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He was a gentle man who came across as having a good heart. The cabal didn't allow us to know the real Umaru though.

Somehow though, he had more presidential swagger than Jonathan (though Jonathan can always improve), was

definitely more respectable in appearance than the "Inoki" (gorilla) from Ota. I was not ashamed anytime he appeared

on international TV with other leaders (except when he started loosing weight fast).

Overall, he was a decent fellow. Could have still been alive if not for the demands of office.

May his soul rest in peace.

My analogy is for human beings, not jackals and dogs. Any human would at least understand that they have no idea how intelligent Igbos feel about Nigeria.
Ojukwu has been consistently smart and wise through the years. I didn't understand him when he returned from Ivory Coast and joined NPN (was too young to understand Nigerian politics). Through the years, I took time to study him and Nigeria. His position on Nigeria is abundantly clear to me now.
Above all, he is a man of honor -someone who understands and abides by agreements and covenants. You cannot be a good leader if you renege on agreements. When it comes to keeping agreements, IBB is light years ahead of Obasanjo. So, if he agrees to institute true federalism leading to things like state police, and if he abolishes quota system and federal character, if he fixes federal roads long neglected in the south east and builds that second Niger bridge; then , he would have achieved the same thing an Igbo president will achieve. He has everything he needs to be able to deliver. IBB is power in Nigeria. If he works with us, we will vote for him. I'm sure others are scheming for the same thing. We don't owe these hypocrites any loyalty or explanations for our support of IBB.

SapeleGuy:
Only in this country will an Attorney General reject evidence and rule of law in favour of public opinion.

http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/18788/1/ribaduwell-be-guided-by-public-opinion-agf.html

It is called Nigerian politics 101 with Obasanjo as the conductor is this evil orchestra. Jail your political enemy for stealing N50. Free your political ally even if he stole N1 billion.

Katsumoto:
I am sorry but that was unusually devoid of intellect. Did IBB's cake sharing formula not only enrich him and his cronies? It seems that you only recognise injustice when it is directed at Ndigbo.

Most of your people are still denying the injustice meted out to easterners during and after the war.
Y'know, there was a time I was for universal justice and fair play in Nigeria ( a part of me still wants that if possible ), but Nigeria's history post 1970 has shown Nigeria incapable of such justice and fair play. It's just that we are in a public forum, but I would still say that most of you guys don't know how some Igbos (especially intelligent ones) feel about Nigeria and groups within Nigeria. 'Cos if you do, you won't even be here making careless statements.
Let me give you an analogy:

You are a man with 6 wives, 21 sons and 17 daughters. One day, a neighbor comes into your house, kills 20 of your sons, forcefully take all your daughters, despoil all six wives and impregnated them, and then warns you to bring the children when they are born or else they will take the wives as well. Guess what, after you surrendered the illegitimate children, they still took your wives leaving you with only one son.
I deliberately left out money or land from this hypothetical scenario for simplicity.

Meanwhile the vandal now tells you that you should be grateful for preserving the life of your remaining son, and giving him federal appointments. Your oppressor has about 100 children, and 10 wives. You have no wife and only one son whose life is always threatened whenever you demand fair play.

If you were that man, what would you do?

Believe me I have seen more foolishness from Igbo commentators here than from any other tribes. My peoples idiocy is amazing and depressing.

Thank God for Ojukwu.

The Joe Igbokwe character is a comprehensive idiot who cannot see his own navel. He is suffering from the worst kind of hypermetropia. He failed to see that IBB's greatest supporters are among those who make the most anti-IBB noise.

People like him remind me of the crushing downsides of the so-called Igbo republicansm. A complete fuul gets to talk without fear of having their tongues yanked out of their miserable stinking buccal cavity!

Katsumoto:
That is plainly speculative; we do not know what might have happened. What if Ogundipe took over and was still killed months later by Murtala, Danjuma, and Adamu? Also, see why I state that your argument is disjointed. In one minute, you argue that war would have been avoided if Ogundipe got to rule and then you state this

You cannot honestly argue that honour and courage is the preserve of solely the Igbo. We have facts and evidence to the contrary. There are noble Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men as there are corrupt Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men. As long as you continue to argue that the Igbo are the only honourable people in Nigeria, you continue to sound like a deluded bigot.

