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Politics / Re: An Alternative Blueprint For The Incoming Buhari Administration by PabloAfricanus(m): 1:42am On Mar 01
And here we are...
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 2:11am On Oct 14, 2018
And the show played out as predicted grin cheesy shocked

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:57pm On Oct 11, 2018
OMANBALA1:
No need replying you, ma nnigga, it wont lead us anywhere. But take this from me, Ndi Anambra are also proud Igbo just like me. Go through my post history and quote me anywhere berating fellow Igbos. You are not the only one who has accused me of such but there is no proof of that because it doesn't exist. And if I want to dress people down I will do it even in their faces ma kwelu dike!

And I really dont need to attack anybody to feel important, it comes from within. I feel privileged to be onye Anambra and if that makes me a supremacist SO BE IT. And I will not reply you again because your hate for Igbos just like your fellow tribes men will never allow you to see the light. Its takes a brave mind to see the light ,accept what they saw and face reality. Attacking people without any tangible reason is a waste of my time.

Get over urself u hear?
Every Nigerian is proud to be from their state, and there are 37 of them! grin
Only you citizens of anambalistan go making it look like the sun rises from the ground in anambala. cheesy
The inferiority complex that oozes when you trumpet how better your anambalistan is in the face of the igbos betrays ur
deep insecurity. Who made you guys feel so little? grin cheesy
Abia or Enugu? grin cheesy (oya fight and entertain me tongue)
You really don't find it funny you had to choose the words "supremacy" and "privilege" to describe how you feel about ur state?
Wawuuu, what should Ogun, Niger, Kano, Sokoto and Katsina state indigenes now feel?
Confidence and sense of self worth is to be encouraged no doubt, but when you go about trumpeting how ur father's bicycle is the best in the entire village? undecided
One wonders if you are aware, your dad is not the first to buy a bicycle, other dads have moved from bicycles to motor cycles,
others to cars, and some to private jets.
Or maybe something is half wrong with you?

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 10:40pm On Oct 10, 2018
Sprumbabafather:
"When you go to Rome, behave like the Romans" is a popular saying, and until the Igbos of Nigeria understand how to behave like their neighbours, how to play the Nigerian brand of politics, they cannot dominate the political space like they have done in other fields. The Igbos are a very ambitious, very talented and industrious set of people who have proven to themselves how efficient their positive drive can be. 

But Nigerian politics is dirty, filled with the scums of society rather than the best of achievers. That is why the Igbos need to change their tactics. The most popular attraction to Nigerian politics is not a desire to solve societal problems, but a way to worsen it, as long as you benefit from the chaos, while you drop crumbs to your cronies who help you loot. Nigeria is practising lootocracy as a system of government.

It will be better if the Igbos throw reason out of the window and start voting with their greed, rather than rational reasoning. Afterall, every other person does it. 

For the love of Mike, how did the Igbos end up voting a better and more educated Jonathan, rather than a Buahri who we all know is no good. The best thing was for the Igbos to abandon Jonathan when it seems clear he will lose, jump into the doomed wagon of Buahri and vote like all the other mad men. And if the governors of the SE are all PDP, they can hold a meeting and change to APC overnight, all five states!

We should play amala and ewedu politics, jump onto the bandwagon and scream sai baba so loud that the original chanters will be afraid, and drop their microphones for us to take over, arrive APC meeting before others and flow with the tide, even if the tide is sweeping the whole country into the sea, don't worry, we won't die first. 

We should start praising all the mistakes of APC, tell them they are the best and massage their bloated ego till the whole country falls into where its destined to fall into. Igbos should await the next election with greed in their eyes, vote for the worst candidates, as long as you think he will win, damn the consequences, and if the shiitt hits the ceiling fan, don't bother to duck. We cannot lose more than others.

Remember, "When you go to Rome, behave like the Romans"

Now that is a classic. cheesy cheesy cheesy
Can you do a sequel or 2 to the above?
The Machiavellian ideas and the way you presented is soooo smooth.
But remember, who sets the ball rolling? Who makes the rules?
You're basically advocating for Igbos to wait until others make a move and then they jump in.
Even as a street brawler, you quickly loose cred with that approach.
Obasanjo has never been vilified for the Land Use Act till today, and I can bet you if that act is repealed, most states will experience
an economic renaissance.
Most Nigerians are blissfully unaware of the officially mandated looting embedded in their laws. embarassed
How about coming up with one or two sure fire moves to take the looting to the next level?
Say, why stop at a certain derivation percentage or pretend not to notice the president should have no business going on medical leave abroad!
Why not build a Presidential Clinic in London, you know for those rare occasions when the president needs to check the temperature of his left ear lobe?
And then you can push for amendments to the budget for Senatorial Clinics spread across Europe too, you know exclusively for senators
so they can go xray their tonsils after the exhausting house sessions.

grin grin grin

PS: It's sad that Nigerian politicians in particular and Africans in general fit into the mold you just described.
I have always wondered if they had something against the concept of bettering the lives of their citizens.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:52pm On Oct 10, 2018
OMANBALA1:


You didn't write anything worth reading just like you have always had. But before you call me names take a look at the mirror. Your name says Africanus but all your time on Nairaland was spent attacking and berating your fellow Africans while pushing superiority agenda. Yes, I am a proud Omanbala to the bone marrow but I never spend time running my fellow Igbos down. Inferiority complex does not run in my gene...I am a descendant of IFEUKWUANIM!

Amusing drivel.
Yes, I espouse a pan African world view and I totally am committed to uplifting africans of all shades and colors.
That worldview does not include encouraging tribal or ethnic supremacy, or condoning internal colonization.
Sadly what your blodas were proposing here is exactly what most Nigerians fear Igbos for.
And they're doing it openly without any iota of modesty! grin

I've been on this forum for a while and I am familiar with your OdenigboAroli handle.
Your favorite past time is berating, putting down and making other igbos feel lesser.
You take exceptional pleasure in trumpeting your phantom anambala superiority over other igbos.
I'm yet to figure out how u came about that concept, as anambala was the no go area among the SE states just a few years back.
From silly notions about dialect, foods, dance and other irrelevancies you have created a whole anambala race in nigeria cheesy grin
And you actually believe a military created area on a map confers magical powers to peoples in it?
What would you have IBB who created anambala state do then?
May I suggest you build a shrine or huge statue to IBB somewhere in anambala then? grin
I've read you painstakingly point out that anambala Europeans do not get married to imo,abia,enugu or ebonyi africans.
That is one extreme display of primitive crudity I have ever come across.
Issa wawuu grin
Everything is a competition and race to the finish for i.diats like you.
Well, i.diats like you are usually hiding their severe inferiority complex behind loud mouthed bragging.
It shows as you clearly need to be noticed and validated.
High achievers don't brag or boast, they have praise singers do that for them or admirers.
Maybe you should learn from that.

