₦airaland Forum

perambulator:
When has Nigeria ever selected a good choice? Balewa became prime minister when he came 3rd in an election and either or Zik or Awo should have been prime minister, his regime was overthrown..no one overthrows a successful regime. Shagari became president when it should have been Awo, again his regime was overthrown..no one overthrows a successful regime. No point even talking about any of the other leaders in between or after. Balewa was ok just that there were better options. Compared to today's leaders Shagari and balewa are saints and visionaries. Are there any realistic good options today?

if Tinubu becomes APC's candidate, then he is Nigeria's next president.......like it or not. But I keep telling people, it doesnt matter who becomes president, we are heading for freefall unless we change the constitution.

Whoever becomes president in 2023 will be exactly like the type of leaders Nigeria has always produced...incompetent, mediocre, visionless, imbecilic, self serving or all of the above.

You need to understand that the guy behind the moniker 'PrinceOfLagos' is not really interested in development of Nigeria but he is only interested in Tinubu not becoming president.

Most other guys who try to paint some presidential aspirants black are also like that.

Kwanza:
https://dailynigerian.com/breaking-court-sacks-ganduje/

For the attention of Jaroman

Emergingnation:
Keep leaving in delusion..

The Actualization of sovereign state of Biafra is a task that must be accomplished,...

Yes, it's task like you rightly said.


However, the task can't be done on social media or through sit-at-home or protest.

You need political power, gained through either Military means or through democratic means to create Biafra.

Emergingnation:
Says cowardic that can't imagine his pathetic life without Igbo.... Learn how to stand on your own , stop leaving on feeding battles

But do you honestly think that the same people that IPOB is fighting against will conduct any referendum?


IPOB believe that the beneficiaries of the lopsided Nigeria will be against restructuring but IPOB is now demanding referendum from the same people?



It's better for IPOB to conduct it's referendum on it's own and publish the results for the next line of actions.

Penguin2:
That’s my point too.

Allow the parties decide how they wish to choose their candidates.

And your narration of what happened with CPC in 2011 has shown clear demonstration of how Direct Primaries is not the panacea its proponents are projecting it to be.

The parties should decide how they want to chose their flag bearers.


In 1998, the Alliance for Democracy (AD) opted for direct primaries in Lagos because there were strong candidates not willing to step down for each other (Tinubu, Late Funsho Williams and Late Wahab Dosunmu) and in Oyo State the same party used consesus to unanimously picked Hon.Lam Adesina as the party flag bearer.

mrvitalis:
The only thing that can save Nigeria is tax and the people and most importantly north are scared of tax because tax would divide this country faster

Imagine paying 30% of your income in enugu , ogun ,Oyo , port Harcourt , warri and north gets majority when they pay little in tax

Boom

Which of the aspirants to you think is likely to do all these sir?

PandoraObi:
After the atrocities buhari has committed, he will surely want to insure himself against prosecution,

No president will prosecute Buhari, even after leaving office in 2023.

Odidigboigbo:
But the ones conducted by the governor's are the ones recognise by Buni led exccs, others are exercise in futility

Hmm, not exactly sir.




Did you study the Supreme Court Judgement on Zamfara State which nullified APC victory (Governorship, Senatorial, Reps and House of Assembly) in the State? What about that of Rivers State where the court ruled that APC had no candidates.

The APC won the Governorship in Bayelsa State but the Supreme court nullified that victory and awarded victory to the PDP which came second.


All these happened because parallel congresses were organized by the APC in those States which produced candidates that the court said were not validly nominated and excluded them from the election or nullified their victories even if they won.

JaroMan:
South East have consensus already: 2023 or nothing.
Grant interview all you care. Spin it all you care; there is a reason for this graveyard silent.
Igbos have done what I never expected them. Stick to your demand, don't back down. Let them Tinubu and Osibanjo continue strategizing, at the right time, they will take back seat.

Bros,the topic has nothing to do with either Tinubu or Osinbajo

deolu2000:
Any thing that will bring disarray to the camp of these oppressors and evil group of people is sweet sound to my hears.

After this 'disarray in the camp of the oppressors' what next sir?

Will this bring out the best Government that will solve the problems of unemployment, armed Banditry, killer Herdsmen and revamp the economy?

mrvitalis:
I'm not religious and I hope no igbo man rules this country in 2023 the numbers are not good the economy is a bubble that would soon burst and the worse recession would soon happen

Hmm, I see.


You are right, the next president will receive alot of criticism and may face public uprising because things have degenerated badly unless the person tap into our greatest resources- human resources with a view to bring forth our best eleven.

However,we still need to elect someone as the president to solve some of these problems.