Yes Ojukwu stood with honor and courage when he chose to defend his people but when push came to shove, that honour and courage you so talked about, vanished.

There are levels of honor and courage. Of course it would be glib to say that there are no honorable and courageous people of other tribes. However, there is a tipping point for everything. Your courage and honor is useless when you cannot, or will not use them at the most decisive moment. All the so-called Nigerian war heroes fought against a nearly unarmed Biafra. Where is their courage in Bakassi against an armed Cameroun? I just gave one example.

Ojukwu is a rare breed (if you like). Only Gideon Okar and his crew come close in term of that type of courage.

Like I said, Ojukwu has played his role. He doesn't owe Nigeria anymore.

Dominoifet:
@Chosen04

The first report of original post was without a source. To me its not valid. I only consider the link I pasted in my post and my arguement is within that context. I didn't start posting until I got that, so I won't compare.

Speaking about emptiness we all have it. it is this concept that gave birth to hope, faith, trust, confidence, courage etc, so that continued existence is guaranteed.

I believe Ojukwu is a great man, but in my purview I believe the Heroic Ojukwu knonw to his pple before the war and during the war, died in 1970 after the war. Almost all his pple don't know that. It is this  side they choose to see but that seems his dead part

But life goes on so long we have the breath, so he sublimate his remaining energy to politics(ref NPN and Abacha) its a personal thing. 

The era of seeking a Biafra by Ojukwu is gone. He has woken from that and has decided to move on with his military colleges, howbeit a wrong association.

I think the part of him that died was his belief in Nigerian citizens of other tribes' ability to pursue integrity and honor (especially Yoruba and Hausa). It takes honor and courage to stand with the truth even when others conspire and manipulate the truth to gain the upper hand.
Otherwise, he is still the same lion heart and a man of great wisdom.

Katsumoto:
This is where your argument becomes delusional, infantile, and disjointed. Did Ojukwu fight the civil war because Gowon took over instead of Ogundipe? Stop twisting facts to suit your twisted logic; it is pathetic and removes considerably from some valid points you may make. The information is out there and we all know why Ojukwu and the Biafrans had to fight but do not pull wool over our eyes by claiming it was for altruistic reasons.

If Ogundipe took over, do you think Nigeria would have fought a civil war? Be honest. When half baked and unqualified elements took over after Ironsi's death, they could not (cos they didn't know how ) manage the situation. The rest is history.

But the most important question is, does Ojukwu owe Nigeria any political activism today after his history in Nigeria? NO.
He acted in his day. If you don't like IBB, go stop him and leave us out of it. He will "win" next year.

Katsumoto:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OnlyTruth is difficult to understand.

Is Nigeria easy to understand? Be frank. Please explain Nigeria to me?

Explain how a country can be the most endowed in terms of oil and gas in Africa and yet the one without electricity.
Explain how Nigeria has the smartest people in Africa, yet is being run by the least intelligent
Explain how a country can have money in external reserves and yet borrow.
Explain how a thief who wasted 8 years of a civilian democracy, tried and failed to become life president, but is today still calling the shots.

I can reel out about 100 things about Nigeria that defy logic, but what is the point?
To logically prognosticate for Nigeria is my idea of ultimate lunacy.

It was so simple to say to a lieutenant colonel Yakubu Gowon to stay away from Nigeria's leadership position because there was a Brigadier Ogundipe and many other senior officers to take over the leadership of Nigeria in 1966. Guess what happened, the only person who stood firm to demand propriety and decorum and seniority was instead mysteriously dubbed a "hot head" and a "rebel". 3 million innocent people died as a result.

Today, the same people who took Nigeria off course still hold sway; and folks are here asking the loser in 1966 to stop them today.

I'm beginning to worry about the IQ of the average Nigerian youth.
Ojukwu is Nigeria's history personified. He is like a living encyclopedia. He knows that we still have a long way to go.
He would be a fool to repeat the "mistake" of 1966.
If IBB wants to rule, the best we can do as Igbo is to extract as much concession from him as possible. Knowing Ojukwu and his sleepless nights over Igbo problems in Nigeria, I believe that those concessions must have been extracted from IBB, hence his position on state police and quota system.

You don't have to understand me.

