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absoluteSuccess:
You and the Edomites or the idumeans of old.

Good that you still rocking the boat here.

Good old days buddy.

Yeah bro,good old days! And these BINI people need be told to sit down because their history is over 90% incomplete without Oranmiyan, invariably , Yoruba people. I didn't see you often as well and I had thought busy schedule could be the reason. Candidly it is really good reading from as well. Stay blessed.

Rgp92:
Very beautiful art. Made by Yoruba! We really are special to Africa

Understatement because we are special to the World. Unequalled Yoruba Art work made from alloy copper in the the past that no ART work in any part of the world ever surpassed this feat. God bless Yoruba Nation.

tosyne2much:
The threats about tithing is becoming worrisome but it takes a wise and enlightened person to know that tithing is not a MUST but a CHOICE according to what the Bible has made us to understand (only if you are reading the Bible with stupidity and delusion)

Christianity is beginning to constitute nuisance these days. No one bothers to talk about salvation any longer. It's always about how you're going to live the rest of your life in penury in you don't pay your tithe, how the doors of heaven is going to be shut against you if you fail to pay your tithe, why you should not give N50 as offering, etc.

It's however worthy of note that some religious leaders are robbing members to live luxurious life. If we look at what is happening today, we will see that African pastors are the most flamboyant and financially successful in the world. Religion has created an avenue for a lot of charlatans parading as "men of God" to fleece the poor of their meagre resources just to live in luxurious homes, drive the latest luxury cars, travel to the most exotic holiday destinations with their families,

Only rich people are now recognized in churches. The poor are being marginalized because they don't offer the church money.

God please come down and destroy this country make everybody go rest

Wisdom can either be earned earthly or divinely because even the deficient leaders have deficient followers. Still, no one can walk the walk of another man without being an ardent follower . While the efficient leaders do have efficient followers. Clearly, the Bible mentioned it as a means to connect to one's extraordinary gift from God if One is an ardent follower of Christ and ultimately God. If people take advantage of others, doesn't mean, paying tithe is by choice. Of course not, tithing is strictly meant for Judeo—Christian Faith. And if anyone isn't comfortable with it, then atheism is available to switch over to but to be called a Christian and not pay tithe,isn't a crime to those who aren't believer of Abraham's faith but robbing God if One is a believer of Abraham's faith and Jesus Christ. We all have right to choice. And when we have choice, then let's choose wisely!

adeboizy11:
Bully moderator(s),
It is with profound anger in my heart that I write this piece(s) to you.
I got the weirdest shock(even if it took like 3days to realise) when I found out that I had actually been place on a ban I knew I had done nothing to deserve. I mean I've done virtually nothing to be banned, I've made sure that over the course of my interactions on this platform, I have (and still will) respected others as I would like to be respected by others(moderators inclusive).
Why on earth will I be placed on ban? When some people go out there and do nothing but hurl insults and hate speeches(both tribal & religious) at others without getting banned. On a sincere note, the moderators really have to be devoid of these "their muscle flexing" attitudes and actions.
I am not saying I'm without mistakes as whatsoever before some holier than thou elements feasts on this write up, but for posterity measures and advancement/improvement in the mode of socialisation on this Nairaland as a medium of socialisation, if the bullies disguised as moderators feel there's need for them to exercise their "heavy weight" on anyone by banning or whatsoever, "there should be a message sent to the person, notifying he/she of his/her offence(s) and given the privilege of defending him/herself. My candid opinion.

Cc Oluwaseun Osewa, lalasticlala, mynd4 and all of them gang.

I have been banned too for responding to insult on my personality. So, don't feel too bad about it. Honestly, there is need to call the attention of the moderators but I feel they are not bothered at all ,without considering the fact that, not everyone on here belong to the same age grade and one find out how emotional some people are.They aren't as active as regards cautioning people on here .If the moderators were really working, sanity would have been the order of the day on here because, I have seen on here, insult from very very young lads and they were not cautioned. So take heart and don't WORRY be HAPPY!

