pleep:
(1388–1446) "It is said that when the [slave] black man is sated, he fornicates, when he is hungry, he steals."

It has been known since time immemorial that the libido of black men & women far surpasses that of other races. It was often said that the black man is like an animal "unable to govern his sexual appetite" and the black woman was like a bytch in heat, pursuing sex far for aggressively than other races of women. This was actually the justification they used for many of the most brutal practices found during the slave trade, especially the Arab slave trade in East Africa. Including things like castration, rape and human breeding designed to regulate what was thought to be an animal instinct to mate.

Were they correct about the black libido? YES.

Black people produce much more testosterone than other races, enabling us to preform at higher physical levels, retain muscle mass and have more ehrm... poingant sexual characteristics, including sex drive. The black mans libido is no secret to the world. All our music is about sex, almost everything the average black man does can be attributed to the constant search for intimacy. The black man is a man with no standards, he will sleep with any woman no matter how fat, unnattractive or dirty.... he marries the refuse of other races and is seen as a last ditch hope for women who have lost all market value.

This would have limited effect on the black community if the limiting factor of reproduction performed at its proper capacity. By that I mean black women. So great is the amount of testosterone in the black female that her libido surpasses even that of other races of men. Many even refrain from condom use simply so they can feel fluid dripping down their vaginal walls. This has resulted in little or no regulation on black sexuality. The results are staggering. Unwed pregnancy at 72% ... an estimated 50% of black women infected with herpes according to the CDC, 9 out of 10 men admitting to r.ape in South Africa, 1/4 infected with AIDS in Lesotho, the majority of women in Nigeria committing multiple abortions before their first marriage... and the list continues

No race of man can build civilization on the foundation of his gyrating loins.

Hey kiddo are you still going on about this whole inferior african business?
Still pained your parents are black and stuff?
Not to worry, you have a whole lifetime to be the Einstein or Adolf Hitler of Africa!
That's assuming you dont get lynched for preaching ya wonderful gospel when you finally visit ya pop's village.

If you actually knew what that thing you call libido is, and what you can do with it if channeled into creative pursuits...you'd be close
to understanding why all the secret societies of the world are hush hush about their "secrets".
Africans way back and some still now possess that knowledge in different forms.
Its a simple fact...the creative force in nature which powers your subconscious drives, instincts and beliefs is what modern psychologists call libido or sex drive.
It is what is represented as the dragon, serpent etc. in all ancient religions.
It has been found to be synonymous with star light, DNA, mineral content of meteors etc.
It is what is called kundalini, orgone, mana, etc.
It has many forms and appearances...the most import form to man is when its transformed into an inner body essence for the purpose of building new brain/body cells. Its main purpose when thus transformed is to active latent/inactive portions of the human mind/brain/spirit.
This is what initiation accomplishes.
Some extract it in a refined form from human blood, animal blood and certain plants.
It can be controlled by words and incantations.
It is a living being/thing...and it is synonymous with the energy of the creator in you.

Here is a hint for ya to make it sound scientific...the pineal and pituary glands along with other glands in majority of people are either atrophied or nonfunctioning. You need a high surge of energy vibrating at a high frequency to activate them.
When activated safely and correctly...you are transformed into a "self-realized being" and with "supernatural" abilities.
Its presence in the human body keeping certain groups of brain cells alive is what makes certain men and women "powerful" and able to perform acts deemed "magical".
Its ascent and awakened functioning is what is represented by the Egyptian uraeus.
The great secret is the control of the polarity of sexual energy. Nuff said.
Dont freak out if the above sounds bat shit crazy to ya...do some reading.

Had to reply to this after amusing myself going through ya tortured posts.
Kiddo take it easy on yaself ok? Natural selection and natural drive for better living conditions will take its toll in Africa.
The tide of history has come in full circle and Africa must answer the call.
It takes people with properly channeled libido to accomplish the great feats of history.
Africans are actually blessed to possess high libido...it just needs to be channeled into creative pursuits instead of wasted in ordinary sexual activities.
Africa will develop, it was done in the past and will happen again...its part of the cycle of human history as we know it.
Here's a prayer to whatever god/entity you hold dear wishing for you to be alive to witness the uplifting of the dark skinned peoples of the world from poverty, ignorance and weakness.

Eledan:

The truth is most Nigerians are truly tired and frustrated with these whining of the people and will genuinely want them out of Nigeria.
They represent the weakest link in the chain of Nigeria unity, peace and development with their negative energy

Smh. Round about arguments with no end in sight!
Did you read the article at all? Care to address the exchange rate issues d op raised?
Are you aware how many traders from all states are currently feeling the heat?
How many of the staff of different companies laid off these past months do you know?
And yes how has the "strongest link" from Gowon to Yaradua contributed to unity, peace and development with all their positive energy? Abi is that not what you are implying?

@Zarahanair
Are you that cowardly?
Switch back to your earlier moniker if you wanna reply me with a straight face.
And you keep on confirming my assertions again and again...Kush this, Axum here, Egypt that...the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS the history of Kush/Axum/Egypt...and it is not synonymous with sub saharan africa. Except maybe in your parallel fantasy african content.

You see...you practically worship the achievements of those ancient peoples!
I can see how much you wish there was a temple to Ra, Horus or Hathor somewhere in ya village where you could refer me to view some scrolls in nsibidi abi na ancient RosskyVillage script
Have you googled what the heliacal rising of Sirius is yet? Or when are you gonna show the equivalents of the temples found in Nubia TODAY...in ya fantasy sub saharan west africa?

You.are.dull dude.and.grossly.ignorant.of.african.history.
Conflating desire with reality seems to be ya stock in trade.
I'd not bother to point out to you the silliness of all that mosaic mish mash you put up there...cos I doubt if you are aware of how offpoint your arguments are.

Since you keep on avoiding my attempts to learn from your cowardly majesty...here let me reproduce ma questions.


[b]1) The ancient Egyptians and Nubians all had a stellar religion. They worshipped the planets, stars and constellations. We've always been curious as to what existing African peoples have in relation to ancient Egypt. So what do Black Africans call Sothis and how did they calculate the heliacal rising of Sopdet(Greek Sothis, Roman Sirius)?


2) The Greeks had dealings with ancient Egyptians and ancient Greek historians have documented histories of Egyptian kings,religion, priests and cultural practices. If as you asserted Black Africans gave the Europeans civilization, then the source of a river should have even more waters flowing...right? So can we see Black African written history or hieoroglyphs or some oral history about the ancient Europeans?
You know since almost all known civilized peoples kept written records...Africa should not be an exception. After all the Egyptians and Nubians kept records?

3) Give me the name for any of these planets in any African language or culture (Mars, Mercury, Venus or Jupiter).

4) Show me a written book,religious work,scholarly work, court records or historical work done in Nsibidi by Black Africans extant anywhere in Black African that was done before the Europeans came. Mind you such a body of work must be easily verifiable by going to the said place where Nsibidi was used as a form of writing. Give dates, verifiable dates. Also do not quote any European.
[/b]

GorkoSusaay:
This is what Sultan Muhammad Bello (3 nov.1781- 25 oct. 1837) wrote about the Yoruba in Infaq al Maysur. I think it is folk etymology more than historical research.

"As for the kingdom of Yoruba it is an extensive land, full of rivers, forestry, grasslands and mountains. Amazing narratives and strange tells are related about them. To their south are the ports of the ships of the above-mentioned European Christians. The people of the lands of Yoruba are from the remnants of the people of the Banu Kan`an [Canaanite] who were the tribe of Nimrod. The reason for their dwelling in the west, based upon what has been narrated, is that Yarub ibn Qahtan drove them out from Iraq towards the west. They then journeyed between the lands of Egypt and Abyssinia until they reached the lands presently known as Yoruba. In every land in which they passed, they left behind a group of their people in that land. It is said that the indigenous Blacks who reside in the mountains (of Nuba) in this region is from them. Likewise are the people of Yauru from them. The people of this region resemble the people of Nupe. In their lands are imported this green bird which
speaks [parrot]. There are many strange and amazing stories about the people of this land. These were mentioned by Muhammad ibn Massana, the author of the Tuhfat ‘l-`Anbariyya, in his book called Azhaar ‘r-Ribba Fi Akhbaar Yoruba. "The people of this region capture (Muslim) freemen from our own lands and sell them to the above mentioned European Christians. I mention this affair to you that you will not be
among those who sell Muslims as slaves to those who seize them. This blameworthy situation of selling slaves to the European Christians has become prevalent in these lands."

A starting point in historical analysis or research is to establish parallels, similarities or correspondences as accurately as possible.
For that you need native sources. Except if you agree that a stranger who has never been to your village will be best suitable to describe the boundaries on your father's inherited lands...then I will have to ask you to share your knowledge on the following:

1) When did Yorubas hear about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and from whom?
2) If the British had not come to West Africa and the Islamists had not come to Kwara/Oyo...how would the Yorubas have heard about Abraham?
3) What is the oral or written history of Jerusalem, Abraham, Solomon, David and Moses in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?
4) What was the oral or documented history of Egypt, Canaan, Jericho, Samaria and Libya in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?

absoluteSuccess:


I am for real, I am prexios.


Don't mind my angle, tell me your side of the story.

You have learned enough of mine. And one other thing,

I'm not seeking validation from you guys cos I know the drills.

I'm never tired, but I don't want to keep telling a fool that he is a fool.

I always try to feed my threads with resources. Not muddled up stuffs.

You have read macof, go back and read my threads and call me out on one.

I'm not going to answer to gang game at this period of the year.

@the bolded, it is easy to label people with this angle as inferiority complex,

tell your side of the African story, then you will see it is no history.

It would be filled to the brim with your worldview, no conclusive answer.

thanks.

