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Hati13:
Olu317,

Semitic and Ancient Egyptian languages didn't have mother-son relationship. They have only common ancestry (Afroasiatic), so this Hebrew didn't develop from Ancient Egyptian language.

Omotic was 1st and Semitic was the last to split from Afroasiatic.

Yes they do have connection. You need to read books outside Africa authors before you can understand more about the complexity of ancient language of the kmt (Egypt) Language . This classification you referred came barely in 20th century. Do you know the Ibo language is being pointed out to as the ancient Kmt language?Kindly point to any group in Africa speaking Egyptian language if you doubt about my information? If you think the Hebrew language didn't developed out,how did Abram communicated with the Egyptians during his life time? How did his descendants communicated in Kmt during the over 400 years stay in Egypt? Why didn't Moses change his Egyptian(drawn out of water) name after he had contact with God?

CooperJay:
[[s]quote author=Olu317 post=63720621]Quite interesting reading this with the rhetoric in it. However, ILE IFE as a place of formation of the people whose ancestors of the founding fathers were of different groups was the rightful place from which Oranmiyan( Oranyan) moved to different part to form his new dynastic rule. This event happened in two different places before he returned back to his base in ILE IFE. If the Oba Bini, is truthfully a descendant of orannmiyan, then no need for the supremacy tussle over this contradictory information because, according to oral information, Oranyan was the one that called that land ILE IBINU, because of the attitude of the people he met in that land. There was no time, that Yoruba ever claimed Edo as its own but claim Oba and the new founded territory CALLED ILE IBINU, which was created out of Igodomigodo, that was founded the Ogiso dynasty. The oba Bini is a “property" of Oranmiyan if truthfully they are his descendants. The Portuguese didn't know any name as such unless they were told by the indigenous people, themselves. What does Benin mean to Portuguese and its Portuguese foundational meaning ? I am aware there is Lagos or closely related name in Portugal as it is also a name attached to a Yoruba settlement in Nigeria. And the Lagos in Nigeria, has a Portuguese advent. There is Lagos in Mexico. There is Port Novou in Bénin Republic and it has a Portuguese meaning. If the Edo people decided to seize the Oba Bini historical connection to Yoruba, then that's left for them as far as I am concerned. But let truth prevail. [/s]

The same Oromiyan that is a grandson to Ogiso Owodo!

Don't redicle yourself and your tribe , don't you Yoruba's have better things to do other that lusting after the greatness of the Edo's!

Even your Oni now bows and kneels down to greet politicians and yahoo boys

Seems you are a new breed on this platform from the information you showed as it regard your apt for your non existing Ikelerdan owodo in Yoruba history . I won't waste much time on you because of your Ogiso that didn't exist. But quickly, let me ask you five questions, if you claim Odua descended from the Ogiso. Who was the mother of Adimunia? Which village did his mother exists from? What does the usage of white cockerel/pigeons/doves signify? What does usage of white Regalia mean to Ogiso mean lineage? Considering the fact that the Edo Monarchial is attached to Red Regalia. Why isn't the oldest Beads production discovered from Edo? Most of you people always come online without purpose but to showcase an irrelevant man in Yoruba history who was a coward ikelerdan or whatever name you call your non existing baby prince, who eventually died at Ughoton. Oh lastly, I am sure you have knowledge of the Ogiemie ancestors ,who fought and was defeated by Oba of Bini ancestors. At every tradition, there was a mock war in which the Oba Bini is called a TENANT in Edo tradition, Unlike the Ooni who was never a Tenant. I mock at your ignorance.

Deadlytruth:
The original name of Benin is Igodomigodo and their Kings were from prehistoric times known as Ogisos. Could you please tell us what Igodomigodo and Ogiso mean in Yoruba Language?
Cross-cultural interaction with Yorubas brought about the "Ile Ibinu" thing which is an inconclusive account itself as it leaves more questions than answers. Same war cross-cultural interaction with Portuguese got Bini corrupted to Benin. If Binis came out of Ife, then how come Benin City went on to grow and become far larger than Ife in land area and population?
I recall that this was the same logic a Yoruba guy here once used to counter the claim of a Bini man who claimed that Yorubas came out of Binis. The Yoruba man specifically asked him to explain how possible for Yorubas to have come out of Binis and went ahead to so expand as to become a larger tribe than Bini.
Same applies here to the suggestion that Binis came out of Ife. So please answer.