Obalufon:
Thank you somuch Olu .

Thank you too. A ki n du ope fun àra éni.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^
@Naoma

Nice to read this post from you.
I some how missed your post previously.

Please what is the SOURCE or REFERENCE for the information you
posted here stating the Igala connection with the Yoruba and Ife?

I have in my personal library a magazine called "Roots International" of August 29, 1991,
Vol.1 no.3 that hypothesised that the early Ife indigenes were of Igala ancestry and
even stated that Eri's son [Onoja and his descendants] moved into the Ife area and indicated
that the early Ife kings before Oduduwa's arrival were of Igala origin
[Names such as OPERETI, ENEWA, AWUREBE, OBA IGBO, OLOJA, IKEDU].


On the other hand while searching for some information on Igala history
in 2015, I came across a post by an elderly Ebira man on Facebook who said he was
surprised that young Igalas online did NOT realise that Igala is the UNION of
EBIRA KOTO[Apa]+AKPOTO YORUBA

DNA tests from DNAland and AfricanAncestry.com are available that can confirm/trace the
DIRECT patrilinial or paternal links in the genetic pool among the Igalas, Yorubas and Ebiras.
This is something that has to be done this century.


Cc:Olu317, laudate, macof, 9jakool, kn23h, naptu2, onuwaje, alariiwo, nisai,
oduastates, aribisala0, MasterChen,

Naoma blundered on “THE CONCEPTION OF ODUDUWA " because I am not just a descendant of the man but also a member of his descendants whose patrilineal side of Odu'a made great exploit. I wouldn't have responded to this if it wasn't for the respect I have for Konquest. Post here is about learning IGALA and I wouldn't loose sight of it. I am interested also in learning about Igala people and the genuine connection and not as a result of Odu'a .

Cheers.

Loluores:
(sigh...) I give up.

I hope you have not given up in showcasing the skill you acquired from institution. You guys are appreciated, at least I am a fan of yours. Keep up the Yoruba language exposition going, it will definitely materializes into financial benefit. I wish you don't see this issues as rivalry but a healthy way to expose a lot of us who are deficient in Yoruba language. This is because, some of us are learning Yoruba Language via social media at times and I will appreciate if at your spare time you will continue to enlighten us more on Yoruba Language. Learning is an eternal thing. God bless !

Hati13:
It could be this link,
http://www.metaphysicspirit.com/books/Wonderful%20Ethiopians%20of%20the%20Ancient%20Cushite%20Empire.pdf

I have downloaded it. Thanks

RussianRacket:
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Stop behaving like you skipped Basic Education , Benin republic was named After The Bight Of Benin Vis a Vis The Great Benin Empire !

Jealousy norgo let u see road , better Leave Edo that you are a stranger and go and face your brown roof states Oyo and the other one Osun that is too poor to pay salaries 

Ozouno1 i Implore you to ignore this joker , knowledge is power ,Empower yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bight_of_Benin

Jealous Who or what ? I can't even see in Yoruba recognition either religious wise or sculpture works from Bini but the reverse. This is hurting to you because most of you have no historical knowledge. I am definitely certain you have not knowledge beyond your pseudo Edo history that is not beyond your BINI enclave. The Ijaws have made mockery of you people, by declaring BINI as a foreigner and of Yoruba ancestry. The more studious you are, the more exposure you have. I have made my point known as the fact stand. It is indeed a sorry case for Nigeria, reading message as this, without any evidence. I have done justice to it. Bénin Republic is not connected to BINI. Edo is landlocked to her south of East and South of the West. Continue in your ignorance

Hati13:
I think you made a good points. But ancient Egyptians weren't Berber, but close to them because of common ancestry and mixing after the 2 became distinct ppl.

What link?

I thought you gave me a website to read some stuff about Egyptians Pharaohs. Anyway, the dynamism of ancient Egypt made it exceptional in the event of the world.

