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ambitiouschap17:
Lol bro David Wood that hijabi kill In the debate

Huh? What was your objective analysis based on for you to arrive at this conclusion?

It being long since I watched the so called "debate".

When SilverNorGold said MH won the debate, I told him that David Wood won instead.

Here is my analysis on the show.

The topic was Tahweed and Trinity (both concepts are some how difficult to dive into I think thats why they chose that topic).

If you are the type that does analysis on topics you would know MH did not address most of what David Wood raised during the session. Hijab was not debating he was just ranting and raging, his responses or let me say replies were on attack on Islam, he did not talk more on tahweed.
Hijab knew that he will never win debating logically with David as it has seen in the past debates. So, this time he went rough/verbal attack and make some illogical statements on the podium. He is inconsistent, claiming the other side is embarrassing, claiming that there are other interpretations of Arabic that only he understands. His arguments are convincing only to Muslims who recognize the arguments he references. A muslim is deeply impressed by all the quranic knowledge of the muslim apologist, especially if he is able to mix a lot of Quranic Arabic through his plea. He personally attacked David Wood instead of refuting his points.
He created an atmosphere with his silly fans that made many including you think he won. For example, David Wood asked him: Allah and his angel prayed FOR the prophet. Whom did Allah pray to?
Muhammed hijab replied: I know this is coming. Read the correct translation.
Allah and his angel prayed FOR the prophet not TO the prophet. The moment he read the supposed correct translation the incessant cheering from the his fans for one party was embarrassing. Sensible and logical person would know he didn't refute David Wood.

David Wood is a great debater he has great knowledge of quran and hadith. He is not afraid to debate anyone. It is perhaps for this reason that Dr. Zakir Naik has refused to debate him.

Can you drop some of the things you think made him (MH) win?

Good for them

Rest on!
I saw this sad news on Twitter.

Muslims are aggressive in matters that could be settled intelligently and pick offense easily. And the easy way to get around that is to create barricade between them and non-muslims which I think is a good idea. You may be wondering why can't seun do same with Christians, well, Christianity is open to everyone and tolerance is key in Christianity.

Gallant looking soldiers. May God protect you all.

NobleEugene5:
I've been learning ionic development for somedays now. But wherever I go, I see Nigerian programmers developing their apps in flutter. So my esteemed nairaland programmers, please tell me what you enjoy the most about flutter .

Flutter (Dart) I think it's easy and it's a cross platform meaning you write a that works on both Android and iOS. But native app development is better with Java /Kotlin.

[quote author=SilverNorGold post=95498661]

1. My brother, I challenge you to mention the point you refuted. Go back to the post and mention one, alongside the alleged point. Quoting out of context, while the other ones have been abandoned after I tore them to pieces. I am waiting for the alleged response.

@bold not again

2. The emboldened just exposed your ignorance. Video I watched? I challenge you to upload the part here.. Dr zakir Naik has criteria, and Wood hasn't met any. Dr Zakir does Question and Answer sections, where he entertains questions from everyone, including Christians, Atheists, Hindi, and all.. David Wood doesn't. He can't. In fact, how many Christian debaters do? I challenge you to post names let me confirm.

You are such a great ignorant guy I've ever seen. You want David Wood (as you want it) to go to him where his security is not guaranteed? Dumbest guy you are. I repeat, Zakir Nair is a coward. If an Islamic terrorist that was caught in UK could tell the court that David Wood tells the truth about Islam even more than your mighty Zakir and Ahmed Deedat what more do you want? Thousands of muslims follow David Wood, please do follow him and watch 10 of his videos, please. Your muhammad and allat(h) are bunch of......

3. David Wood has no physical audience. Naik wasn't referring to online audience.

allahuakbar and he has won the heart of tens of hundred of muslims. Have you seen video of Zakir where he honored the invite for interactive section in UK? You can see how organized it was? If he could honor such invite in a more organized why can't he honor his debate that will be organized as such or even better? you will see your mighty Zakir will be trashed. Zakir that copy Ahmed Deedat in his preaching. Poosh!