Quite interesting reading this with the rhetoric in it. However, ILE IFE as a place of formation of the people whose ancestors of the founding fathers were of different groups was the rightful place from which Oranmiyan( Oranyan) moved to different part to form his new dynastic rule. This event happened in two different places before he returned back to his base in ILE IFE. If the Oba Bini, is truthfully a descendant of orannmiyan, then no need for the supremacy tussle over this contradictory information because, according to oral information, Oranyan was the one that called that land ILE IBINU, because of the attitude of the people he met in that land. There was no time, that Yoruba ever claimed Edo as its own but claim Oba and the new founded territory CALLED ILE IBINU, which was created out of Igodomigodo, that was founded the Ogiso dynasty. The oba Bini is a “property" of Oranmiyan if truthfully they are his descendants. The Portuguese didn't know any name as such unless they were told by the indigenous people, themselves. What does Benin mean to Portuguese and its Portuguese foundational meaning ? I am aware there is Lagos or closely related name in Portugal as it is also a name attached to a Yoruba settlement in Nigeria. And the Lagos in Nigeria, has a Portuguese advent. There is Lagos in Mexico. There is Port Novou in Bénin Republic and it has a Portuguese meaning. If the Edo people decided to seize the Oba Bini historical connection to Yoruba, then that's left for them as far as I am concerned. But let truth prevail.

Continue in your ignorance ,Mr Portuguese named Bini turned Benin. So, what is the meaning of Benin to you? Then ,what is the meaning of Eweka?

AxxeMan:
WtF is Bini? Hahaha it is Benin! And it is of Portuguese origin and our history is well documented unlike some people who cliam they came from a piece of plot in ife with no historical evidence to back it up apart from stories from the moonlight concocted at Ibadan printing press

And you think Yoruba is a Yoruba word ?

Hahahaha You people have no ethnic history or relevance until awolowo came into politics!

So Bini is a Portuguese word? So you don't know Bini was a corruption of ILÉ “UBINU" / “IBINU". It's a pity seeing this form of distortion beyond imagination. So, Eweka was a Bini name too or Portuguese's? Owo-mi-ka or its contraction known as Owoká turned to Eweka. Oranmiyan gave his first child this name.So, where did you get your info? No wonder, those names are sacred in Edo cum Bini people's memory. Perhaps you have your own Edo version..... Post it and let us all laugh over it because you seem accurately good with revisionism.

AxxeMan:
Tell us the part of Edo you served! Liar, No Edo man who hasn't stayed in Yoruba land before understand or speak Yoruba as it is a foreign and strange language .... Stop spewing cheap lies !!

Even your own local language you speak in ekiti a typical Yoruba from Osun or Oyo does not understand and your language has been called gibberish numerous times by the Yoruba's I schooled with.

You don't even know your history , ooh you think you are really Yoruba?... Or believe you will ever be fully accepted by Osun and Oyo ppl?

Reality would dawn on you soon!!

And you think BINI is an EDO word? OMG.

AxxeMan:
Tell us the part of Edo you served! Liar, No Edo man who hasn't stayed in Yoruba land before understand or speak Yoruba as it is a foreign and strange language .... Stop spewing cheap lies !!

Even your own local language you speak in ekiti a typical Yoruba from Osun or Oyo does not understand and your language has been called gibberish numerous times by the Yoruba's I schooled with.

You don't even know your history , ooh you think you are really Yoruba?... Or believe you will ever be fully accepted by Osun and Oyo ppl?

Reality would dawn on you soon!!

And you think BINI is an EDO word? OMG.

scholes0:
There is some type of Benin-Yoruba diglossia going on , I am still teying to wrap my head around it.
Reason being that my experience with Benins in real life seem to be completely contradictory to what I see online/ even though I also know that people online are also real life entities.
In real life many benins have Yoruba middle names (I tell them it’s nice and they just smile), acculturate smoothly in the SW and have no problem with their Yoruba neighbors.

Is it that they pretend in real life and become other things online, or the group of ones online are just a tiny cancerous ( virulent strain) of Benin people bent on spreading their bile everywhere?
On this NL a group of Benin people has taken it as a profession to be on any such threads to spew their garbage of hate all over the forum floor.
They are few but they are very persistent- signs of a group on a mission.

Man,there are more to what is posted on this forum. I will call it reminiscing the past of the Bini hold on towns amongst the few Eastern Yorubas before they were cut off after one war and the other. It is important not to take this hatred people online either on NL or elsewhere with levity if the previous Oba Bini could refer to Odua as Ogiso descent, yet no known connection. Furthermore, the incumbent Oba Bini still affirmed to the same disgustful opinion but used a political intonation by digressing and claiming Oba was a Yoruba dynastic term. The point is that, if some section of these people are full of distortion and propaganda, then Yoruba need be wary of them because their distortion spread like wildfire. It is quite unfortunate that Yoruba open arms are been taken for a ride. Sincerely, I hope some of these Edos will desist from these propaganda. After all, we didn't tell them to pull out of western region, they did by themselves. The hatred and distortion is just out of this world.

PastorAIO:
Abeg, where in the bible did it say that Hebrew 'through Egyptians language and religion'? If you can't find it in the bible I even allow you to bring any other scholarly text comparing the 2 languages.

According to the bible Moses is not an Egyptian name. That is according to the bible o.

10The child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter and he became her son. And she named him Moses, and said, "Because I drew him out of the water."
Exodus 2:10


Abram also mean 'Exalted Father' in Hebrew. God changed his name from that to Abraham which means the 'father of many' in hebrew.