BINI isn't the same as Bénin. Don't quote Wikipedia but go to the French site and learn the history of the French colony in West Africa.

If you don't like it, then go hug the sea.

Ozouno1:
I'm Igbo. I just was looking up the names of countries and wanted to find out what Benin meant. A lot of countries worldwide are "republics" set up by Eurasians, even if they have a name from a Black language.

Yeah,Bénin has French meaning. Like I had mentioned earlier in previous post. You can google it in French and its English translation. The Dahomey were the ones that the French used the word on because of their hospitality and mild attitude toward them(French visitors) to Dahomey before the conquest. The reality is that a lot of Nigerians are non researchers but based their opinion on personal ideologies. This is the reason, the western World researchers haven't taken many Nigeria's pretty colonial era seriously except the ones they were directly involved in the excavation of Art work and other antiquities. The more research you do, the more information you find.

Ozouno1:
I'm Igbo. I just was looking up the names of countries and wanted to find out what Benin meant. A lot of countries worldwide are "republics" set up by Eurasians, even if they have a name from a Black language.

Yeah,Bénin has French meaning. Like I had mentioned earlier in previous post. You can google it in French and its English translation. The Dahomey were the ones that the French used the word on because of their hospitality and mild attitude toward them(French visitors) to Dahomey before the conquest. The reality is that a lot of Nigerians are non researchers but based their opinion on personal ideologies. This is the reason, the western World researchers haven't taken many Nigeria's pretty colonial era seriously except the ones they were directly involved in the excavation of Art work and other antiquities. The more research you do, the more information you find.

Mulakintanwa:
THE ANCIENT NAME OF EGYPT IN THE TORAH IS IN YORUBA

The name for Egypt in the Torah is the combination of the following consonants

M.TS.R - Y.M

Said to mean two straits.

Follow up

M-TS-R-Y/J-M


ON VOWELIZATION

aMo -TSI RI _ eJi Mu


Clay built- standing straight _ Two


That is by this time Egypt probably already have two of their cone standing.

Below is an inscription of Jews living in Egypt around 4BC. The language spoken was Aramaic, which was also known to Egyptians. Let us know if you can deduce the writing in comparison to Yoruba lettering that you mentioned. 1/3 of Yoruba is enrooted in Semitic words because Islam developed from Arabia peninsula,which was Semitic language . And Yoruba share many word with with these people. Kindly do just to it if you can. I am not here to test your ability but to see if you identify the cognates in the correlation. Regards.

Hati13:
When I say Black stock, it like for example African Americans have some European and Native blood in them, but they are still Black stock. So the ancient Egyptians may intermingled from the start with non Black ppl, but they were still a Black stock until extensive mixing started to lighten them quickly from the Assayrian invasion onwards. The recent DNA research indeed said that ancient Egyptians were the same as today Middle Easterns, but this doesn't mean the ancient Egyptians weren't black. For example, Ethiopians and Yemenis are very related in DNA, but most Yemenites are light while most Ethiopians are Black. I'm not trying to be biased, but I truly believe that ancient Egyptians looked like the ppl of Horn of Africa. They themselves said they came from this part.

The Libyans were Berber, but keep in mind that the ancient Berbers weren't lighter than the current ones. They looked similar like their sister Cushite ppl until they were raped by Caucasian ppl lol. When you have time, please read this PDF link. The Book mentions a lot about Africa and says that ancient Libyans used to call themselves Ethiopia aka burnt or black face.

I'm curious to ask you some questions.
• When did the Libyan pharaohs took the crown of Ancient Egypt or did they even were the original (first) pharaohs?
• Do you think that the Ancient Egypt population was Black? If not what were they?