I have also noticed how POWERFUL a group can be if they are not really seeking to rule Nigeria. I think that Igbos should abandon Nigerian leadership quest to free them up for the real game in Nigeria. We can then decide who gets there and who doesn't. One day, Nigeria will come begging us to produce the president. That day has not come yet, but we can make hay deciding who rules and who doesn't. Ojukwu doesn't owe Nigeria anything. He did his best in his day.

As I was saying. IBB will win if he is really interested. I don't know any other Nigerian with his type of power and influence in Nigeria. The man is simply too powerful. So he will "win".
If Ojukwu can extract some concessions from him, so be it. Ndigbo are NOT interested in VP or even presidency. We need things which actually impact our lives, example, state police (for security), removing quota system, federal roads in the east need fixing, and many such real things.

If we can get those, it is enough for us.

It is impossible for ordinary folks to understand Ojukwu on this issue. I'll try one more time.

Those who own Nigeria still alive:

(1) Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida
(2) Olusegun Obasanjo
(3) Theophilus Danjuma

Those who own Nigeria who have died now:

(1) Shehu Musa Yar adua
(2) Sani Abacha
(3) Murtala Muhammed


Fraud No 1

In 1979, then General Olusegun Obasanjo was the military leader. He conducted elections and rigged a northerner named Alhaji Shehu Shagari into office ahead of more popular candidates Obafemi Awolowo and Nnamdi Azikiwe.
Obasanjo sealed Nigeria's fate until December 31st 1983 when Sani Abacha and Babangida overthrew the civilian government and installed Muhammadu Buhari and Tunde Idiagbon.


Fraud No 2

In 1993, the General Ibrahim Babangida canceled an election won by MKO Abiola. Some say he executed a northern plot, while others say he had personal quarrel with Abiola. Bottomline is that he single handedly changed Nigeria's history. He would eventually step aside for his old buddy Sani Abacha. We know the rest of Abacha's story.



Fraud No 3

Ibrahim Babandiga while working with Abdulsalami Abubakar rescued their old buddy Obasanjo from death row. Dusts him up and rigged him in as Nigeria's civilian president (the first time an ex-soldier would lead as civilian president). They empower him in office with the help of Theophilus Danjuma (Obasanjos defense minister) and Rtrd, Gen Muhammed Aliyu Gusau (Obasanjo's national security adviser). Obasanjo goes on to rule Nigeria for 8 years with nothing to show.

Fraud No 4

Obasanjo dusts up the brother to his old buddy Shehu Musa Yar Adua (Umaru Musa Yar Adua) and imposed him on PDP as flag bearer, and goes further to rig him in as Nigeria's president. Today Yar Adua is sick, and his vice is acting for him.


Folks that is where we've been and were we are today.

Pray, from 1970 till date, does anyone see any other forces at play?
When Babangida said that the youths of Nigeria is not ready for leadership, what do you think he meant? I think he meant that Nigeria's youth is deluded and irresponsible. They are cowards who talk more than act. They expect a man who stood up and fought at a time when he was younger than most of them to still fight for them today.
This story is longer than this, but the summary of it is that Ojukwu is NOT in a position to stop IBB. The least he could do is to extract as much commitments and concessions as possible on behalf of the Igbo. He fought mediocrity in the Nigerian army and leadership; his efforts was misunderstood and it led to a civil war. Ojukwu will not repeat that mistake.

If IBB must rule (which is actually the case no matter how deluded folks are here), then so be it. If you have the courage and wherewithal to stop him, leave nairaland and go do it. Stop insulting folks who achieved far more than you could ever dream of in your miserable life.


THE ULTIMATE TRUTH.

basktmout:
Ojukwu is just being a politician in the political jungle. Afterall Obasanjo himself supported IBB two weeks ago, before condeming his candidacy two days ago.

Thank you my brother for reminding them. They suffer from "convenient memory syndrome".

violent:
I think i ve overestimated your intelligence when i called you a dimwit.  You sir, are too daft to be called a goat.

I don't understand politics and yet, you are the half brained, who sees everything from a myopic ethnic point of view----soooo pathetic.

One would wonder if we might ever witness any generation where people will stand up not because of which tribe or race they belong, but because they simply are Nigerians and the future of generations unborn is at stake.