So here is a Chaldean man with a hebrew name that corresponds with his later mythological status. The name gets changed to another hebrew name that further depicts his mythological status.

He had a son and named him Isaac which is Hebrew for Laughter, because Isaac's mother laughed when told he would be born.

Why is a Chaldean man speaking Hebrew like this and giving hebrew names to his children?

The only conclusion is that these names could not have been the real names of the characters. These names were given to them many centuries later when their stories were being told and the names were chosen to match their stories. In other words we are firmly in the realm of Myth.

Even the first man Adam. ... This name just means Man in Hebrew. And his wife? Eve, or Ha'wah.. Well that means 'Mother of all living'. How comes they have hebrew names if Hebrews didn't even exist at that time.

lol lol lol.

If you don't know that Hebrew language developed from Egyptians language, then I am convinced you have not studied many books and people's history. Perhaps, your Biblical perspective has overdrawn your emotions strictly to the Bible's open interpretation without giving specific to its clarification as an Egyptian description to the advent of Moses meaning . Must such be written in the Bible? Do you know the Bible came in contact with the Greek before the English? The Assyrians had a writing method likewise The Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Roman Empire etc. The Israelis had no known writing form, no kingdom, no country of their own until Moses manifested through the power of supernatural force known as Eli —ohim (YHWH). What's is your point? Even another pharaoh fought and captured Israel during his campaign through Meggido was known as Necho II. He single-handedly changed the name of Judah's king from Joakin / Joachin/Joachim to Eliakin/Eliakim which testified the might of Egypt. If you claim Moses was an Hebrew name, which is was an Egyptian name because Hebrews language had not developed independently and a pharaoh's princess whose language was kmt (Egyptians) and spoke Egyptians language, in which she used in the descriptive circumstance to name him as Moses. But come on here to denounce such conspicuous info , then I quit.

Cheers

Deadlytruth:
You are obviously a typical uneducated Yoruba bigot on an expansionism mission that has already failed. The guy schooled you. Live with that.

Much as you don't have to be Edo before you can know about Edo, you however can't know Edo more than the Edos themselves. I may have a lot of literature about Yorubas at my disposal online but that will and can never make me more knowledgeable about Yorubas than a Yoruba person born and bred in Yoruba land. So when an Edo person born and bred in Edo State speaks you listen and learn from his first hand knowledge rather than insist on the incomplete and inaccurate knowledge you gleaned from online articles and books written by non-native scholars like you. You don't claim you know me more than I know myself. That is absurd and moronic.

So you went all that length to resist the Izoduwa story which appears to you as a Binis' attempt to impose their own version of your identity on you yet you are here at the same time trying to impose your own concocted idea of Akoko-Edo people's Identify and history on them even when an Akoko-Edo person is here refuting it all and telling you the fact as a native? Is that not hypocritic? See your life?

Sorry for you. I am an Akoko-Edo person born and brought up there and still live there. You are hallucinating. Almost all Akoko-Edo towns and villages are inhabited by ancient Bini Migrants. Most of their languages and dialects share a lot of words with Bini Language. Ibillo people are part of the ethnic group called Okpameri which is the largest in Akoko-Edo. Other Okpameri towns are Lampese, Bekuma, Imoga, Kakumo, Somorika, Ekor, Ilepi, Ugboshi Afe, Ugboshi Ele, Makeke, Anyauza, Ogbe, etc. None of them was founded by any Yoruba historical figure. They all migrated from Benin at different times.
The next largest tribe is the Uneme tribe which has towns and villages like Uneme-Nekhua, Uneme Erhurhu, Uneme-Akpama, Uneme-Osu, Ekpedo, etc. None of them was founded by any Yoruba. Unemes are metal smiths till today - a skill they carried from their ancestral Benin home. Their language is almost purely Benin.
Igarra is just the largest town but not the largest tribe. In fact Igarra is the third largest tribe in Akoko-Edo. So your assumption that the largest size of Igarra automatically translates to largest tribe status for them showcases your stark ignorance about Akoko-Edo and further proves that you are on an expansionism mission which will surely fail.
Other Akoko-Edo settlements are Okpe, Ijaja, Enwan, Akuku, Ososo, Egbigere, Sasaro, Ushi, Anyaran, Ojirami, Ojah, Atteh, Ikpeshi, etc.They are all together fifty six in number. None of them has any history of being founded by Yorubas.
Akoko-Edo is in Edo State while Akoko-Ondo is in Ondo State. So I am left wondering what you mean by your claim that they are together. Akoko-Edo was cut into Midwest along with other Edoid tribes because they were clearly not Yorubas and had nothing in common with them otherwise they would have been left in the Western Region during the creation of Midwest.
As for the Yoruba factor about which you exposed immense ignorance, here is the truth, kiss it for once:

The geographical area currently known as Akoko-Edo was initially known as and called Igarra-Edo by the colonial authorities which observed that nearly all the inhabitants are Edoid in language and traditions. The inclusion of Igarra root in the name was on account of the level of primacy which Igarra exhibited among the other settlements even though Igarra was not the largest tribe nor the second largest. However with time and more enlightenment the other tribes began to agitate that the name Igarra-Edo was not truly representative of the actual diversity of the area. But neither did any other single tribe have a simple majority to confer on it the status of overwhelming majority. This led to a logjam which in an attempt to resolve the different tribes, including the Igarrans themselves, had to agree to pick a neutral name to replace Igarra in the name. Owing to historical familiarity with their Akoko neighbors through trade interactions over centuries coupled with the fact that they were already placed in the newly created Western Region, they thought it strategic to adopt the Akoko root and moreso to gain political relevance within the Western Region given the fact that qualification for entitlement from the Regional government was not much by merit as was by real or apparent majority membership.
That was how the people came to use Akoko and not that they we're Yorubas.
However with the creation of Midwest, the Yoruba factor became unnecessary and began to die a natural death. For the teaching of Local Language, schools reverted to teaching the mother tongues of the villages in which they were located and the use of Yoruba language in communication became progressively discouraged and resented. In the end the only Yoruboid village that ever existed in Akoko-Edo and was actually founded by Yorubas was encouraged to get themselves carved into Ondo State. And this was done in IBB's 1991 States creation and boundary adjustment as the village in question called Imeri located on the Northwestern end of Akoko-Edo was carved into Ondo State.
Thereafter Akoko-Edo has become devoid of all traces of Yoruba.

If you claim Yoruba didn't found any settlement there, how come did Fred Agbaje Bl, Ll.M. M.Phil(Deseased) ,who was a popular Akoko Edo indigene claimed that their own town was founded by Yoruba people? Since, you are vast about Akoko Edo, I am sure you know where the late lawyer came from.

PastorAIO:
My own question is simple.

Why did a man who was not a Hebrew have a Hebrew name. Abram means 'exalted father' in hebrew. Is it when he was born that they knew that he was going to be an exalted father? Or is that not even possibly a nickname or title that his descendants gave him later?

As I have mentioned earlier which is the correct information about Abram,who was of Chaldean origin within Mesopotamia and I still wait for a genuine information to counter this. As you have quoted the Bible,you should also remember, that the writer of the first set of scroll known as “TORAH"was Moses, who was born in the land of Egypt even bore an Egyptian name known as “MOSES". This solve the question you asked . Moses was the one that mentioned in the scroll, the myth of creation, one God,Abram etc. Furthermore, Hebrew language didn't exist for long because of Israel's captivity . There is no place in the Bible, where Abram was referred as Hebrew's name ,despite your pinned point,which a well studious individual of the Bible will have knowledge of it .Do you now claim God called him Hebrew? Secondly, Israelis language and religion formation developed through Egyptians language and religion . How do you now look up to wiki to determine, Abram's language? He lived in many places before settling finally in Ur, where his descendants dwell before the next face of ancient Israelis and the absolute scattering of the language into different part of the world. This was how Aramaic existed and its near extinction as well.

PastorAIO:
Genesis 17:5

5"No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.






Is it just me or is anyone else noticing a trend whereby the most rabid and incoherent drivel is posted by those professing christianity. It is as if they are under some kind of demonic possession.

Do you even know the meaning of drivel? I won't reply you anymore because you have no knowledge of Christianity, talkless whom Abraham was. However, I will let you answer one or two questions openly without quoting me. Show a place in the Bible where Abram was called an Hebrew man? Secondly ,show us, in any archeological finding where Abram was from the land of Hebrew?Please don't quote me again because your kind of words shows that you are intolerant to the truth.

ProjectNaija:
Pictures please.

Research still being done continuously in ILE IFE and other Yoruba cities and towns . Below are Some of the beads that still make Caucasian /White researchers see us as a unique ethnicity.

PastorAIO:
What you are writing above is hardly coherent. let me just touch on a few points where I think I get what you're trying to say, yet are still very wrong.

One: There was no such thing as Israelis in ancient history. Israelis started in 1948.

Two: There was no such thing as Israelis/Israelite/Hebrews in 2200bc! If you even want to give abram a very early date then you might be able to squeeze 2000bc.

Three: Abram is itself a hebrew name meaning 'the exalted father'. (the name alone is fuel for those who would claim that he was mythological because why would a parent call his child exalted father, it would be the descendants that look back and confer on him the name of exalted father). But my main point here is that if Abram was a Sumerian then how come he didn't have a sumerian name.

four: You are definitely a nigerian christian. Just making things up sha! So Abraham is a priest in your bible. So speaking with God makes you a priest. If you don't speak with god nko? So Aaron that was the founder of the Hebrew priesthood would be less of a priest than Moses.

So in your opinion every prophet was a priest. whether or not they were levites..... abeg I tire.

