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ifeness: I do not believe the bible stories. How could all animals( including butterflies,ants,crocodiles,elephants,) fit into an ark? At the end of the flood,Noah ended up sacrificing a lamb he saved from flood to yahweh again. Dump stories! There is no Satan!

you forgot the carnivorous dinosaurs that devours anything and everything in their path

the only hope for those in hell is that they will be transferred from hell to lake of fire, that burns with sulphur, where they shall "enjoy" eternity

some musics are not even good for atheists.
Only listen to music that adds goodness to your life. At times when i listen to some lyrics, i get disappointed. But there are some "secular" musics that motivate you, those are great both for atheists and theists.

striktlymi: Don't want to go into this argument cause it will lead nowhere...

I contend that i have all genetic evidence that proves this fact, let me leave you with this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw

i have not really read the whole post, 1 and 2. when i do and understand what the post is all about, i will reply in full.

Evil Brain: Guy, what are you saying? Are you actually buying this bullshít? Räping children is a disgusting crime, end of story. There's no room for compromise on that matter. Don't let these perverts muddy the waters and confuse you.

Just because one guy claims he knows 2 or 3 pedophiles who were abused doesn't excuse child molesters. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. In any case, no studies have shown any causal link between being molested and molesting others. The vast majority of child sex abuse victims don't go on to molest other children later.

And what happened to free will? Why can't these priests choose to seek help rather than punishing innocent children for their own perceived demons? And how does that justify the church's failure to warn parents about known pedophiles or at least move them to posts where they don't have access to children.

As far as I'm concerned, these sick, twisted human beings should seek whatever spiritual and mental help they need in prison where they belong.

Pls refer to my reply to Nkeon's post

striktlymi: Guy there is no evidence! Apes are a different specie from humans...the 'Lucy skeleton' some believed to be the link does not conclusively show this link cause it is not human...anyone who accepts evolution in its entirety is only doing that through faith and not via scientific evidence.

and now, you talk as if fossils are the only evidence that proves evolution. I never even intended fossils at all. Genetic analysis reveals the fusion of chromosomes 12 and 13 of pan troglodytes, our closest living relative, to form human chromosome 2. This is the perfect proof of evolution, from the same ancestor, of man and other great apes

Nkeon: Like ooman, I also agree with the part about paedophilia being a psychological disorder. I think it is something like 1 in 5 people abused as children go on to abuse others so clearly there is a connection. Preventing such situations in the future would involve ensuring that children aren't screwed up in their youth in the first place.

That being said, abusing a child is still a criminal action. End of. The hidden truth is that sexual attraction to children is more common that people think. Not every person that has an attraction to kids goes on to abuse them though. That is a different level action. True the perpetrators have probably had a traumatic background but if we go by that then there is no such thing as crime because most criminals have a troubled past.

In any case he is saying this in a pathetic attempt to relinquish the Catholic Church from their failure to take action on numerous occasions when children were being abused right under their nose. Regardless of it being a mental disorder the church should have still ensured that the children are out of harms way. They are aware that there are many individuals in their church disturbed and yet they have done nothing to get help for the molesters or the children.

I understand that children, the future of our species are in question here, hence the aggression. But we also have to put the psychology of the so-called "criminals" in view.

A mathematical study showed that serial killers have a particular brain disorder. There is a particular motivation to all actions of consciousness, not just of humans, but animals too. For instance, animals that would normally live peacefully with each other will have to fight each other, at times to death when the urge to mate comes on them.

Mating with children is totally wrong because it involves parties who are not sex.aully matured hence, the act hurts them. But those who are involved in this act are also not in their normal self.

What we are debating here is not whether the act is wrong or not, the act is totally wrong. What we are debating is if there is any extenuating circumstance surrounding the act.

Yooguyz: @ ooman you seem to have a correct understanding of what human sexuality is about, even though its not from a christian perspective I have been noticing your posts.
Btw how are you doing today?

busy day. Thanks for checking on me though.

striktlymi: [b]Having said that, I do not accept that man evolved from apes...[/b]I only accept evolution within specific specie and not that one specie evolved into another i.e the thought that a dog can become a lion if there is enough time is a bit too much to accept; and interestingly Richard also share my sentiments.

#I am open to only what science can explain as far as the 'theory' is concerned.

man did not just evolve from apes, we are also apes.

There is all evidence to support this, i repeat, ALL EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORT EVOLUTION OF MAN FROM PREVIOUS ANCESTRAL APES. I shall provide these evidences with time.

musKeeto: Chai [s]no blow my cover, thread never even start[/s]

Where's ooman when you need him?

refer to my thread above

MusKeeto, why do you share name with a blood sucker?

anyway, the only reason why you should not commit suicide is because your body is a system of conserved energy, ensuring balance according to the second law of thermodynamics. If you commit suicide, you will release your conserved energy and you will add to the pace of the already increasing entropy (disorder) of the universe, this will lead to a quick extinction of the cosmos. Scientists are hoping this will not happen until some 10 billions years to come, but if all conserved systems are releasing their energy by committing suicide, then the end is imminent.