Egypt was at a point in the center of the world as a successful nation because of their Artworks and wealth . This drew people people of different cultures to to Egypt. It was due to this that different people after a period of time challenge the power that rules and if eventually overpowered the ruling Pharaoh, the next dynasty of Pharaoh emerges. There are at least thirty (30)dynasty that ruled Egypt. And among these dynasties, Libyans ruled before Cush (kushites). Verify the dynasty from ;www.metmuseum.org and will give you an idea of the rulers during Pharaoh's days. www.ancientsudan.org. will give you idea the period Kushites rule during Pharaoh's day when the cult of Ammon was at the center of Thebes. Lastly, the Egyptians are more of Berbers(North Africans) than Arabs.I have seen a lot of people having ego on this forum because of Afrocentrism, which shouldn't be overblown. Yes,there were people of kushites—Ethiopians in the past that had made the Hamitic people proud but let people be objective when research is carried out, so that there will be no reason for bias. Like, I had mentioned on the previous post that new set of people were formed when intermarriages occurred during the ancient times. Below, is Egyptians DNA submission.


*I didn't see the link. kindly resend it so as to read from it.

MayorofLagos:
I pity you. Look at your lengthy anger over a theoretical input. I didnt know nobody is allowed to offer a theory without first studying and understanding all these subjects. Now that I know, I will be more defiant and offer theories that are wild and extreme. I want to revv up your anger.

I adore this piece. I have mentioned one peculiar tradition of admunia descendants (Ooni ) that I, Olu was initiated into the RAM SACRIFICE and the peculiar yard of white clothes usage. How on earth will someone now deny research that is connected to a people in Middle East, simply because of pride? How can someone claim descendant from Pharaoh who worship Ram and don't kill them as sacrifice call that lineage as Odu'a ancestors? There are so many information that was lost due to the acidic nature of the the present location of Yoruba land, which is rainforest region. The tradition of OONI point him to Hebrews. Either true or lie, ancestral worship is a key to ascertain one's connection to wherever one came from. One person asked, who the father of Odu'a was, and there was no answer. Do you even know that kings existed before Odu'a in the ILE IFE history before his arrival ? These kings are not known by many people in Yoruba land. But Ifa corpus have record of some kings that existed in Yoruba world , like Olugbon, Aresa . Despite the complexity of Yoruba history,simply because of intermarriage with different groups. All Yoruba have direct link to the clan in ILE IFE ,even if some people deny part of it. Yoruba are related. So the earlier the better for researchers to look at all theoretical possibilities to the places Yoruba migrated from.

googi:
Can not believe this new denial that Yoruba was the lingual franca in Benin palace similar to Itsekiri. Read the Oba of Benin book that started this novel theory of Oduduwa.

He translated Benin to Yoruba as Ile-Ibinu. He translated Eweka to Owo mi ka.

Soon you guys will deny you ever bear Yoruba names if you belong to the royal family.

All the novel theory started because Ogiso has never accepted Oba and Oba has to lease the land each time at coronation from Ogiamen.

Now, do you have to speak Italian and German to tell the difference, if you are exposed to both?

There are Kora that speak your language better than you. Portuguese cannot speak your language but you took pride in your Oba speaking foreign language.

You guys are just using pedestrian logic since no serious historian will even touch your rejected Oba in Benin looking for relevance with igbale.

Let them continue in the denial of the truth. And we will see where it will leads them all. They will soon turn around and tell us that Yoruba language developed from EDO. Yet Yoruba don't bear their names but reverse is the case. Cancerous pride is in the blood of many of them. They killed the last ogiamien and declared him missing for more than ten years , Just to stop the ceremony to showcase that Bini was ancestrally of Yoruba lineage and that Oba BINI and the oranmiyan entourage are tenant on that land

Hati13:
Blacks are diverse. Most of the rulers of ancient Egypt prior from Nubians were also Blacks. Before the invaders, intermingle might also happened voluntarily with others, but the population was still a Black stock.

