₦airaland Forum

Umunne m, I really don't  think that frosbel being Igbo is relevant at all in this discourse. I even thank him for bringing us this news. We need to know what is happening in Northern Nigeria and how it is affecting us. If we don't know what is happening, how can we ever know when it would reach our land? Do you think this will stop in the North?
Though I don't like the fact that there are still Igbos in the North (ndi nti ochi), I would use their plights (yes I would because ha adighi anu ihe! ) to read the tealeaves of events, and then take adequate measures to prepare.

Let's keep focus on the REAL issues here.
Thank you frosbel!

jason123:
Again, MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU!
Are you saying the Rubber and some cocoa in the MW was not enough to sustain the MW?
Are you saying the Cocoa in the West was not enough to sustain the West?
Are you saying the groundnut pyramids in the North was not enough to sustain the North?

Once again, Beaf, may God forgive you! Even the people from the SE cannot support you on this TRUTH!

Yes I can support it because it is the truth.
BEFORE cocoa and groundnuts ever came into the picture, there was OIL PALM which the British companies traded for many years and found it too irresistible that they formed a company around it. That company effectively became Nigeria later. Anyone who does not understand this, knows nothing about Nigeria and why the British are doing what they are doing in Nigeria.

SILAKABUWA:
Nah, no separation!!!  IGBO they romance south-south because of oil, we love south-south too, my brother GEJ,  

lol, this SILAKABUWA character is high on some cheap drug. Stoopid conspiracy theorist.

This SE/SS rapport and oneness is really upsetting some of the old parasites in Nigeria. They are really restless!
chai! Any person from SE/SS must be wondering why these guys are restless.

SW has been working CLOSELY with Hausa/Fulani from 1967. They enjoyed hidden power sharing until Jonathan showed up (by sheer luck), and started to shake things up to favor everybody. Now they are protesting.

Most of Nigeria's oil ONSHORE is in IGBOLAND from Imo/Abia to Rivers. Anambra has over 1 billion barrels of oil untapped. Just for your thieving information.
Now that subsidy is gone for good, maybe we can start tapping it after Orient refinery comes on stream.

SUBSIDY MUST GO!  

@Topic

I hope y'all see why I keep saying that protesters of subsidy are liars and pretenders. The main issues (Nigerians killing Nigerians) are firmly under the carpet, and they want us to protest against a policy that will finally stop their thieving activities. AIN'T HAPPENING FOLKS!

March against mass murder and terror! 

Beaf:
Lol! Thanks dude!
I'm not too good with Igbo, does "Nwanne di na mba" mean, "my stubborn brother?"
Welcome to NL and hope to see you around.

You do have good choices in Onlytruth and ShongorThor. Those guys are strong men indeed, intelligent, totally principled and undeviating from their ideals and the best for us all. I respect both guys.
As you have stated, there are many others too, but it would be wise not to list names, lest any are left out.

"Nwanne di na mba" literally means "a brother found in foreign lands" or a "a brother encountered while living abroad". Means a foreign brother or Neighbor brother.

@Sam_Ikenna
Thanks bro!
We do our best to keep the truth in the front lines always.

I don't blame them. It is in their best interest until everything settles down again. I would want Igbos in the North to return home too until all these calm down.

One_Naira:
I support the bolded. An average Igbo, SE and SS knows this protest is not going to change the mind of the of the politician especially when the protest is about something we experienced and still experiencing.  It is now a national problem and they b1tching about it  .  As a former comment mentioned when SS was protesting and crying where was other Nigerian region, the only other region that stood up for us was SE, now they want us to protest with them? Commot.  When SE was protesting, they were branded as bad by Nigerians, now SE decided not to protest, Na wahalla too. What do they want? Is an Igbo or any other SE or SS protesting going to change the outcome of what happened? I suppose because the scapegoat refused to protest, a new scapegoat has to surface in case things turns sour and they do not want that.  I support Igbo not protesting; I support SE and SS as whole not protesting we want succession, not revolution.  Nigeria is unfixable and every day, Nigeria proves this fact.  Each year new problem surfaces and when that is dealt with, another problem surfaces. It is as easy as ABC, as they say you cannot save a dead man, all you can save is a dying man. Nigeria has corrupted the mind of SE and SS politicians, when Nigeria break apart, our politicians will be dealt with but as for now let us focus on the breaking away part thus SE and SS listen to the old, young and new do not protest.  Listen oo!, don’t get involved at all.