4. Moreover, Muhammed Hijab, a student of Dr Zakir Naik has done a great damage to Wood. So why should Wood challenge the master when he couldn't defeat the student? The video is on YouTube, anyone can watch. Muhammed hijab was very articulate, thorough, intelligent and compose. His witty punchlines, smart responses and the way he answered the questions were just superb. I urge EVERYONE to see it.. Go to YouTube and search for "David Wood vs Muhammed hijab"..

MH is a student of Zakir? No wonder, he was ranting and rambling like his master. Any sensible person that watch the debate will know MH was making a disjointed points. Do you remember the number of times MH said let's give that to him? Oh no, you wouldn't remember that, because your mind is clouded with the illusion of winning. Go back and watch it. Take note of the points raised by each and see who did justice and who could not but say let's it to him.

5. DW? Lol, from David Wood to DW? .. My brother, you are confused! For even saying David Wood defeated him showed how IGNORANT you are. Same video that was used to troll him and our Christian colleagues? Now DW? This dude!

The confused one here is you, how did you know DW stand for David Wood? Can you see how dumb you sound? Omg!

6. This guy no get gist.. The worst debater in history!

Typical of muslim. You are intellectually deficient.
Let me part ways with you with qn25v63 Those alone are the true servants of the Most Gracious (God) who walk upon the earth in all humility, (but in a dignified manner), and when the ignorant address them, they (do not wrangle but) observe a peaceful attitude.

God go help us

Shalom!

SilverNorGold:
1. Let me end this by replying to this..

Oh! You want to end it?

2. You are regurgitating because you couldn't reply to that my comment. That's because you have no reply. So regurgitation na your only thing, to repeat same thing that has been replied to, which you couldn't oppose.

Except if you believe I did not do justice and refute those thing you call point. muslims defend muhammad by various forms of atrocities. Imagine muhammad calling Christians worst of creation in qn98:5 and if Christians say the same thing to your muhammad you start allahuakbar (killing). Where are your senses?

3. Dr. David Wood and Sam Shamoun are not good debaters. Go and watch their debates. Dr Zakir already made it known that he doesn't debate people with no physical audience, or audience less than 20% of his audience. In this case, 20k people. Tell Wood to meet the criteria.

Zakir Nair declined his call for debate because of what he terms as insult on muhammad he stated that in video. The same Zakir Nair that could not stand the question of an ex-muslim on the stage. As for audience, what a way to decline a debate! Some one that has almost 600k yt subscribers cannot get an audience of 20k? What a great way to decline a debate. You muslim apologists won't cease to amazed.

4. Muhammed hijab TRASHED Wood in that debate. I encourage everyone to watch it, as this guy won't admit to the truth. Wood did a VERY TERRIBLE JOB.

Lol! Someone that was on stage with aggression in retaliation to DW on the insult of Islam and muhammad. He could not refute successfully some of the points DW raised. He could not explain tahweed to the question he asked. The funny thing was, the debate was hosted by a muslim community and each time MH make a disjointed point they clap for him, imagine, that's why muslim will claim MH just like you, trash him. Busted!

5. I have highlighted a few of scientific errors in this thread. Check the last 2 pages or so. About creation. Lol.. You wan challenge scientists? You are delusional, my brother. Go and hone your knowledge.[quote]I know a feeble mind like yourself would claim scientists cannot be challenged. Like I said, it takes a deluded mind to figure out a delusional person(s). Work on logic reasoning.

[quote]6. Historian? Lol, maybe a lover of comparative religion.

You're still on a long thing

God bless us all.

Shalom!

Agbegbaorogboye:
Don't mind the dumbo. He started out deceiving everyone he was a Christian. After he was exposed, he's now laying claim to superior knowledge in matters of religion. Sounds more like superior lies.
Just imagine if we had let it slide when he claimed to be a Christian. We Christians need to be on our guard bro. There's the intellectual wing of Islamic terrorism and I suspect this guy belongs to such. They always come with taqqiya claiming to be Christians but more enlightened to know that Islam is better than Christianity.
We have to be on our guard to always expose these evil machinations. One sure thing is, they can never come to declare Jesus Christ as the Lord and Saviour of the world. That's the way to catch them.
God bless you bro.

What he has been displaying since is term taqqiya (permissible lies) even in quran allah is term has a best deceiver but what they do is to reinterpret a passage to sound justifiable to their sermons.

