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saintmark88:
Wrong bro, US refused to sell arms not because of any human right violation tin, the main reason was because they feared the arms might eventually get into the wrong hands (boko Haram), because it was at tht time tht Boko Haram was attacking military installions n disarming them n carting away with weapons of d military now thts y the US refused to sell........ Nd all this happened over GEJ tenure, they simply didn't sell to him because they saw him as a joke. An ineffectual buffoon

What exactly are you smoking, young man? Seriously you need to have your head checked up.

MrBendel:
I dont think you are in Nigeria. Nigeria's image was all time low during Jonathan asides from Abacha. Dont be deceived by the so called FDI during GEJ, those were foreigners who say a loop hole in our system and made so much profit from it without any developmental impact on the country. GEJ handed over a government and country in a very bad shape. We must show some patience with the current administration. The constant attacking and cursing will not change anything.

You are a CHRONIC liar and BRAINWASHED nutcase. You could not even read, though the links are there for you. SHAME.

coolbis:
in response to your questions; nigeria made $480b from the sale of crude between 2010 and 2015 and was only able to save $2.1b in ECA and paltry sum of $2.4b in SWF,while its foreign reserve depreciated year in year out from $49b in 2010 to $27.8b as at 30th of may 2015 and its debt profile increased astronomically within this period. You dont require a professor of economist to tell you these were recipes for economic disasters, it was just a matter of time. Nigeria is a mono-economy with over 80% of its foreign earnings coming from crude oil sale, so its only logical to expect a sharp drop in foreign earnings, which in turn affects the access to foreign exchange. This is where simple law of opportunity cost comes in, how do you now apply your very lean foreign reserve in view of the fact that you may not be having any extra source of earning any time soon. Liberalising the forex market has done us no good even in the past, from the days of SAP to present days. May I remind you that just in 2014, nigeria devalued its currency by over 20%, yet this had no positive impact on our economy. Simple truth is that ask your brother jona to tell us how come we made so much money within the time of his reign yet we incurred about the highest debt ever in the history of nigeria.

You did not answer any of the questions, man. You only did the classic APC thing: blame GEJ.

Unfortunately the question was not about what happened invthe last administration. The question was (and still is) where did PMB get the money to run his government, and even had the excess to handle the other issues I raised?

There is no way you can explain that scenario (and still insist that GEJ left nothing) without acknowledging that your god's govt. imposed forex restrictions and undue forex scarcity in order to illegally raise money from the unsuspecting masses. QED

coolbis:
nigerians have very short memory, we all have forgotten that this crisis started first quarter of 2015 where NOI stated categorically that we needed to tighten our belt cos nigeria is not making as much as it made the last 4 years. As a matter of fact in one of the interviews granted to the newsmen,NOI admitted that the government had to borrow to pay January and February salary. It was within this period that the govt of PDP could not pay the subsidy owed the fuel marketer, thereby leaving behind long fuel queues and backlog of fuel subsidy running into hundreds of billions of naira. This present govt on assumption of office had to battle with all these mess and was able to bring sanity after paying the backlog.
If the problem the foreign investors have is devaluation of our currency, then they should look for other investment destinations, devaluation of our currency in the past has done us no good, so I stand by Mr president on this.

You are really very funny.

Your assertion is that the last administration could not pay Jan. and Feb. salaries and oil subsidies in 2015 because the govt. was broke, right? So answer these:

Since the 2016 budget is still unavailable, and oil price went even lower:

1. Where did PMB get the money to pay off the backlog of oil subsidies?

2. Where did PMB get the money to pay fedral salaries all through 2015?

3. Where did PMB get money to bail out the so many broke states around the nation?

4. Where did PMB get money to continue the fight against BH?

5. Where did PMB get the money that keeps his govt. and its massive propaganda running?

6: Where did PMB get the money to fund all his massive presidential travels?

There is only one logical answer to all the above, in 4 steps:

Step 1. Peg the forex at a ridiclously artificial low price and call it the official window.

Step 2. Create forex scarcity with your policies, and refuse most people access to forex at the official window.

Step 3: Make sure parallel market sells at a high price, then tell them to go source their own forex.