Abram wasn't an Hebrew name because he wasn't an Hebrew in the first place but his descendants were identified with such name. In fact, ISRAEL WAS THEIR ORIGINAL, which was borne out Jacob's name being changed by God. His father was Terah and was of Chaldean origin. Secondly there were account on archaeological that were found to have mentioned the dates I referred. Even your reference whom you acknowledge so dearly, in the person of Ben Tor on the same information on . The most important of Israelis tradition were borne out contact with Eli/Elohim/YHWH,through Abram. And one of the contact with God ; “And when Abram asked whereby he might know that he should inherit it, God said to him, "Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she-goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtle-dove, and a pigeon." .These were the animals firstly associated with Abram and his descendants. In fact, you are quite funny, because identifying someone's place of origin that history has record of it has nothing incoherent about it as you seem not to be very widely read on this. Below is a journal that mentioned sixth century info and check out the YouTube info about them which has same dates I referred. Lastly, Christianity is a way of life. I know my ancestors tradition and before Jesus came, no human being took away from my ancestors their tradition and until the coming of Jesus Christ, no one will take away from my descendants and family. Christ Jesus was the promise of God to Israel.
There was ancient history , if you have no knowledge of it, doesn't matter. I hope you will agree with the archaeological information you see in it. Kindly let go of the postulation but focus on the archeology.

Check this out :https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yc5kKSzzUI

PastorAIO:
I don't understand your meaning. Ben Tor is an archaeologists that studies ancient canaanite sites. I don't see what the 6th century bc has to do with his work, or with what we are talking about.



Go and research about the Canaanite Gods. What was the name of the chief god of Canaan? I'll save you the effort. His name was El Elyon.

All those gods that you name as Israelite gods are actually Canaanite gods.




You must really be a christian. Only a christian can make up totally unfounded 'facts' like this and shamelessly post it in a public forum.

Hebrew which was the language of the Hebrews (Israelis did not come into existence until 1948), is related, at least in written form, to Arabic, to Phoenician, and even to ancient Greek.



Okay, please try and explain this. The chief deity of the Canaanites is El Elyon. The diety of the sumerians are An, Enlil, Enki etc....

Don't you find it curious that the god Abraham worshipped and followed was called El Elyon. And Abram even deferred to his high priest Melchizedek. does it make sense that a Sumerian would decide to start worshipping the god of the Canaanites?

Yes Ben tor is an archaeologist and did studied ancient history of Israelis as it relates to the land of Canaanites. I have seen different archaeologists that have spoken and written about Canaanites. And there are archaeological information that had mentioned existence of Israelis around 2200 BC, 1500 BC, etc. This were partly the information as regards archaeological alphabetic order of ancient Israelis. There are so many info that archeologist don't agree with, yet the Biblical account is still the leeway to archaeological findings. When I mentioned the sixth BC, I know what I am informing because, the archaeological finding showed that Canaanites were neighbors of Israelis, despite the postulation that the Hebrews developed from Canaanites. My take is that the whole world developed from one source yet at every new human tradition formation differentiation occurs. The ancient Hebrews had a God that was different from everyone that existed during that period. I mentioned the Sumerian because before existence of Israelis, Abram and his descendants married to different tribes, according to the Bible, which is the basis of archeological information as regards Israelis formation. Elohim or YHMH was the nearest name of almighty God of Israelis during the Abram existence. And he recognized Melchizedek, despite the fact he came out of Mesopotamia .The important aspect is that Abram himself was a priest as he spoke with God. This was how his descendants came to existence. The most important aspect of the Israelis tradition was through the killing of white ram which made Abram distinct. This is the only way you can firstly Identify the Israelis. And archeology is gradually supporting this point. Even some criticism against David and Solomon existence were shut down when the new scroll testified to the mentioning of existence of the house of David that were captured by pharaoh shershak.There is information of this. The Israelis had the first five book written by Moses known as Torah, despite through many writers that showed the existence of Israelis as different people.

absoluteSuccess:
Amen my bro, we all are one big family.
Merry xmass to everyone.

Same to you my brother and your entire family.

Hati13:
Ok, but could you watch this documentary which support what I said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yc5kKSzzUI

I have watched and still referred to Bible as a source that is linked to archaeological finding. There have been postulation about Canaanites as linked to Israelites but originally the Israelites were from Chaldean /Sumerian —Mesopotamian offshoot, considering Abram's ancestors. Despite the fact here traveled to different part within and Middle East and Africa, specifically, the land of Egypt. He was the one that a single God named Elohim—YHMH, Elyion, Eli was known through to his descendants. Furthermore there are no concrete evidence to support this information except the similar archeology that showed pottery that looked alike but the difference is simplicity of Israelis pottery while the Canaanites pottery was complex and they had no known God as Israelis. This didn't take away the fact that the world evolved from same parentage as it seems.

PastorAIO:
Actually the archeology and ethnography does support this.

Perhaps you should first look up what he is saying before you dismiss it. You should check out the work of people like Ammon Ben Tor.

