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If God created the universe and everything in it, then God also created evil. God therefore is ultimately to blame for all evil, not only for creating is but for permitting it. God can stop evil right away (if he is in fact all-powerful). But he does not. If there is evil in the world it is his will that it be. So if God punishes anyone then he is a huge hypocrite and, essentially, evil himself.

truthislight: that last part is a function of anger.

If i was hooked to homosexuality and found out that based on my most fevourit "pastime"(gay) am being judged and sentence already befor the end itself and as long as i am concern there is no going back on my choice of "pastime", then it will make a lot of sense to hate/reject such a God.

This is partly the reason why atheism is an attractive option for gay persons.

As such the conclussion that most atheist are gay is very well justified.

Come to look at it, do you feel it is a bad thing being gay? Why the beef?

However, It will not be out of place for someone to show to us why most atheist cant be gay.

Just because a particular belief might be an attractive option for a certain category of people does not automatically mean that they must as a result make up the majority of the people who share that belief. Ultimately, only a scientific study could answer that question. However, given that homosexuals are only about 3% of the population, it is doubtful that they could make up a majority of atheists, given that, in many countries, the percentage of atheists is above 6% which would mean that most atheists could not be homosexual.

As an atheist, it makes sense to me that gays and lesbians who grew up in a Muslim or Christian household should want to leave their religion. I don't necessarily think that atheism is a necessary consequence, perhaps agnosticism, apatheism, or Daoism might also work for them.

As far as saying that most atheist are gays, that is just plain foolishness. There are plenty of reasons to reject religion.

For me (atheist), morality is generally relative but there are some absolutes, for example, I can't think of any circumstances for which human sacrifice could be justified (assuming that the victim is an innocent person). In fact human sacrifice has only occurred as a matter of religious belief anyway....

In this day I have no problem with accepting homosexual relationships or marriage. However, I can understand why it would have been strongly condemned in an earlier period where populations were low and infant mortality was high, especially among a group (the Hebrews) who were surrounded by more numerous enemies. They needed as many men as possible fathering as many babies as possible.

You probably don't give enough money to the pastor.

MLK jr lived during the transition of blacks from the Republican to the Democratic Party. He was probably a Republican during his early life, but certainly by the 1960s he was a Democrat thanks to Kennedy and more importantly Johnson. This is true of many blacks in the south, as the Democratic Party in the south represented the white supremacists. This changed when the northern Democrats began to support civil rights. Then the Republicans began wooing white southerners, who left the Democratic Party and became Republicans, where they are today.

6) Inaction: An unwillingness/inability of ordinary Muslims to stand up for once and for all and eliminate the crazies. When the crazies come out, regular Muslims get out of their way.

I don't believe in God, but from the way he is described in the Bible and Quran he sounds like a spoiled child with a great propensity for cruelty.

I agree. My life has more meaning without an imaginary sky-daddy.

More than once Armstrong categorically denied ever being a Muslim. Plus he was cremated and buried at sea. Muslims do not cremate nor do they bury at sea. Ever.

That video clip gave me cancer.

How I feel as an atheist watching this discussion

obadiah777: THOSE ARE END DAY PROPHESYS. DANIELS CHAPTER 11 FROM VERSE 31 UP TO THE END VERSE IN THAT CHAPTER STARTS WITH THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN 70 AD UP TILL WHEN CHRIST WILL RETURN. THE VERSE I QUOTED IS VERSE 43. THATS LIKE THE LAST EVENT AFTER WHICH THERE WILL BE THE THIRD WOE AND THE THIRD WORLD WAR.

Every generation believes they are in end times and finds the 'evidence' to prove it. This has been going on for 2500 years.

The Bible is a huge book which says many things. I bet I can find confirmation of virtually anything I want to believe with a little effort and creative interpretation.

I am not even remotely impressed. You simply are interpreting what you want to of some vague verses that were actually talking about events that were expected to occur at that time, not 2500 years later. I could do the same with horoscopes and Nostradamus' predictions.

But if the United States of America, Russia, England, and China had been mentioned by name in Daniel and their locations and histories approximately described, now that would be impressive.

There's a whole bunch of (black) African Catholic saints in Uganda, 22 of them declared saints in 1964. One of them, St. Kizito, was only 14 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Martyrs

T_Bademosi: Onetrack step up ur faith. Thats all you need.

An atheist simply do not have the capability to exercise faith. Trying praying for visitation, inspiration and knowlede from God. He may just prove himself to u.