Step 4. Create a close knitt racket through wich you round trip the forex and rob innocent nigerians of their hard-earned money making nearly 100% profit out of thin air without work or noise.

Bam you have more than enough fund to keep your lopsided govt. and its cronies going while the rest of the populace moan and languish in pains.

This very scenario is the root of all the SUDDEN HIKE in economic woes we now have. It has absolutely little or nothing to do with the price of crude or past administration.

OP the incoherent lies you wrote up there remind me of the story of a babler trying to get a grip on his stupendous early morning hangover. If you really want to know what's up, here's the way to go:

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Kenai:
Wah wah waaaah!

"South East lost by not supporting Buhari"

"South East put their eggs in one basket"

"South East miscalculated by not supporting Buhari"

"South East is blinded by tribalism"

"South East was politically naive and lacked sophistication for not supporting change"

"South East will be on the wrong side of history for not supporting Buhari"

"South East miscalculated seriously by not supporting Buhari"

...

Well, with the events playing out, it sure looks to me like the South-East were the WISER ones for refusing to be deceived by the FAKE change and propaganda.

When history comes to judge you and you think of the role you played in electing a 73 year-old illiterate tribal supremacist and coup-plotting ex-dictator to rule your country of over 170 million people in the 21st century, would you be proud of yourself?

From "Buhari is a reformed democrat", the new narrative being pushed by his lapdogs today is "democracy is an obstacle to the war on corruption". "Let us withdraw the constitution to help Buhari fight corruption".

Your parents queued up for long hours in 1984 for milk, rice and beans; you'd have to be a gullible dimwit to think Buhari gives a damn about you queueing up for long hours in 2016 for fuel.

A people with no knowledge of their history will never be gifted with the skills of retrospective analysis, and are bound to keep repeating their mistakes. This is exactly why it was easy to pick up an expired ethnic bigot and despotic illiterate from the dustbin of history, and dust him up into a "reformed democrat" in the eyes of the gullible, ignorant populace

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And in case you want to be sure that the economic woes and gross national hardship you are now crying about is actually the fruit of your collective folly in 2015 presidential election (contrary to your bold but mindless lie that wailers are responsible for it), here are the amazing PROPHETIC warnings that all of you zombies ridiculed a few months ago:


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Fellow Nigerians, I want you to take note of the followings that will unavoidably happen under the Buhari-led government in 2016.

1. Workers Strike: There will be so much industrial unrest, especially in the first quarter of the year.

2. Subsidy: There will be removal of fuel subsidy and petrol (PMS) will sell over and above N100/litre, leaving the masses in more serious hardship. Product will not be available and long queue in petrol stations will persist throughout the first quarter of 2016 and beyond.

3. Electricity: Power generation will drop to the lowest ebb. Still, Federal Government will increase tariff in 2016.

4. Unemployment: Millions of jobs will be lost in 2016 as against the three million jobs promised by the APC yearly. Most States and Federal Government will retrench workers as evident in the over 2,000 Federal University workers already sacked.

5. Economic Policy: Most private owned middle-class businesses will fold up because of bad economic policies of the Buhari-led government.

6. Devaluation: The Naira will continue to have a free fall which will take it to as low as N320 to one Dollar.

7. Economy: The Buhari-led FG will have no solution to the country's economic problems.

8. Security: Boko Haram will keep spreading and the Shiite Muslims will get more emboldened.

9. Human Rights: Penchant for dictatorship will rise with rampant human rights abuses and disobedience to court orders.

10. Anti-Corruption: Insincerity in the fight against corruption will continue and the fight will not only be selective and political, but targeted more at Southerners.

11. Elections: Attempt to forcefully control any of the South South States of Akwa Ibom, Rivers and Bayelsa by the APC will lead to unprecedented deaths.

12. Economy: Crude oil price will fall to below and about $30 per barrel.

13. Anti-Press Laws: The masses, especially men of the media profession will rise against the FG's plot to deny Nigerians of their rights to freedom of expression. There will wide condemnations by Nigerians and the International community against President Buhari's human rights abuses and disobedience to court orders.