So for the sake of the cosmos, for the sake of everything that exists, for the sake of materialism and existentialism, DO NOT KILL YOURSELF, DO NOT RELEASE YOUR ENERGY AT AN UNRIPE TIME.

I understand that everyone will at last die but then, time would have allowed us to reproduce more conserved systems.

Pastor Kun: Likewise the evolution myth cannot be taken seriously since it lacks sound scientific basis and is full of tooooooooo many loop holes.

and you think creation has "sound scientific basis"?

Your lack of understanding of evolution does not reduce the theory one bit.

obadiah777: LMAO. I AM DEFINITELY NOT YORUBA OR IGBO OR HAUSA. THESE ARE NAMES CONCOCTED AFTER THE FACT. AFTER WE HAD BEEN DISCONTINUED FROM OUR HERITAGE ( JEREMIAH 17 VS 4 ) AS JEWS. ISHILOVE, WE ARE FROM THE SOUTHERN TRIBE OF ISRAEL. WE ARE YEHUDAH ( JUDAH ).

keep fantasizing!!

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR

you are deluded

I quite agree with him that pead0philia is a psychological disorder rather than a criminal offense. People who are molested as children have scars of the experience left in them that might change their psychology when they become adults.

General studies truly concluded that females who were treated badly as children tend to treat other children badly when adult and that children who were homosexually molested tend to molest other children when they become adults. The study is not consistent, of course as some molested children got healed of the psychological scars.

I think that the cardinal is right and ped0philia should be treated as a psychological disorder rather than a criminal offense.

I remain an atheist.

Bobbysworld28: Victor, d essence of my talk is clarity & enlightenment.
If d goal of ur pursuit is to be right & nt letting others partake by varrying them along, then sorry.
I can be wrong & u could be wrong so let us get to a meeting point.
4rm ur point, neutrality is agnostocism. I still don't agree


atheism
The rejection of the belief in God. Some atheists have held that there is nothing in the world that requires a God in order to be explained. Atheism is not the same as agnosticism, which holds that we can have knowledge neither of the existence nor of the nonexistence of God.

Both stands show dt d subject comes to a conclusion over time which isn't true for babies. Dts my submission

well, your submission about atheism is wrong.

atheism equals lack of beliefs, babies are born with lack of beliefs. Hence, babies are born as atheists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw

waste of space

Segeggs: What about the gospel of Herod?

dumb sucker, is herold an apostle?

obadiah777: ZECHARIAH CHAPTER 5 IS SPEAKING ABOUT THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONS THAT WILL END THIS ERA WE ARE IN. ALSO SPEAKS ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WICKED ERA IN THE LAND OF SHINAR ( BABYLON ). BASICALLY THE BEGINNING AND END OF WICKEDNESS

delusions!

Bobbysworld28: Truthislight, I hv a baby & believe me sucking isn't instinctive. Hv u forgotten dt in d womb they only ate through d umblical cord? Hw then can they knw instinctively dt feeding is from d mouth upon exit 4rm d womb? Let ur wife hv a baby, then u come back & talk.
I'm a father & I've observed this. Instinct kicks in after u put it in d first time & then d baby realises there is a new mode of feeding.
I believe ur question is apt 4 u

well, if you disagree with instinctive behavior, how then do you explain suckling in animals, feeding in worms and blood suckling in insects.
Animal (including human babies included) behaviors are generally instinctive, adult humans excluded because of presence of consciousness.

Bobbysworld28: Yes I said it. Sue me.
When my baby was born she didn't suck because no milk came out. We used glucose & water d first day. 2nd day & she of course didn't suck until d milk got into her mouth. Then she sucked.
Validate ur claim little boy

what did you expect her to suck if no milk came out. Since suckling is instinctive, if it doesnt come with reward, another source would normally be found. Babies generally would resort to crying.

Bobbysworld28: Ooman I luv intelligent arguments but on this one u hv bn pinned. U said children r born without belief. Belief in wht? In God? [size=15pt]Can I dare say they hv also bn born without belief in atheism?[/size]
U mention they hv reflexes like sucking. Dts untrue. They can't evn suck because there is no pre knowledge abt sucking until they r taught by putting it in their mouth.
Ur argument is very hollow in dis regard. Kindly admit u hv bn roundly defeated.
Cheers

well, who is talking about "knowledge" to suck, am talking about instinctive behaviors. Infancy lasts from birth until age two. Infant reflexes concern finding the nipple: suckling can occur minutes after birth, and the rooting reflex is a tactile clue for the infant to turn its head toward a touch. During the first year the infant passes through a series of developmental stages.
Infant reflex is a scientifically and clinically proven fact. There is no going back on that because you disagree with it.