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, hypocrisy? Again, repeating SAME THING! Nawa o. You sabi read at all? Did you see the circumstances I exposed to you? Anyway, it's expected.

Let me make this clear.. Cos at this point, you are grasping at straws as you have NO REPLY. It's not a must you "disagree".. The facts are already there. Whether you agree or not is your own headache. I am not here to convince you, but to make facts known so other logical people can read and understand. Your opinion is inconsequential, as far as I am concerned.

Because no matter what I say, your ignorant and biased mind is already made. So what's the point? You'll keep wasting my time running round the circle in ignorance, and I will not donate my precious time to that.

Repeating myself, regurgitating, repeating myself, regurgitating. Mr repeater, if you truly making a point, you probably would come with more reasonable thoughts than oh! I'm done repeating myself

2. Muslim scholars don't wetin? Another ignorance! Ever heard of Ahmed Deedat(if I get the spelling right), Dr Zakir Naik? They are among the best religious scholars and every atheist should know them. So another FALSE claim.

I was being careful not to mention Zakir Nair and Ahmed Deedat because I don't want to derail the my stance on "the justification of killing in Islam". Do you know those two guys have not granted Dr. David Wood and Sam Shamoun call for debate? All what they do is create a video to refute some points these raised. The one (muhammed hijab) that granted David Wood the debate(3 hrs) was blabbing and making disjointed points on the stage like you have done so far. And for atheists, quite a number of them had discussion with DW and you can guess what happened. I will equally urge you to read the comments on DW YouTube channel and Sam Shamoun, you can also join the Apostate Prophet. There are many of them like that.

3. Christians CANNOT ENGAGE IN ANY DISCUSSION WITH SCIENTISTS. The Bible CANNOT stand such a heat. They can't stand good atheists either.

Huh? My brother, I thought you claim to be a historian?

A little findings might make a difference.

My brother, you are delusional!

It takes a deluded mind to know a delusional person.

God go help us sha.. Especially from religious extremists!

Especially from pseudo-intellectual person(s).

Shalom!

SilverNorGold:
My brother, it is a waste of time engaging someone whose level of knowledge is like kindergarten. REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER about how some black sheep and evil people are intentionally abusing religion to justify their wicked acts DESPITE ALL MY EXPLANATIONS, EVEN GOING DOWN HISTORY LANE AND CITING QUR'AN AND OTHER AUTHORITIES, shows how low your level of comprehension is.

You couldn't reply to that my long post, only to smuggle in Boko Haram and other bad eggs, thereby dragging us back to level 1. Do you think everyone is jobless?

If you don't have the knowledge to debate, keep quiet. Go through ALL MY POSTS, INCLUDING THE FIRST ONE ON THE FRONT PAGE.

I WILL NOT REPEAT MYSELF ON THIS ANYMORE. A lot of you Christians are just TOO ignorant and that's why you can't face the atheists and intelligent muslims.

See how I tore your allegations to pieces despite the fact that I am NOT A MUSLIM, but a Christian like you. Citing stuff out of point, and when busted, you revert to using the black sheep again. How can you understand Islam when history is required to understand the book?

My brother, go and face your "verse 1 said this but verse 20 said that" crew, because your level of knowledge never reach. Lol..

Again, I am done repeating myself.



God bless us all.

You reek of hypocrisy. All what you posted previously I have dealt with in my response and I should remind you, the posts or rather comments you referred me to lack logic based on the topic of the discourse. You said muslims act in self defense and yet muhammad was given the order or let me say directed to fight people until they accept Islam as recorded in sahih muslim. So, keep those crap to yourself. Killing in Islam is justified both in quran and hadith. In fact, in that sahih muslim, the interpretation is if you don't profess allah you will be killed.

You busted nothing bro.

@bold that's most dumb thing you've ever said so far. The illogical reasoning in Islam you muslims display made you think, you are making points but you are not.

muslim scholars don't even engage atheists in intellectual discussion and if they do, they end up blabbing and stuttering and resort to aggressive attacks on such atheist.

Christians engage in intellectual discussions with both atheists and scientists successfully go check history.

Shalom!

Well, if this is true, the governors both the past and the present should be accountable for the deplorable condition of the state.