14. Polity: Renewed efforts will be made to remove Senator Bukola Saraki as the Senate President; this will not only fail, but will heat the polity.

15. Hardships: Nigerians will experience more hardships. The President himself attested to this (THE SUN newspaper Tuesday, December 15, 2015). This obviously negates the change Nigerians voted for.

16. Elections: Plot by the APC to take control of at least one South South State will lead to death of many people. Particularly, rerun elections in Rivers and Akwa-Ibom States will cause many deaths.

17. Corruption: Halliburton scam may be revisited in 2016.

19. Kogi State: Court will sack Governor-Elect, Yahaya Bello.
Bayelsa State: Governor Seriake Dickson will win the supplementary election.
Taraba State: Governor Darius Ishaku will be victorious at the Court.

20. Politics: There will be subtle political alignment and realignment before the end of the year ahead of 2019 elections.

Ayo fayose
Governor, Ekiti State
ekitigov2014@gmail.com

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Want to see how you zombies reacted at the time the prophecy was made public? Follow this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/2818478/20-things-nigerians-may-experience

johnmartus:
That's what Jonathan put us to not buhari let's be realistic

So it was Jonathan that appointed buhari as the minister of petroleum, and asked him to play baba-ijebu with our nation by changing the existing fuel importation and distribution proceedure without conducting adequate feasibility studies, right?

Some times I wonder whether you folks are truly human beings.

plaetton:
Oh. I forgot to mention that I was a science major.
As such, I rely on scientific rationalism to make sense of reality and existence.

So far , I have see no reason , no iota of evidence to believe in the existence of god.
Even If I am wrong , I would still rely on rational science to come to that conclusion, not stone age mythologies.

If the belief in a God can and do make people better citizens of humanity, then sure , by all means, believe.

But, history has shown the opposite to be true.

Okay, I think we are getting somewhere ( though I noticed the variatio in both titles of your two mentions of God).

From your above axplaination, you have not seen any evidence that's rational enough to make you believe in the existence of God, but AT THE SAME TIME, you are not yet absolutely CERTAIN (in other words, you also have not yet found enough rational evidence to prove) that God does not exist.

This brings us to the second question:

2. Was there ever a time in your life at which you absolutely believed there was God?

plaetton:
Neither.

I have no need to prove that the sun shines or that gravity pulls.
They are self evident...

I grew up in a society where people, not God, built a good functional , civilised society.
In that society, my neighbor's religious beliefs , what ever they are, do not affect me in any way whatsoever.

Therefore, God exists, God doesn't not exist , totally irrelevant, in the same way that the Toothfairy may or not exist.

In Nigeria, my neighbor's religious beliefs are not only a great inconvenience, but a great burden that I must involuntarily carry.

In Nigeria and in much of the middle East, the belief in God is a very very serious problem for the rest of humanity.
I have seen first hand , and continue to see the havoc that stone age religious beliefs can wreck on individuals, communities and societies.

So I come here to repudiate, mock, push back and dismantle lethal mythologies, lethal mythologies that keeps the African mind perpetually anchored in ignorance and the dark ages.

My posture is more of a reactionary than a provocateur of religious disputes.

I'm totally relying on the assumption that you'd be 100% honest when you answer these questions. You're sure not obliged to respond truthfully though, but I may not be able to proceed if the discourse cannot be based on an honest and consistent baring of your convictions.

Talking about consistency, I really wish you can keep your respobses as crisp and direct as possible.

So if I understand you well, you are saying that neither the existence or non existence of God means anything to you. In other words neither of the two moves you.

But then, while people's belief in God in a developed soceity is not an issue with you, the same belief infuriates you when it's demonstrated in a developing clime.

If all the above is true, am I right then to say that your argument is NOT that God does not exist, rather the issue is that you do not subscribe to the way SOME Africans (and Asians) EXPRESS their belief in God?

If the above is your true position, does it not bother you that people are misinterpreting your intentions?

plaetton:
Lol@ sovereign law giver and very supreme judge of the entire universe.

THOR's father, Odin, comes to mind.

So, can we agree that Odin is that perfect and supreme law giver and judge of the universe ?

If no, kindly give your reasons.