That is the problem I have with folks that reason like you do
You deliberately ignored my questions and denied my the opportunity to learn from your precious research?
Haba! You can do better. Here, kindly share your knowledge:

I'll pose these same questions I put at those silly Igbos who toed this same line:
1) When did Yorubas hear about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and from whom?
2) If the British had not come to West Africa and the Islamists had not come to Kwara/Oyo...how would the Yorubas have heard about Abraham?
3) What is the oral or written history of Jerusalem, Abraham, Solomon, David and Moses in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?
4) What was the oral or documented history of Egypt, Canaan, Jericho, Samaria and Libya in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?

macof:


Bro, I've been active in protecting the yoruba pride. I can't stand and watch inferiority complex and religious sentiments destroy the yoruba nation

If you watch my posts well, you'll see I ask questions that none of these wannabe hebrews have no answer to


Yoruba are hebrews yet we left our beloved Yahweh and resorted to veneration of 401 Irunmoles We have no knowledge of hebrew ancestors No records of our journey from the middle-east

That's why I say afrocentrists are the second group of people(after African religiotards) damaging african pride and bringing shame to our ancestors. .. rather than concentrate on Africa, they cling to non black people and claim they built their civilization

You know it really bites when you see a full grown black man realize his stark impotence and apparent lack of historical significance in the midst of the Whites. Being powerless in the face of a stronger neighbour or foe is not a bad thing per se...except if you do nothing about it.
It becomes bad when to make up for his feeling of impotence or low self worth...one starts inventing grandiose histories to make oneself feel good. African posterity will be confronted with the realities of today's African men who have refused to build a world class legacy for them.

Afrocentrists can postulate,extrapolate,attach,glorify and massage as much African history as they feel like...the reality is that the African continent has been owned...literally
We need to come to terms clearly with that reality. No need to sugar coat it or white wash it. IMO, it is only then we Africans can get a clear bearing on where we are coming from...before we can even begin to talk of moving forward.

Right now, our so called elders and "leaders" have refused to confront their cowardice in the face of Western Imperialism.
Our surviving native traditional practitioners are still holding their "secrets and mysteries" to their chests.
Imagine what the world would have lost if Africans discovered electricity and telephony?
Our "leaders of thought" are so cool with the damage done to the African psyche by imported religions...that they till today still budget millions for "pilgrimages" to Meccas and Jerusalems of the Arabs and Jews.
Sharing of knowledge is still a strange concept to most Africans...some will deny it...but tell me how many public libraries are filled with self published books by local authorities and how well African history is being taught in our schools.

Having said all that, I think those guys above are just projecting their inherited sense of low self worth. Claiming histories and historical personalities whom even your fathers cannot produce the native form of their names in local dialects...is plain silly.
Rather than document first of all whatever history we have as Africans, they rely mostly on Western sources for events that happened in their backyard!
To the best of my knowledge, none of the artifacts, writings, social structures, warfare methods of the Middle East is replicated anywhere in contemporary or ancient sub Saharan Africa...and yet some folks actually think its cool to disregard lack of historical evidence and transliterate Lamurudu to Nimrod abi na Imran
Yeye

Unbelievable!
Like WTF??
I thought it was only the Igbos who play this Semitic cum Jewish game?
DuduNegro and prexious...are you guys for real?
Imran,Ur, Giesi,Geese,Jesse...all lumped up and transliterated to Yoruba?
Kai, the black man really has been eaten up with inferiority complex!
And macof I've followed your posts for a while now...no word of reprimand for these low self esteem guys?

I'll pose these same questions I put at those silly Igbos who toed this same line:
1) When did Yorubas hear about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and from whom?
2) If the British had not come to West Africa and the Islamists had not come to Kwara/Oyo...how would the Yorubas have heard about Abraham?
3) What is the oral or written history of Jerusalem, Abraham, Solomon, David and Moses in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?
4) What was the oral or documented history of Egypt, Canaan, Jericho, Samaria and Libya in Yoruba land before the Islamists or whites arrived?

That should be a good starting point to draw the line between creative histories, historical improvisations and plain outright silliness.

Mind you, all known cultures who had any dealing with Middle Eastern peoples have written or oral verifiable histories...complete with dates, historical personalities and factual events as others remembered them. The Ethiopians still had the Book of Enoch complete with them even when a single copy could not be found among the so called Jews of Europe. The ruins of Axum are enough evidence to link her ancient inhabitants to Egypt. Why do conquered and colonized Africans who were literally told the story of Mohammed, Jesus Christ and Abraham...want to invent histories around peoples they never knew or heard about?

Truckpusher:
Great points my friend .
But think again what do you think will happen if the old regional structure is restored under a democratic govt?
You'll see the emergence of fearless and eloquent and violent outspoken personalities like Nnamdi Kanu and Asari Dokubo which will lead to the benching of the old order in the South which do not have a strong control over their own people like the North and if these guys are pan Africanist in nature it will rubbish the old order which will send out a strong message to their counterpart in the North and with the shades of Islam they are so done.
This is the last thing the house master wants to see it happen.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Northern elites aren't bothered about the level of illiteracy in the North while their Southern counterpart aren't bothered about the poverty rate and ignorance in the South? The logic simple;keep them hungry and uneducated and watch them scramble to survive. But feed them and give them education and watch them ask hard questions.
Nigeria needs education but we are too polarized on region, religion and ethnicity that it will take the intervention of the gods to free us from ourselves.
Eloquent, violent and fearless individuals is what any govt fears most. They are a catalyst to a revolution.

Actually...it does not have to revert back to the old tripod of Hausa,Igbo and Yoruba.
You will agree with me that political consciousness and awareness has grown across all ethnic groups in Nigeria.
Almost all minorities have more educated political players than what was obtained back then.
That means the era of state creation by fiat is gone, also the lumping of incompatible groups with each other.
Let every group mix and match themselves as needed...ofcourse within reasonable limits...so it doesnt end up being a joke.
I say, the number of regions could be increased within reasonable limits. The USA is a living testimony to what individual states can accomplish with relative autonomy from the center.

Those who do not want to identify with say the Igbos can join whomever they feel comfy with.
The Tivs and Beroms can finally get the Hausas or Fulanis out of their land if they feel like.
Thing is no one group should manage the destiny of another to their detriment.
In my opinion, the FIRST THING that needs to be done away with is the Obasanjo's Land Use Act.
The fact that Nigerians of all ethnicities have not risen up to ask for Obasanjo's head over that Act till now tells me how intelligent
our so called educated men and women are.

That Land Use Act favours a select few who are hell bent on milking the country dry from the centre.
And ofcourse, I see the hand of the Westerners played out in that move. It was apparently a smart move to keep the petrodollars in the hands of the landlords of then Dodan Barracks and now Aso rock.
Fact of the matter is there has been no incentive for state governments to raise revenue independently...and even more there has been NO COMPETITION to drive regional development policies.

Imagine what revenue Osun state can generate RIGHT NOW by granting gold mining licenses to Chinese or Indian companies.
Ponder for a while on what Awolowo and the brilliant minds he brought together would have wrought in the SW if the old region had existed till now. Or what the forward thinking Michael Okpara would have done across the Eastern region. Even the North would have grown into a veritable food basket for West Africa.
The Niger Delta are not even aware they are the biggest losers in this resource extraction game.
When the onshore wells finally dry up...their already destroyed ecosystem will be left for them to manage.
The North still have the ace card, their lands, farms and waters are still in tact.

Each region should have the autonomy to use resources on its land to generate revenue.
The Executive should focus squarely on taxation,the civil and foreign service and armed forces.
Any other abrogation of powers that should be inherent in regional or state governments should be prevented.
I think Nigerians know enough now never to allow smooth talking ethnic baiters to talk them into running the current unproductive federal structure. Its a journey to no where.

We need each other actually, the integration has already happened and the market force of the Nigerian population ensures we remain a regional powerhouse in Africa. Squandering that opportunity after all these years of pain and suffering will be foolish IMO.
At the end of the day, superior minds and superior administration will make or mar the economic prosperity of any region.
Voting in one inept government after another will not solve any of the problems facing us.
Abi how you take see am?

Truckpusher:
This is the same message we've been passing to them.
These power drunk oligarchs in the North and their foot soldiers in other regions are looking for an excuse to bring the SE and SS down and it seems the SE is willing to give them that opportunity - The gains made by the Igbo man after the civil war which was followed by repression and policies of subjugation shouldn't be sacrificed on the alter of ego trips and some level of perceived strength.
You do not give a perceived enemy the opportunity to start his madness until he's on a point where you can deal with him mercilessly on your own terms .Ojukwu fell for it and it would be madness to use the same method that failed before in such a sensitive issue such as secession.
Countries like Nigeria do not divide with the leaders of the different regions holding hands and singing * one love * but divides with the bloods of patriots and citizens pouring like water.However, one must make sure that it is not your own blood or that of your own people that will pay the ultimate price and make the ultimate sacrifice.
Common sense must be applied even in the face of dehumanization and slavery else you'll give whoever that is enslaving you the opportunity to do whatever he wishes. This is common sense.

Exactimo!
Now thats a cold blooded view of reality! No passions
Care to pass on this to your brothers agitating without an agenda…or plan to garner the support of those whose opinion counts most in this issue?

Truckpusher:
If anyone from the SS and SE thinks that the Anglo-American empire will support any liberal and capitalist leaning black man from this gulf of Guinea should visit a psychiatrist.
The west will prefer to help the feudal North against the liberal South and this was proven in 1967 even as they were Christians and Catholic.
I've seen the West for who they are and I'll not even entrust them with my emancipation at any point - The west do not help any country that run with the same ideology with them especially countries they've exploited before colonization.
As a young boy I had the same mentality but I can tell you that these guys in number 10 Downing Street and Washignton will never help you achieve emancipation from the their appointed guardian of the black gold which is in your backyard - Forget all the shouts of "death to America" their elites are in bed with the west.
Those that do not understand and know the importance of historical events will only continue to rely on the same people that put them where they are.
It might interest you to know that a bulk of the black soldiers that helped the British to subdue the great Benin empire during the punitive expedition were of Hausa/Fulani extraction.