Love back to life

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, you are bringing BH because you have nothing else to say. I have already covered all the nonsense you posted in my previous posts, go back and reread.

2. Lastly, I advise you all to get some enlightenment. Your knowledge of Islam and Christianity is close to zero, too weak. The other guy changed tone after he saw my other side. So stop repeating SAME thing over and over again. If you don't have point, which is obvious, go to bed.

No be by force to argue. And before you go to bed, try to reply to all the criticism about your religion that's littered in the religion section, which I am 100% is mission impossible for you.

So go to bed as you lack the necessary knowledge to discuss comparative religion.

May God bless us all.

You covered nonsense? Yeah, it is indeed nonsense.

You are the one who actually needs to the enlightenment on the said topic.

Oh I see, I never remember I was comparing Christianity to Islam. But I remember that I was telling you that killing and all of the atrocities in Islam are justified in the hadith and quran with references I gave. Lol, so far, you are the one comparing here.

What am I repeating? Can you point me to what I've been regurgitating?

SilverNorGold:
Lol, my sister. I go dey rock my Christianity dey go o. But I respect Muslims, the Qur'an and the Prophet. I have Muslim friends, and I really do enjoy their company.

My issue is with intolerance by my fellow Christians. I have noticed how severe it has become. This isn't what Jesus taught us. Another thing I like about Muslims is how much they respect Jesus.

I don't believe in humans judging humans. Everyone should follow their religion and do the right thing. Let God do the judging.

God bless you.

Stop exuding your ignorance about Christians and Christianity. Muslims attack Christians faith every day even in their preachings. I know you have not heard them preaching hate against Christians but I want to tell I have heard them several times. I live in a muslim community.

If you are talking about intolerance, your Islam and you muslims are the most intolerant sect on earth. How can you see evidence and still be defending falsehood and calling us that expose the atrocities perpetrated by their warlord muhammad liars? If I should quote another quran and hadith you will say I am quoting OUT OF CONTEXT with your reinterpretation forgetting that these two authentic books are just straight in its explanation. That is why quran depends on hadith to explain so many things.

If you say muslims respect Jesus Christ, and yet despise His followers to the point of death by these same people, then I will say, the taqqiya in Islam is really doing it work on you.

SilverNorGold:
1. LOL, My brother, like I said, you quoted OUT OF CONTEXT, and I actually anticipated this reply. Let me give you the context.. You didn't even quote the most commonly misquoted one, Quran 9:5.. Which instructed Muslims to kill the pagans. I'll explain the context of all of these verses..

First, you must go to history to actually understand the Qur'an. You cannot just sit in a beer parlor and begin to gather misquotations you copied from anti-Islam blogs. You have to do better than that. I am not even a Muslim, but see how easy it was for me to disprove your allegations.

The reason behind these verses is that the mushrikeen, who were pagans, and other leaders, like the monarch of Mecca all waged war against Mohammed at that time. The Prophet and his new converts were persecuted and decrees were made to stop Prophet Muhammad as the number of converts were intimidating. Not only that, there were countless of failed assassination attempts on the Prophet's life. They had to flee.

But this too didn't help. The Arabs joined, thousands of Muslims were wiped out. This led to the Battle of the Trench.. Despite the ruthless massacre and near annihilation, some survived.

There are so many others, but I'll be brief.. All these resulted in the verses of self defense and Jihad, which means "fighting for survival".. The Qur'an never preached that non-muslims be killed. In fact, Qur'an 5:32 said: "Whoever kills a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he has saved the whole of humanity.”..

Here, it's absolutely clear the Qur'an is against what you are falsely accusing it of. It only teaches self defense and most of those verses were made in the battlefield.

2. Accusing me of apostasy? Lol, you are funny. That I am a Christian doesn't mean I should believe in petty lies just to spite the Muslims. That's not what Jesus taught us. Jesus never did such. And besides, why cry over Islam when there are loads of issues from the Bible the atheists and other religion folks raised on this Forum? Why not intelligently reply to them and win more souls for Christ instead of mastubating on Muslim issues and using lies to demonize the adherents? So first remove the Iroko tree from your own eyes so you can see clearly to remove the speck from your neighbor's eye.. Go and reply the embarrassing allegations against christianity in the religious section and let Islam be. Attacking Islam wouldn't win you converts. But following the teachings of Christ and intelligently answering questions raised will.