In your honest opinion, who do you think is likely to emerge and solve these problems sir.

Dshocker:
I fear the northern elites are trying to gradually destabilise the party to make one man's dream not come through in february 2023....I mean,think about it

Why is it that the whole discussion about 2023 is virtually limited to that man's presidential dream?

Nobody is talking about how to;

Create employment
Stop armed Banditry
Revamp the economy
Solve the problems of farmers-herders clashes etc




By now, I think we should be examining the presidential aspirants, interview them to know who has what it takes to move the country forward and how to correct those who have policies that may not be appropriate for the country.

mrvitalis:
Why do u think NWC supervised ambode faction Congress didn't supervise tinubu lead faction Congress?

Oga the hand writing is clear you people don't want to see it

Let me ask you this

1) if buhari really wants to hand over to tinubu do you think it won't be obvious with his body language ?

2) if buhari body language is to hand over to tinubu do you think buni and malami would be acting this way ?

3) without buhari support can tinubu win APC ticket ?

4) do you think tinubu can fight buhari lead buni faction ?

I think Buhari is planning to hand over to Sen Anyim Pius Anyim because there was a strong prophesy (by one of the last remaining true prophets in this country) to that effect recently.

Penguin2:
I know the mode of primaries approved by party NWC is what will stand.

What I’m contesting is the numbers that such exercise manufacturers, how genuine are they?

Meanwhile, APC knows that if it has any interest in winning 2023 elections, then Southeast or Southsouth would produce their candidate. A candidate from the Southwest would be an orphan in the South with Northern votes not guaranteed.

Do you honestly think the APC is planning to lose the 2023 election sir?

JaroMan:
No doubt, he is smart politically. But the setting is big. So many people are involved and he can never scheme all of them out. That's why he could suceed in Lagos but not in all SW(e.g. Oyo is out).
But he is a sound politician

No man succeeds anywhere and everywhere.


To win presidential primaries and main election, you will garnered friends and foes alike and you don't need to win everywhere.


Many naive and mostly young tribal bigots wrongly assume that every crisis in the APC must be caused by Tinubu.

Crisis is inevitable in political parties, especially in Nigerian political parties because of clashes of interests of the members.

Different groups within the parties align and re-align to position themselves stategically so as to benefit from the next office holders.
In parties where there's no Tinubu, similar crisis can be observed.

Penguin2:
Every calculative and reasonable political watcher knows that Direct Primaries is Tinubu’s brainchild.

Personally I never knew there was anything like Direct Primaries until Oshiomole became APC chairman and we all know Oshiomole was taking orders from Bourdilon.

Most naive political watchers think Direct Primaries will benefit the masses but it’s all lies.

Take Lagos Direct Primaries of 2019 for example. A lot of fictitious results was manufactured to the extent the Party Electoral managers from Abuja rejected the primary election only for Oshiomole to arm twist them into accepting the aberration. In the end Sanwolu won the primaries with over 900,000 votes but struggled with about 700,000 votes in the general election. One is now tempted to ask if APC as a party had more registered voters than the INEC registered voters.

Same thing happened in Anambra. Party members didn’t see a single voting point only for 200,000 votes to be manufactured for Andy Uba from nowhere.

How is that now better than Indirect Primaries?

How old were you during the 1992 primaries of both SDP and NRC as well as 1998/1999 primaries of the parties when direct primaries were used.


In 2011, the defunct CPC used direct primaries and it backfired.
Money bags like Mohammed Abacha who just joined the party few weeks to the primaries was spraying money for the largely poor members of the party in Kano, thereby beating dedicated and preferred party men like Jafar Lawal Isa.

This polarized the party and led to the defeat of Buhari's CPC in Kano, Kaduna, Katsina and Bauchi States.


My grouse however is that the methods (direct primaries , Indirect primaries by delegates or consesus) adopted to select party flag bearers should be at the discreption of the parties and not a function of the electoral acts.

Nigeria always abuse almost every good policies we copy from saner climes.

Okay

madmohamed:
look at his wife the one face backward

Why posting the semi-naked pictures of a fellow Nairalander here? It can attract devourers like the former FCMB boss who may eventually yanshed the wife and cause the break-up of their marriage.


Please be guided.

yoruboidmuslim:
Ode.Ode
Who will vote for Igbos that always betray their benefactors?

Igbos have always clung to the anuses of the Hausas since 1960, thinking that they would overwhelm them because they think Hausas are mumus.They even killled the leaders of the other tribes and left their own untouched.
Igbos betrayed Nigeria by foisting decree 34...unitary system of govt....on Nigerians so that they can control everything.
How can underdeveloped Igboland think they can move Nigeria forward?
Igbos who have always been betrayers cannot be trusted.Karma na hin dey work against bad belle people so..
I still perfer Yoruba nation sha.