Yes, I know I'm being petty today, so you'll have to make do with the i.diat tag for now grin
Later when you i.idiats demonstrate better behavior, I might just upgrade it to good boi OK? cheesy

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:52pm On Oct 10, 2018
OMANBALA1:
Pabloafricanus is a yoruba who is pushing a yoruboid superiority agenda. When he first started with this current moniker about three years ago he was initially solely interested in Yorubas influence in south america but he was also trying to deceive his ancestors in believing he is from South America...lol. Well, as they say , a leopard will never change its stripes. Yoruba and treachery is like chromosomes with chromatin, FFUCKING INSEPARABLE.

shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Emotional drivel from a childish supremacistgrin
Ok what if I'm Yoruba, then what
So I must be Yoruba to comment on an open forum or discuss Igbo affairs?

Being that I'm in the mood to be petty today, maybe I should give it to you smiley
Are you not the silly i.diat who only feels good when he can compare himself with other Igbos and see them as lesser than himself?
Anambra people are quite accomplished, but I don't get the fixation with making other igbos feel lesser and smaller.
Do you i.diats have a problem with letting others sing your praises and emulate your success?
I.diats like you actually have a condition called severe inferiority complex, you're basically crying for attention and validation. embarassed cry

PS: Not everyone who challenges Igbo views is a hater or Yoruba or whatever for that matter.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 3:49pm On Oct 10, 2018
pazienza:



How can you blame Igbo issues in national politics on Igbos alone?
Igbo had always stood as a block in national politics. Factors beyond our control , mostly emanating from resentment other Nigerians have towards us, had led to us often being sidelined in national politics.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb.https://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/yorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-by-sanusi-lamido-sanusi-elombah-com.111348/

This was the current Emir of Kano words.
Currently, Atiku is being harassed into not buying into Igbo VP, by being told that an Igbo VP would generate resentment from Nigerians towards him. Notice the attempt by Yorubas to Igbonize Atiku candidature, the aim is simple, they are trying to appeal to the Igbo resentment ingrained in the very genetic make up of average Nigerians, and use it against Atiku,in such a way that Atiku would consider Igbo VP more of a liability, than an asset
They did the same to Agbaje in 2015 Lagos elections. Agbaje candidature was Igbonized to make it unappealing to other Nigerians in Lagos. Immediately Ambode fell out with Tinubu, Yorubas rushed and Igbonized Ambode too, to make him unattractive to average Yoruba persons.
You seem to not understand the dynamics at work in Igbo political dilemma in Nigerian politics.

You are practically saying it is the duty of Hausa's and Yoruba's to act in the best interest of Igbo's.
Why should they? grin
Dem join una for waist?
Too much of this victim mentality and refusal to strategize has blinded you guys to the responsibilities you alone owe yourselves.
Individual success does not and will never translate to group success, another sign of political naïveté displayed by Igbo's.
And yes, you cannot achieve group success without working political institutions, where will the leaders emerge from?

Why should other groups not fear Igbo domination when Igbo's clearly dominate over 70% of most markets?
Why should Yoruba's and Hausa's play good politics when they can play dirty and get away with it?
No one owes you Igbo's anything, not today, not tomorrow.
Maybe you're yet to come to terms with that.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 3:40pm On Oct 10, 2018
Obi1kenobi:


I'm sufficiently confounded by the scale of ignorance and revisionism here not to even be bothered to foment a response. grin Especially as brevity is not your friend in your convoluted ramblings. Wouldn't know where to start. Incredible!

You're so simple minded it's not funny.

After reading your contributions further down, you essentially proved my point, maybe you're still not aware.
Politics is a game to be played, Igbo's have still not woken up to that fact.
Lack of political institutions equals lack of political leaders equals inability to come up with political strategies or goals.
Don't worry, you don't have to understand it.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:58am On Oct 10, 2018
superlightning:


Dude, am sorry to say this, you are ignorant and dubious.

REPUBLICANISM - The structure nations works with today has always been part of Igbo culture.

If it confuses you then seek for education.

Igbo politics was decentralized yet held together by a common cultural creed. Eze aro confederated with many clans thus giving rise to the ARO CONFEDERACY.

Aro confederacy controlled many territories within and beyond igboland. They also had a diplomatic cum judicial structure.

They used NSIBIDI as their writing system. They wrote with on trees, clothes, houses, open skin, etc.

Their trade just like the Fulani and Yoruba to the western world and middle east included SLAVERY. Palm oil was also a major cash crop in aro confederacy.

They had a structure which is today being lauded by anthropologists and researchers.

The British who practiced monarchy could easily relate to the Fulani and Yoruba mornachial structure, but not igboland. Why? Because they (British) were not Republicans. So stop regurgitating ignorance here.

Nri dealt more with socio-religious duties of alaigbo. Aro did that too, but concentrated more on expansionism through commerce.

Enough of your half-truths.

Such ignorance. grin
The Aros were traders and slavers, hardly a euphemism for anything hegemonic.
You're ignorant about the Nris, as your reply clearly shows.

The British installed warrant chiefs for Igbo's, as there was no known or visible leadership structure they could use to administer Igbo land. Is that not a fact?
Maybe you are not aware there were no kingdoms or monarchies in Igbo land?
The Aros operated mostly among the Southern Igbo clans and didn't have the spread or reach to be considered an expansionist force.

Nsibidi was not Igbo and was never used by the Igbo's as a system of writing, if you have any precolonial documents written in Nsibidi, I'd be glad to see them.

The British met existing bureaucracies, courts, armies and dynasties when they arrived in Oyo, Bini and Fulani territories. Just read up on indirect rule OK?