3. I have replied to the apostasy issue. I have also given you a brief history. I don't like repeating myself. Regarding Prophet Muhammad's Hijra to Yathrib(Medina), the monotheistic people of Yathrib fell in love with Muhammad's message and sent a delegation to him so he can serve as their chief arbitrator. This was due to the fighting, especially the battle of Bu’ath involving the Arab and the Jew. A central authority to settle dispute was needed. Mohammed was chosen. So he, Mohammed, started by creating a constitution, which was basically a federal state, and that's how the "people of the book", referring to the Jews and Christians, came to be.

Again, persecution and the likes forced Mohammed to write more verses, instructing the Muslims to defend themselves.

My brother, there are a lot you should know, before you begin leveling false accusations.

May God bless us.

What are you talking about?

Who is attacking your Islam?
Stop saying what you don't know. Even many muslims know that they are the ones that attack non-muslims. Except if you would tell me the chibok girls BH abducted almost 8 years ago were attacking Islam.
They are the ones who are spreading Islam by terror. Stop saying non-muslims attack on allah are the reason for all of these atrocities they are perpetrating.

If you could read the history of Islam , why could you not read why they behead innocent lives especially Christians and still stand by it for the reward of 72virgins.
Many Christians they abducted in the North and kill, were they attacking your muhammad?
Stop saying what you don't know.

adams123:
ISLAM MEANS PEACE!!!

ISLAM SAYS DRESS PROPERLY BUT u guys say no that mini skirt is better... RESULT IS RAPING.

Hahaha! I know you don't know anything other than what you were told in arabic class. Imagine a muslim saying Islam means peace...

Islam means submission. I will teach you Islam.

Salam means peace

adams123:
MATTHEW 15 VS 24 ....Jesus said he was only sent to Israelites and u guys are here making noise, are u guys israelites??



New King James Version
But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

King James Bible
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Christian Standard Bible
He replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Contemporary English Version
Jesus said, "I was sent only to the people of Israel! They are like a flock of lost sheep." 

Good News Translation
Then Jesus replied, "I have been sent only to the lost sheep of the people of Israel." 

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 

International Standard Version
But he replied, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel."

Why do you pray in arabic and not in your mother's tongue? Why will you be considered infidel if you don't recite quran in arabic?

SilverNorGold:
My brother, I think I am done here.
Make una continue with una unchristian attitude.
Again, I am a Christian and I am not Dermmy.
God bless us all.

What is unchristian attitude?

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, the correct diction is "cited".. "the source you cited or quoted"..

2. Surah An-Nisa [4:76-86] says: "Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who do not, only fight for the powers of evil; so you should fight the allies of Satan. Surely the stratagem of Satan is ineffective.."

Again, you have quoted COMPLETELY out of context. What is fight in this context? What's the circumstances? Lol.. You are funny.

Out of context? No, the literal translation
Those who believed, fight/kill in God`s sake, and those who disbelieved fight/kill in the devil/idol`s sake, so fight/kill the devil`s supporters/allies/followers, that the devil`s conspiracy/deceit was weak.
Fight in this context is kill the disbelievers (that is, the kafr) and the disbelieve people of medina that do not believe muhammad and his claims being prophet, so muhammad waged war on them because of the idol they worship. The question is why fight/kill those who do not believe Islam? Similar things he did in 8:57, 67 not there alone even with Christian 33:26

That aside

3. I have given you the types of apostasies, which include minor apostasy like rejecting the religion and major apostasy like rejecting the religion and WAGING WAR ON ALLAH and his Prophet.

My explanation regarding the atheist was in response to the verse you quoted, which you didn't even read. Lol.. That's a clear example of WAGING WAR on Allah and his Prophet as, historically speaking, some atheists were known to be waging war on Allah and Islam after dumping Islam. Not all were originally Islam, but most were.. But that's not the issue. The issue is on the war. Which proves that Islam is NOT actually against apostasy, as long as you don't wage war on Allah and his Prophet. This is where history comes into play.