Please let's stop unnecessary tribal e-war.


We can't continue to live in the past and hope to make progress.

PandoraObi:
Igbos should go and rest, they can never be president after buhari, buhari will rather die than allow Igbo to rule after him.

But why?


There are well educated and experienced Igbo men who can truly help Nigeria to develop.

JackDaAlienz:
Why is that North Politicians DON'T send their Daughters to school in Saudi Arabia,Dubai why??

They always send their Daughters to U.K which is a Christian Western Country.
Yet they are busy sponsoring Hisbah Shaira in their own state.

Look at migrants from Syria, Afghanistan, Libya they are all risking their lives to go Mecca??
Nooo
To Dubai??
Noooo
To Turkey
Nooo

All are heading to White European Christian Countries like Poland,Canada, Sweden, Germany

So what happened to the top Islamic countries like U.A.E, Qatar, Dubai, Turkey
Why are Muslims migrants not going there?

Human minds generally can't be tamed for long, humans love freedom!

Islamic societies try to restrict their freedom to express certain feelings, ideas and fantasies.

AsampeteNwaanyi:
dem use am do ritual just like her brother

Elrufai used his children for ritual

This is insensitive ma.


The lady was a SS patient who died of cerebral heamorrhage after suffering a massive stroke in London.

She was NOT killed for any ritual.

Zetra7:
I understand your point but at this stage APC has no option but to present a southerner. Take that to the bank..

What if the election is like this;


Abubakar Malami (APC) or Mai Mala Bunu (APC) Vs Atiku (PDP)

[quote author=Zetra7 post=108057056][/quote]But why do you honestly think the S/East aren't considered for the presidency by the cabal and the political parties?

Zetra7:
To understand the inner dealings of political parties, you ought to either be a part of the inner caucus or have a solid contact with one that belongs to such a caucus, I happen to fall in the latter group by default.

Today , we dissect the plan of these 3 great men who holds all ace in APC. Sometime in the past, I proclaimed the tales of these 3 great men but many did not understand until they finally unveiled themselves with the powerful meeting with Buhari and solid statement of postponing APC convention to Feb , a sound strategic move despite cries within some quarters to relieve Mai Buni of the leadership.


Let me be clear, that move was against the Tinubu camp.. The line is drawn and it will be the winner that takes it all. If Tinubu wins , the BBB knows how the Tinubu camp deals with enemies so it's a fight to finish.

Note that only 2 camps will fight for the primary ticket forget Yahya Bello, one will be the Tinubu camp while the other is the Osibanjo camp.

The BBB + the presidency is routing for Osinbanjo based on the following points.

1. A loyal VP and a professional with less corruption baggage and easy to control. Remember as a General , Buhari like OBJ will not handover to a perceived strong man. OBJ went for cool Yaradua , Buhari - Osibanjo.

2. Southern Christian which will go along with a powerful muslim VP

3. Detribalized and more likely to gain favour from opposition regions of SS, SE and Some NC. Also will be more favoured by ex president and ex generals like OBJ , GEJ , Abusalami , Babagida , Gowan and Ty Danjuma.

4. Gain more traction with the Christian communities from CAN to strong Pentecostal leaders all over the country.

5. Support of the professionals and young people who will see him as a fresh air after the illiterate regime of Buhari and the corruption/agbero politics that reigned through them

6. Finally , support of the international community. US and Europe will never recognise Nigeria as a muslim state no matter how anybody try. Putting Nigeria on that list of anti religious book makes a statement. Now it's removed, there is only one option and that's for a Christian president.


Now back to the point, what is the plan of the BBB team, it's simple. These men are like a frying pan with oil, under them is the real fire which is the presidency which include the likes of Amaechi , Ngige , Abubabar Salami , Mamman Daura and so on.


Despite the plea of Kano, Kastina , Borno to be soft on Tinubu, the plot have thickened so much that by the time it gets to the primary, Tinubu might not contest. First the BBB team will seize the party by February placing solely their own men in charge of the party and by the primary will present Osibanjo as the candidate.


Now get this, Atiku Bagudu is the likely VP to Osibanjo. Buni and Baduare will be heading powerful positions in the cabinet if all goes as planned.


The Tinubu team will desperately hate Osinbanjo when the time comes but this has nothing to do with Osinbanjo , it's simply the plot of the BBB + the presidency....

In all these, two factors are never mentioned or considered;

1) The God factor

2) The Nigerian massess

Mrkumareze:
Sure, he's not an ordinary kidnapper ... must be a political tools

If you have alot of money in Nigeria, you will no longer be ordinary.