Insightful comment!
I might add the entire network of Nigerian freemasons, sizeable chunk of foreign trained military officers, diplomats… off all ethinicities are complicit in the sellout of black africa.
A permanent residence status in Europe and US, diplomatic coverage for laundering looted funds, and ofcourse support in rigging elections...are the carrots the colonials have used in baiting these low self esteem african "leaders".
Its not just a northern thing…you need collaborators from all regions to hold a country as large as Nigeria in such a brutal stranglehold.
So in your opinion, what are the possible options going forward?
Apparently the Hausa/Fulani are the house masters in the Nigeria project(not a bad thing…someone has to lead).
What needs to be done...by all affected groups to get the dividends of good governance, petrodollar revenues to the common man?
I think a return to the old regional structure would be a viable starting point.

absoluteSuccess:


Your race is on the tandem with your ancestors,

Your tribe is like your father,

Your contemporary countrymen are your brothers,

Your audience as an old man are your children.

the illustration you used above depicts you as 'a father of his nation.'

this can only be if you are like Mandela or Lincoln.

These men were caught on the 'wrong' side, but they identified with the totality of their people, either good or bad, no division. They sacrificed genuinely to be dignified as father of their country.

Have you made a sacrifice ever? Do you not create caste to divide and rule?

And you think like 'I am the best'...

Then you are suffering from grandiose-delution.

You can't correct your ancestors, you can only honour them.

Another thing is to encourage your contemporaries.

Learn before you teach.

Stop checkmating, your IQ is to low for that, learn first.

Easy on him bro...he's just projecting his anger on his kith and kin.
It has just dawned on him the level of work that needs to be done to develop Africa to world class standards.
Rather than see it as a call to duty...he's just chickening out and ranting to cover his cowardice.
Just like other Africans of his ilk who shirked the responsibility to develop Africa and ran away to Western countries...reality will hit him hard one day...when he's reminded of his status as a foreign black immigrant.
He doesnt belong there...and he knows it.
kleek here's a poser for ya....generations to come will call you and I cowards for not doing something about the condition of Africa.
Any ideas?

kleek:


Nope, i'm not flattering myself. My father grew up in a dirt poor village, not even in the city. They got their water from a stream just like any other poor people in Nigeria. He became successful literally though academics. I hate to burst your bubble, but when someone is the best student in every single class they take doors tend to open for them.

..... maybe you have never been in the situation, and thats why you dont know?

There's the rub of it dude...you actually think your privilege of having a father who struggled to provide an enabling environment for you in a white man's country equates to you being "special". Do you know how many millions of Africans have migrated into Europe, America and Asia over the years? It is expected that you will receive a superior education from superior educational institutions over there in Western countries...by virtue of the fact that Western universities are more excellent than African ones.
That applies to you and all children of African immigrants out there. If you excelled there...its not entirely attributable to your perceived genetics or what not. Environment plays a large part. Also you could actually come from a family of really smart folks...and yes their smartness woulda rubbed of you too. But attributing some "superior" IQ to yaself cos you were privileged to acquire a better education due to ya pop's efforts reeks of inferiority complex. You got no point to prove. Time and chance just aligned well for you.

kleek:

And you are preaching to the choir with all this. I have already decided I will go back to Africa, for either business, non-profit work or politics.

I don't believe ya. Buzz me up when you have packed and come back to Africa...and have actually joined a political party or started making moves to bring positive visible change to Africa.

@kleek

Dude all I see is self hate and different shades of self loathing in ya posts.
As I have noted in the other thread… you flatter yaself.
I'm sure a decade or more of living amidst planned, functional and prosperous white communities has reinforced ya disgust at all things african.
Go thru ya posts… you got no love for black africa.
The nerve of you to propose eugenics
If youhad any semblance of familiarity with history…you would know the first step in developing africa would be to start building WELL PLANNED and FUNCTIONAL CITIES. That will naturally enable those who can afford it and those who are intellectually capable of contributing to its development have a foothold on which to spread a rennaisance to other backward hinterlands.
The fact that you blindly bought into the eugenics delusion and lie of unsustainable population growth… just shows how low ya so called IQ is.
Every thriving and prosperous society needs
1. A large local or international market…who will drive trade & commerce? Supply & demand?
2. A large and capable workforce… different configurations of slave labour is needed to keep the engines running
3. A large and well trained figting force… who will defend your utopian paradise from potential colonizers and invaders?

And you need to work on ya hate and uncouthness… we are all here to rub minds and learn from each other… your opinion remains yours and will never be absolute fact or truth.

Having said all that…my final take is…development by proximity is what i call my philosophy of developing africa.
Read up in the history of the founding of the following cities… Alexandria, New York, Boston, Venice, Hong Kong, California, Cape Town, even our own Lagos.
Developed urban centers promising readily available economic opportunities attract the best hands and talent from surrounding rural areas.
Over time, the urban centers get filled up… and newer migrants overflow to surrounding rural areas. Newer communities, towns and cities thus spring up naturally.
Thats pretty how much of the big prosperous cities of the world grew. You need strong prosperous urban centers.

Strong and visionary minds are needed to plan, build and maintain such cities to world class standards.
Sadly… I dont think you'd fit in among any group of genuine african intellectuals.
You'd just poison their minds with your self hate and intolerance… not to mention your grand delusions of "intelligence".
You appear to hate yourself, your status as a black african and other africans.
You have not demonstrated one trait of successful leaders… empathy for others.
Get over yaself…you flatter urself.
No man lives or dies to himself. The leaders of tomorrow will arise from those masses of people you call dumb and ignorant. See the good too… its there buried in the grime and dirt.

kleek:

What if that man pulled himself out of the sinking boat? What if he had the genetic gift of being able to swim, or what if he taught himself how to swim while the others were lazy and care free? Those are the questions you need to ask yourself to have a balanced viewpoint on whether or not someone should feel arrogant.

Nope. From your arguments...you made it sound like other Africans are to blamed for not being privileged like your family...you know the American education thingy. Thing is there are also many intelligent and probably smarter folks here in Africa like you...you just happen to be among the privileged few to escape the mediocrity obtainable down here. That's what it is.
It's not a function of superior "intelligence" or some super gene you have. If you had not been privileged and still lived in Africa with ya fam...I'm pretty sure you would have either accepted your fate and quit complaining or just gone nuts with frustration.

kleek:

As for my 'so called intelligence' being a direct function of being around whites that is complete nonsense. My dad came here as a smart person, he got a scholarship because of his academic ability. My intelligence is a function of having a smart parent. IQ is .5 to .8 heritable, smart people usually have smart kids and dumb people usually have dumb kids.

This is self evident, but if you want further proof there have been studies. In children that were adopted IQ has been found to be correlated to the birth parent and completely unrelated to the adoptive parents. Twins separated at birth have similar IQ's even when they grow up in radically different situations.

The best example proving the heritability of IQ is the Nobel Laureate Sperm Bank, which only use the semen of high IQ men. Most of the resulting children also grew up to be IQ.

All the stuff you are quoting up there was developed or taught you by...white men. All that Nobel Laurate Sperm Bank thingy...LOL
Imagine you living off the hard work and ingenuity of white men...turning around to call your brothers in ya village idiats.
You are just another black African immigrant...neither you nor your forefathers contributed to the building plan of say New York or DC.
You are living off the magnanimous nature of white men who allowed your family settle and prosper in their midst.
The social amenities you are enjoying were planned, implemented and financed by white men.
All the buzz words about intelligence you are throwing around were invented by white men.
Your disgust at the backwardness of where you come from is understandable...but who will develop your village to be like Manhattan?
Who will undertake the task of organizing your backward village to have a semblance of say crime ridden Compton...huh?
You like many black Africans of your ilk who revel in their perceived "intelligence" are only running away from your responsibility.
In plain words...you flatter your self and your status.

Back to the topic...
The Europeans when they landed on the shores of North America met it a virgin fertile land peopled by native indians living off the land.
They single handled turned that vast expanse of land into the beautiful urban paradise you revel in today.
Infact your forefathers contributed their own bit by selling the white their kith/kin to pick cotton in the white men's farms and siring more slaves to continue harvesting more cotton for massa. How dumb or intelligent is that?
From the political system to the business/industrial sector to the vibrant American culture...it was the genius of white men that made it happen.
Who will do the same for Africa?
Any takes?

kleek:

Intellectual honesty is very important, politeness and cordiality on the internet are not. If I see the person I am speaking with is honest, forthright and intelligent I will address them as such, but I have zero tolerance for anything else. Instead of criticizing the way I talk to people who are intellectually dishonest you should be criticizing them.

Well, you cant win someone over by painting them all colors of nasty.
Even if you are dealing with flat out dumbos...a measure of courtesy is called for.
No one signed out here to read what you have to say. We are all here to rub minds...and yes no one knows it all.
I could actually learn from you....if you could put in a form that will get across to me.
We need solutions bro...not endless dissecting of perceived or real problems.
My take is once you are able to identify and analyze problems...the solutions should be self evident.
Lets focus on solutions.

Interesting discussion. My contributions.

@kleek
You can actually make your points without the latent hate spilling through
However, IMO you went off on a tangent, the first man out of 50 to be pulled out of a sinking boat, cannot claim superiority of any type over the rest yet to be pulled out.
Your so called intelligence going by your arguments can be shown to be a direct function of your being around whites.
Had you, your father and brothers not had the opportunity to leave "the shyte hole" of a place you came from aka afrika...its a guess if you would have ever heard the words "actuarial science", "calculus", "risk modelling" etc.
You prolly be one of the ignorant masses believing a Jewish sky daddy and his alter ego son are the best thing since roasted yam.
Or you might be one of the many proponents of "african culture and tradition" who never bother to question why their forefathers were so weak as to be colonized, conquered and totally owned by a handle of European traders.
Your words appear to lack empathy. Get over yourself...you're not that important.

@topic
After studying the matter, my take is that Africans appear to lack advanced intellectual capacity.
Or better put...dislike utilizing their minds.
Intellectual capacity here defined as the ability to conceptualize, model,document and apply the known sciences to any goal that alleviates the problems/challenges/issues faced by the public/people.


Here in Africa, our greatest challenge in no particular order is:
1)a dislike of beauty, order, organization, knowledge and logical reasoning.
2)a lack of nationalistic feeling.
3)a lack of spiritual consciousness.