I can sense the apostasy you did by claiming you are Christian and still vehemently fighting the cause of muhammad /allah

4. War against apostasy? My brother, read with comprehension. The issue is not with apostasy, but attacking the religion and Allah and his Prophet. I have cited verses to justify that.

Why did the people in medina attack Islam, muhammad and allah in the first place? Because they disbelieve? Tell me which apostate/atheist you know that attack allah. Mention few people that you know.

5. How countries decide to apply this rule is their own headache. The Quran is pretty clear about this.

6. Regurgitating arguments is going round in circles. Repeating the same thing over and over is a no for me. So before you reply, read and understand.

May God bless us.

quran is clear on killing for allah of course.

SilverNorGold:
My brother, they are my explanations, backed by quotations from the Qur'an and other authorities. They are not copy and paste. They are my explanations. I also cited sources, which are there..

God bless us all.

Okay let's see how it goes.

oluwaniyi66:
You are funny

Why na

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, I quoted the Holy Book, and you are saying "copying and pasting"? Lol, funny..

2. At the emboldened, you are regurgitating same thing. I already explained that, even told you about the Islamic hierarchy, the types of apostasy, which I justified by quoting the Qur'an(which you accused me of copying and pasting).. The atheists behave like our Nairaland atheists behave, attack Allah, Islam and his Prophet, which is punishable. This is the major or complete apostasy I talked about. However, Islam doesn't support killing of people who left Islam or doesn't believe in Islam. I cited verses from the Qur'an, see my previous post.

The issue is on waging war on Allah and his Prophet after dumping Islam, and I cited the Book. Please go back and reread them.

3. You are still repeating the same thing.

May God help us all.

You quoted albaqarah which is fine, the explanation that follows were copied. That aside.
@bold
Who is waging war on allah? So, they are waging war on allah and muhammad ask them to fight /kill in qn4:76?

I'm repeating it because the source you copied the reinterpretation from is not in line with the volume. More so, how can you say if you don't accept Islam that is apostasy for you or them to reach a conclusion of two types apostasy? Apostasy is when you declare that you are no longer doing something again or denounce that thing. The one you call lesser apostasy which is you don't accept Islam, cannot be apostasy. And you said, apostates wage war on allah is another heresy by you muslims. Apostasy is a way of protecting Islam. Can you give example of war apostates waged against your religion?

adams123:
I'm not justifying any killing.. BLASPHEMY IS NOT A KILLING OFFENSE IN ISLAM. THERE ARE OFFENSES THAT WILL NECESSITATE PUTTING ONE TO DEATH.
But I'm telling you that there are errors in the Bible and for book of guidance to humanity from God Almighty supposed not to have any error or contradiction

The book that is filled up with errors is quran.

SilverNorGold:
My brother, I have replied to this.
God bless you.

Please stop copying and paste explanation

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, first, there's no compulsion in religion, according to Qur'an 2.256.. In the Islamic kabbalah, the Qur'an is the most authoritative. Any sayings that goes against it is null and void.

2. There are two types of apostasy in Islam: Simple Apostasy and Complete Apostasy.. Simple apostasy is when someone decides not to follow Islam. This is permitted in the Qur'an, as there's no compulsion in religion.

However, the Complete Apostasy is when one leaves Islam and then begins to attack it. Historically, such elements once conspired with the enemies of Islam to persecute the Muslims. Hence, the resistance. It was like treason at the time. Similarly, the verses you quoted referred to an atheist, who attacked the tenets of Islam.

"Verily, those who believed and then disbelieved, then believed and then disbelieved and increased in disbelief, never will Allah forgive them nor will He guide them to a right way."

Surah An-Nisa 4:137.. Hete, Allah didn't instruct anyone to kill them, but rather, assured them of their punishment afterlife.

"There is no compulsion in religion. The truth is distinct from misguidance."

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256..


"Say: The truth is from your Lord. So whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve."

Surah Al-Kahf 18:29


But see what Allah said about the complete apostasy:

"A man who rejects Islam and wages war against Allah the Exalted and His Messenger."