Plaetton, I perceive that you're an honest man. For that reason I would like to ask you a series of questions, starting with the following:

1. As an individual, when it comes to the issues relating to God, which of the following DRIVES you:

a) The need and desire to prove the existence of God.

b) The need and desire to disprove the existence of God.

banttieman:
Baba pls go.

Wailers will wail and wait for your arrival noni.

Safe trip Baba

From US to China - does this man follow any kind of foreign policy at all?

plaetton:
Lol.

God is not bound by the laws of his creation , except when walks in garden, unable to locate Abel, expressed fear about the capabilities of humans, admits to petty jealousy, screams at Moses, weeps and repents, fights with Jacob and then gets so hor.NY that he rapes a young virgin to give him a son.

Yeah.
Tell that to the birds.

Two things to take note of (and I truly value you so much as a person to say more than this).

1. The perfect GOD (whom you know) WAS and IS being communicated to the people through imperfect and fragile human-temperaments. (YAWH is darn too secure to bother about any smear or misrepresentation he gets fromdue to his less than perfect human agents).

2. Human interpretations (yours and mine inclusive) of law and morality are too shallow to be used as benchmark or scope of analysis for the Soverign Law Giver and The Very Supreme Judge Of The Entire Universe (and all that's in it).

It's funny to think that you, I or anyone else can bring God into disrepute or judgment for any reason. So funny.

plaetton:
I concede that he did little to curb it.
That's the only crime we can hold him accountable for.

Bros, I disagree with you on the above statement.

Until it's proven that there was indeed widespread corruption in GEJ's administration, I'm not going to concede to or in anyway succumb to APC's lousy propanganda. As long as Dasuki's gift (of elite cars and cash) to PMB is seen as normal, no amount of mumbojumbo will make me trade the ongoing propaganda for reality.

GEJ has not even spoken, neither is he lobbying anyone. Do you think he's crazy? All the ongoing demonization of GEJ and his crew by this set of holy rogues is just a game of distraction designed to make tyranny and dictatorship appear attractive. The ongoing development is simply the same diabolical formula they used to sell an unrepentant dictator as a repentant a true democrat to millions of thoughtless Nigerians.

dare2differ:
That is the biggest lie ever

Try again!

I wasn't the one that pointed out their ethnic group.




Lest I forget, Ivy leagues schools use quota systems too

Suite yourself, son.

dare2differ:
I read the 'igbo' part

And i don't know which of you is more ****, Teens that are as brilliant as those two kids needn't worry about quota systems or marginalisation.

Why are yoou worrying your heads? Oh! I know. You love to start issues where there is none.

Even if your jamb score was 400 and your SSCE was 9 A1s, you'd never be offered admisson into ALL the fedral universities in Nigeria, maybe in the ones within your Geo Political Zone/catchment area, but never in ALL. That's the point.

And, before you forget, you were the very first person to start "worrying your head" on this thread. You are the first to "start issues where there is none." So please take note.

dare2differ:
I am 1100% that there are Yorubas, Hausas, Efiks teenagers who have had the same offers.

Why do you guys like you are the only one on earth?

You missed the boat. The guy was talking about quota system and maginalisation, but your ethnic bias has bent your mind and forced you to read bigotry into his statement.

Oildichotomy:
This doesn't add up though but what do I know

Igbo kwenu! Proud of you my lady

You have issues with basic comprehension then.

Silvofitz:
I agree we have to appreciate some Methuselah who have been around for ages, though we doubt if they are not plagued with amnesia already. As it appears you're older than Nigeria, could you please, browse your megalocephallon, and tell the world any previous history of corruption linked to Buhari?

You don't need to look into history to see how corrupt your little god is unless you're blind. He put the corruption in your face when, for the first time in the history of Nigeria, it is about to be passed into law as an appropriation bill.

A legalized fraud/corruption being touted as 2016 budget.

An upright man would have withdrawn the proposal, but no, your angel lobbied for its passage (without making any ammendment on the ducument). Yet, this was the same document for which he just sacked someone, even though he was the one that created the document with his cronies. (Hint: that was the reason for the first 6 months of silence and zero appointment of "noise makers".