Thank you bros. 
They would NEVER protest over REAL ISSUES. They want to indirectly remove Jonathan. Well, they should do so frontally, lets see what would happen. These p.u.ssy -footing and hiding under fuel subsidy will only deceive foolish people.
My advise continues to be STAY AWAY FROM THESE RALLIES. THEY ARE NOT THE SOLUTION TO OUR PROBLEM IN NIGERIA.

2mch:
I thought SS and SE got this? Maybe SE and one state in SS. That is why history always remembers the SE. Your opinion is not the majority, so i am not going to go where you want to go. I have seen a lot of Igbo's step out and protest against the fuel subsidy. I watached on Channels TV a very brilliant lawyer of Igbo origin give a very good analysis of the situation so Mr. man you are on your own. You and Beaf are the only ones jumping up and down, where the SE is divided on the issue. Know this, no Yoruba will fall for your trap. Everyone should ignore this thread and focus on showing this government that we own Nigeria.

The Nigeria that you used to own is no more my friend. It ended when Jonathan entered. When he is done, you will not recognize it again. Subsidy is GONE FOR GOOD. Live with it.
It's your business what you do with this thread. Mine was to let you know that most of you are dying in your land silently.

2mch:
We are not distracted. Suck balls man. Yoruba's are not like you. We dont have your mentality. There is a focus now. You people can wallow and wait for this failing empire to crash.

You will not see us come out because we are far smarter than y'all can ever be.
There are FUNDAMENTAL problems in Nigeria, and no one is interested in them. What y'all are interested in is some opportunity to topple a man you hated for nothing from day one. YOU WILL NOT SEE A SANE IGBO NEAR THOSE RALLIES.

If you start demonstrating for RESTRUCTURING OF NIGERIA or SNC, you will see us in numbers.
So, carry go.
Meanwhile, I know that this Fulani/Yoruba trouble or Fulani/Others problems will never end in Nigeria. More lives will still be lost tomorrow.
Pathologically dishonest folks.

Here is my take.

For many years now, there have been series of Fulani herdsmen vs others in different parts of Nigeria. In most cases, these skirmishes have led to loss of lives. Each time that happens, it reminds me of the REAL ISSUES in Nigeria. The issues which hypocrites have stoutly refused to address. That is the issue of indigene/Settler conundrums in different parts of Nigeria.
Lives continue to be lost in these conflicts, but I don't see NLC or any other group going out to march.
Boko Haram has been detonating bombs in Northern parts of Nigeria killing many innocent people. I still don't see anybody calling for mass action to stop them/force the government to stop them.

Now, dishonest activists are out there baying for blood over a policy, the impact of which many argue may not be as bad as it is being portrayed. When some of us refuse to support it and insist on a fundamental solution to all the Nigerian problems, those groups call us all sorts of names.

Why not organize a mass action to restructure Nigeria and solve all these nonsense problems which are soluble by simple constitutional amendments? The day y'all will get serious, we will know!

Here I stand!

Okay this is what a commentator said:

DanielJustice

This is an attempt to claim land in Yorubaland, and must be resisted with MAXIMUM FORCE. There is definitely a campaign by the Fulani for more territory in Nigeria, and they are going about it in a very direct fashion. They had better start packing out of Yorubaland. If the Yorubas know what's good for them, they'll send them packing now, or else these people will claim their land and become the "indigenes" as they're doing in Nassarrawa, Benue and Plateau states now!!! Yoruba, shine your eyes. Hopefully, you people are not stupid enough to think that these are just a few angry herdsmen. THIS IS A CAREFULLY PLANNED WAR FOR TERRITORY, AND THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE STUPIDITY OF NIGERIANS FOR ITS SUCCESS.