Lemme prove my point....

DISLIKE OF BEAUTY, ORGANIZATION, KNOWLEDGE AND LOGICAL REASONING
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I do not know if its a factor of our DNA or some other unknown genetics...but Africans in general abhor activities that are intellectually tasking.
A demonstrable lack of imagination has been the defining factor of all things African.
To prove to you the above, imagine if the governor of Lagos state were to evacuate Ajegunle today and instead hand over the entire land in Ajegunle to a group of say Americans...something like a land grant. They are to build,develop and live...maybe turn the area into a tax free zone to attract American investors.
You'll agree with me that among the first things the Americans would put in place would include (1) well tarred and designed road networks (2) functioning electric power plants (3) functioning water plants (4) functioning drainage and waste disposal systems (5) beautiful houses (6) functional security apparatus.

And guess what? All of the above would be done with "credit". So the argument of "no money" and "no budget" does not apply.
You and I know where the credit if secured would likely end up.
Reverse the case and tell me why serving politicians would live in water logged and swampy Lekki, Ikoyi and VI...with epileptic power supply, annual flooding, dirt filled open gutters and what not. Even Abuja the capital does not have 24 hrs light! Year after year, government after government, administration after administration.
The white man will probably tell you...he cannot live in such squalor. His eyes will hurt from beholding such ugliness and dirtiness.
Not just that...he will actually do something about it!

Compare the cost and output of China's Three Gorges Dam against Obasanjo's $16 BILLION wasted generating darkness.
Why cant we Africans do something about our lands...for our own selves? Or are we in love with the squalor we called "african cities"?

LACK OF NATIONALIST FEELING
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Check out the fact that African countries have not been able to break free of economic slavery to the West many years after "independence" from their colonizers.
If African leaders loved their lands/countries....their first task would have been to catch up with the rest of the world in terms of living standards.
They prefer to buy estates and mansions in London, New Jersey, Monaco and Paris.
A country where serving governors routinely jet out to western countries for medical treatment...never mind all the budget "allocated" for health. Where ministers do not trust our own doctors to treat their own children. WhereLinda Ikeji announces the graduation of the sons and daughters of our serving governors and politicians...and the people find it cool!

No sacrifice would have been too small or too great to wash off the shame of Western domination of the black man.
Why do our politicians routinely loot their public treasuries and cart the money away to western banks?
Some of them even drive lobby for loans in partnership with corrupt western bankers...only to loot and return the loans to the same banks.
Add to that a major oil producing country not able to refine her crude...but relies entirely on imported refined products.
Could not get worse.

LACK OF SPIRITUAL AWARENESS
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By spiritual awareness, I mean a recognition of the fact that indeed life is temporary, and one has to provide for posterity.
Also I mean an awareness of the fact that parents must build a solid foundation for their children so they do not repeat the mistakes,errors and sufferings of the past.
The Japanese from the Meiji Era discovered indeed that the West had superior living standards, military, education, technology and knowledge.
They adopted and adapted Western technology and were actually able to form an alliance with Germany during WW2.
The Japanese emperor and his government were able to complete modernize Japan within decades.
The Chinese under Mao(I'm not discounting the genocide they committed on their people) were able to position China as a global industrial powerhouse. They could have diverted the billions of forex flowing into China into private coffers, but they did not...it was directed into massive education, industrialization and urban development projects.
Check out Singapore, Malaysia and Saudi Arabia. Despite Western interference, their leaders managed to develop their lands after the whites exited.
The culture of gross disregard for posterity and pressing needs and senseless looting needs to be replaced with one where durable infrastructure is built and maintained for us and by us. Its our own thing after all. No white man bar another round of colonization will do it for us.


POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
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The good news is that like all acquired or learned traits...knowledge can be learnt.
Now that we know human beings can grow new brain cells, it means practically anybody with enough determination can acquire any kind of knowledge deemed useful.
So Africans are only unintelligent so long as they refuse to learn and adapt knowledge.
A few years from now, what we now know as cutting edge tech will be laughably seen as obsolete.
Same way we view the TV sets of the 40s and 50s.
The power of science and technology is such that any group or race of people who possess it in a superior form and can successfully apply that knowledge independently...will be at an advantage economic and political wise. The history of Europe versus the rest of the world bears that out.
The challenge for us Africans is to get up and do our own thing.
The only obstacle is within us. Not the white man or anyone.
We Africans can learn, adapt and improve on the existing knowledge spectrum in use globally.
We simply need leaders and visionaries who can stay the course and guide the growth.

neocortex:


With regards to operation northwood , it is the US government who declassified
the information for accountability sake, not some good samaritan.
It is always a good strategy to be skeptical of anyone who claim
to have "secret" knowledge of governments without providing
any evidence to back up their claims.

Ofcourse, a lot of information WAS ONLY MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC after declassification by US intelligence.
But then you seem to credit US intelligence with too many powers.
Mind you there are foreign spies, moles and fifth columnists whose only job is to infiltrate and ferret out information.
This information can be made public for any purposes ranging from economic sabotage to political shaming.
There is no way US or her allies can completely control or preempt the activities of such paid agents.
Also there are indeed INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS and CITIZENS who are not fearful like us over here in Africa.
You cant discount that.
For economic and financial reasons, the interests of the US will always clash with that of her allies and rivals.
It was US intelligence that was employed in driving Russia out of Afghanistan and depriving them of the opportunity to pipe gas to Europe through Afghanistan.
It was Russian intelligence that defeated exposed the machinations of America's empire in propping up Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey.
This woke up Iran to the reality of the big game going on...hence their opting to be nuclear capable.
I could go on.
It is not a case of "secret knowledge" but the ability to interpret PUBLICLY VISIBLE global political events and build of arms, forces, alliances and treaties.
Like why Russia had to be stopped from building new gas pipe lines through Northern Europe or through Afghanistan.
You need a solid grasp of history to even make sense of certain things happening now a days...else you'd just take whatever the mainstream media throws at you. Like why Russia has rights to Crimea, or why China has rights to Hong Kong or Taiwan.

neocortex:

You believe there is a full proof defense somewhere, but it doesn't
exist, not NORAD, not PATRIOT defense, they are all machines and
are bound to fail due to accidents or human negligence.

Ofcourse, every system built by man can never be fool proof.
If American airspace were that porous INTERNALLY...then Russia and China would have established one or two military bases
around US boundaries. Just like the US has China and Russia ringed with multiple operational military bases.
However, your above quote tells me you have either not researched NORAD well or have not digested the events that took place on 9/11 well.
I suggest you do.

neocortex:

To me circumstantial evidence and some "experts" is too weak to be made
a basis for a grand conspiracy. "If he was there, he must have done it".
Those "evidence" doesn't fly in the face of serious scrutiny.

Those Arab terrorists could obviously fly planes , I don't know where you got
your info from. While those men may have received authority's help
deliberately or otherwise, how can we then make a leap of faith and
point fingers indiscriminately at anyone who fits the narrative ?

Are you aware that some part of the 9/11 reports are still classified till today,
do you care to know what is in the classified part ?
Or do you believe the myriads of theories are sufficient

I can remember how a Nigerian plane was hijacked during the Abacha struggles,
and there are many plane hijacks by ragtag groups which we can conclude that
there is nothing special about hijacking a civilian plane.

I get your point here....but you also need to open your eyes and trust your reasoning sometimes.
If water starts flowing uphill...SOMETHING MUST HAVE CHANGED!
Or something must have CAUSED it.
Nothing conspiratorial about that.
Lots of American scientists challenged the official reports that a plane rammed into the Towers on 911.
Evidence was submitted indicating that the fuel contained in those planes that allegedly flew into the towers,
WAS NOT ENOUGH to burn down the ENTIRE TOWERS.
It was built to withstand even greater impacts!
Analysis of the released videos and eye witness reports...indicate a controlled demolition.
A quick Google search should give you some ideas of what OTHER Americans think.
I do not have all the facts...so I will not jump to conclusions.
But try and analyze the official reports...line them up with the refutations and dissenters...and see if they match up.
That's one of the best ways to even begin to form an opinion.
Infact, the basic false flag operation is to cause harm to your own citizens or destroy your own property...to blame a real or perceived enemy.
This particular tactic has in most cases never lost its efficacy...no matter how sloppy the execution.
The incredulity of the general public is far,far more huge than you probably think.

neocortex:

It is actually common thing with us humans to fill a void with our own imaginations,
"something/someone big must be out there".

I believe books are as effective as the person reading it, anyone can write
a book, but it is the readers perogative to avoid unnecessarily getting drawn
into the authors ideology.

Note , my submission is not to absolve US or its elements
of complicity in all terror attacks. My point is that generalization
and conspiracy is a poor refuge for the lazy.

Lol...I get your point.
See it this way...there are people who have it in their power to exploit others, resources and wealth.
They will do whatever they can to take over, loot, burn, rape, steal and enslave others.
They will lie, cheat, murder to get their way. Its human nature.
You cannot wish it away or pretend it does not exist.
Try this, find out how many empires and colonies of the Portuguese, French, Spanish and Dutch the British took over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_the_Americas
Its the same old game the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans were playing...and now the Spanish, British and Americans are playing out.

If you call the expositions on the apparent 911 discrepancies "conspiracy theories"...what will you call the American establishment of over 700 military bases in 63 countries by the US?
What is AFRICOM doing in Liberia?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-united-states-probably-has-more-foreign-military-bases-than-any-other-people-nation-or-empire-in-history/


Watch Colin Powell's lies to justify America's invasion of Iraq...so conveniently now exposed by the venerable HuffingtonPost ten years after Iraq had been invaded and colonized!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-schwarz/colin-powell-wmd-iraq-war_b_2624620.html
http://crooksandliars.com/heather/colin-powell-continues-defend-wmd-lies-ira
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_442

Back then Powell and the American military complex were roundly exposed by so-called "conspiracy" theorists,
while some just hushed them down and responded the exact way you are responding.
A few years later...even Bush could not articulate a meaningful statement whether Saddam had WMDs or not.
Guess what, what was the first act of the Americans once they invaded and secured Baghdad?
Look it up and lemme know.