But do you even have the mental capacity to comprehend what's going on in your face right now? What then makes you think you can comprehend history when it shows up?

Silvofitz:
Some of you are so brainwashed that you cannot read between the lines. You need some level of IQ to understands some of the postings on Nairaland. Unfortunately, some of you are in the habit of opening your stinking buccal cavity before consulting your hitherto empty gumption.
In the allegory, I pointed it out that the previous ADMINISTRATIONS, and not just Goodluck Jonathan's alone, had weakened the nation before the present administration. But expectedly, some of you are so naive to distinguish between singular and plural. I only made copious reference to Jonathan's because of the massive corruption that characterized his government. And if you don't see anything wrong in the huge money siphoned by Allison Madueke, Sambo Dasuki, et al, I may have to doubt if you're from a sane community.

Your arrogance is nauseating.

If you meant ALL past administrations why did you use GEJ on your headline? Why did you single him out in your opening paragraph?

Why do you seek to exonorate PMB by omiting his name from the narative even though he was among the very first leaders that raped democracy out of Nigeria and got her into economic comma in 1984?

He is effectively repeating the same scenario in 2016 and here you are, a teenage nutcase, trying to explain a situation that your tiny brain-bandwidth could not contain.

ChetaNwaeze:
Did you see the list of the senators that followed saraki to court? Senator Ike Ekweremadu, Senator Samuel Anyanwu, Senator Andy Uba etc. We Igbos are the only one supporting Saraki and it is a shame on our tribe.

So in your show of ignorance 3 out of 12 is now the majority, right? You are obviously dumb on two grounds.

1.
If you are truly an igbo man you would have had enough numeric sense to question why the writer failed to mention the names of all the 12 senators but was quick to highlight those of igbo extraction.

2.
If you are anything near political savviness you would have had enough sense to understand that PDP's solidarity with Saraki in this hour of persecution will make it easier for them to naturally inherit the support of SBS's APC loyalists if he eventually goes down.

But why should I expect you to have any atom of reasoning, you are probably a 21 years old boy browsing NL on free data.

kenny987:
Mba o! Udo di nwannem. Ahu a dikwa?

Mhhh. Ngwanu nne m, ekene diri chukwu. Anyi no mma. Ike chukwu kariri ike buhari.

kenny987:
Thugs? That's an unnecessarily harsh word that smacks of a biased mindset....

Nnem, kee ebe igara? Oteela aka m'no nele anya gi. Ama m na nsogbu adigho?

ehinmowo:
my points:
1. grazing reserves are advocated by some of d best minds Nigeria can offer, d benefits are almost countless

2. u cnt compare Igbo or Yorubas to Fulanis who are largely crude, nomadic, unschooled (no apologies)

3. you sound very tribalistic and bias (you sound inferior. sorry if that is harsh)

4. it is an insult to Christianity when you say that someone wants to jslamise Nigeria. that cannot happen. nit subtly and never by force

You are just exposing the height of your gullibility.

You are either not a Christian or you are grossly ignorant of jihad and islamic propagation methotologies in both ancient and recent histories. Unfortunately, you cannot even begin to imagine the far reaching consequences you create when you feed the young Christians on NL and elsewhere with this your miopic and fool-hardy view of Nigeria's political clime.

koboko69:
Lalasticlala mynd44 pick up the call and let Nairalanders and Nigerians see the economic team Jonathanians want us to invite to save the economy

QUICK POLL

In this economic situation who will manage the Economy better

Like for Adeosun the MANAGER and share for Okonjor the BORROWER

And it's only **** folks like you that would tripped by this lopsided poo you post here. You cut out one tiny part of the whole from the government's one full year policy to score a dumb political point. ****

plaetton:
Bullshyte.

Thanking God for his life when he couldn't care of helping to save others?

What moral universe do you people live in ?

Your moral schizophrenia shocks me.

This is true. Funny I did not notice it when I read the story. OP you probably need to throw more light on this. Was there any reason you did not feel compeled to help those in that bus who didn't get as furtunate as you got? Or was it that you did not just think anything about it, probably because of your burning resolve not to miss the interview you were scheduled for that morning?