I understand your ethnic pride is at stake, but historical facts cannot be changed.
You need to go back and study your history, you came off sounding ignorant.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:16am On Oct 10, 2018
Curlieweed:


I don’t know what you got from his post but the guy displayed a very basic ignorance of our history. We had at least two historical hegemonies in Igboland. The Nri predated Benin by a long time. WTF does he think they used to keep their hegemony alive for such a long time? Magic?

Contrary to his claims, the Aros had no Benin influence and had a confederacy that covered a large part of the old Eastern region (well beyond Igboland). How the eff does he think they held that confederacy together? Is it not with a deft combination of diplomacy and military persuasion? As an Ngwa man, you should know the importance Aros attached to diplomacy. They considered diplomacy the greatest leadership trait.

Can you compare the Anglo-Aro war with the way the sacking of Benin?

The Nri were not a hegemony in anyway, except the word hegemony has lost it's meaning.
What the Nri had was a caste of priests tasked with performing rites for client clans, and even then they were limited to Northern Igbo clans.
I dare you to tell me the oral history the Owerri or Ngwa peoples have of this "Nri hegemony".

The Aros were mixed with Ibibios and other Akwa cross peoples, even their Ubini Ukpabi was borrowed too. They relied on Abam, Ada and Ohafia mercenaries for their dirty work as the Aros never had armies.

There was no Igbo state or advanced political setup, just like most of the other smaller minorities excluding the Ijaws and a few others.

And no, your so called Anglo Aro was cannot be compared to the Binis, Ijebus, Sokoto caliphate who fielded calvaries and a standing ranking army against the British invaders. You need one to even begin to attach the word hegemony to any ethnic group, even Ife despite being off limits to invasion had generals and armies.

This is not a diss track though, just stating history as it was. Maybe you can learn from it.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 5:42am On Oct 10, 2018
ChinenyeN:
PabloAfricanus, though I get your point with your last post, I must say, the actual content in your post interferes with that point. Yes, it can essentially be said that Igbo cannot engage in national politics effectively, but I'd hazard to say that it is not for the reasons you expounded upon here.

Actually my points stand, at least the way I see it.
But if you insist, I'd be willing to learn why.

Let's leave the questions about carving up minorities into unwilling and unsolicited unions for now.

Can you honestly breakdown for me why the Igbos have not been able to form a political block with minorities in the South?

Are you aware the Amachrees in Kalabari can be said to be essentially Igbo?
Just like the Ikwerres who were complicit in kicking the Igbos out of PH after the war?
Why are the Ijaws despite very heavy intermarriage, as lots of Ijaws are half Igbo, very hostile to all things Igbo?
Why do they consistently work against any Igbo cause or firmly resist any grounds for political engagements with Igbos?
Why do the Anioma peoples despite their very well known Igbo origins never seem to be able to make the hand shake across the Niger work?
Why do they all look up to smaller groups like the Binis and Fulanis when they have a bigger group they have shared history with?
And why are Igbos so confused about their place in Nigerian politics?
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 3:45am On Oct 10, 2018
Obi1kenobi:


You really love to ramble on out of context, don't you. I won't even bother addressing the comical, preening narcissism and the delusion that high school level history is some profound knowledge. grin You're talking about Nigerian geopolitics and Fulani "diplomacy" and what they "had to offer", which on being asked to put some meat on your vague claims, you started digressing into irrelevancies.

Northerners learnt to accede to Fulani rule by force of conquest. And everywhere this status quo is tested in the North, it's met by brutal cycles of violence. Every human being is diplomatic, recognizing the need for a rules-based society that avoids violent conflict as much as possible. There is not a group in Nigeria without this quality, but it is possessed to varying degrees. To claim that we have any lesson to learn from Fulanis (a demonstrably blood-thirsty, power-obsessed group) in diplomacy is laughable nonsense and would show you know nothing about the structures of Igbos society. Northerners acceding to this Fulani dominance says more about the group characteristics of the ethnicities there (especially the Hausa) and the dynamics of their relationship with Fulanis. The Northern leadership's refusal to move away from its pre-colonial feudal legacy is nothing worth emulating and I don't quite see its relevance here on how to advance our goals.
I still can't fathom the contradiction in you coming here getting all worked up over someone's comment about forcefully subsuming an Igboid group and their territory into the larger Igbo nation AND YET telling us to take our cues from Fulanis, whose entire history and legacy in Nigeria is one of land-grabbing and conquest. Do you have a logically coherent ideology to tell us or you're just here to troll?

Lol the point went direct over your head didn't it?
Ok, I agree. Fulani bad, Igbo good.
Fulani grab land, steal land, shed blood, kill people, very bad.
Igbo no grab land, no steal land, no shed blood, no kill people, very good.
Just like I told you earlier, you lack the historical background to think through this.

Consider these.

The Igbos had no kindgom, empire or organized political system. Just like you noted, they only had hamlets and clans.
That means the Igbos never played power politics, state politics nor court politics with ANY of the minorities in the south.
They simply do not have that kind of relationship with Igbos either as a clan or as a political unit. At best, what some minorities dealt with were prominent Igbo clans like Aros.

When the Nigerian state forced both Igbos and the minorities to modernize, thereby forming political entities from previously autonomous clans and hamlets, the Igbos still never had a historical relationship of diplomacy or political engagements with these minorities. To them, Igbos were the closest clans who spoke Igbo and that was that.

Your mistake is in comparing Igbos to Fulanis and drawing parallels from it. How naive. Fulanis are not in the same class as Igbos. Military wise, politics wise and cultural wise, Fulanis have evolved more advanced structures than Igbos. Take court politics for example, as an Igbo you'd be forgiven for not being able to relate to the idea of a Gwandu court sending ambassadors to a Bini court, Oyo court or Kanem court.
That is how states, kingdoms and empires evolved to engage each other. Diplomacy is a fundamental part of the engagement, or that failing military engagement.

Igbos on the other hand, have no political interface, platform, system or culture to effectively engage with Ijaws, Ikwerres, Efiks, Ibibios, Kalabaris, Ogojas, Uhrobos, Idomas, Binis and other ethnic groups.

The British had to install warrant chiefs for them.
The only Igbo speaking clans with organized leadership were Bini influenced ones like Aboh, Onitsha, Ikas and the Aros. The larger Igbo peoples were a stateless people. These are historical facts.