Thing is there strong, stronger, weak, and weaker forces at play in the global political space.
Its a game of empire and scramble for control of resources and means of wealth creation.
If you understand the above and have studied the rise/fall of empires...you will not find certain stories strange or "conspiratorial".

llcoolj:
I've read all the comments made relating to this issue, and in the process I decided to reply Ikechukwu A. Ogu. Ikechukwu; as much as I disagree with your views on this matter, I cannot help but to admire your writing, as well as your in-dept knowledge of history as it relates to this issue. I also respect your ability respect the ideas and thoughts of others, and only hope that bloggers will follow suit. I want to first of all express the true fact that my objection to Ikwerre being Igbo has nothing to do with any personal hatred for the Igbos. As a matter of fact, over the years I've developed a special affinity for the Igbo people for their Heroism in standing up against the Nigeria government and all their cohorts (Britain) during the civil war. While I do not subscribe to Biafra; I cannot pretend not to see-in this present day-what Ojukwu saw 49 years ago that moved him into his crusade. let it be made clear that Isaac Adaka Boro saw the same thing and waged war, but was unsuccessful. If the Igbo's had treated the minority better prior to the war I believe that the story would have been different. While differences do exist between the Igbo's and the River state people (Ikwerre in particular), one can not object to the true fact that Gowon needs to be tried for war crimes following the genocide he attempted on the Igbo people- dropping bombs on innocent civilians as his military campaign progressed past river Niger into Onitsha. Presently in America, you can see Igbos', Yorubas and other tribes doing well in the country to the point that people from neighboring African countries are intimidated by us Nigerians.

I object to your statements because the Ikwerre people have their history, which has been passed down from generation-to-generation. The Ihuruoha (Ihuha) people must preserve their history else, it will be eroded by the mighty stream of Igbo influence. The Ikwerre group has been Identified in Nigeria as an independent ethnic group, and they have the constitutional right to be perceived as such; as a measure to preserve what is left of their true Identity and culture (if any).

I want to use this opportunity to respond to some of the issues you raised. In south America today, most people speak Spanish language-even though they are Hispanics. The fact that they speak this language doesn't mean that they are Spaniards. They are a people who were colonized by the Spanish. In the process of the colonization, they lost their native language and cultivated the culture of the colonial master. Part of that culture exists today in the state of Texas in USA. Cowboys are known to be Spaniards, but when you talk about cow-boys today everyone thinks about Texans. That a group of people speak a particular language doesn't imply that that's whom they are. History tells us that people have migrated from place to place-asserting or blending themselves with the new environment-either by their own desire, political benefits or pressure by rulers of their new found land.

It is self evident that our ancestors did not document thing on paper, but by telling moon-light stories to the younger generation. As a kid, I asked my father and uncle if Ikwerre was Igbo. If the history they told me stated that this tribe was Igbo, I wouldn't have had a problem accepting it. But the same story that Dibia has told in this forum was what was told to me years ago. So I plead with everyone who disagrees with him to know that he didn't cook-up this story. This is what our elders actually told us about our history, and we are going by that. you made a statement that there's no document showing that the Igbo's colonized Ikwerres'. However; the story according to our fathers is that the Igbo's where very influential and usually had people in place of authority. They cultivated their position as a tool to nab the resources in Ikwerre land, and the indigenous people had no say for the fear of their lives, possible slavery or jail term. This lead to the Ikwerre's accepting more of the Igbo names as a means of retaining what belonged to them. I want to also note that over the years there's been inter-marriage between the Igbo's and the Ikwerre's, and since the Ibo people are very influential and larger in number than the Ikwerre's, this has also impacted the language of Ikwerre people. Igbo's were so influential in River State that the entire state conducted trade, church services and meetings with Igbo language. Towns and Villages were replaced with Igbo names to signify their presence and ownership. Igbo language was the English of the day. Again; Ihuruoha who is the ancestor of Ikwerre people was not born in Benin land. The only child of Akalaka who was born in Benin land was Ekpeye. Ogba is as a result of a marriage for acceptance in Agbo; and I believe that this inter-marriage between Akalaka and an Ndoni woman reflects in Ogba's name. Ihuruoha was born by Akalaka's first wife in Ndoni area, by this time, Akalaka and his family were already speaking the language of the land where they found themselves. Technically, the only son of Akalaka who probably spoke Benin language would be the first son Ekpeye. It should also be noted that as Akalaka's sons grew, they married women who were not from Benin, but from the strange land where they found themselves (Igbo's, Ijaws and Igbo slaves who escaped slavery etc). As they moved southwards (Epkeye, Ihuruoha, Etche, Ogba) they encountered more Igbo's (Aru people) who were known for trading. This increased inter-marriage and mingling, and by this time, the descendants of Akalaka-who knew little or nothing about there language and culture-must have assimilated into the culture of their present. The Ijaws also have a history that the ikwerre's are a combination of Ijaw and Igbo. While this is a hypothesis, It's true that part of the people of obigbo, and those who are at the boundary between Rivers State and Abia are Ijaws who migrated to the area and cultivated the culture and language of the Igbo people. I also noticed that you referenced Elechi Amadi's admission that the idea that Ikwerre's are Igbo's is a point of view held by some Ikwerre's. The writer of "The Concubine" is someone that I admire so much. I believe he's one of the great minds of Ikwerre and nigeria at large; and I don not object to the true fact that his views are held in high esteem. But let's get something straight here. The Aru's leaved among the Ikwerre people for years. They were very wealthy and Influential in Ikwerre land and they owned lots of properties. However, after the civil war ended in 1970, Captain Elechi Amadi mobilized troops to case the Aru people away from Ikwerre land. If he believed that Ikwerre's are Igbo's, then why case away your own brother? Till this present day, we the Ikwerre people know those Aru people who never left. They exist in Elele, Iguruta etc. The truth of the matter is that, even the village where Elechi Amadi hales from is deemed Igbo. The name of the village up till this day is mbodo; which in Igbo language is mba-odo (foriegn people). they are the only village in Aluu whose name does not start with Omu; and in the old days, they were usually called upon last to make any form donations or partake in any form of activity in the town. the reason for this last-child recognition is based on the fact that they are regarded as foreigners. So I will disregard his comments as it pertains to this issue since they are not factual, but could be linked to his own roots. Now; I will not dismiss the fact that Ikwerre's have cultivated this tribal balance to their own advantage in time of need. In those days, they were know to call upon the Igbo's to come to their rescue whenever they were involved in tribal wars with neighboring tribes such as kalabari, Ijaw and Okrika; tribes that had been better armed by the white man for warfare. But when the civil war commenced; the Ikwerre people saw it as an opportunity to escape the brutal feet of oppression that has captivated them for centuries. They opened their borders to the Nigerian army, and denounced any link with the Igbo's after the war. This gave rise to a nick-name for Ikwerre people, and up till today some Igbo's call Ikwerre people "Sabo"; meaning saboteurs. This post war hatred has lingered for decades, and the Ikwerre people who were once known to marry Igbo's to gain recognition and acceptance now cautioning their off springs to avoid inter-marriage with the Igbo's. I'm glad that the youths of the 21st century are ignoring these status-quo as they pursue marriage and happiness. The truth of the matter is that Ikwerre history will never be complete without the mention of the Igbo's who seem to have been sown into the fabric of Ikwerre people. If you go to the market places in Port harcourt, the Igbo are largely the traders and Igbo language is still used in buying and selling to some degree.

I commend everyone who have invested their time to contribute to this topic and encourage everyone not to be biased, but to contribute to this conversation as I believe it makes us better. It reveals our history from different perspective . at the end, it shows that we are one people; bounded by relative cultures that define who we are. When people ask me where I'm from in the US I usually tell them that I'm an African. for me, it doesn't matter if I find myself in Mali, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Ghana or any other African country. What matters to me is that I find myself in Africa, and that the struggle is one. that's why I'm not gonna give it up; not until Africa and Africans are free. However; I will encourage everyone to be civil as Ikechukwu and a hand-full of us has been in expressing our beliefs as it relates to the topic, because we are all Nigerians at the end of the day; that's the name of the nation that I've chosen to belong to, and if need be, I'm willing to die for one-Nigeria. Importantly; we all belong to the magnificent race called the human-race. let us endevour to maintain it as such and not make it a rat-race. Long live the federal republic of Nigeria; long live humanity; ONE LOVE!

Dude I do not wish to belittle nor insult, but your writeup there is full of weak arguments, circumstantial evidence and plain fault finding.
To be sure, the Ikwerres or whomever can be anything they claim to be...they can even change their identities a million times each year!
At the end of the day...its their history and their heritage.
But then, there is one little thing you cannot change, retell or manipulate...except with superior facts and arguments.
And that thing is...SHARED AND CONTEMPORARY HISTORY.
Shared history...that can be remembered by Aros, Owerris,Etches, Ngwas, Ndokis,Mbaises, Ikwerres,Ijaws, Ekpeyes, Ahoadas, Ibibios, Efiks,Annangs....all defeat your claims.
Contemporary history...that can be remembered by the British and other Nigerians from other ethnic groups...with documented evidence...also defeat your claims.
As noisy as I find the Igbos to be...this is one of the most interesting topics that sparked up my curiosity as an amateur historian.
I find it not only hilarious...but also sad.
Try again, maybe you can refute the OP's points with better arguments and historical references.
That said, I think you lots are simply trying to run away from your own history.
You will be reminded by those who know...one day or the other.
Wish you the best.

@jantavanta

O dear me!
Dude your brand of self confidence is celestial!
Frankly I don't know whether to laff or cry

Let me contribute my chip to past,present and future afrikan greatness...

Miyamoto Musashi (actually MiyaMOORto Musashi)
If you follow the above pattern as you have been doing, you'll discover a lot of famous historical names
are actually Moors, Bantus or black pygmies!