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4048

The waging of the war against Allah is the emphasis, not the apostasy. Here's what Allah says about Waging war:

"Whoever kills others, spreads corruption in the land, wages war against Allah and His Messenger, and he joins the unbelievers before he is subdued, then there is nothing to prevent the legal punishment from being applied to him because of what he did."

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4046..

Here, it's obvious apostasy and waging war on Islam, Allah and his Prophet is frowned upon.

Brother, you tried. I love the copy and paste reinterpretation from your source.

Although, you seem not to agree to the fact that killing is justified even with what you just copied.

From the same volume albukhari, the first sentence talks about burning atheists (Zanadiqa) (which is also killing) by Ali. But remember, when Ibn Abass heard it, he said, if it were to be him, won't have burned them but killed them (that is, Zanadiqa) because muhammad has told them to kill.

Isn't this enough evidence to killing justification in Islam?

From the copy and paste you dropped, you quoted qn2:256 no compulsion in religion but you didn't see the volume we discussing go the opposite way of that sura? When there is apostasy in religion, that is a clear cut compulsion, that you must not do any other religion except Islam.

adams123:
you Christians need to learn ISLAM very well... I'm a Muslim but I read Bible.. I compare them because I want to know the truth so that I won't be ignorantly worshipping in a wrong form. You Christians need to take that path instead of all the insults u guys are pouring here.

NOTE! IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR BOOK OF GUIDANCE(QUR'AN) THAT JESUS WILL COME BACK TO THE WORLD AND WE MUSLIM HOLD JESUS CHRIST WITH HIGH ESTEEM AS A PROPHET OF GOD.

Brother, study the Bible don't just read it. With Bible, you are allowed to ask questions not like what al-maida 101-102 says in quran. I know you hold Bible as a corrupt book in your mind like what you have been made to believe. But when you read quran do stop to ask why this is this with no reinterpretation. Ask questions on each event in quran and hadith.

Shalom!

SilverNorGold:
1. My brother, again, I am a sincere guy and a Christian too. Christ never instructed me to attack others, and so be it.

2. You are funny. The questions asked require few sentences. It's all about you justifying your false allegations. You made the allegations, so the onus is on you to prove them.

3. If you were serious, you would have created your thread to post your justification, instead of asking me to create a thread. You made allegations, I asked for evidence and you are now asking me to create a thread, isn't that funny?

Finally, my brother. Live and let others live. Stop misquoting people's scriptures just to portray ours as the best. Instead of wasting time chasing shadows, why not reply to allegations against christianity littered on this Forum?

God bless us all.

There is no false allegations in what I said about justifiable killing in Islam. What I said is true which is contained in quran and hadith. I know some Muslims ustaz have reinterpreted some surat and hadith to you to make it look like it is not justified to kill

By the way, let me see what your explanation will be on apostasy in hadith albukhari volume 6922. Read it first before you explain it.

SilverNorGold I just gave you a tips of the iceberg that killing is justified from a trusted hadith. You can reinterpret it to give different meaning.

techrola:
Una Sabi fear, respect other religion believes..

Stop any act of provocation..

Very simple, don't insult prophet..

What is so difficult about that..

Do you believe what you just displayed is one of the tenets and teaching of Islam?

techrola:
Cry cry baby

Shalom!

SilverNorGold:
My brother, again, you are quoting out of context. Again, I am not a Muslim. I am also not a Muslim apologist. I am just a honest dude.

1. I challenge you to quote a verse and then narrate to me the circumstances surrounding it. Justify your allegation.

2. I stand by my words, and I challenge you to prove otherwise, by providing the circumstances.

3. I challenge you to tell me why the other millions of Christians in Nigeria and billions in the world are not killing people in obedience to the alleged instructions.

4. I challenge you to tell me why an Imam, Imam Abubakar Abdullahi., would do the opposite. Which means your allegations are faulty.

5. I know about the Crusades, all the levels, inside out.. And the so called justification, I challenge you to enumerate the lies and watch me tear all of them to pieces.

We should stop all the Unchristian attacks.

May God help us all.

Funny you! You are not a muslim and a Muslim apologist then what are you?

We will both be on a long ride with this challenge. Create a separate thread title it in defense of Islam against non-muslims. There we will both display our knowledge of quran and hadith.
I believe we will also discuss jihad and it true cause.
Shalom!