@bold: you got that 100% wrong, atheism is not a belief but lack of belief. Children are born with lack of belief so can be regarded as atheists, i have said this time without number. Your problem seem to be lack of understanding of what atheism is.

truthislight:

infant!

Are all atheist like you?(so empty)

you are too low for me to banta words with as such, silence is the best answer for a ........
Ciao and peace.

so dorky

Alfamann: This ooman self, your case worse pass that of Lazarus. I think say you don die. Wetin you dey do here again?

Na striky say make I wake am up again oo

ijawkid: My brother go do better thing with your time and leave this stark olodo that claims to be sapient............

Logicboy for long too has clung on to this fallacy that everyone was born an atheist........

Sometimes its best to leave them to there foolishness and pride........

When people lack wisdom, they resort to abuse.

Provide 26v4 when arguing with fools, dont answer their foolish arguments. NIV

striktlymi: Guy I am out...enjoy your thread! No need arguing the obvious!

Edit: I have made my point known to you i.e. changing your user id does not make much sense.

And I got ur point. Hail Mary!!

striktlymi: Good morning ooman,

I trust you had a wonderful night's rest!

Usually when an Atheist is busy being unintelligible and illogical, I leave the individual to his/her illogical self cause it is disheartening that he or she can't even apply his or her intellect but prefers to pick up the thoughts of others without good reason...in your case, I have seen some intelligence but disappointed that you can't or refuse to apply this intelligence in simple matters...I will be patient with you but I will say this only ones...try and catch up!

Atheism in the broad sense, means a refusal to believe in any Deity; while in the narrow sense, it means the belief that there is no deity. The key word I will like your intelligemce to grasp in this case is "belief"...either one refuses to "believe" or one "believes" no deity exists...

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief#Belief.. It can also be said to be "An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists" or "Something one accepts as true or real". The common denominator in holding a belief from the forgoing is that it takes a conscious act to believe or disbelieve...

Again, when an individual decides to disbelieve, the individual has to have an object of his or her disbelief...it doesn't make any sense for someone to say 'I don't believe' but does not know what he is disbelieving...in other words the individual needs to have an idea of what the proposition or premise is before disbelieving...

George's concept of implicit Atheism (though not credible) posits that some individuals can be Atheists without a conscious rejection of the theistic beliefs...he applied this theory to grown-ups who choose to be 'neutral' and 'Children' who have no knowledge of any Deity but when it came to new borns he decided to be silent on the matter cause it would have made absolutely no sense.

His theory falls apart when one considers the fact that for an individual to believe in something, there must necessarily be a subject of the belief and an object. The subject would be the individual while the object would be the proposition or premise...similarly to disbelieve or refuse to believe one must be able to demonstrate that these factors are also present...

New born children like I said, came into the world as 'blank slates' i.e they did not come into this world with the concept of belief or unbelief...their beliefs or unbeliefs will begin to form gradually later in life due to factors like trust, confidence, persuasion etc...

What am I even doing?? Schooling an Atheist on what he is supposed to know??...I refuse to go on with this argument...This is the last I will say on this matter as far as this thread is concerned. If you want to go ahead being unintelligent in this regard, you are free...

^ so long a letter.

There is only two ways to go about this- a belief or lack of belief. There is nothing inbetween.

Belief system=theism

Lack of belief = atheism

Children are born with lack of beliefs and so can be regarded as natural atheists, till they are conscious enough to claim it for themselves and then graduate to being an atheist.

I see no reason why you should disagree with
the above.

Beretta92: Ooman,i don't think u shudda bothered changing ur i.d. Only a senile person won't be able to differentiate ooman 4rm ocman.And pls,ur attitude as i perceive to religious people doesn't speak well of a humanist.You should embrace all peoples,whether religious or non-religious.This is what we're meant to show the world as humanists.There should be no discrimination,no preference. My 2 cents.

My heart goes to you. There is no discrimination or prejudice. Since ooman and ocman have a completely different view about life, people might easily confuse ooman as ocman. I dont want anyone to regard as an exponent of any myth.

striktlymi: Shocking!!! You don't even know something this basic...

You are sarcastically refering to yourself.

Its proven that I understand this quite well. I provided reasonable logics, you provided nothing but sentiments, begging me to stop saying the truth.

Children are born with lack of belief, atheism equals lack of belief so children are born as atheists, what's so hard to understand in that?

^^lack of intelligence and childishness in display.

Did you say I was childish striky?