The dimwits we have been unfortunately blessed with, as neighbors, and fellow Nigerians, are comfortable as long as it is an Ndigbo that is in power, not withstanding if the so called Ndigbo is a rogue, to them, "its okay, he's our son"


Damn pathetic!

Whatever !.

@TewMuch

Don't tell me you've given up.

I will list a few:


Federal Environmental Protection Agency (FEPA)
National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA)
State Security Services (SSS)
National Directorate of Employment (NDE)
National War College (Currently going by a different name I can't remember).
I believe the Nigerian Civil Defense Corp was also formed during his era.
He also moved the capital to Abuja ( you may not agree but it needed huge expenditures)
National Elections Commission -NEC which metamorphosed into INEC (which replaced FEDECO).

There are many many others.

The third mainland bridge is there and solving major transportation problems in Lagos. It used to be hell going into Lagos Island and Ikoyi before that bridge.

IBB organised the best elections in Nigerian history. Obasanjo organised the worst election in the WHOLE WORLD.

TewMuch:
Compare both their regimes please. With facts and figures or else you will have to change your NL name to something more fitting. Lets stick to the arguments. thanks.

I can close my eyes now and name at least five solid national "institutions" created by IBB which still play critical role in the Nigerian nation today. I can't even name ONE of Obasanjos. IBB tried his best. He used the best technocrats we had at the time to try fixing the country's problems.

TewMuch:

you vehemently refuse to accept the truth and try to explain it away. Whatever benefits IBB got as president was passed down from OBJ's regime was it not? And he even managed to bleep that up as well. How many billions of $$$ did IBB steal as a result? So because Fela was accusing his own brother's as a way to wake up their conscience you conclude they were the only ones that stole? Since you brought up comparing the both of them, please do so objectively. Every leader in Nigeria has stolen, but IBB's theft is in a different league. He crippled Nigeria, and continued through Abacha. His theft was astronomical.

How much did Obasanjo steal? In one department alone (electricity) we lost $16 billion to Obasanjo and his gang of thieves. In road construction, we lost N300 billion. No one knows how much OBJ stole, which is part of why he is desperate to pick a president who will help cover his tracks.

Ol boy, the day alarm go blow for OBJ, all you his supporters will faint.  

dayokanu:
http://odili.net/news/source/2010/may/3/505.html

Yes! He supports IBB. (Really)Why shouldn't he?

To indulge your feelings? lmfao!

TewMuch:
You are being thoroughly subjective in your argument. If you are gonna compare regime's, c[b]ompare the both of thems military regime.[/b] IBB started the downward spiral that OBJ had to deal with in the democratic regime. Before OBJ came back into power, Abacha ruled. I hope you remember this? So until you can compare the both of thems military regime's then you have an argument. Also, compare all those regime's after IBB to OBJ's 8 years with respect to their accomplishments.

Even if I compare the two military regimes, Obasanjo still enjoyed a better oil boom in the 70s than IBB did in the 80s and early 90s. What did Obasanjo do with the money, he organized FESTAC and ITT where Fela said he (OBJ) and Abiola stole our money. So what are we talking about?

TewMuch:
I know you may be  driven by your cause but OBJ did a lot while in office. A lot more than other presidents. He got the opportunity to continue a good job, and s[b]trongly supported Jonathan to where he risked his life[/b]. The debt that got settled when he was in office accounts for nothing? Nigeria was on the path of living on aid from international bodies. OBJ did a lot under the circumstances. He did not need to employ Igbo's or need their help, he appointed them because they were qualified for the job. He also obviously wanted an inclusive government. He could have easily appointed Yoruba's in those positions. This just shows you that Yoruba's are more fair than other's in their dealings, and practically it is a weakness because the other tribes do not operate the same way.

I just want you to understand one more point. IBB was the president of Nigeria at a time one barrel of oil was selling for between $10 and $15 per barrel. In the gulf war "oil boom" which lasted only a few months, oil sold for about $40 per barrel.
Now compare that to an Obasanjo era (8 whole years!) when oil averaged about $80 per barrel.  Pray, how do you even begin to compare the two?
IBB was even able to keep the Naira at about N12 -N20 (If I'm not mistaken) in those horrible income scenario. Compare that to Obasanjo era which saw our money plummet to N180 and then settled at N150 per $1.

How did IBB build the third mainland bridge (the IBB bridge)? What did Obasanjo build in 8 years of oil boom?