You will have access to the high and mighty in the land.








Nigeria is a fantastically corrupt country, most of the (young) people complaining about Nigeria online are equally corrupt.

DOTian:
Akinwumi? That one is too far. Lots of decent characters they can front if the yorubas have any serious interest in fixing Nigeria. The Akinwumi guy proved his mettle at The Ministry of Agriculture under Obasanjo. Reasonably decent and marketable. But they won't bring him in. The same reason they won't bring in the current Vice President Osibanjo. Warts and all, many Nigerians still have reasonable respect for Osibanjo, especially due to the way he has acted whenever Buhari was away. Very erudite, though beholden to clannish pulls sometimes. If the yorubas want to make an easy case for the presidency, Osibanjo should have been the character...

But they don't want that! They never mention those names anymore. You have to pity the man Osibanjo.. Even ministers from the South West like the loudmouthed Fashola and their owambe governors are already talking about the "Al Capone" abi the Pablo Escobar of Nigerias politics- Tinubu while Osibanjo is there like an orphan! The reason is very simple; they are not interested in building this fake country! Their much vaunted patriotism is fake too. They're only interested in looting down the country and can NEVER trust reasonably "erudite intellectuals" like akinwumi or Osibanjo to do the job as ruthlessly clinical as Buhari! They want a proven thief to loot for them! It's a "loot I loot" democracy, remember?

Hmm, you are right but if the youths are serious, they can win the election by nominating and supporting someone like DOTian for the presidential election

Investigative:
Why can’t Yoruba pick the president Africa development bank as the presidential candidate ?
Why do Nigeria always go after corrupt people who steal from them at same time share with them every four years
Then go back and start complaining,
I will personally vote that man against igbo politicians unless Peter obi

Because tribes can NOT nominate and present candidates for elections.


Q-1: Suppose the Yorubas want to do this, who will announce that Akin Adeshina has been chosen as the Yoruba candidate?

(a) Alaafin of Oyo
(b) Pastor Adeboye
(c) Chairman of Afenifere
(d) Ooni of Ife
(e) Sunday Igboho

Q-2:How will the answer in Q-1above ensure that other Yorubas step down?

Noshitboi:
Where is that vulture and lizard griller sef. Seem he has not been paid his BMC monthly stipend.

God punish all APC supporters and make God extra punish anybody wishing Tinubu to be our next president

Asgard73 and PrinceOfLagos, your brother is here o

eduj:
That's a fallacy, the Ohanaeze Ndigbo has no charter on the tribal composition of the Igbo race -unlike the ijaw organization that without consultations ,subscribed tribal groups into there charter.

The people of Asaba called there king the Asagba of Asaba. They don't use Eze. You see, Eze is a generic term and some other Igbo communities use other terms to denote there kings.

You are answering questions that I NEVER asked but didn't answer the question I asked;


1) Are Opobo and Bonny peoples parts of Igbo ethno-cultural organizations like Ohaneze Ndigbo and/or Ake Ikenga?

2) Do Igbo towns use the title Amanayabo for kings?

3) If you are asked in an exam or interview to name which Nigerian tribe use the title of Amanayabo for thier kings ,what will you say?

(a) Ijaw
(b) Igbo


4) Do Opobo and Bonny also called their kings Eze in addition to the titles of Amanayabo?

Do they say Igwe or Eze gborugburu in Opobo or Bonny?




Igbo and Igbonized royalties use eze in addition to peculiar titles like Obi or Asagba.

OfoIgbo:
You are the person to provide these bibliographies, after all you have access to these modern books by Alagoa and the rest.

We also look forward to any pre-colonial documents from the Portuguese, Spanish or any neutral European operators in Ubani, that you may be basing your assertions on.

In this forum, I was able to show translated snippets from Portuguese explorers, written about 550 years ago, to prove that the NRI kingdom was the cultural and religious overlord of Benin empire.

All you need to do, is to provide a few pre colonial documents to back your assertions

Where did you read that Nro Kingdom was the cultural and spiritual overlord of Bini Empire?

Putindbutt:
Bonny is a mix tribe. The culture and titles are ijohs. Slave trade brought ibos from the interior to Bonny. Mbanaso was installed as a king by his ijoh master. Olukumi have been igbonized even though they aren't ibos. The large concentration of ibos in a given area gives them undue advantage over the less peopled minorities.
The fact remains that the abolishment of slave trade in 1801 gave ibos the leeway as freed slaves in Bonny, prior to 1801, ibos were the largest supplier of slaves. It was for purpose of slavery that brought ibos to Bonny.

More than others, this post summarize the most neutral picture of Bonny.