If Igbos have to engage successfully with other minorities or with other big players in the country, they need to be able to build political institutions that can interface with them.
Igbos cannot use the force of arms, as they never conquered anyone and none of their neighbors can relate to an Igbo army or invading force.
They cannot use threats of colonization as that is equally strange to their neighbors who find such talk very funny.
They also cannot appeal to historical sentiments like intermarriage, as group sentiments will override that just like the case of the Ijaws and Ikwerres.

Replace Igbos with Bini, Yoruba or Fulani and you see a different picture emerges.
The Oba of Bini can dispatch court officials to Ekiti, Itshekiri, Lagos, Ife, Oyo, Igalla, Nupe, Ijebu, Iselle Uku and effectively communicate what the Bini policy on any issue is.
The Ooni or Alaafin can send chiefs to Gwandu, Ilorin, Bini, Ashanti or Dahome courts and state in clear terms what the Yoruba policy on say the price of garri is.
If it has to come to a show of force when diplomatic overtures fail, an army can be raised to enforce compliance like in precolonial times.

Igbos do not have such political systems or structures, just individuals migrating and trading.
Igbos need to learn how effectively interact in a modern political setup. This gives other ethnic groups a handle to effectively engage with.

wheeew, another history lesson. cry
Hopefully you can make sense of it.
Thank me later.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:17pm On Oct 09, 2018
nnamdijonathan:


Wait ooo, so Hausas are more competitive than the Igbos because they dominate Cattle business? Chai, this part of your post needs to be deleted ASAP.

Comprehension and analogy are words in the English dictionary.
Maybe you should look up their meanings.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:06pm On Oct 09, 2018
superlightning:


Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep.

You must be young and uninformed.
Owerri people or Aros who have an even stronger claim to PH cannot make that asinine statement, or the Ndokis or Ngwas for that matter.
You will grow up last last. grin
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:49pm On Oct 09, 2018
superlightning:


Check the indices on education posted by pazienza and see how "competitive" your people are.

Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things.

Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule.
PMB came back after 1985 to rule.
What were your blodas doing?
Passing exams or what? cheesy

Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP?
But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you?

If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate.
If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states.

Now how about that? grin
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:27pm On Oct 09, 2018
Abagworo:
The problem Igbos have with not only minorities but rest of Nigeria is simply our competitive culture. We believe in freedom and equality but lack stratification and equity in our dictionary. Other Nigerians believe in stratification and equity at least to some extent.

To Igbos others are lazy but to others Igbos would do everything possible to have their way even though without physical confrontation. I've done this research over and over yet arrive at same conclusion.

Is Igbo way of life bad? I don't think so and it's not enough for the dusdain.

Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe.
Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos.
They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself.
Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue.

Your problem is organized leadership.
Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure.
They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many.
Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses.
Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with?

Think about it.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 8:18pm On Oct 09, 2018
Xander85:


I seem to have missed the part where you said what your ethnicity is!

Could you remind us again? Just so we can place your comments in their proper perspective.

Another primitive African.
Ok let me give you a preview of my glorious ethnicity.

I currently live in Calabar, so I qualify as a SE.
My family were part of Oba Ovomramwen's entourage when he was exiled by the British.
My grand mother, great grand mother were Igbos from...
Before the exile, my family were part of the Ife party that followed Oronmiyan back to Bini to support the new dynasty. My family were responsible for the... of the Oba.
While at Ife, my family were part of the Nupe and Igbo shocked branches of the Ife original families whom Oduduwa met when he arrived Ife. Infact, Ifa had prophecied his coming to my family group and they awaited his coming. We were part of the group who supported him against...
Did you know the historical relationship between Nupes, ancient Igbos and the original inhabitants of Ife?

na joke oooo, seriously, blame it on too much NL debates in the culture section grin

I'm just a Nigerian like you. happy now?

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 7:56pm On Oct 09, 2018
Obi1kenobi:


Don't kid yourself with your condescending tripe (for someone who speaks about "diplomacy" a lot, you're one very obnoxious brat). I've read Northern history literally since my primary school English comprehension textbooks with tales of many figures from Usman Dan Fodio to Idris Alooma. None of what you stated had anything to do with what I asked. You were speaking about the Fulani socio-political dominance in the North (no one disputes that), and referred to their diplomatic skill and talked about what they had to offer the North. I'm just wondering since the political contraption called Nigeria was created, how the Fulanis have exhibited these traits you speak off. What have they offered the North? How have they exhibited this diplomatic skill you speak of that Igbos have not to their neighbors?

The British handed no power to us because we never held any such power in the first place and had no structures to impose conformity on others. Neither did we have such an inclination in our way of life. Ours was a cluster of several clans and tribes, many organized at little more than Hamlet level. The North offered a much easier administrated vassal state to the colonialists. But again, this has nothing to do with what I was asking, You mythologized Fulani political skill, talking about their diplomacy and all that. How does it make sense that the biggest common denominator in inter-ethnic blood feuds in Nigeria are Fulanis whose entire Nigerian history is one of bloody conquests and subjugation of others, yet you speak about their diplomacy? How is it that the North, if considered alone as an independent territory, has similar HDI standards as South Sudan or Somalia, yet you speak about what Fulanis have to "offer" their subjects. What is this that they have to offer?

Like I told you before, you lack the historical background to reason through the question you asked.
You're appealing to morality and ethics, comparing yourself to Fulanis who should have been more demonized, hated and rejected due to their bad ways right?
You're naive and ignorant I'm sorry to say.
Diplomacy implies power and rulership, at least within the context of politics.
If you had studied northern history and made sense of it, you'd have known what the jihadists offered the pagan tribes they conquered. It was Islam or death.
Yeah that was terrible right? How bad of them cry

Fact was civilization was creeping up on the backward tribes across Africa, the Islamists were encroaching from North Africa while the Europeans were barging in from the Atlantic. Sooner or later, their way of life, access to markets, rights over their lands and freedom to practice their pagan beliefs was going to be challenged by whichever conquerors got to them first.
And when conquerors take over, they usually control the economic, social and political lives of the peoples they conquered.
The Fulanis set up emirates to rule the lands they conquered, you had to belong to even trade or live as a freeborn. If you belonged, meaning you believed ole Muhammad and his sky daddy were waiting with goodies somewhere up in sky, you had access to an organized empire stretching from Gobir in today's Niger republic to Adamawa in today's Cameron to Ilorin.
Trade in metals, minerals,salt, cotton and produce was restricted within their domains to tax paying citizens.
If you were an unbeliever and didn't believe in Muhammad's sky daddy, well, the Arab slave trade was the most profitable business of the day.

Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kanem Bornos whom they stole quite a chunk of territory from.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the other jihadist empires copying dan Fodios template.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kebbawas and their resolve to retain the last standing Habe kingdom.
Diplomacy was needed when they took over the Nupe kingdom and installed a Fulani dynasty over the Native Nupe dynasty.
Diplomacy was needed when Alimi rendered his services to Afonja and gradually settled Ilorin with ex slaves, immigrants and soldiers loyal to him.

I could go on, but I'm guessing you wouldn't understand.
You should pay me for the history lesson. cool
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 7:22pm On Oct 09, 2018
pazienza:



Lol! Birds of same feather.
So, you want me to believe that a moniker that last commented since Jan 19 this year,, all of a sudden showed up to support an Igbophobic post?

That's a double account. It's a fake.

don't be silllly, you appear to be smarter than that.
or wait, you can cheesy
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 7:08pm On Oct 09, 2018
Obi1kenobi:


A lot of these claims of yours seem to be ambiguous abstractions with no specificity to them. What exactly do you think the Fulanis had to offer the Hausas and Northern minorities who they dominate? Also, why do they seem to be warring with so many of their neighbours in many communities all over the North with this vaunted diplomatic quality of theirs? Why is it that we undiplomatic savages tend to live in peace wherever we go and these diplomatic heroes of your bring deadly conflicts with them wherever they go?

Well, why did the British have to exile Oba Ovonramwen, Jaja and Nana before they took control of the Lower Niger? They introduced Xtianity to Nigeria remember? What happened to thou shall not kill or covet your neighbours goods?
Why did they have to fight so many battles and destroy so many thriving kingdoms that never invited them in the first place?
If you were so peaceful and good, and hence excellent candidates for leadership and political alliances, why did the British not hand over political power to you instead of the North?

The Hausas and Fulanis had a civilized, literate and exposed empire that was already in contact with the developed world.
They were trading and communicating with all the empires in North Africa.
They had a formal court system with magistrates, prisons, a ranking police force, a ranking army (I know you won't understand this one), organized religious institutions, schools of higher learning, a graded tax system and tax collection bureaucracy, add to that a working civil service system AND CITIES!
Did I mention currencies, treasuries and a highly organized political system to run it all?
All these before the Europeans barged in.

Sure they were ruthless and essentially a slave dealing empire, but the Europeans held no surprises for them.

You lack a historical background on conquest and rulership by military domination if you're sincerely asking those questions.

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:50pm On Oct 09, 2018
pazienza:


I went through your post history. The last time you commented before today was on Jan 19. The year is almost running out, and today, you resurrected this moniker to support an Igbophobic post. You need to try harder. At least if you are going to play this game, try to be a bit smoother.

You deceive no one.

Pablo and his ilks, we know very well. His advice is not needed, we never asked for them.

Oh but you do need advice.
Can you drop the paranoia already? cheesy
This is a public forum and people are reading and taking notes.
Going by how thick headed and ignorant some of your over zealous blodas sound here, I'd say you put in more effort to educate and dissuade them from silly fantasies.
I think you should take my advice cool
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:33pm On Oct 09, 2018
donguutti:
while we diss pablo for making his points the hard way,we need to understand his stance and see if his ideas can be adapted to the quest for a greater igbo/ss igbo/ss ethnic group union,
someone mentioned margaret ekpo as one of the eastern minority leaders in the then eastern region,yet she was the daugh7er of an igbo,which dovetails into some of pablo's points.

On atiku,noi, nd peter obi... Shouldn't we be more concerned about what happens to the eastern ports if intels owner becomes president and how it affects strategic interests of ndiigbo.

Another smart one.
Tell your blodas to stop making claims on what is not theirs ok?
About the intels part, good point.
Ever wondered why the Eastern ports are kept moribund to the advantage of Lagos?
Or why Dangote selected Lagos for his mega project despite Lagos being choked up already?
Why not Calabar, Akure or Warri?
Or what would happen to Atiku's mikano generator business if he becomes president?
I see you i.diats jubiliating over a presidency that will probably have nothing to do with you.
How naive. grin
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:25pm On Oct 09, 2018
Igboesika:


I was expecting insults from you... Why the reverse?



Come on now. cheesy
How will readers know the difference between you i.diats and a refined specimen of tact, diplomacy and all things classy like moi?
You expect me to roll in the gutter with an i.diat like you?
You should apologize for that insult. undecided
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:22pm On Oct 09, 2018
pazienza:




Nnaa, on the bold.
Hateful Igbophobic Igboid groups like Ikwerre cannot be part of Igbo nation. You can't build a nation with such people. How hard is this for you to grasp, what's wrong with you. Are you always this impervious to reasoning?
Their lands belongs to them, and not to us. How can you even habour this kind of barbaric sentiment in 21st century. That's totally un Igbo.

We don't need to play bitter politics. We need to play pragmatic politics. Which involves making sure we protect our Igbo identity from vultures and impostors from those Igbophobic Igboids who desire to keep us perpetually politically irrelevant, by preying on the minds of the weak ones amongst us, to claim political offices and economic opportunities, which otherwise belongs to us.


You sound smart.
If you love these i.diats you call your people, be advises to call them to order to avoid a repeat of 1966.
If this mindset is what Nnamdi Kanu's crew have, then you better hurry and pass the memo on to them.
For the sake of the many innocent souls who will be affected by such juvenile incitements.
This was the exact same calm mien that Okpanam officer exhibited when he issued exit tickets to leaders of other regions and even had the guts to defend his foolishness.
Your time starts now, hurry and tell those IPOB irritants. grin
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:16pm On Oct 09, 2018
Igboesika:

You are nothing but a frustrated old wretched nonentity who lacks the capcity to trace the source of tribulations.
Nothing differs you from a slowpoke and ezi ofia.
You don't have the monopoly of insults.

Normal human beings are replying and disagreeing with superior arguments without throwing tantrums, but mentally unstable slum dweller like you who belongs to the gutter won't fail to show us that you really inherited stupidity from your miserable parents.
I will bury you alive in this thread if you don't receive sense inside your hopeless skull and argue intelligently like other progressive people here without throwing insults
Report me to the mod .... Inconsequential lowlife coward.
Ozu nwuru anwu.