You missed a vital point because every race on planet earth started as same stock and migration begun thereafter. The Kushites only came to rule Egypt when Libyan Pharaoh ruling then had political problem .The Kushite pharaoh Piankhi, successor and brother of Kashata, invaded Lower Egypt; that is in about 728 BC. He crushed the rebelling armies of Tefnakht (King of Sais) and Oskorn (King of Tanis), the strongest and most influential of the Libyan kings in Lower Egypt.in 759 BC, Kashata (760-747 BC), the pharaoh of Kush after Alara, invaded and occupied Upper Egypt with his armies. At the time the capital of Upper Egypt was Thebes, which was also the main center for the Cult of Amon..This was how Kushite ruled but didn't take long before the black were pushed out. Mind you, the Libyans were Berbers and don't call themselves blacks. There were different people of different mixed up in the ancient times. And people developed differently with different cults. These were the basis for identification and fraternity.

Hati13:
Blacks are diverse. Most of the rulers of ancient Egypt prior from Nubians were also Blacks. Before the invaders, intermingle might also happened voluntarily with others, but the population was still a Black stock.

You missed a vital point because every race on planet earth started as same stock and migration begun thereafter. The Kushites only came to rule Egypt when Libyan Pharaoh ruling then had political problem .The Kushite pharaoh Piankhi, successor and brother of Kashata, invaded Lower Egypt; that is in about 728 BC. He crushed the rebelling armies of Tefnakht (King of Sais) and Oskorn (King of Tanis), the strongest and most influential of the Libyan kings in Lower Egypt.in 759 BC, Kashata (760-747 BC), the pharaoh of Kush after Alara, invaded and occupied Upper Egypt with his armies. At the time the capital of Upper Egypt was Thebes, which was also the main center for the Cult of Amon..This was how Kushite ruled but didn't take long before the black were pushed out. Mind you, the Libyans were Berbers and don't call themselves blacks. There were different people of different mixed up in the ancient times. And people developed differently with different cults. These were the basis for identification and fraternity.

Information bring forth enlightenment and if such information is contested based on ego, then there is any basis. However, information I have given on this platform is supposed to be verified if some people feel bittered about the truth. The earlier the better for some people to get acquitted with the truth rather than the assumption without fact to counter my submission based on research . I am not one of those that engage in falsified info and I will reaffirm it again that Yoruba language was spoken in BINI court in the past!

AfriRenaissance:
Correct, the pronunciation is the same. Mdw Ntr (Medu Neter, colloquially referred to as Hieroglyphic language) doesn't use vowels.

Whoever the thread creator is, is reaching. A very far Abrahamic-ass-licking-embarrassing reach. Shame he didn't mention the equivalent of "Ta-Merry" in Yoruba. The native Ancient Egyptians didn't refer to their land as Misraim fam. So if the Yoruba word for KMT is any variation of Misraim, it's clear that they are not or were not part of the indigenous population that formed the nation.


I have heard that some Yoruba claim they are descendants of Ancient Egyptians fleeing the Nile Valley due to invasions though. This is possible. Migrating south and westwards seems extremely probable given the evidence.

I practicality want you do more research about Yoruba because Ram sacrificing was normal in Yoruba land before contact with Islam. Yoruba people is older than Islam and Christianity. And yet we use Ram as sacrifice. if you feel Yoruba are Egyptians, I feel you need to know the reason Yoruba flee through Sudan to the location known as yoruba land. The Egyptians historical libraries have this information as well. Below is an account of Egypt and jews disagreements.

AfriRenaissance:
Correct, the pronunciation is the same. Mdw Ntr (Medu Neter, colloquially referred to as Hieroglyphic language) doesn't use vowels.

Whoever the thread creator is, is reaching. A very far Abrahamic-ass-licking-embarrassing reach. Shame he didn't mention the equivalent of "Ta-Merry" in Yoruba. The native Ancient Egyptians didn't refer to their land as Misraim fam. So if the Yoruba word for KMT is any variation of Misraim, it's clear that they are not or were not part of the indigenous population that formed the nation.