[size=16pt]Ogun wades into Yoruba/ Fulani killings[/size]

By DAUD OLATUNJI
ABEOKUTA—Ogun State Government yesterday waded into the crisis between Fulani herdsmen and  Yoruba communities in Yewa-North Local Government Area of the state following the recent fracas over grazing rights.

At the meeting, the two warring groups were urged to sheathe their swords and embrace peace.

Skirmishes were said to have occurred in communities like Eggua, Igan-Alade, Igan-Okoto, Igbogila, Imeko, Imala and Iselu towns during which property worth several millions of Naira were reportedly destroyed and unspecified number of people killed.

Present at the meeting  were the Chairman of the Caretaker Committee for Yewa-North Local Government, Kunle Elegbede, Special Adviser to the Governor on Security, Sola Akinduro, representatives of the Commissioner of Police and the State Director of State Security Service, Serikin Fulani of Eggua, Serikin Hausawa of Egbaland, royal

fathers from the warring communities as well as representatives of the herdsmen.

Commissioner for Agriculture, Ayo Olubori, who chaired the meeting, after listening to complaints from both sides, appealed to the warring parties to maintain peace, warning that the state government would not condone any acts of lawlessness.

The Special Adviser revealed that as  former Assistant Commissioner of Police in charge of operations in the state in 2005, he had advised that  all those found  culpable in the disturbances be

made to face the law to serve as a deterrent to others, but the then government decided to ignore the report.

He asked that a particular portion of land be earmarked as grazing zone, stressing that “if we do that no herdsman should be found grazing outside the zone.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/ogun-wades-into-yoruba-fulani-killings/

alj_harem:
who is everyone, you and beaf ?

Who seat at home, or you were in lagos and ekiti abi ?

Yes you are anti-Nigerian. That is a fact !!!!! what the non-sense you are putting up here

Let me help you a little, Alj_harem.

There is A LOT OF LIES in Nigeria, and anytime one of such lie shows up, I fight it to the last.
So, if fighting a lie is tantamount to being anti-Nigeria, then, I am VERY PROUD to be the MOST ANTI-NIGERIAN on earth.  

alj_harem:
Very wrong. the Nigerian especially the SWerners and Middlebelt were the ones that made Jonathan the president. Not because he is a "minority" or whatever you people call you neighbours but because they all supported the rule of law regardless of ethnicity or race.

Now what you are doing is throwing that hand or openness back at their faces

SE, SS and NC made Jonathan president. FACT.  

alj_harem:
Nope it is good to support someone you believe in. Heck the SW and Middle belt voted for Jonathan so who am I.

I am tell you people especially You eze ndigbo of nairaland to stop tribalism the issue of fuel subsidy like Beaf is doing.

Reason for my statement is because it is seen as anti-Nigerian. I don't want to believe that you are anti-Nigerian so rather it is better to even be a neutral than support beaf with his bigotry by calling Beroms, yorubas, hausa, fulanis, Idomas, Nupes, Kanuri, Bini, Igala, Tiv, etc as Parasites

thanks

@first bolded, SW did not vote Jona. Everybody knows that. They sat home.
@second bolded, I am not anti-Nigeria. I am PRO-Truth. 

2mch:
Was it not you, Ezeuche and gang insulting ND people, and talking about how much you will like to get even for what they did to you in Biafra a few months ago? You must be enjoying Bros Jona's misery.

Of course it was not me. It could NEVER be me because I know the enemies of Eastern Nigeria.
Jona's "crime" is that he is Ijaw and dared to win a presidential election in Nigeria. So, you and your Northern masters are restless. Well, welcome to NEW Nigeria.  