Well, the information on Ben Tor didn't go beyond sixth century BC. And this period the Israelites were already captives of different kingdoms. The foundation of Israel is the first to reckon with, which stand as the basis for ethnic or tribe's identification. As far as I have gone through many documents, the Israelites were not ancient Canaanites but did married to so many people, which made them lost touch with their God known as Elyion,Eli,Elshadai etc. The language of Israelis developed out of Egyptians language. So, few authors that tend to deviate to proof some point can't be neglected but hold no strong evidence. This is because the history of Israelis started from Abram and to Isaac, etc until they became captives in Egypt. The location of the land Israelis occupied were already occupied during their captivity. Even if that land had been given to Abram before his descendants existed. So, there is no iota of doubt that Israelis inter married to different people but not the original people called Canaanites. Furthermore, the ancient Israelis extended beyond the shore of their land and lived in Arabia axis etc. The Persian of this world was in Iran. The Babylonians was in somewhere in Syria. So,as at sixth century BC, Israelis territory was a cosmopolitan city because they were slaves as at this period. If you have evidence that pinned down Abram as descendants of Canaanites, then you have a point but if otherwise, then he remained a Chaldean /Sumerian —Mesopotamia descendants as evidence has shown . Despite the fact that he even had many children outside Sarah and Hagai the Egyptian.

Hati13:
Ok thanks for the explanation.

By the way, scholars are now saying that the cannietes (sorry for the spelling) were the Israelites themselves and they were generally never been enslaved in Egypt and there was also never been an exodus from Egypt to Israel back then (I watched it in a program called "Bible Secrets Reveled" ). Few Israelis might have been enslaved by Egyptians and returned to Israel after some years, but the Israelis in general were never been enslaved by Egyptians rather by few elite Israelis themselves. What do you say about this?

Let us be honest with ourselves because archeology and ethnography doesn't super this. The most important aspect of Israelis tradition are mostly written in the Bible and Torah and does not support the ancient Canaan as Hebrew people before the new one(isrealis) emerged. The worship of God and animals associated with Israelis made them different. The Israelis used Heifer as sacrifice by house of prophet, which started from Aaronic dynasty, while the house of David uses Ram as sacrifice for replacement for a son that needed to die as a sacrifice to God. This does not change the fact that all ancient Israel uses ram as a form of sacrifice I'm one way or the other. Furthermore, the Islamic religion has adopted this tradition as a yearly sacrifice in their own religion. The first set of Canaanites were offshoot of Cush. The historical Israelis weren't Canaanites but adopted many names due to their migration pattern to the different locations they found themselves. And on the exodus out of Egypt was true even if different conquest had existed in Egypt, with different ethnic groups, which had erased many historical connection to Israel. Till date, the land of Onias still exist in Egypt even if the location had been destroyed because there were written document in Aramaic. Below is an attach document.

Hati13:
Why?
If they have lived in their present territory for many thousands of years, then it means they followed Judaism before Islam.

This is because the Palestine are philistines offshoot with Ishmaelite fusion. The Hebrew were already slaves and captives in different gentile nation as at when ottoman people took over Jerusalem. First of all, the Hebrew were first made captives after their first freedom from Egypt during the lifetime of of Moses then by the Assyrians, the Persians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Then Romans , in which the Hebrew language was already outside the shore of ancient Israel, which was replaced with Aramaic ,which Jesus Christ witnessed, during the days of Roman reigns in Jerusalem. The ottoman Turk presence started from the capturing of Eastern Jerusalem, which these Palestinians had relocated during Jesus existence and the Roman lost the location of the Palestine ,which is Eastern Jerusalem .The sultanate had grip and had taken over Egypt before this time. And around 1260, the mamluks ruled Palestine from Egypt and The Sultan Selim 1, challenge them . And around 1517, his son's Army took over the whole of Israel land that the part the mamluks were were formerly in charge after a war campaign. So, Israel had been in bondage for thousands of years. And Judaism was not accepted by these foreigners known as palenstines and other Arab immigrants because Judaism had left Israel as at this period. Even till today, there are Jewish settlers in Palestine enclave that are bilingual in both Arabic and modern day Jewish language. And some Among them still practise Samaritan goodwill.

Hati13:
I'm just blabbing
Jerusalem definitely belongs to Palestine aka Islamized Jews.

No no! The Palestinians aren't islamized Jews.

rhektor:
Osangangan = noon

Obamakin = king know bravery (king is brave)

The ancient Yoruba is very archaic. Going by the the conceptualization of the name, the breakdown from my understanding could be : Osangangan = Osa-ngan - gan = Real / Authentic Lord/God.
Osan gan gan= Authentic noon brightness
Obamakin =Oba-m-Akin = My lord/King is brave or My brave king.