Nope you won't be reported.
You have hard lessons to learn and I'm here to help with that.
Your juvenile rants are just empty air devoid of reasoning.
I counsel you to sit back and reflect on all I wrote, if you can.
That is if you can keep your emotions in check. grin
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 6:02pm On Oct 09, 2018
pazienza:

Well, I understand your points. But this is a pan Igbo thread,, strictly meant for only Igbos.

You have an anonymous ethnicity, and therefore, going by our rules here, your posts shouldn't be replied.

You can read our conversations though.

Thanks for your understanding.

Not when your co travellers are busy making inciteful statements that can heat up the polity.
Not when you lots are talking trash that's gonna get innocent Igbos suyalized for no fault of theirs.
You lots need a hand to guide you for your own good I'm sorry to say. kiss

You lack the required tact to discuss issues affecting non aligned parties without inciting more hate to innocents who will probably never know why they're attacked.
I will be here watching and responding as I see fit.
I'll advise you to continue and heed my advise if you can, very optional of course.

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Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 5:54pm On Oct 09, 2018
Handsomegod:

EXCERPTS FROM THE BOOK "Poorlitics" authored by Senator Bukar Abba Ibrahim and Chief Agha Egwu.

HANGOVERS OF WAR!

The Igbo suffered a sad and terrible fate for which sorrow and regret fills my heart, for nothing deserves that such a fate should befall any group of people, for any reason. However, there were simply no winners from that war. The hangovers from that war and the crimes committed still bedevil the whole nation. It is from that war that young men learnt about guns, armed robbery, kidnapping and cultism that holds our nation hostage today. Before the war, we hardly experienced such things. It is from that war that our young women learned to become prostitutes, seduced by soldiers, who had learnt the art of rape and orgies on the battlefront. After the war, the soldiers took their newfound lust all over the country, and gradually turned our young women in our universities into fledgling prostitutes. That tradition of prostitution by students in our universities remains with us until today, and may have even percolated down to secondary schools. Before the war, such things did not exist.

Worst of all, for the next forty years after that war, we were ruled by military men that experienced the depravity of war, and they ruled us with that brutality, with an army of young soldiers who were also soaked in the culture of war and abuse of power. Many of those military men, as they grew into wise sages, have recanted and regretted the horrible experiences and cannot even talk about them, but some are still adamant, still trying to justify the unjustifiable. If the events of 1966 to 1970 were to repeat themselves today, many Nigerian leaders would have been arraigned before the International Criminal Court of Justice. They would never have held the positions of authority that gave them the opportunity to corrupt our nation further.

War taught us the art of massive corruption; looted our country dry and turned us into a social desert in the midst of plenty. The war sucked the groundnut pyramids away from the North, filled the oil palm lakes of the East with blood and sent locusts to consume the cocoa fields of the West. That was how military adventurers sucked our nation dry with corruption and depravity, honed in the theatres of war. As a Governor, I watched the once fertile lands of my youth slowly convert into desert.

As I pondered the immoral desert that Nigeria became, I wondered how the oil that God planted in the South-South Zone could be used to water the rolling fields of the North, turn them into gardens of agricultural delight and plant industries of productivity across the South; but the garden remained an illusion, and the industries, remained pockets of urban squalor. Instead, Niger Delta militants went to the creeks to fight for oil and independence, whilst northern militants fought for Islamic territories and power. As they warred and killed, the party in Abuja continued, an oasis of modernity and civility, where our wealth was poured on a barren desert.

After the Civil War, in January 1970, Gowon declared, “No Victors, No Vanquished!” Certainly, there were no victors of that war. There were only the vanquished. We were all vanquished. Although, innocent Igbo people bore the brunt of the immediate carnage visited upon them, all Nigerians endured the ravages of a warped national psyche. It had destroyed our governance space, squandered our wealth, badly educated our children, emptied our hospitals of care and drugs, spread hunger amongst the majority of our people, the poor peasantry, and probably killed more people, since the war, than the food embargo on Biafra ever managed to kill. The past cannot be recovered, even if it could be atoned for. However, the most important question has always been, how could we pour the water of good leadership on the desert of corruption and lost opportunities in Nigeria?
...

You're naive and ignorant if you believed all that.
First off, you're going to have to grapple with the fact that someone had to pay for sending the Sardauna, Balewa and Zakariya to greet their ancestors prematuredly, that's for the Hausas.
For the Yorubas, someone had to pay for not only snuffing out the top Yoruba officer Ademulegun, but also Sodeinde. You have not even accounted for the bigger fish Akintola. Who made the coupists judges over the lives of leading Yoruba leaders?
You then have to account for Okotie Eboh to the Mid Western region.

Let's forget about the smaller fries who lost their lives too.

So where do you start from?
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 5:42pm On Oct 09, 2018
pazienza:


He isn't Yoruba.
I don't really know where he is from, but he had always shown interest in the identity crisis of the Igboid groups of SS. He always shows up in every thread the Igboid identity issue is being discussed. He's an old timer here, you don't know him because you are relatively new here. He has refused to say where he is from, preferring to remain ethnically anonymous.

See, you are new to this SS Igboid Igbophobic game. There are so many things you don't understand about it, and it does show in your arguments. Some of us have been at the forefront of this issue since 2007, so we know better. We had also taken out time to visit these areas, interacted with the commoners and therefore, when we speak, we speak with authority and with facts on ground, and not based on fantasies or wishes.

I had taken time to analyze the issue of the Igbophobic Igboids in SS, and had reached my current resolve about them. It took me 11years to get to where I'm with those people today, and I'm sure if you are pragmatic and open minded,, you would still reach where I'm today with them.
See, the feeling you are passing through Now, it's called "grief". It's the feeling every Igbo person passes through once forced to deal with the Igbophobic stench of those Igboid groups. It has five stages, and by my reckoning, you are at the second stage. Lots of people here are at the first stage.

See the stages here:

1. Denial.
This is the stage most Igbos go into once faced with Igboid Igbophobia. They try to rationalize things. If it were online, they claim the Igbophobic Igboid man is an impostor from Yorubaland.
If it's in real life, they deceive themselves into believing that the Igbophobic Man is alone in his Igbo denial, or that he represents only but a minority of his people. They go on to look for few Igboids who are indifferent about Igbo identity or pro Igbo,and claim they are the majority that should be listened to.
99.9% of IPOB members are still at this stage.