Like these ones:
Count Dracula the Impaler
Ptolemy Philopator
Erwin Schrodinger
Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa
Vercingetorix (leader of the Black Gauls who fought against Julius Caesar)
William the Conqueror
Tupac Amaru, king of the Incas
Sitting Bull
George Washington
Antiochus Epiphanes



...and a host of many other proud black Africans whom the thieving whities have claimed for themselves!

neocortex:


If I may ask, how did you know about operation northwoods ?
was it through your investigative prowess or through the
same cunning CIA ?

No one is denying that false flags is real,
but labeling every act as false flag only points
to the fact that one is too lazy to dig for more facts.
One potent weapon of extremists is their enemies underestimating
their capabilities.
Every one says "they can't do that" , until they strike,
then the song now becomes "it must be some other powerful
people that did it".
The cycle continues until the Islamist overrrun their enemies.


Possibility is never equal to reality.

Apt questions… but are you also aware some folks over there stake their lives to expose the inhuman evil going on there?
Like the way some overzealous folks here burn robbers and flog gays publicly?
That same energy and moral conviction drives certain class of folks to expose what is going on.
Look up these books The Terror Factory(Tevor Aaronson) , The Colder War(Marin Katusa) and Black Market Billions(Hitha Prabhakar).
You need to read more. Truth they say is stranger than fiction.
Im no apologist for conspiracy theorists… but the scale of the events, the context, location and actors involved in all these events do not follow conventional logic.
Or are you one of those who believe a group of arab terrorists with no prior flying experience were able to not only commandeer a commercial aircraft in US airspace… but fly it past the Pentagon air defences, NORAD air defences and ram it into the Pentagon?

PappyMason:
29,000 Nigerians will soon be heading back home from the UK alone.

African migrants will be rounded up and deported across Europe to pave way for the Arab Muslim "refugees".

In all their show of goodwill, the EU does not give a rat's ass about the real victims and refugees in Syria and Iraq - Christians, Kurds and Yazidis are being turned down in place of Muslim men of fighting age.

I hold this theory that NATO is amassing an army drawn from Arab Muslims to train and deploy back to Syria to engage Russia.

This may sound far fetched but when you see that 80% of the so called refugees are men of fighting age and over 70% are neither from Syria or northern Iraq and the desperation by the EU to force member states against their wish to either allow the refugees to pass undocumented through their borders like in Hungary and Czech Republic or to house them then there seems to be something fishy.

You also need to see that this generation of European man childs and their effeminate beta character do not make for a good pool to draw up a volunteer or drafted army.

You may ask why Syria? What is so important and strategic about Syria that NATO will be desperate to stage a false flag and host a Muslim army recruitment on their soil?

The answer is simply the same reason there are wars in the middle east - Oil.

The EU is desperate on weaning themselves from Russian energy. The standoff in Ukraine is all because they wanted to undermine Russia's influence globally by causing havoc at her backyard. Why you say? Because Russian allies like Syria will fall in line when Russia is made weak.

The EU wants a pipeline from Saudi Arabia through Syria into Europe.

Saudi pumping too much crude is to financially weaken Russia and Iran.

Insightful.
Good to know some folks here are following the global trends.
The brouhaha is actually not about oil per se….as the US still has one of the largest untapped reserves in the world. Their strategic planners discovered that the dollars would not serve effectively as the global reserve currency if the US competed directly with oil producers in the Middle East.
They needed an external agent cum ally to simulate a scenario where the largest producers only accept US dollars for crude oil pricing.
Saudi Arabi and OPEC effectively guaranteed that… enforced ofcourse by threats of economic sabotage and military invasion.
If America had been producing her vast reserves in Alaska and elsewhere… the Arabs and other oil producing countries would have had reason to demand payment in their own currencies too.
After all its their oil. This would have defeated of America's hegemony globally.
For decades, crude oil price has been inflated and does not match real world demand and supply dynamics. American and European hedge funds have had a field day buying and selling crude without touching the physical commodity. All thanks to petrodollars recycling… a new wonder of this age.
Its a fight to determine the next reserve currency used to price energy and global commodities.

pazienza:


Lol! The aim of those demands was to expose the hypocrisy of the Arewa-Oduanistans that shout one Nigeria, and to show that their love for one Nigeria is not based on patriotism or love for fellow countrymen, but on selfish, greedy and malicious agenda.
And also to expose the folly of Igbos who would join these Arewa-Oduanistans to shout one Nigeria.

I am a Student of history, I had no impression that Arewa-Oduanistans would concede to those demands, why should they? They'd rather secede from one Nigeria than concede those demands, they are into one Nigeria for those Particular gains, and the moment the gains are not there, one Nigeria would lose its attraction for them.


On your last point, I beg to differ. Was it a sign of weakness when Croatians decided they no longer want to share a nation with Serbians, was it a sign of weakness when Singapore decided she nolonger want to share a nation with Malaysians? How about Bangladesh and Pakistan?

Truth is that strange bed fellows are not meant to sleep together. Efforts wasted in playing cat and mouse game with hostile nations of Arewa-Oduanistan while struggling for the soul of a third world country like Nigeria, if well channeled by Biafrans, can be used to build a prosperous Biafran nation that can stand a chance of transiting from third world to first world country in a space of 70 - 100 years max.

I get your point.
But you also missed my point.
Lemme show you how.
The people in a position to effect a division of Nigeria easily are the Hausa/Fulani.
The British effectively made them the house masters of Nigeria.
The people who have the ears of 10 Downing street, Washington and UN… have been in power since independence.
You need to both appreciate amd respect that fact...no need to beef.
The people who have benefited most from the Federation are the Yorubas… with Lagos being the capital for many years, Apapa ports, international airport, economic capital of the country for so many years. It is what it is.
And ofcourse, even the lifeblood of the country was shifted from the eastern region to the SS states. SE oil producing regions were even carved out! To tell you how much of an observer you are.
An appreciation of the above current facts...only means you have to ally and build bridges.
You cannot afford to stand alone without allies to actualize MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL goals.
No one appears to support this rowdy movement. Why should they?
You expect corrupt politicians and thieving military officers to render their naira loots useless over night because of 'freedom' and 'fairness'? Go to Gwarimpa, Lokogoma, Maitama, Lekki, Mowe, Kano and see what investments your brothers have. Then think again.
This so called movement will be sabotaged from within and without.
Tell your leaders to strategize, build bridges and work out MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL goals with one or two of the power brokers. Its the intelligent thing to do. Its a game.

pazienza:
[b] 1. Close down Lagos ports and Open up PH, Calabar, Onitsha and Warri.
2. Cancel all direct and major connecting flights to Lagos and Abuja airports...only local or minimal connecting flights will be allowed. While this is being done, open up Enugu, Owerri, Asaba, Uyo and PH to international flights...direct and major connecting flights.
3. Ask all international and diplomatic missions to move their embassies and consulates from Lagos and Abuja to Enugu, PH and Calabar.
4. All federal governments agencies in Lagos and Abuja shall be relocated to Enugu, PH and Calabar. CBN, NNPC,e.t.c shall and must relocate to PH, Calabar and Enugu.
5. All multinational companies in Lagos and Abuja, shall and must relocate their offices to PH, Calabar and Enugu.
6 Relocate the Nigerian capital to Calabar, PH, Enugu or Asaba

7. If these conditions can be fulfilled and implemented, we can try one Nigeria and let's see if you Hausas and Yorubas will like it for a month. Meaning, Yorubas and Hausas needing to get visas shall travel to PH, Calabar or Enugu to do that. Same with flying or connecting flights, same with shipping and importing their goods, e.t.c. [/b]

Bro i really like your approach to certain issues… but on this I beg to differ.
You know why? Cos you are not taking into account human nature. You are appealing to fantasy and emotions.
There is no way on this planet a group of people who have managed to lay hands on power can relinquish it because of 'fairness' and 'equity'....cept you take it by hook or crook.
The Igbo leaders have no strategy, no tactics, no plans, no agenda to win power.
All the above listed items you want done… by whom exactly?
There is thing called diplomacy and political maneuvering… you understand its a game and hedge ya bets accordingly. Its no frigging kumbaya party… its a machievellian game of thrones!
The Igbos need to learn how the Fulania took over the Hausa city states.
Tell Igbo leaders to go learn the game of politics. No one owes you anything you cannot get for yaself.
Biafra is a sign of Igbo defeat and surrender to superior players… laughable after reading so many claims to Igbo superior this and that on this forum. That the best you can do?

sukkot:
we are not the ones agitating for secession because yoruba leaders are corrupt. you know what, sometimes people cannot see the stupidity of their ways unless a mirror is put to their face so i will help you out. >> yoruba leaders are very corrupt and eat all the allocation to yoruba land from the federal government and because of this, yoruba people start agitating for separation from nigeria because our land is undeveloped. doesnt that sound crazy to you ? shouldnt we be fighting our thieving yoruba leaders instead ?

Hahahaha… apt and on point.
Awon agba ni enyin ti ota yo… wahala enu ni. Awon oselu radarada ni wahala ti won ni.

CrazyMan:

Anyi Ga-eme Mbaa Ka Ódi Ukwuu Ma Öbúrú Na Agbúrú Nille Ga Etikota Aka Rúó Órú Ma Gharakwa Ì Na-ata Ndi Ózó Uta Mgbe Ihe Mgberede Dakwasiri Anyi.E Kwenyerem Nigïria Ga Adikwa Ukwúú ÖZÖ.

Chei…okwu gi di uto na nti.
Kama oga adi mma ka iwere ozia zie ndi ndu Igbo gbasasiri na naijiria.
Gwa ha na izu ka mma na nne ji. Odu nwanne duru nwanne ya anaghi afu ya ufu na nti.
Gwa ha muru ako n'aka ndi odida anyanwu, na ndi ugwu.
Maka na ndi Igbo si na ihe onye n'amaghi okariri ya.
Ochichi obodo bu agha nwoke na ibe ya.
Onye ka ibe ya ike, ga enwe mmeri.
Abum onye huru ndi Igbo dum n'anya.