The use of Bénin and pronounced as Bénigne was borne out of the the pronunciation of the English accent of it. And it was accepted. The problem with majority of the English speaking African countries is that the always feel they are more exposed than the rest of African countries. And this isn't true. Most of the young lads in Nigeria, who are interested in history aren't studious beyond their local tribes history or within Nigeria's tribes ethnography. Forgetting the fact that there are too many possibilities that can and did connect the world due to trade and exploration. Below is the English pronunciation. So, stop making unfounded claim with any proof. Bini has no connection with Dahomey's Bénin. Does it mean because the French use ÎLE which mean island and the same ÎLE mean land in Yoruba, does it mean it has any connection? Of course not. Study is the key to information gathering. Stop this pathetic cry and accept the truth.

Bénin(Bénigne,) mean the following in French

At times I feel disappointed at the rate of confidence people have at the rate they turn lie to near truth. Anyway, the beauty of information is knowledge acquisition. Once again, lies and propaganda takes us nowhere but destroys a lot of things. However, for the right frame of mind who are willing to do research should verify if indeed Latin word known as Bénignus was translated to French or the reverse of Bénigne(Bénin) to Latin's. Below is a screenshot of the word Bénigne —Bénignus.

Konquest:
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@Olu317

Thank you for your post!

I didn't see your reply in the "Mentions"
Section when I first logged in several hours
back... but it could be as a result of a little
technical glitch.


It's GOOD to know that you are
a Prince of Ile-Ife and a direct patrilineal
descendant of Odu'a! It is surreal... my
instincts earlier told me there was something
special about you from your very deep
socio-cultural/near-esoteric posts
on NL.


Nairaland is one of
the best global Websites/online fora that
have made
it more efficient to make deep contacts with REAL people and this is why I haven't ditched
Nairaland since 2005 when I started using
this online discussion forum!


I observed several etymological DISCREPANCIES in the article posted by @Naoma as well and that is the REASON
why I asked for his "Source or Reference" for
the article which he obviously copied and
pasted from another Website/Blog on
this thread.


@Olu317, you must have also observed
that I posted the alleged
names of some kings in Ife [pre-Odu'a dynasty]
from the 1991 magazine [Roots International] which the Editor hypothesized are of IGALA origin.

The names of the kings again are: [OPERETI, ENEWA, AWUREBE, OBA IGBO, OLOJA, IKEDU]. These
are the names the 1991 magazine Editor
said were of IGALA and Ibo origin. Since 1991,
I have been restless and seeking to know
more about the IGALAS most especially.

I'm glad that as a bonafide Ife Prince, YOU can CONFIRM whether the above is TRUE or NOT based on your
knowledge of cultural/historic events in Ife [The
Source].


If I can digitally SCAN the "Roots International" magazine and historical
articles I have in my archives to high picture
resolutions, then I will share them with
YOU on this thread or on one of your personal threads which I have been steadily reading.

A lot is not being done in schools to
educate the young ones about most of
the current histories[NOT Social Studies
myths] of the people of
Nigeria that
have been known among an "inner circle" of historians
except you carry out your own independent
reading/investigations like Sherlock
Holmes.


I remember that Professor Jide Osuntokun[Nigeria's former Ambassador to
Germany and iconic UNILAG Professor of History]
emphasized in a 2004 article that there were several
"autochtonous" communities in Ife, Akure and other parts of Yorubaland before the great Odu'a Dynasty came into existence and revolutionize the political and cultural makeup of Yorubaland via the powerful kingship systems such as
the evolution of the Oyo Empire [Oyo evolved
into a strong Empire as a result of the mastery of long-distance
trading and the building of a strong calvary
of horses and military men].

He also gave the REAL definition of
Oduduwa [Odu + Iwa]. He emphasized
that the rise of a new Ruling Dynasty should
NOT be equated with the ORIGIN of people
using Ife as an example.


I have NO doubt that the Yoruba and Igala are
close cousins and share direct genetic ties
and the 65% of Yoruba words in Igala language
is NOT as a result of contact via trading
activities that someone suggested earlier on this
thread. In fact CONSULTATIONS with IFA
is made by Ifa Priests before an Attah is chosen from
one of four Ruling Houses in Idah - this is what
HRM Attah Michael Ameh Oboni of Igalaland
said in the 2-page interview he granted to
Saturday Punch of August 26, 2017.


A gentleman of Igala origin also confirmed
to me in 2015 that in his area of Igalaland,
WATER is called "OMI" just like in Yorubaland.
It looked and sounded so surreal to me when I heard
him say so.


This does NOT mean that Igalas don't
share strong cultural and some linguistic ties with Idomas, Jukuns, and Edos along the
border areas. In fact if you look at a map
online or offline, the Igala capital of Idah directly faces Agenebode
in Edo and they are both ONLY separated by
the RIVER NIGER!


All the BEST and do have a GREAT weekend
@Olu317.



PS. This thread was created for those who want
to learn Igala language, but then the references
to Igala history and the Igala relationship with
neighboring ethnicities such Yoruba, Bini, Idoma,
Ebira, Jukun, etc, CANNOT be avoided from
time to time on this thread.