2. Anger.

This is the stage you are currently at. It's the stage when it dawns on you that the majority of Igboids are really resentful of their Igbo tag. You know you can't keep living in denial any longer about the situation.
So you go into a frenzy, blaming everything, looking for means to change things to the way you wish they should be, even if by force. It's the anger in you speaking. I have been there and back. This stage is the most difficult stage, because it's the stage where you are really struggling to give up, but don't want to. This is the stage, the Igbophobic Igboids also would tempt you into becoming abusive to them, and then they would use it to justify their distortions and allegations of Igbo desire to dominate them. This is was the stage I was always clashing with ChinenyeN in Ikwerre/Anioma related threads.

3. Bargaining.

Ehe! This is the point you would have learnt that threat of violence against Igbo resenting and even hating Igboids wouldn't happen, so you start bargaining,, looking for ways to plead to them to accept Igbo tag. You are basically on your knees at this stage, ready to accept any bullshit from them, just to have them accept they are Igbo. You also rush and defend them, and try to diminish every obvious display of Igbophobia they exhibit. Some people on this thread are on this stage. Let me not mention names. wink

4. Depression.

Aha! This was the state I was in for last two years, when I joined facebook pages of these groups and visited their towns. It's better experienced than explained. But you need to pass through it, to gain a better perspective of issues at hand.

5. Acceptance. This is the stage I'm currently in. The state at which you accept things the way they are. No ifs or buts,, no fantasies and projections, no viewing of things through rose tinted glasses, no sugar coating of issues.
This is the stage of clarity, when it all begins to make sense to you. You understand that you must work with what you have, and you would even begin to appreciate what you have, and wondered how you missed out on noticing this, because you were to obsessed with having what you don't necessarily need. Its the stage you become totally emotionally detached from the Igboids. You becone cold and real with them.


Only those who truly are patriotic to Igbo nation passees through these stages of grief. So, the fact you are passing through them, shows that your heart is at the right place, so I would say, Dalu.
My advice to you is that you stay steadfast, don't allow any thing or anyone extinguish that flame burning inside of you, because Nwanne, Igboland would need it, if we must crawl out of our present conundrum.

You're smart.
Your problem is one of political consciousness and leadership, not necessarily all these emotional appeals to reason.
A politically conscious people will gauge the temperature of the other party they're dealing with before acting or making pronouncements.
A quality that is lacking among you lots.

I always wondered why there was so much animosity to anything Igbo among their neighbors.
I was taken aback by the attitude of not even these Ikwerres to the Igbo thing, but specifically Onitsha and Aniomas in general.
You guys have bigger fish to fry with Onitsha in your very midst as they hold nothing but fresh disdain for Igbos and exhibit outright hostility to anything Igbo.

I was like, to non Igbos, Onitsha people are probably stereotypical Igbos and Onitsha is the first Igbo city that comes to mind.
Why are they hell bent on emphasising a Bini connection that accounts for less than 2% of everything that is Onitsha identity? You know despite their historical claims to Bini whatever, despite confusing Bini cultural influence with Bini origin and never being able to account for the language thing?
It was pure comedy watching grown men and women call a people whom they practically share 99% of everything with, "nwa onye Igbo".
I thought maybe hinterland Igbos must have been kicking their behinds big time in the past, only to be told they forbade marriage in the past with hinterland Igbos.
So why the hilarious attempt to distance themselves from anything Igbo?
Maybe I get it now.
A lack of social and political etiquette that mars even a strong culture like yours.
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 5:26pm On Oct 09, 2018
Handsomegod:



So why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
The above question you asked cleanly betrayed your infantile disposition and non suitability for this discussion. You failed to advance any view or argument capable of advancing this discourse. I can as well be casting my pearls to a brood of swines!
You went ahead to compare a blood thirsty,immoral,uncivilized, unconscionable and ignoble lot like Fulani's to Igbos! Smh! We are eons apart in civilization and worldview. The Fulanis who are original and one of the majority ethnic groups in Guinea and Gambia today have been reduced to endangered species in their home country because of same immoral and unvilized tendency they exhibit here in Nigeria.Same fate await them here in due time.Take that to the bank. For you to eulogize such a despicable tendency also further betrayed your moral code and humane aspirations. Needless seeking to know your provenance. Little wonder Nigeria is a zoo and an irredeemable cesspit of evil.Damn pitiful,blundering shame of a shithole.

Ha! cheesy
A neophyte talking with strong emotions!
You're really appealing to morality and ethics when it comes to power? How naive. grin

Another poser for you i.diats,
Why did the British chose to install all the major military sites in the North, help the North get higher numbers in the first census and practically hand over the new country to them?
You know despite the Hausa Fulanis such immoral, uncivilized, blood thirsty baddies as you opined?
And they're hard core jihadists not Xtians to booth?
Ever thought about it?
Why did the British not pick you good, moral, civilized and lamb like Igbo xtians?

I think I get it now, the Igbos have no experience with kingdoms, empires or state politics.
You really can't wrap your ahead around the concept of power politics can you?
If you did, you would not written that emotional juvenile verbiage.
But it's allowed. You will learn the hard way. cheesy
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 4:58pm On Oct 09, 2018
Bede2u:
the lack of tact is from u. shouting up and down and cursing me changes nothing.

80% of igbos in SE take ikwerre and anioma as igbo territories and will defend it with their blood. the rest of ur gibberish are just that....gibberish.

meanwhile learn how to talk b4 i get u banned for insults.

the fact you're blissfully ignorant of your gaffe is enough comedy on it's own grin
You are sillllyyyyy to the nth degree.
No wonder you people are always resisted by neighbours who should have been sympathetic to your cause.
Have you ever, ever wondered why the Ikwerres, Efiks, Ijaws and others have never bothered to form a political block with you id.iats?
I honestly thought that was the logical thing to do considering the historical ties, but this blew me away!
Sheep and wolves really? grin
And to think I was rooting for you i.diats. angry
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 4:41pm On Oct 09, 2018
Handsomegod:


Unlike Yorubas and Hausa-Fulani overlords, Igbos are divinely gifted in MANAGING DIVERSITY.

You may compare how the Yorubas treated Western minorities to how Igbos treated Eastern minorities.