I have heard that some Yoruba claim they are descendants of Ancient Egyptians fleeing the Nile Valley due to invasions though. This is possible. Migrating south and westwards seems extremely probable given the evidence.

Forget the Abraham licking and study your ancestors history. Now, there are Egyptians written information that mentioned Jews. You may not accept it but you are one of the Abraham's descendants if you are Yoruba. I have dug deeper than ordinary. If you feel Yoruba are Egyptians, why do Egyptians worshiped Ram but Yoruba use Ram as sacrifice. Below is Egyptians reference to Ram.

AfriRenaissance:
Correct, the pronunciation is the same. Mdw Ntr (Medu Neter, colloquially referred to as Hieroglyphic language) doesn't use vowels.

Whoever the thread creator is, is reaching. A very far Abrahamic-ass-licking-embarrassing reach. Shame he didn't mention the equivalent of "Ta-Merry" in Yoruba. The native Ancient Egyptians didn't refer to their land as Misraim fam. So if the Yoruba word for KMT is any variation of Misraim, it's clear that they are not or were not part of the indigenous population that formed the nation.


I have heard that some Yoruba claim they are descendants of Ancient Egyptians fleeing the Nile Valley due to invasions though. This is possible. Migrating south and westwards seems extremely probable given the evidence.

Yoruba people weren't Egyptians but lived in Egypt at one time or the other because Egyptians don't use Ram as sacrifices. How come do some people feel Yoruba are Egyptians? I mock a lot of people without such information. There were so many different types of people that ruled Egypt and the only group that ruled Egypt was Ammon and these people were kushite(Cush)whom were also known as Ethiopian or ancients Sudanese people.

Hati13:
It won't continue like this. Awareness is being given about ancient Egypt by honest African and honest European/Arab/American scholars. Ancient Egypt was black civilization in a board sense.

Not absolutely true that black were the outright ruler. The Nubians were the black people that ruled kemet at a point in time during her days of glory but lost it like others did. Amon days was a glorious during their reign. Fact about life isn't just all about pride because people's intermarriages brought forth new Nations in the ancient times, which was the reason new group of people evolved. The present day Sudan ruled Egypt and was the core location that spread forth through Egypt and other places like present day Israel, Palestine and Arabia environment etc.

MayorofLagos:
The name of Egypt was written in ancient Hebrew. The closeness of ancient Yoruba and Hebrew makes it apparent that is recorded in Yoruba.

It will be like writing an original script in Spanish but decoding it in Portuguese. Thats because Spanish and Portuguese have same linguistic root.

The Hebrew were a group of people that developed through Egypt .In fact, Egyptian language was the language through which Hebrew language developed. Do you know , there was a king during 6BC that was known in Judah(HEBREWLAND)as ELI—AKIN/KIM?

Hati13:
The pronunciation seems the same.

Yeah,you are correct. Though, the Egyptian world has moved on but her native of ancient times has been silenced.

Ozouno1:
I'm researching the meaning of country names. It is interesting that Dahomey took the name of another Empire and became Republic of Benin.

But I cannot find this information. What is the True Meaning of the Word "Benin/Bini" and what language does it come from?

Benin is different from Bénin. Benin metamorphosed from Ule Ibinu to current day Benin in Nigeria. While Bénin Republic came into existence as a result of the Damohey people's welcoming attitude towards the white, when they came in contact with them i.e strangers,especially the French. Basically, it is a French descriptive word for Dahomey people which inturn can be said to be an adjective that literarily mean kind. Honestly I have seen the like of mongo park here on NL who claimed to have discovered Odo oyá, known to Yoruba which its name was changed to River Niger, a river that had existed before his great grandfather was born. And each tribes existing in present day Nigeria gave the river name according to the link associated with it. Some people will come online and start claiming Edo of BINI Kingdom extended her rule to Dahomey country..... These people can kill with their generic Lying. And I thought some Edo boys here claims having French knowledge, which ought to have pinned down the difference between the two. In other not to mislead people, who genuinely seek authentic information on certain aspects of the people of Africa.