Jona na awa man.  

alj_harem:
Igbo nairaland STOP SUPPORTING CORRUPTION

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. Must you always tribalise things ?

I really hope you people would not do something you would regret. Enff said

Like supporting bro Jona?
We no go regret that one o. 

paragonpro:
Beaf,
You are just arguing for the sake of defending Jonathan no matter what. I am also from the niger delta but I see no difference between OBJ, Yar adua, Shagari or even the Military jauntas in between. Jonathan has not brought anything new, we have been hearing of removal of subsidy, privatization, liberalization, generation of so many MW of electricity, etc, since IBB days. So believe me subsidy removal policy is not a masterstroke as you want us to believe.

You are also deaf to the other side's reasoning, what we are saying Is;
1. Stop corruption or at least reduce corruption within the oil industry, then we can actually know what the actual subsidy is and then discuss its removal or not.

The government has no business in the oil industry to start with. History teaches us that Nigerian oil industry (with government) has been a corruption cesspit which certain parts of Nigeria have exploited maximally.
Government needs to focus only on the environmental and tax aspect of that industry, nothing more.

2. Have proper laws governing the petroleum industries so we can know who is responsible for what in the oil industry.

Again government cannot do that if it has DIRECT business (NNPC et al) in the oil industry. It is called conflict of interest = corruption = inefficiency = poverty of Nigerians

3. Put in place necessary structures like alternative transportation means, adequate power and alternative energy sources before you deregulate fully.

On the argument that people should hold their local and state government accountable, you choose to forget that we are operating a unitary system, the federal government control the police, electric power, petroleum and mineral resources, almost everything. The feds determines if and when you will enter University. In fact asking people to hold local governments is a joke, the local governments are just errant boys of the state governments, they get their funds from the state and are appointed and sacked at will by the governors.

I read somewhere that a law is coming up to strip the governors of immunity. I would like to think that the fed govt is trying to plug the holes to make sure that governors don't continue milking us dry after collecting more money which accrue from subsidy withdrawal.

I hope this makes you feel better.  

@Topic

I am very happy that folks from SS/SE did not allow the voice of dubious NL activists to hoodwink us over this issue.
Una do very well.

@FACE

Please contact me when you can at ezendigbo_nl@hushmail.com
Your performance here is simply brilliant. I need smart folks in my "cabinet". 

If you can, please register at hushmail, and use the email to contact me.
Anyi ga enwe ihu na ihu otu ubochi. 

Aigbofa:
Were they also trying to topple Obasanjo? Don't be paranoid.

You and I know that Obasanjo is part of them ("owners of Nigeria".
GEJ ain't.

Aigbofa:
LMAO! How I wish the government will reinstate the subsidy all over Nigeria except the SE, so I can see your "I dey kampe" face. Abi na "siddon look" face?

We have seen far worse in Nigeria. You are welcome to try.

Our problem in Nigeria is very different. I thank God that GEJ is actually headed in the direction of a possible solution to all those problems.

The whole of SS should also stay away from these rallies, but I cannot talk for non-Igbo parts of SS.
So, I stick to my advise to all Igbo to avoid these rallies. Don't be caught dead near any one of them.

Majority of the anger against GEJ online has very little to do with subsidy.
The "owners of Nigeria" want to topple him. They can go ahead and try, let's see what comes out of that.

alj_harem:
Yes Onlytruth I have always advocated for the removal of fuel subsidy but THE TIMING IS WRONG !!!!

there are no refineries

there are no cut backs in government expenditure

there are no cut backs in ASO rock expenditure

and yet the FG is trying to justify the removal of the subsidy now of all times. Haba that is very wrong. Onlytruth that is what we are fighting for , That is what we are protesting for.