I respect Jesus as a teacher, just like I respect Buddha. But to go from that to believing that Jesus was a god, or a son of a god, or a prophet is, for me, a completely illogical and unjustified step. For me, the 'null hypothesis' is that god does not exist. I see nothing in any religion that would cause me to reject the null hypothesis.

I'm an atheist but I don't necessarily see Christianity as folly. Jesus gave some pretty good advice in a part of the world that has many problems. However, to me Jesus is only a philosopher and a teacher, not a prophet or a son of a god.

You know, I actually agree with the concept of free will because I am an atheist, however, I have a difficult time accepting that the god that is described in the Bible can be all powerful and all-knowing but at the same time offer free will. So if god already knows the choices you are going to make and does nothing to stop it when he can do so easily, and is going to send you to hell for what you did, then that god certainly has a component of evil.

About 25% of people will experience sleep paralysis. It has nothing to do with sleeping position. It MAY have something to do with disrupted or unusual sleep patterns, like taking a nap during the daytime or not going to bed at a regular time. No evidence of evil spirits or witches.

Reyginus: You dont have to quote all that to disproof anything.
Is it wrong to destroy the car I manufactured if it's malfunctioning?

I don't get your analogy.

As far as the Bible is concerned, you don't have to eat a whole apple to know that it is rotten.

In addition, you have not shown that God gives free will. The fact that people do evil is no proof of anything. God can certainly will evil things to happen as part of a 'larger plan'. In addition, if God allows free will, then God cannot truly know the future, because God does not already know which path you will take. And if he does know, then free will does not truly exist.

MacDaddy01: I could easily say that it is proof that God doesnt exist

Exactly.

Uyi Iredia: Even if you say there is no evidence for a God_there is_ that doesn't qualify to make a theism a mere lack of belief. Atheism is a philosophy with its own creed, ethos and a burgeoning structure. All you need to inform yourself that atheism is indeed manifesting itself as a religion is to note the daily activities of atheist groups particularly in America.

You are confusing atheism with humanism.

lilcutie8916: My bible made predictons of alexander,cirus, merdes and persia, roman empire, etc and it all came through in exact details pls do explain that.

That comment gave me cancer.

Reyginus: You are wrong again. Your typing here is an evidence of freewill.

Prove that it was not the will of God that I typed this.

denitro: No!
God is not fair but MERCIFUL.
If God is fair, none of us will make it to Heaven.
He is merciful that is why we can make Heaven.

And this mercy is based upon blind belief in a book of dubious origin? Or in good works/behavior?

Reyginus: Have I in anyway in this discourse used the bible?

No, but what is asserted without evidence (the existence of God-given free will) may be dismissed without evidence.

Uyi Iredia: ATHEISM IS A BELIEF AND A PHILOSOPHY. Its plain dishonesty to say atheism is a lack of belief. Maybe I should also define Christianity as a lack of belief in pagan gods.

Atheism is a lack of a belief, not a belief. Atheists--at least most of us--say "there is a lack of evidence for God" and not "there is no God". It is a subtle but real difference. Atheists could accept proof of a God if he chose to do so in a way that was unmistakable.

Your point about Christianity is well taken. Out of all of the thousands and thousands of gods that have been worshiped throughout history, I believe in only one less God than Christians or Muslims. There are thousands of gods that Christians and Muslims do not believe in....

Reyginus: Freewill is in your ability to chose the path of good or evil, and not an inborn drive to always strive for good.
God will allow it, not because He is evil or unable, but because we are in our era of grace.
Now their are two contradicting questions, why is God punishing evil? Why is He doing nothing about present evil?lol.
The former is because the period of grace has expired, and the later, a day has been set aside for judgement.

You'll have to prove this without the use of the Bible or any other 'holy' text before I'll agree with you.

frosbel: Let us be careful here, to us Christians the things of GOD must make sense except we do not have the Spirit.

As for those atheists and Muhammadians , they need their eyes opened by this same Spirit before they can grasp spiritual things , otherwise it is wasted effort.

I'm still waiting to feel this spirit. In the meantime I'll remain an atheist since it makes more sense. Martin Luther said "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has". I prefer reason over faith, so no thanks, Dr. Luther.

Reyginus: You miss the point brother. 'All-knowing' does not make God the controller of our actions, because it will be a breach and contradiction of our freewill.
God dont have to control our actions to prove He's all-knowing. He also dont have to prevent us from doing them, to proof He's all-powerful.
All-knowing God= He knows everything, but wont control everythin.
All-powerful God= He can do everything, but He wont do everything.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not all-powerful. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is evil. Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" --Epicurus

In any case nowhere have you proven that there is free will. If there truly is free will, and God allows innocent people to be victimized without doing anything, then he is not fair, in fact he is evil.