@OP
Based on Obama's actions these past years of his administration...its clear all that Rev. Wright nonsense was a clever script.
Rev. Wright's church has been outed to be a recruitment center for young gay black professionals. The goal was to recruit sexually compromised black young professionals...build a publicly acceptable personality/mask for them...and use them as subversive manchurian candidates.
The black communities would not probably see through the facade.
Obama played the role to perfection and he was effectively used to push through more wars than Bush, a more enduring form of modern slavery aka Obamacare...all while wearing the facade of a Nobel Price winner.
If you need indepth analysis...check out this site. http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com

Cos you have not demonstrated familiarity with Yoruba language or traditional beliefs to make an informed decision.
I want to contribute to ya learning process.
Here's one refutation of Olumide Lucas' work for ya:

Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba of West Africa: A comprehensive scientific approach
by Salau, Abdulrazaq Danbaba, PhD, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY, 2007:


Abstract: This study deals with Ancient Egyptian and Yoruba of West Africa, an enduring historical problem in African historiography. This dissertation builds upon Lucas's book (Lucas 1948). The central argument of Lucas's book is that Yoruba originated from Ancient Egypt. A lot of African historians have uncritically accepted this view without corroborating their views with facts to affirm Lucas's thesis, and other strident historians like Westcott (1961), and Law (1973b) rejected Lucas arguments by challenging his linguistic method for factual flaws, and others like Law totally rejected Lucas hypothesis regarding Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba, both of these authors did not provide information why early Yoruba historians will be claiming Ancient Egyptian origin without any basis in history or objective reality. The rest of the historians have been ambivalent about Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba. The 'three schools' of Yoruba historiography: classicism, traditionalism, and pragmatism identified by Doortmont (1993) failed to resolve these issues of Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba. African historiography has attempted to resolve this issue of Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba, yet the issue remains unabated. In fact, a number of scholars have been examining this problem more or less thoroughly starting from 1942 the year which J.O. Lucas completed his doctoral dissertation. In 1948 the dissertation was published into a book. After publication of Lucas's book there have been many important developments in African history, namely accessibility to scholarly materials, new techniques, and documents which made method of doing research to change these new techniques and changes must be fully integrated into to the conduct of current research in African history. The aim of this dissertation is to resolve the issue of Ancient Egyptian origin of Yoruba. That is why it is indispensable and imperative now that after sixty-five years, to assess and evaluate this historical problem of Yoruba origin and Ancient Egyptians systematically. What I propose to do in this dissertation is to get precise facts to prove relationships between Ancient Egyptians and Yoruba of West Africa. My training in Ancient Egyptian language, and my knowledge of Yoruba and Hausa languages as a native speaker both prepare and give me competence, and understanding to explore significant research questions comprehensively.


Source : http://www.cla.temple.edu/africanamericanstudies/graduate/doctoral-dissertations-in-the-department-of-african-american-studies/

Ad hominems all over the place
I'm even sorry I was tempted to use foul language in my last post.
Cant you post your response without insulting someone?

Rossikk:


Uncle Tom. BLACK AFRICANS ARE BLACK AFRICANS. Get that into your thick skull. An Hausa man's achievements WILL be celebrated by a Zulu. Just as a Nubian's achievements will be celebrated by an Igbo man. You see black Africans as separated and unrelated. WE DO NOT. WE ARE BLACK AFRICANS. GO AND HANG YOURSELF IF YOU HATE OUR UNITY.

UTTER, COMPLETE HOGWASH. THIS IS THE CRAP YOU CARRY IN YOUR HEAD, which is why you are so angry WHEN WE TALK OF Pan-Africanism or speak of black Africans as a group, OR SPEAK OF BLACK AFRICAN ACHIEVEMENTS. WE ARE BLACK AFRICANS. AND WE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY ONE PEOPLE. When you take your black face to a racist congregation in America or Germany, nobody asks you there if you are Zulu, or Hausa, or Yoruba, or Wolof. You are a BLACK MAN, AND TREATED ACCORDINGLY, and that is all that counts.

Uncle Tom, GO AND READ THE BOOKS I REFERRED YOU TO. THERE IS A MULTIPLICITY OF CULTURAL AND LINGUISTIC LINKS BETWEEN BLACK AFRICA AND ANCIENT EGYPT. GO AND READ DIOP, BERNAL, EVEN BASIL DAVIDSON. AND NO, THESE HISTORIANS PROBABLY WON'T FIND THEIR ''great great grandfather'' spitting knowledge about their subject matter - DOESN'T Make their findings any less valid, you bumbling ignoramus.

Cultural behaviours change over millenia. That black ancient Egyptians built pyramids and obelisks 5,000 years ago, does not mean their 16th century descendants would still build pyramids and obelisks, or write in hieroglyphs. ESPECIALLY when so much has happened in the period, such as the great MIGRATIONS from north to south following foreign invasions, desertification, and consequent resettlement in the forest regions, with a whole new set of resource endowments and political challenges facing them. THEREFORE, what scholars seek to find by way of connections to Nile Valley civilization has to do with CULTURAL similarities, such as Divine Kingship, Language, Bride Price, Masquerades, Religious practices etc etc. Olumide Lucas showed that the Yorubas are practically worshiping the same gods known to the Egyptians. Showed clear similarities in names, attributes or both. He even found evidence of hieroglyphic writing in his research. By the way have you heard of the Obelisk of Oranmiyan in Yorubaland?

DUNCE. GO AND READ ABOUT THE TIMBUKTU MANUSCRIPTS - MILLIONS OF VOLUMES OF PRE-COLONIAL BLACK AFRICAN WRITING COVERING A VARIETY OF SUBJECTS, STILL BEING COLLATED AND CATEGORISED TILL THIS DAY. NSIBIDI, WHICH YOU ARE TOO DUMB TO RESEARCH, WAS A FORM OF WRITING USED BY BLACK AFRICANS. THE Europeans had THEIR reasons for NOT wanting to connect black Africans with ancient Egypt. They wanted to claim Egypt for themselves!! (AND STILL DO, eg BY PARADING FAKE whitened ARTEFACTS LIKE the fake 'Nefertiti' bust AS ''ANCIENT EGYPTIAN''). You are THEIR SERVANT. Seeking to DISCONNECT US from OUR NILE VALLEY HERITAGE. But you will FAIL. Just like your masters have failed.

The foreign invaders sought to disguise the BLACKNESS of our Sphinx by cutting off its wide nose and scraping off its thick lips. THEY FAILED. WE CAN STILL TELL IT'S A BLACK MAN!!

BLACK MAN - EGYPT.
The Great Sphinx at Giza.

Skipping my questions again are we? I thought I challenged you to educate me.
I will not let this great opportunity pass me by to scoop from the fount of your great and vast knowledge.
Kindly oblige me sir, lemme learn from you. Your passing on some of your great knowledge to me would be a boon.
Here lemme reproduce my questions to the highly learned one.

PabloAfricanus:
[b]
1) The ancient Egyptians and Nubians all had a stellar religion. They worshipped the planets, stars and constellations. We've always been curious as to what existing African peoples have in relation to ancient Egypt. So what do Black Africans call Sothis and how did they calculate the heliacal rising of Sopdet(Greek Sothis, Roman Sirius)?


2) The Greeks had dealings with ancient Egyptians and ancient Greek historians have documented histories of Egyptian kings,religion, priests and cultural practices. If as you asserted Black Africans gave the Europeans civilization, then the source of a river should have even more waters flowing...right? So can we see Black African written history or hieoroglyphs or some oral history about the ancient Europeans?
You know since almost all known civilized peoples kept written records...Africa should not be an exception. After all the Egyptians and Nubians kept records?

3) Give me the name for any of these planets in any African language or culture (Mars, Mercury, Venus or Jupiter).

4) Show me a written book,religious work,scholarly work, court records or historical work done in Nsibidi by Black Africans extant anywhere in Black African that was done before the Europeans came. Mind you such a body of work must be easily verifiable by going to the said place where Nsibidi was used as a form of writing. Give dates, verifiable dates. Also do not quote any European.
[/b]

When you are able to respond to any of the above...I will take you serious.


PS: I feel for you dude. As usual...your ignorance shines through...this time in brilliant colors.
You appear to lack intelligence....having said that, I can confirm you lack knowledge about what you are ranting about.
The fact that you cannot tell appropriate references from suspicious ones...clearly shows the level of ya intelligence.
Taking Olumide Lucas' work at face value , you are not even sufficiently familiar with the language or culture to pick out the holes in his write up. You apparently are not familiar with the fact that most Yoruba historians completely disregard his historical improvisations.
I wont even bother telling you why or why not Opa Oranmiyan fits the tag you put on it.
As for the Sphinx, the moment you are able to tell me what any sub saharan group call it in their native tongue...I will take you serious.
Also, ya emotive bias for historical improvisations glorifying fantastic claims to a supposed ancient african greatness...gives away ya childish rants.
Ya deep inferiority complex has so addled ya brain...you cant even see there's no need to prove a point to any one...white,yellow, brown or black. You just need to do ya own thing...pity I cant help you see that.

And yes...your openly displaying to the whole world how you insult each other in ya village...just shows you lost it.
Even if I was the one who needed schooling...ya attempt to push ya points through insults shows you up for who you are....a desktop self acclaimed pseudo-historian.
Go get some education dude...you sorely need it.
And stop tryna measure up to the whites...do ya own thing if you have the brain cells to attempt it...or continue living in lala land.

Radoillo:
Well, for what it is worth, it is important to point out that accomplished mainstream Yoruba scholars of Yoruba religion and sociology do not agree with Archdeacon Lucas' conclusions.

Scholars like Dr J Omosade Awolalu and Dr O. Ogunba, both of whom are PhDs in the field of African Religions, among others have expressed their disagreement (See Awolalu's 'Yoruba Beliefs and Sacrificial Rites' and Ogunba's PhD thesis 'Ritual Drama of the Ijebu People'). Many others have simply ignored Lucas' contribution as not deserving a refutation. Ogunba even said of Lucas' book that it contains 'mistakes, monstrous and disconcerting' and that they 'are more of ignorance than of patriotism'.