IBB did his best. He was unlucky. Let's keep things in proper perspective.

TewMuch:
Only after he got to the AG position. Let us be truthful here.
I have taken a close look at his advisory team and it is pretty much even, so i dont know which other team you are talking about.

Take another close look.
But, like I said already, we Ndigbo are in no position to stop IBB (and we have no reason to want to stop him ). But, we are first and foremost a people who honor and believe in agreements. That is why our pre-war chant was "On Aburi we stand".
There is a PDP zoning formula which is still very much in force. Current government is a product of that zoning formula. I believe it will continue next year.

TewMuch:
Do you really believe what you posted? Look at the facts of their regimes. Am not even asking you to look at OBJ's democratic oh, both of them's military regime's and judge for yourself. Despite the ills that OBJ may have been involved in, he employed the most IGBO's in key positions in this country ever. You have got to give him that. And he brought in good representatives of the Igbo's that people had never heard of before. OBJ has done wrong as well, but i think right now he is on the right path and is really trying to give Nigerian's a chance. He is not necessarily asking for a southerner as president, he wants the people to be able to elect their own president fairly. That is my opinion. You say he is directing Jonathan, well Jonathan has been doing a fantastic job so far. If he is the puppet master, i dont mind  that at all.

The main question is why didn't OBJ do those things himself when he was in office? Why does he need a puppet from the East to do what he failed to do in office?

I'm happy that Jonathan is doing his best (I get his reviews from home), but I also fear for him, especially since the north still want power back next year.

OBJ did not do anything special for the Igbo. I don't even think he did more for the Igbo than IBB in his days. The appointments were not special favors but OBJ trying desperately to leave some legacy (most of his Igbo appointments was during his second term), because he failed to deliver with other people for years. He did it for selfish reasons.

TewMuch:
I was just trying to understand your picture, and how it relates to the topic. It really really contradicts your topic and shows Ojukwu made a very very wrong decision associating with IBB. As it only sets him up. Until you move on from 1967 and demand a free and fair election, Igbo's will not get to be president. The thing you do not know is that there are people with very independent minds from other tribes. People generally will elect a fit candidate under the right circumstances. Embracing a new Nigeria that is fair and just will only benefit you. Supporting IBB will bring nothing. He Still needs the Yoruba support. About your population, where did you get this data? There has never been a true and thorough census taken in Nigeria before. You may be suprised on which silent tribe has more than that population.  

The moment IBB threw his hat into the ring for next year's elections, cold calculations began. By that I mean the "whether you like it or not" situation analysis and scenario examinations, began.

If IBB wants to be president of Nigeria, Ndigbo are NOT in a position to stop him. And I believe the same applies to the Yoruba, which is why you find key Yoruba leaders supporting IBB's candidacy.
Ndigbo already tried once to stop another northerner from assuming a post for which he was not qualified. It led to the death of 2 million Easterners.
It won't happen again.
If IBB wants to rule, he is wlecome. Afterall, what is the difference between him and Obasanjo?

All other candidates are not up to par in clout. Simple truth.

TewMuch:
Yeah o.k, whatever works for you and however you will get there is up to you. But these are the same Igbo leaders that never spoke up or went to meet Jonathan to show support for him. I dont think the SS people will forget this. Please google and verify this claim. The Igbo elders cancelled their meeting with Jonathan because they felt that it did not sit right with the Northerners. Every other group threw their support behind Jonathan, and Jonathan is now acting as president. This is why i will say goodluck to you on joining the SS, people do not forget.

Have you taken a close look at the members of the Jonathan presidential advisory team? Take a close look and you would see that Igbo are almost the most in number there.
Frankly, if not for the PDP zoning arrangement (there is something intrinsically immoral about failing to honor gentlemen agreement), Jonathan would have received maximum support from the East. He still does, afterall MASSOB is openly backing him. But, the PDP zoning ties our hands. Jonathan is an honorable man. It doesn't make sense to goad him along to dishonor simple agreements. Obasanjo is trying to lead him to untimely death.