Deen77:
We voted Jonathan 2011, then no shoe now Mansion, we were scammed, nothing new.

You are so silly. GEJ was the vice president of the fedral republic before your miserable vote in 2011. Before getting elected as the vp he was the executive governor of bayelsa state. Before getting elected a the executive governor, he was the deputy governor. Before getting elected as the deputy governor, he was an acomplished academic in one of the leading universities in south south. So GEJ had a mansion and plethora of EXPENSIVE shoes way back before your silly 2011 vote, okay?

He was only shoeless as a kid, not as a grown man. So quit branding yourself as a senseless miscreant.

BossTtdiamonds:
Such is the sake of that dude... Plus did I also mention he is a Pathetic Liar..

BossTtdiamonds:
Don't take that guy serious... I've known him here on Nairaland for long..... He knows nothin'.. Believe me.. nothin'...

My brother. Some folks just argue for arguing sake. No objectivity at all.

Weah96:
Bro, he's not explaining his personality to anyone, except his bronze age Hebrew biographers.

Suit yourself bro.

iyb:
another lie from a jobless individual

Man you are very STUPID.

plaetton:
My dear friend, thank you for your kind words and insight.

If God exists, I still think that those us of who question and seek understsnding of deep existential questions would be his favorites.

If God imbued us with a mind to think, then I think we owe him an obligation to use it, including questioning his existence and origins.

Yea, I think you're correct. The only thing I may add is that in your quest about God, it's good to use wisdom, tact and humility. I know nothing about the doctrines of existentialism but I know that God does not ignore true humility. Thus I think a good dose of it (humility) will take you further into deeper discoveries than you can ever imagine - yea, including getting into the realns of personal understanding of the person of God. That's assuming you care to delve into that realm sincerely.

Humans are not limited by ignorance realky, but by arrogance. I tell you, there are tremendous secrets in God waiting to be discovered by those who are humble and iquisitive enough.

To give you an idea into what am talkibg about, what you guys are calling magic, and what many of religious folks call miracles, are the very things the Lord Jesus called WORKS. Do you know why he refered to them as works? It's because they are governed by definite laws. I mean laws as evident as the law of gravity and other natural laws. Unfortunately lots of these laws are not yet discovered by humans due to ignorance induced by arrogance.

I'm talking about laws that can counter both death and gravity itself and enable folks to move at the speed of thought. This may sound insane but it's for real.

And I said that just to say that if scientists will get humble in their quest for understanding and knowledge their advancements will be faster than their wildest imaginations.

Weah96:
Unless you're a Hebrew or white person living in the bronze age, then he may ask you to be his personal biographer.

Well, it's like you got me wrong entirely. When I said he won't explain himself to anyone, I was not talking about explaining his personality, preferences or artributes. What I mean is that he will never try to exonorate himself from your disdain, acusations or downright disregard. He will never try to justify or clear himself to you, me or anyone. You either seek to know him or you don't. What you think or say about him makes him no less The God.

plaetton:
Lol.

Let's hope that this lifeform evolves fast enough, so that it too can start paying tithe.
The economy is bad, dollar is scarce.

Bros, I seriously admire you - your knowledge, articulation and all. But I differ seriouslly when it comes to belief in personal God as opposed to atheism. One thing I know though is that what you (and your colleagues) do here these days is not new at all. Many theocratic leaders - both past and present - have had to lock horns with folks like you countlessly over the years. But one thing is clear - the belief in the existence of a personal God who created the entire universe has never been, and can never be rooted out of the collective consciousness of the human race. It can never happen.

Here is the thing: when in your logic you fail/refuse to acknowledge the existence of this God as clearly and LOGICALLY illustrated through the entire creation, you'll simply miss him entirely. You know why? Because never again will he make himself known to you except through those things you consider silly and outstandingly foolish. It won't be through the logic of nature and science anymore. And he does that to show you that even what you may consider his sillyness, is way smarter than ALL levels of human smartness put together.

And you know what else, the LAST thing this God will do is to explain himself to anyone - it matters nothing even if the entire universe depends on it. Your perception or zero perception of him makes no difference. He is God all by himself.