIN TURN WHITE!


Oyin+Bo
Yoruba II English
-------------------
1. OYIN, [Honey]
2. BO, [Peel]


The African skin complexion is BROWN like honey!


Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile "Oyibo" to the Ibos simply means "Ibo People/Person"
and does NOT refer to "White People."

Ibos call white people "Onye Ocha" or "Bekee"


All the best!

They will not accept instead lay claim to it. But tell it to them.

flyover30:
what about the gods they serve.any difference?

Bini calls deities spirit Erinmwin Nohuaren which is similar to Yoruba IWIN(spirit). The Bini people worship these influential deities and some are imported from Yoruba land.Namely
1.OSANOBUA or OSA
2.OLOKUN
3.OBIEMWEN
4.OGIUWU
5.ESU
6.ISO
7.EKPENEDE
8.ARENBO
9.EMIHE
10.EKHIBI
11.AGBAGHUZALE
12.EMOTAN


Apart from the three, namely Osa,(God), Olokun(water goddess), and Esu (devil) which were thought to them by the Yoruba. Let Edo people who claims Lagos ownership come point at deities that is similar to BINI and are being worshiped in LAGOS?

It is just a pity that the people we see as an offshoot of Yoruba are the ones distorting. Ordinarily, it wouldn't have got to this if they had not bitten more than what they can chew..... Your Omo n'oba was the cause and you all must hear the truth. Yoruba people acknowledge every group that merged with them irrespective of the connection. Do BINI accept such? A Foot for thought to all of you who think they can distort history.

KingSango:
Now you are proving my point more clever than you will ever know.

You are saying Ile Ife is the mother, that is what I am saying. The Lioness.

That implies that Oyo is the father, the head king, the Lion, the Oba over other Obas, the Alaafin, who is owner of the palace. And the palace of the Alaafin extends beyond its wall.


Ase

Love Sango

You are not conversant with facts or better still, economical with it. Oyo was a very great empire but didn't control all part of Yoruba land. Oyo was controlled and subjected by the chiefs at some point in time unlike Oooni. Alaafin, can be told to commit suicide but Ooni is the Supreme king in Yoruba land. This position was so important to Oranmiyan that he had no choice but to come back and rule. No, Ooni has ever committed suicide. So get your facts right. Alaafin that was initiated into IFA cult by ADO EKITI. You are funny bro because you don't know much.

KingSango:
Now you are proving my point more clever than you will ever know.

You are saying Ile Ife is the mother, that is what I am saying. The Lioness.

That implies that Oyo is the father, the head king, the Lion, the Oba over other Obas, the Alaafin, who is owner of the palace. And the palace of the Alaafin extends beyond its wall.


Ase

Love Sango

You are not conversant with facts or better still, economical with it. Oyo was a very great empire but didn't control all part of Yoruba land. Oyo was controlled and subjected by the chiefs at some point in time unlike Oooni. Alaafin, can be told to commit suicide but Ooni is the Supreme king in Yoruba land. This position was so important to Oranmiyan that he had no choice but to come back and rule. No, Ooni has ever committed suicide. So get your facts right. Alaafin that was initiated into IFA cult by ADO EKITI. You are funny bro because you don't know much.

KingSango:
Now you are proving my point more clever than you will ever know.

You are saying Ile Ife is the mother, that is what I am saying. The Lioness.

That implies that Oyo is the father, the head king, the Lion, the Oba over other Obas, the Alaafin, who is owner of the palace. And the palace of the Alaafin extends beyond its wall.


Ase

Love Sango

You are not conversant with facts or better still, economical with it. Oyo was a very great empire but didn't control all part of Yoruba land. Oyo was controlled and subjected by the chiefs at some point in time unlike Oooni. Alaafin, can be told to commit suicide but Ooni is the Supreme king in Yoruba land. This position was so important to Oranmiyan that he had no choice but to come back and rule. No, Ooni has ever committed suicide. So get your facts right. Alaafin that was initiated into IFA cult by ADO EKITI. You are funny bro because you don't know much.

Efewestern:
my bad, actually thought they had the same meaning, since yoruboid and edoid shares alot especially in words and language, for example some urhobo words means exactly the same in Yoruba, eg olori, Oda (Udah in ilaje), Omo, etc.

Hope I didn't derailed your thread?

where is lalasticlala and seun self..

Derail?Not at all. Beside it's not my thread. Platform such as this is for learning and information sharing. And , of course I do know Yoruba share certain words with Urhobo and other Niger Delta groups.

Efewestern:
to my little understanding it means big crew in edoid.

Will verify later and repost.

Oh k. I do appreciate your own research if it is true.Furthermore, Ògèdèngbè was a fusion of Ogèdè + ngbè. A more or less ,meaning a statement or promise, in which such is enrooted in its efficacy on the law of nature. In summary, Ogèdè is efficacy of law of Nature + aided or supported by same nature on peculiar human being.