TewMuch:
Yah! sure you would not want us to see the real meaning behind the picture. you put up a picture that is 40 yrs old, and ask use to see what you want us to see ( the more we look the less we see). It only shows that Ojukwu is trying to join a league of plotters. Ojukwu has betrayed these group of men before in a big way, they will just laugh and use him because they will never ever trust his motives. Ojukwu is better off fighting for liberation from the old heads and being a true leader.
LOL, and it is Ojukwu that IBB will trust as an ally? I wish you the best. IBB stands nothing to gain by giving Ojukwu his wish, he benefits more from a united Nigeria. He will not trust Ojukwu because Ojukwu has shown himself in the past, and everyone knows where he stands. He will only use Ojukwu and dump him. If a northerner becomes president, a south south person will still be his vice. The next time, its going to be a SS president. Mark my words. Just watch and see.

And you pretended earlier to be puzzled by the picture

So, chill my friend, your period of PAIN in Nigeria will be long.

Ojukwu will continue to correct all the mistakes he made in 1967.

Ndigbo are trying to survive in Nigeria, so the last thing on our mind is the presidency. Though we can help (with our number-50 million of us) determine how things work in Nigeria. That, no one can take away from us. The politics of the future is quite interesting.

~Bluetooth:
i wouldnt dispute the picture since you cant confirm its source.it could be a photo-shop.the end of the conspiracy is already here but[b] you refuse to notice and that rejecting ibb's candidacy is the key to ending such[/b].

Let me respond to you at least for the sake of others.

No my friend, it is NOT the key.

The north wants power back, right? The north control the military, right? Obasanjo is the only southerner the north have ever trusted with power, right?

So, how did all these start? How come one region is that powerful in Nigeria?

Answer: 1967 -70 civil war.

True change can only start in Nigeria after we have revisited that era to properly sort things out (properly address issues thrown up by that era). Else, the end is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy out of sight.

These guys feel that they saved Nigeria in 1967, and therefore own it. They actually killed and destroyed Nigeria in 1967-70.

TewMuch:
OnlyTruth,
And what is the point you are trying to pass across with the picture? The fact that they play draft together doesnt mean they are bosom buddies. This pic was taken in 1970 right? That was how many years ago? 40yrs? I dont get the point you are trying to make, this conclusion is very weak. Association by picture? And is this the same OBJ  that is speaking against IBB? The pic is very very contradictory, and doesnt make sense in the cause you are fighting for. If we apply it to your cause[b] it only means IBB, OBJ and Danjuma are plotting against everyone else[/b]. You think this club will be so quick to accept Ojukwu? Am thinking they will use him instead, so your argument for Ojukwu's association with IBB is already a very failed argument as he stands to gain nothing. Will also like to know the background info on the pic, if you are really OnlyTruth.

My friend it is a game called "the more you look, the less you see if you keep looking at the wrong things".

A picture, they say, is worth more than a thousand words.

Ojukwu is NOT trying to join them. He fought them for 3 years in a brutal war, remember? He understands them and understand what they want in Nigeria. He is steering Igbo away from colliding with these guys. He learned a very important lesson in 1967. He won't repeat that mistake again.

Right now, Ojukwu's main concern is that Ndigbo survive in Nigeria. If IBB will help ensure that, so be it!

Sonofpeace:
How did you get the pic(source)?

It has been widely available online for many years. I believe I saw it for the first time about 8 years ago.

I got this copy from nairaland. I can't remember the thread now.

Sonofpeace:
Is the picture REAL?

The picture is very REAL. It was not doctored in any way.

Princemuba:
Oh so the picture is real,  Why will i believe such a pics when it is posted by an Ibo man and no Ibo man is in the pic,  I can imagine maybe the newspaper company is also from the East, Oh Naija guys stop being sentimental and lets lift this country to the higher level rather can do some silly pranks here,  IBB,  No Way in 2011 and forever in Nigeria

The picture is real. It is even self evident. Believe me sentiment is the last thing on Ojukwu's mind. This is cold calculation. Nigeria has been all about cold calculation since 1970; I doubt it would change soon.

If it was good for Obasanjo to come back as civilian president (after ruling as a military man for 3 years) and rule for 8 years, why not IBB?

Assuming Ojukwu, or Igbo people are opposed to an IBB presidency, can he or Ndigbo do anything about it? NO!

So, why do you expect us to dream of nirvana in the jungle?

The day the conspiracy and treachery stops, is the day we hit the reset button and only then can your dreams come true. I doubt that time has come. We still have some ways to go.