Okay then, protest peacefully and go home sans Igbo people. Make sure you dodge the bullets from trigger happy Nigerian policemen.
Any Igbo man/woman who dies in one of these idiiotic "occupy" rallies is a foool.
Our problem in Nigeria is different. Thank you.

Okay guys, I know it is in the Nigerian constitution, but PDP could have amended it to remove that.

@Alj_Harem, you know I'm speaking the truth.
This subsidy thing will go whether now or in the future. So why take out the fury on GEJ?

mikeansy:
Triming the cabinet will be a good start!

e.g. why do we have Commerce and Industry Minister, Minister for Agric, Minister for Water all exiting differently?

One Business Minister can cater for all these ministries. Thats just a thought.

Mikeansy, I would share a little food for thought for your enjoyment/information.
In my town, there are these three villages we use for certain proverb illustration. Let's just call them villages A, B, and C, respectively.
We say that when one is at town A, but wants to get to town C, he/she cannot stop at B and say he went to C.
The journey must be complete, from A to B and then C.

I have noticed that you have been distancing yourself from Jonathan/PDP lately, and have been making statements uncharacteristic of a PDP man.  
Do you know, for instance, that the ministers are representatives (per quota system) of the 36 states of the federation? You talk as if GEJ administration just woke up to appoint all those ministers by whims. No my brother, it ain't so. They are working with the PDP constitution.

I personally do not believe in quota system/federal character. That is why I am not a PDP man.
If you want to criticize GEJ, let is be total and complete. Repudiate and drop PDP and all its ways as well. And don't stop there; endorse another party.  

I am an APGA man.  

That is why I say that those who criticize this policy are not sincere. Jonathan's crime, to them, is that he dared to win the presidential elections (as a minority from SS). Subsidy imbroglio is a pretext to vent their innermost anti-Jonathan sentiments.
That is why I am not supporting this protest one bit.  

afam4eva:
@ bluetooth and Al_harem
The sooner we started telling ourselves the truth, the better for us. You want to tell me that you see nothing wrong in the Yorubas, who were in the 60s on the same page as the igbos concerning the threat from the north withdrawing at the last minute to support what they hated so much. What pains many igbos today is that the yorubas were fully involved and even took the lead in a plot to exterminate the Igbos. This can be seen from [size=16pt]the statement made by Adekunle (1967) which is similar to the one made by My Adegoke in 2011[/size]. Awowolo's starvatiion policy also comes to mind.

We're not saying that Igbos are saints. Far from it. We're just asking that some people be true to themselves and fight for what they believe in to the latter.

The bolded summarizes everything.
Ndigbo, onye obula murukwa anya o. 

Luckily for us, the maker of the statement is not some faceless jobless bitter Nairalander. This one is from the creme de la creme of a section of Nigeria.
Ignore it at your own peril.

Why not add "General" Rossik? lmao.

So, I guess it wasn't a lie afterall. Well, it is good that he retracted the statement.
Still eye popping, though I'm not personally shocked.
I've seen worse statements here on Nairaland.

[size=16pt]Kunle Adegoke Apologizes To Ndigbo For Internet Statement[/size]
12/23/11

Below is an apology to Ndigbo from Kunle Adegoke with respect to tribal backlash and threats emanating from forum comment he made in anger in response to what he saw as ethnic attacks on Yorubas by a group of Igbos. He said people have been calling and threatening him mostly from the Diaspora with regards to his forum post. He says the statement was made in anger and from the bottom of his heart, sincerely apologizes to Ndigbo.

BELOW IS ADEGOKE'S EMAIL TO MASTERWEB REPORTS AFTER HIS PHONE CHAT WITH US


Sir,

I am forwarding this to buttress the fact that i do not have anything against an average igbo man or woman. The stand maintained by the man 'Africa Today' as shown below is a testimony to the fact that all he is concerned with is just to cause war by a campaign of ethnic irredentism. I do not think that is what we need.

Kindly help publish as you may consider appropriate.

Merry xmas in advance.