As long as the Western Region lasted, a non-Yoruba was never allowed to be the Governor or Head of Govt or Premier or Deputy Leader or Head of House of Chiefs or Mayor in Ibadan. (The non-Yorubas in Western Region were the Itsekiri, Edo, Ishan, Urhobo, Isoko, Western Igbo, etc)

The Igbos were so egalitarian that they allowed non-Igbos to occupy most of these positions FIRST. Eyo Ita was the very first Head of Govt of Eastern region at the same time when Adaka Boro was elected first SUG President of UNN (the only University in the Region); Alhaji Umaru Altine (who arrived Enugu as a Fulani cattle rearer!) was first Mayor of Enugu; the Obong of Uyo was first leader of the Eastern house of chiefs and Margaret Ekpo was the first woman to be elected into Eastern House of Chiefs and also the leader of the NCNC women's wing; The first Governor of the Eastern Region was an Ebonyi man; the last leader of Biafra was Phillip Effiong, and all the Provinces in Biafra had governors from the indigenous people.

The first Eastern industrial estates were sited in PH and Calabar (not in present SE); the first Eastern university was sited in Nsukka - one of the Northern-most parts of Eastern Region with its other campus in Calabar (now University of Calabar); the only cattle ranch created by Eastern Region was sited in Obudu (In contrast, Awo's govt sited every MAJOR institution in the core Yoruba areas).

Ndigbo treated the Eastern minorities so well, that Gowon and the British were sure that if a plebiscite were conducted in Eastern minority areas, less than 1/3 of the minorities would vote against Biafra. So, Gowon rejected all calls made by Ojukwu for plebiscite in the Eastern minority areas.
All mentioned above and many more are verifiable history. Also,Ogonis,Anangs and other splinter groups had vital and sensitive positions allotted to them just to ensure a foundation of genuine brotherhood was built. I am still waiting for someone with superior facts to show up


Sooo why were those minorities not sympathetic to the Igbo cause after the war?
Going by your "facts" above, they should have remembered what benefits they gained from the Igbos and helped them recover right?

Let me give you a tidbit of history.
Do you have any idea the amount of carnage the Fulanis wrought in Hausa land?
Did you know Adamawa state of today was made up of lands forcefully taken from natives by mere contingent of Fulani invaders? Did you know Adamawa was even cut into two with one half going to Cameron and another going to Nigeria?
Did you know none of the Emirates across the length and breadth of the north has ever been ruled by the actual natives of those lands but only Fulanis?
Why have these natives never risen up in revolt against the very harsh and firm rule of the Fulanis?
Why are they still loyal to the Caliphate despite being ruled by an invader minority?

I will give you 5 reasons,
ability to apply the right amount of diplomacy,
ability to appeal to religious and cultural emotions ability to acquire and wield military force,
ability to play state politics,
political and economic benefits


Sadly these concepts are alien to silly id.iats like you.
You're making yourself out to be exactly what other ethnic groups think you are, a greedy landgrabber.

What exactly are you offering to them for allowing you carve them up as you wish?
What do they stand to gain by going with you and your wonderful plans?
Why did Balewa work for his Fulani lords despite the status of his people as slaves to the Bauchi emirate?
The Fulanis had something to offer, on a large scale.

You idi.ats on the other hand just about have nothing to offer yourselves, talk less of having remainders to offer a people who would suspect a gift from you without any ulterior motives.

Now what response do you expect when your motive is clearly sinister and devious?
Was this what Nnamdi Kanu had cooking? cheesy
Politics / Re: . by PabloAfricanus(m): 4:16pm On Oct 09, 2018
Bede2u:
1st of all u are a yoruba man so wat can i say to ur write-up? Afterall wasnt it ur fathers who joined an alliance with our fathers' enemies to commit genocide against my people. In wat way can ur people ever have the best interest of my ppl at heart?

2ndly u are telling me about diplomacy? how did gani adams become famous? adeyinka grandson and a host other yorubas in opc? by speading love and diploma? bitchh please. the most uncouth criticism of buhari is no longer coming from ffk, doyin okupe and fayose? Its no longer yorubas that are described as 'mouthed'?

3rdly the areas i talked about speak igbo and have igbo cultures. there is no different at all btw se igbo and these areas. just a matter of post-war politics. u think we should do nothing and let it slide?
do u knw the history of why ikwerre is not igbo today? it simple...they were part of the rivers province of old easter region. oil got discovered in their land and gowon carved them entirely out as a state. the old rivers state was dominated by ijaw who hated igbo dominance of eastern region. so these igbos fearing that the ijaws will pay them back decided that they are no longer igbos. they went on an active change of name and history to blend into rivers alongside other minorities. is that wat u want igbos to forget?

4thly. will yorubas forget lagos diplomatically if tomorrow lagosians (many of whom come from all over nigeria) decide that they want to be independent of the yoro nation? why

What a silly fooool.
Your type are destined to be used for target practice with absolutely no regrets.
Firstly, you lack tact and subtlety.
Next the word discretion is apparently alien to wherever you come from.
Lastly the lack of historical leadership figures where you come from shows in the extreme disregard for diplomacy you and your co travellers are exhibiting here.

Have you ever, ever sat down one day to ask yourself why the Ikwerres and others feel the way they do?
Like it's never bothered you for once? Or maybe you're blissfully ignorant of how they see you people?

Do you know what is frightening about your brand of stup.idity?
You're planning to rob a heavily fortified bullion van with a battalion of soldiers as escorts, and your first plan is to block the road and order both the occupants of the bullion van and the escorts to step out with their hands raised and calmly hand over the bags of cash to you. grin
All with a booming voice and brogaddacio only! cheesy

You're getting to get yourself a one way ticket to meet your ancestors, and your unfortunate co travellers will probably never get the chance to tell how hot lead feels in the body.

Why are you id.iats soooo thougthless and emotional?
If you had any semblance of superior force or compelling political strength, then your fantasies might have been excused.
Here you are, threatening to carve up lands of a people who would rather mortgage their unborn generations to the Fulanis or Yorubas than allow themselves share a mutually beneficial political arrangement with you.
I get it that this is an anonymous forum where anyone can post their thoughts, but I sincerely hope this is not how some of you Igbos are thinking.


Why do you have to compare yourselves to Yorubas?
Are they a benchmark for you?

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