When I tried to use an online etymology dictionary to check the meanings of some of the Ancient Egyptian words used by Lucas in his anslysis, I found that a good number of them don't really mean what Lucas thought they meant...which leads one to wonder how well he knew Ancient Egyptian. Did he know enough to make scholarly-sound comparisons between Ancient Egyptian and Yoruba? It doesn't really seem so.

Lucas' book came out in 1948. That's a really long time ago, and I would imagine that some (if not much) of the information in it is already outdated. Linguists, anthropologists and historians have been busy since then and a lot of information has been unearthed since then that has turned African Studies on its head. No top-rate college anywhere in the world that offers courses in African Studies will recommend a book written in 1948.

But there is a little something that bugs me about this tendency to use arguments such as this one to make the claim that various sub-Saharan cultures have their roots in Ancient Egypt: Assuming Ancient Egypt and West Africa did share cultural and linguistic emblems, why do we conclude that it was us, West Africans who got them from Egypt? Why can't the argument be made the other way - that it was the Egyptians who got those cultural emblems from us?

After all, we now have ample evidence that people from Inner Africa did migrate towards the Nile. We can be sure they took some of the customs and practices of the peoples of Inner Africa with them. Isn't it time to start talking about what sub-Saharan peoples (including West Africans) gave to Egypt and retire this debate about what Egypt gave to West Africans. The former seems more likely, given what scholars know today.

Apt and spot on.
See if you can contribute to the last thread i commented on.
That clown is not even sufficiently familiar with either the language or culture to pick out the holes in Lucas' historical improvisations.
On ground evidence should match results/conclusions from any research work.
Why didnt the Europeans come to black africa to decipher the Rosetta stone?

Rossikk:


You talk so much ignorant rubbish. You are happy to regale us with how wonderful Europe was, lumping them all together. Meanwhile, it was really only either Rome or Greece at their various epochs doing anything serious, while the rest of Europe lived in illiteracy, ignorance, and savagery. (Until black African Moors brought civilization to them in the Middle Ages). But you never limit their successes based on that. But Africa? Oh it was ''only'' the Ethiopians''. It was ''only'' the Nubians. It was ''only'' the Egyptians.... ''not ALL of Africa''. ''Not'' Igbos, ''Not'' Yorubas. So they can't possibly take credit for ''others''' achievements. You think like a slave, and are so deep in it you can't smell your own stinking manure. We are AFRICANS. And we DO take pride in our AFRICAN achievements. You have a problem with that, go eat dust.

On the contrary you are the one who is ignorant and goes about spewing ignorant nonsense all over the place.
From your laughable thread about how some dark skinned peoples your ancestors never heard about ruled Spain to your lumping the different peoples of Africa together...you have been writing arrant nonsense!
I have tried to point out to you the FACTS on ground...which cannot be wished away by supremacist claims.
The dark skinned peoples of Africa inhabit separate, unique and distinct cultural and political spaces!
You missed that....again and again and again.Such laughable display of ignorance for a self acclaimed historian!
I tried asking you questions that will force you to realize that...but you had to start telling me how your entire village is made up of fruitcakes who claim other people's heritage.

The culture and religion of Egypt did not rub off or pass on to sub saharan africans...not as much as we can see.
Same goes for the Nubians and Ethiopians.
The Xhosas, Zulus and other ethnic groups close to the Ethiopians did not even attempt to copy their alphabeths.
The Kanuris, Wolofs, Hausas, Mandikas...till today have no obelisks, carved basalt or granite sculptures of their kings or nobles.
Their are no hieroglyphs extant on walls or scrolls attributable to any sub saharan ethnic group alive today.
When the Europeans were brainstorming on how to decipher the Rosetta Stone...the most logical thing to do would have been to come down to sub Saharan Africa for scholars with native knowledge of ancient Egyptian writing.
You know that did not happen. Cos they knew sub saharan Africans neither wrote nor read.
They had documented histories of peoples they colonized and enslaved!
Neither did any ethnic group in sub saharan Africa have any oral history even remotely near anything Egyptian or Nubian.
On the other hand Roman,Greek, Syrian records going back 2000 years plus exist with histories of Egypt.

If you have any modicum of intelligence you should have figured out that the logical thing to do as Black Africans in such a scenario would be to start documenting what we only have....ORAL HISTORIES.
Africans in general have no documented histories....and that's a fact!
The only dark skinned peoples that do are the ones you are doodling about.
If you had to run to Wikipedia or some white man's books to learn about African history...then your history/culture is near dead.
If there is no living man in sub saharan west africa...who remembers when dark skinned peoples ruled spain...then you owe that knowledge to the whites and did not learn it from home.
If you are intelligent enough to follow the argument thus far...you would know that for posterity's sake...Africans should begin to document their own histories.
All your ranting and quoting has not included any African chief, elder or king you interviewed to gain any knowledge.
Neither has it included any ancient African temple or court you visited to retrieve scrolls for translation.
Your knowledge is entirely made up of stuff and research done by WHITE MEN.
That is not a bad thing on its own...but as I have been pointing out to you...its a sign that your history is lost to you.

If you cannot reference any native source or living source of any so called African greatness bullsh.it you keep doodling all over the place...I'd say go join the NOI and keep living in lala land!
Did your great great great great grand father know anything about Spain? Clown!

Rossikk:


Everything you wrote above is garbage. You clearly don't know what constitutes adequate historical inquiry. Your stuff about what qualifies me to state such and such is African history based on if my ethnic group has an oral history about the event, is sheer madness. No historical enquiry on earth proceeds from such a peculiar, nonsensical premise. By your queer logic, an Englishman or Frenchman cannot discuss or invoke his European history since his Celtic ancestors had nothing to do with Greece, and were seen at best, as remote barbarians by the latter. You talk glibly of ''sub-saharan Africa'', seeking to differentiate it from ''non-sub saharan'', an entirely western-invented division, yet claim westerners cannot write authentic African history. Only village oral traditionalists can recount it to us over a fireplace! I mean, you sound like a fruitcake. Inventing your own queer and strange research criteria and imposing it on us. To say there are no cultural links between ancient Egypt and west or central Africa is the very height of historical ignorance. Go and learn African history. You've no business being on this thread. And no, I will not take your long, uninformed rants seriously by responding point by point. Can't be bothered. Go and read the Destruction of Black Civilization by Dr Chancellor Williams. Might get some knowledge into your head. Or Cheikh Anta Diop's The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality?. There is a lot you do NOT know. And do stop guessing who or where I'm from and all that inane nonsense. It's none of your business.

I have shied away from engaging in insults or jibes on this forum.
But this time I'll make an exception for you.

You see, like ignorant and silly black africans of your ilk....your ignorance shines through in bright colors.
Your ranting about garbage, rubbish or irredeemable tripe will not obscure the fact that you are another dull African who does not know his history!
I abhor black folks who have difficulty thinking.

A group of visiting European archeologists and historians come to a certain place in Nigeria to document recently discovered relics.
They hear one of your fellow deluded Afrocentrists rant about how black Africa gave the world(or is it Europe civilization).
Probably the guy must have seen that your silly thread about black moors in Spain.
Just like you the silly guy goes on about the greatness of black Egypt and Nubia...and what not.
How the pyramids were built by black africans and how africans were sailing the oceans millemiuns before the Europeans emerged from caves.
If the visiting archeologists find these claims interesting...and decide to investigate further.
How would you...a self-acclaimed knowlegdeable student of African history answer the following questions:

1) The ancient Egyptians and Nubians all had a stellar religion. They worshipped the planets, stars and constellations. We've always been curious as to what existing African peoples have in relation to ancient Egypt. So what do your tribe/ethnic group call Sothis and how did they calculate the heliacal rising of Sopdet(Greek Sothis, Roman Sirius)?


2) The Greeks had dealings with ancient Egyptians and ancient Greek historians have documented histories of Egyptian kings,religion, priests and cultural practices. If as you asserted Black Africans gave the Europeans civilization, then the source of a river should have even more waters flowing...right? So can we see your written history or hieoroglyphs or some oral history about the ancient Europeans?
You know since almost all known civilized peoples kept written records...Africa should not be an exception. After all the Egyptians and Nubians kept records?


I'm assuming you are intelligent to know that if sub-saharan black afriaca are the heirs of these ancient civilizations...remnants of their religion and culture would remain in black africa.
Go ahead, show us your deep knowledge of African history. Educate me.
How would you go about answering the above questions?

macof:


. If African leaders even decide to merge up into one united state, Europe and America will let it. Cus they know such projects will end up in failure
But a military uprising taking over territories and expanding will be met with hostility by the Whites cus they fear power like that

I dont think there is an ideological basis for any pan african driven policy...for now.
We are already divided along religious and as a consequence cultural lines.
Will the muslims of Mali and Senegal find it easy to concede intellectual superiority to the Christians of angola? Maybe… maybe not. Cos as you noted, somebody must lead.

With the benefit of hindsight… the colonial experiment of artificial countries might end up being a benefit in disguise for africans. Cos what we might not have been able to effectively do on our own… due to our typical bickering over trivials. We literally were given modern statehood by the whites.
An ideological base africans can identify with is the key to achieving a level of unity.
My analysis of the matter points in the direction of foreign religions… those must be shifted to second place as an identity factor. Most africans have built their identities around those jewish and arab sky daddies. We need to realize we were black africans…first… before we ever professed belief in foreign sky daddies.
With a shared identity structure unencumbered by religious loyalties… we can recognize our shared destiny as the dark skinned peoples of the planet and build on that foundation.
Ancient african history was a glorious and imperial one… based on science, technology and advanced thinking. Not this one where we are bedevilled by dull, unintelligent and tame niggas who are afraid to take on the white establishment. Who cant even envision workable economic policies without foreign help.

A united african confederation of states will def pose a threat to white imperialism.
Its inevitable… the artificial states have to be reworked… compatible ethnic groups will have to negotiate their statehood with each other… and those effing boundaries adjusted to reflect history. Its possible… if we do not do it now… we will do it in the future after a replay of Rwanda sudan or biafra jolts us back to reality.

Those with superior knowledge will win. Its the way its always been.
Right now africans appear not have invested much in superior knowledge. We need to reverse that.