If you are Edo and genuinely want to learn, researched works are out there to be fed with if in sincerity you seek such. But if you are Edo and allows pride to envelope your mindset, then, I will not go further than this.

KingSango:
Its well known history the first child of Oduduwa was a girl. The princess married off to a Bini king so the Benin people are part Yorubas. Royal marriages were arranged in ancient times between kingdoms to bring peace. Although I don't know what will bring peace between Yorubas and Igbos that live in Lagos. But Lagos is Yorubaland they are there in the hundreds of thousands and have land all over the place that they own by family. No land owner should be poor.

Biafra has blinded some Igbos. Western empires are behind financing Biafra, because they want to break Nigerian alliances with each other. As soon as a Biafra materializes then you will see the Westerners form alliance with Igbos. But after the Western empires become militarily strong in the region with Afro-com military bases they will turn on their Igbo allies too! When will we ever learn from history? All must build up Lagos but do not take away a poor man's land because thats all some families have is their land. All must build Igbo land eventually for a stronger region.


Ase

Love Sango

Kikikiki ooo my God. It is very bad reading a classic distortion like this. There was no BINI when Odu'a daughter was given to a man, who was known as Obatala . Stop this non verified information

jomonic:
I think you have to eschew sentiment and face reality. I am looking at a Nigeria of equal opportunities. The way Canada or USA will admit you and you become a part of them. This is the vision of our founding fathers. I believe that it is the ideal that fired the passion behind the coalition that shed fratricidal blood for the sake of one indivisible Nigeria. If Nigeria thrives on this ideal we will be as great as the world super powers.

Splendid submission but it won't be possible because of the founding fathers weren't honest with one another. This is because, before any different groups with pride can decide to forge a unified union, the real power brokers, who truly control the people are well informed. Also, religion, tribes and ancient form of governance were different, these are supposed to considered. Until the real problems, which has to do with allowing self expression and equal opportunity are placed before people so as all to see reason to make the country great like every other developed countries without saboteurs. Assumption of being great will always be theoretical in Nigeria .

Hati13:
The real name of Ancient Egypt was Kemet.

Kmt=kemet.

MayorofLagos:
Although Yoruba say it is Ibinu (the annoyance of Oranminyan on account of encounters in Edo).

Here is my honest theory -
That Bini and Omo N'Oba are connected and cojoined terms and mean "child of" or a "reproduction of".

In Yoruba there are two identifiers for a child; each carries a spiritual equivalency reference. Omo is that which is seeded by the father. Ibi or Bibi is that which is birthed by the mother.

The seed of the new dynasty is Omo N'Oba, but creation of the new State is Ibini (Bini).

The story of Oranmiyan himself has not completely been told. Next to Oduduwa, Oranminyan is the next greatest Yoruba in antiquity. He sat on three Thrones - Oyo, Bini, Ife.

In my own theory I believe Oranmiyan is same as Aramean and Orion. This is for discussion in future.