There are different account from different researchers because the search for the authentic account is still far fetched as it relates to Yoruba history, which Adimlia /Odua played part during the growth of the group . To be honest, Ikedu is not a king but a form of oral language spoken in ILE IFE from which there were account of older kings that existed before Oranmiyan emerged. And odua Admilia/Adimula,/Adimunia was somewhere the 44th king, because it was during the 46th king that Oranmiyan entered back into ILE IFE to challenge Obalufon who eventually stepped down. The point here is that ILE IFE was very important as it was a cosmopolitan city and some people lived there as at that time who were of different groups but two groups were more prominent,who were the priest lineage leader and the princely lineage group. The distortion today is as a result of inconsistency of the oral narrators because of egocentrism, which has made mockery of Africa history. On the names you referred is partly a problem because Yoruba researchers didn't accept it in the first place that ILE IFE had been moved to several location, which has been said to be eight ( places until recently. This definitely mean that Yoruba had mingled with different tribes before the mastery of survival within the deep forested environ. And there are modern information to buttress if indeed the mentioned Leaders you accounted were Rulers in ILE IFE, which if truly DNA ought to have acknowledged them as ILE IFE 's people. Even today, Oore Otun acknowledge that they were foreigners (according to their account, Oore history did mentioned that they emerged through the sea) and odua accepted them. And at every passing on to the great beyond of each Ooni ,Oore Otun Ekiti is the one that reveals such information to the public domain culturally. Igala is practically related to Yoruba, the same way Tapa (Nupe) people. Lastly DNA has proof of strong ties of Yoruba people and many part of the world.

KingSango:
This thread is about the Alaafin not the Ooni. The Alaafin's supernatural power over all the Obas in Yorubaland. The Alaafin is the head of the Yoruba Empire called Oyo. The Ogboni you mentioned are the police and military of Oyo Empire. This combing, the previous people, those ones who originally owned Ile Ife, with Oduduwa's people was a great achievement. Without the marriage between these two forces the empire of Oyo would have not been possible. Ogboni goes back before Oyo, this I know. But Ifa didn't come from Yorubas but Nupe people. There's is so much you are leaving out like the fact the Ooni's mother was a concubine and a common woman. I don't want to say she was a slave because that's an European word, but the Ooni's mother was a servant elevated to queen. The other sons of Oduduwa and daughters mothers were royal princesses who married Oduduwa to become Ile Ife queen mothers.

Ase

Love Sango

Ogbonis are the military or police what? Ooni's mother was a slave? No no no! I can't engage you on the history of Oyo anymore.

step1:
I have told you that are funny sets of people. I am a bini descendant from Lagos but ....

Oh k. Just that I don't see any reason for egocentrism from some of these people. Anyway, without such distortion, people won't see the reason to query some information and down more research.

SicilianMafia:
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Counter what? The trash you posted?

Lool it is common knowledge how Dahomey got renamed and its your choice if you prefer to self inflict yourself with illiteracy and bigotry out of jealousy of a tribe far greater and bigger than you!

I know hearing the word Edo gives you nightmares and sleepless nights ...Eyah poor boy

Ignorance is the greatest CERTIFICATE you bought! I won't answer you anymore because I have screenshot what Bénin mean. You people are chronical liars. I can't understand when BINI became the superpower that she was named after Dahomey whom were described based on their interaction with French Colonial expansionist. Ride on.

SicilianMafia:
Jesus..... Does this lie not taste bitter in your mouth?

I don't need to guess your age but certainly, you have given yourself away. However, go to France or Bénin Republic if BINI is known to them the way you make it seems . The The Dahomey Amazons or N'Nonmiton, which means "our mothers" in Fon, were a Fon all-female military regiment of the Kingdom of Dahomey in the present-day Republic of Benin which lasted until the end of the 19th century. These female warriors would have pounced on Bini heads if not for Yoruba people. Most of you people are just interested in quoting someone's post, yet you don't have information to counter such resourceful info. Instead , you result to insult. I had thought people like you are the ones that will be very studious but reverse is the case. Many at times that I read many messages of your type being sent online, make me feel Nigeria education system has actually collapsed. And I truly feel bad for many younger ones of the country called Nigeria . So pathetic reading your jargon, is it “open your mouth"? How can you open your mouth online? Too, many unfiltered messages. Go study, before you can imagine of outsourcing someone like me .

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KingSango:
Showing support while dodging facts.

I'm disappointed in you, two.

Ase

Love Sango

Dodging fact, how? I have told the truth about Oranmiyan and Ooni descendants that ruled and still ruling. And here you are distorting history. I don't engage people, who basically are not researching and not into oral record verification but based their opinion on Yoruba history on Samuel Johnson book's. You are the one that need to know, I don't. Oranmiyan seal is the inscription that each sword given to Prince that moved out of ILE IFE after his reign. This didn't change the fact that there were so many other Odu'a descendants that had moved out earlier than him but he returned back to IFE to rule as Ooniorisa (Ooniosa).