Kunle Adegoke
Solicitor & Advocate of the Supreme Court of Nigeria
+234 8023337003

_______________________________

BELOW IS ADEGOKE'S APOLOGY-POSTING ON NIGERIAN & IGBO FORUMS (FORA)

From: kunle adegoke sultanadegoke@yahoo.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2011, 20:26
Subject: Re: GENOCIDE PREACHERS - VAL OJO, AFIS, BOLAJI ALUKO AND KUNLE ADEGOKE APOLOGY

*Note: "Africa Today" is an alias or business name used by one of the Igbo forumnites that Adegoke got entangled with that resulted to his anger-post.

Africa Today,

THIS APOLOGY IS SERIOUS AND NOT A FLY BYE.

I WAS THINKING THAT MY OFFENSIVE POSTING WAS ONE OF THOSE ANGRY RIPOSTES THAT HAD DOMINATED DISCUSSIONS ON SEVERAL FORA HERE TO WHICH NO SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES WERE MEANT TO BE ATTACHED.

BUT YOU SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO JUSTIFY YOUR MINDSET THAT YORUBAS HATE IGBO. I KNEW I FELL INTO YOUR TRAP CHEAPLY BUT I DO NOT WANT UNNECESSARY WAR ONLY BORNE OUT OF HATRED NURSED BY A DANGEROUS FEW.

WHILE YOUR IDENTITY IS STILL WRAPPED IN MASKS, I BELIEVE THE NEED FOR UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD AND PEACE TRANSCENDS IMMEDIATE ESTABLISHMENT OF IDENTITIES. LET US STOP THIS CALL FOR ETHNIC VIGILANCE AS IGBO'S INVESTMENTS IN LAGOS BENEFIT EVERYONE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE LAGOS CABINET EVEN ACCOMMODATES IGBO REPRESENTATION.

TO ALL, ONCE AGAIN, LET US MOVE FORWARD AND RATHER ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS CONFRONTING US AS A PEOPLE. A POOR MAN IN KANO IS A POOR MAN IN CALABAR, ENUGU, ABUJA AND OSOGBO. LET THE SPIRIT OF YULETUDE MINISTER PEACE UNTO OUR HEARTS AND NOT HATRED. AFRICA TODAY, LET US STOP THE ETHNIC IRREDENTIST CAMPAIGNS AND ADDRESS A COMMON FUTURE.

THANK YOU AND HAPPY XMAS.

Kunle Adegoke
Solicitor & Advocate of the Supreme Court of Nigeria
+234 8023337003

_______________________________

Article Source: Masterweb Reports

http://nigeriamasterweb.com/blog/index.php/2011/12/23/nigeria-kunle-adegoke-apologizes-to-ndigbo-for-internet-statement

lol, Alj_Harem:

Original ethnicity: Kanuri (Borno state)
Ethnicity most of the time: Awori (Lagos)
Ethnicity when trying to undermine Igbos from within : Igbo (Anambra)
Ethnicity when trying to steal oil from SS: Ijaw (Bayelsa state)


"A man who wears dark glasses in the night, is my idea of a criminal"

Onlytruth. 

Let me predict what will happen: NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING. QED.
Next topic!

alj_harem:
"Your people" are my people. "My people" are "your people".

"Your people" are business men and travellers, and also according to nairaland, that are the highest population in each state apart from the indigene. If so then we can say your people would be the most hit can't we.

If I see "your people" suffering on the streets, do you think the alj harem of nairaland would be so bigoted/ callous to let them be ?

In my life, lots of "your people" have helped me in various occassion thus I view myself as one of "your people".

Onlytruth, you don't understand how angry I am right now on this subsidy thing.

I cannot buy fuel to my generator because it is 141 naira/liter. i use 10 -12 liters very night to sleep and now it has increased to 1500 naira .

Serves you right. Maybe you'd post less mischievous lies on Nairaland.