Hmmm,I do appreciate many people who are connected to the present day people known as Yoruba and the extra work been done to unravel the identity of these founder of the dynasty known today. I, have informed on several occasions the ritual associated with Odu'a's ancestors and his descendants, which is a pointer to the place he came from. Ritualism and religion is a key to identify people's ancestry wherever such people migrated from or emigrated to. I had at one time in my research thought that Odu'a came from Egypt (Kemet), considering the “Ora" which is suffix to to Oke. And “Ora" is linked to the Ram worship in Egypt, while Pharaoh was the kingly lineage leader that worship such animal because Ra(m) was associated with god in their own religion. However, Odu'a don't worship Ram but use it as a sacrifice for redemption and other form of cleansing. I am deeply rooted in the particular aspects of Odu'a rituals tradition, so I was absolutely 100% certain he and his people in the present day oke Ora in Yoruba land weren't Egyptians. Then, the Aramean classification of the grandson of Odu'a known as oranmiyan, may seem connected but I see it not being accurate because Arameans didn't have this peculiar tradition that solely belong to Odu'a ancestors and descendants and Abraham's descendants. Certain information may be seen as weird but it is true .Do you know not all descendants of Ooni Odu'a descendants uses this ram as sacrifice, according to the account? Then, as far as I am concerned, Oba BINI didn't met his father, oranmiyan till both died because he,Owomika(Eweka) was a baby When oranmiyan left, so this can explain the reason oba BINI don't meet his apparent heir to the throne. On the name of BINI , like you rightly opined, the land of vexation (ULE—UBINU — ILE IBINU —BINI). In every words, there seems to be different meaning even if such word are shared amongst different clan or tribes. As far as I am concerned, Omo n' Oba, emanated from Yoruba through oranmiyan and literally mean King's son or a son crowned as king or son is king. All these depending on what happened during that period.

KingSango:
Benin kingdom maternal descends from Oduduwas daughter, she was their first queen mother.

Ase

Love Sango

Eeeh,where did you get your own account of BINI and Odu'a?

Loluores:
There's a problem with offering translations in Yoruba in this way. It's prone to inaccuracies.

You've just implied above that ṣé means should. If the person you're teaching then goes on to accept that, they'd be making blunders everywhere! They'd say:


English: You should go.
Yoruba: O ṣé lọ. (ehn)


Ṣé is called a sentential modifier in Yoruba grammar, which is, it modifies the whole sentence. In this case, it's used simply to turn a whole statement into a question. In some cases when translating, you can never really find direct translations, only close equivalents between languages. Ṣé might be loosely translated as "Is it (that)...?" In French, they sometimes say "Est-ce que...?" in front of a statement to ask a question, similar to ṣé


Kín does not mean I. It's only the n part that means I, the kí is a separate word. So it's written as kí n, not kín
So, what is kí?



Kí is called an introducer or a complementizer marking the irrealis mood. Eeehn? What's all this grammar, you might ask.

Kí is also a word put in front of a whole sentence (that's why it is called an introducer). I'll leave out the explanation of complementizer, don't wanna get too complex. Irrealis nko? Irrealis talks about words that express concepts like wishes, prayers, fears, doubts, hopes, obligations, permission, commands etc. within the predicate of a sentence. Some languages like French might call it the subjunctive mood. The opposite of this is the realis mood, which might be called the indicative mood.


When I say, "should I go?" like in your example above, I'm expressing the need for someone's permission, maybe a doubt. That's what kí signifies. It's not only kí that can signify this irrealis mood in Yoruba, there are other words like gbọ́dọ̀ (must), ní láti (have to, need to) and lè (can), but lemme leave it at that.


When the first person singular subject pronoun is used with kí, it changes from mo to n. So it's kí n, not kí mo.

Now, see these examples illustrating these ideas.

I did it. = Mo ṣe é. (realis)

Did I do it? = Ṣé mo ṣe é? (realis. Weird, huh, since it's an expression of possible self doubt. I'll explain some other time)

Should I do it? = Ṣé kí n ṣe é? (irrealis, seeking permission or command)

Should I do it? = Ṣé mo gbọ́dọ̀ ṣe é? (irrealis, obligation as in "Must I do it?", "Have I to do it?", "Do I have to do it?" )

Should I do it? = Ṣé mo ní láti ṣe é? (irrealis, necessity as in "Need I do it?", "Do I need to do it?" )

To the learners, I'm sure by now you can say "Can I go do it?" in Yoruba. The words you need are here in this comment, put two and two together.


All these nuances, very interesting, shey (ṣé)? Maybe I should even just write a book (bóyá kí n tiẹ̀ kúkú kọ̀wé kan sílẹ̀ ni o).

Very elaborate. You are highly appreciated. Keep it up.