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agaugust:
SAN official website disputes your error loaded citations. Soweto navy says they only have 76mm compact, nothing super or rapid in your navy.

Deal with it !

So SAN is paying for the maintenance of Guns it does not have?

agaugust:
Produce a bomb disposal Robot and rocket pod....do it like Nigeria !

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html
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We do.

You think a rocket pod impresses us?

Some tubes with a firing switch?

o my god, i cant even.

agaugust:
The whole world disagrees with you
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Only one article agrees with you

Henry120:
You're going to disgrace yourself again!!

Why?

Have you gone back and edited your post again?

agaugust:
Exocet is technically a fire and forget missile, it has no wire guidance.

Show us proof that your Exocet can be fired by one ship and guided by another, show me proof of that type of data-link configured by South African navy for your Exocets specifically.

Show technical proof that SAN Lynx has been configured to guide your Exocet.

Show me a source that says ship fired Exocet are guided by helicopters, you are actually quoting Nigerian Otomat missile capability

Why dont you start by showing us that the Exocet is a fire and forget missile?

Henry120:
1. All Super-Puma components, and French technology.

2. Like I said, you're bragging about backyard built planes, good for you.

3. Gulma class, Amebo class, Ichuko class.

1. List components and technology
2. Provide a comparison to show the "back-yard" nature of this plane
3. One Isrealy copy and two non-operational platforms

Henry120:
R3tard, why don't you go back and re-read his question.

As usual, henry - when lacking a response- begins to proclaim that "you didnt understand the question"

We all understand it, and you did not answer it.

agaugust:
SAN/SANDF has NO AHEAD ammunition.....Germany has NEVER sold it to you.

Four Valour frigates? How will they help each other? Each ship is under torment by eight F-7 jets....multiple swarm attack.

Datalink is useless, each one of your ships is struggling for survival as NAF jets wrecks massive havoc on your helpless sailors

Thank you Patches for proving my point with your ships photos !

It shows that the 35mm gun is at the back of the Valour frigate at a middle height far below the higher heights of the ships radar masts, cones, and antennae. So if the gun turns forward, it will fire on the ship and destroy the ship's own radars, masts, antennae, and sensors above it !

Wow ! Patches has just sank the South African navy frigate even before Nigerian munitions close in !

Suicide at sea by South African navy, Valour frigate 35mm gun sinks own ship

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[size=20pt] Each ship is under attack from 8 F-7 jets? 4X8 = 32.... you have 32 F-7? BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/size]

Henry120:
1. Half-French, Super-Puma = French!

2. Because they do. http://www.getdomainvids.com/keyword/home build planes/

3. Do you wish to?

1. List french components as well as french design engineers.
2. Is that an AHRLAC? Does it have avoinics, weapons systems and observation systems
3. Yes, but I want to compare it to YOUR drone - not the Isrealy drone you copied

agaugust:
Tell us where the 35mm gun is mounted....on top of the ship's radar mast, hanging in the air? Olodo
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Stop trivializing the argument

agaugust:
Show us technical proof that your SAN Exocet has different ways of guidance apart from fire and forget mode.
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http://weaponsystems.net/weapon.php?weapon=HH10%20-%20Exocet

agaugust:
Making the jet invisible to sea surface search radar? Odenson

Question for 10 points: What is a radar-horizon?

agaugust:
You are a fraud because you have changed the photo, that's why I showed you the first photo and bold name you posted is T-CRAFT.

Now you quickly made a new photo screenshot and posted Warrior class photo.

What you did before was to post T-CRAFT photo and name boldly and the data of Warrior class so tine and unreadable above it.

That was your foolishness not mine.

BTWN, what's wrong if an IPV has 3,000 miles range, anybody can built it if he has the engineering facility. How is that my business?

Fool....white boy with Zulu brain
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He posted what he claims.

If you wish to say he posted the T-craft then cite where he did so.

Stop running away from serious argument with trivial accusations.

This behaviour of yours is very tiresome, every time you are defeated you de-rail the argument with mindless accusals.

We all know what you are doing, it is very transparent and extremely childish.

agaugust:
85 degrees is a slant, it is NOT straight, only 90 degrees is straight you fool

This guy does not even know basic Geometry, LOL....2nd bottom of the world South African brains

Your ships gun can only fire at a slant angle ! Simple matchs of 85 degrees geometry.....M0RON !
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85 degrees is just 5 degrees of 90

Which is exactly what i said.

Please read my posts and avoid posting like a child.

Furthermore - please adress the key point of my post. You said that Alpha jets will attack from above Uhmkonto range - this hight is practically right above the ships - this allows engagement with the dual 35mm which will (according to you) shoot the bombs out of the sky

Thank you.

agaugust:
Your navy says NO, NO super rapid gun, South African navy is FINAL AUTHORITY on it's own weapons.

SAN officially says you have 76mm Compact old school gun on your under-powered warships

OTO Melara 3 in 76mm/62 compact ; 2 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1; 2 - 12,7 mm MGs

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

One OTOBreda 76mm/62 compact . One Denel DPG 35mm (twin).

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524

Citations have been posted.

Deal with it.

Henry120:
Where is the Helicopter(s)?


Your Ahlarc, or what ever it is called is a piece of metal everyday Americans construct in their back-yards.

Drone........ you want to brag about drones LOL!!!

1. Helicopter is the Rooivalk - the focal point of your obsessions
2. Americans build AHRLACs in their back yards? Lol - because you say so?
3. Do you wish to compare drones?

I love how you ignored the missile's and Sarah

Henry120:
Oh yes...... you do!! your news24 has a whole section dedicated to Nigeria.

If this isn't obsessive, I don't know what is.


You South-Africans can't just get off our D1cks!!!!

Mindless drivel from our resident South Africa stalker.

lezz:
your qualification into G20 has been rendered irrelevant, overtaken by current happenings.

Your president will look like a Zulu clown sitting amongst G20 members when the true giant with a 170 million population and the largest economy and PPP plus the largest middle class on the contibent isn't there.

NIGGER , THAT'S WHY YOUR GOVERNNENT IS HUSTLING NIGERIA COME TAKE IT'S RITFHFUL PLACE BEFORE YOU ARE EMBARRASSED OUT

And yet:

We are a member of the G20 - you are not
We are a member of BRICS - you are not

That is all that matters.

lezz:
news.yahoo.com/xenophobia-row-exposes-rivalry-between-south-africa-nigeria-141027482.html[b]Nigeria overtook South Africa as the continent's
biggest economy last year after re-basing its GDP.
Pretoria said the numbers reflected Nigeria's larger
population and not the sophistication of their
respective economies.
"Despite what was said publicly, Nigeria's rebasing
was resented by the South African government," a
Pretoria-based Western diplomat told Reuters[/b][i][/i]. I will oblige with both citations and excerpts: South Africa's concerns are compounded by fears,
expressed privately by government officials and
diplomats, that chaotic, corruption-prone Nigeria
is unfit to assume the mantle of continental
leadership.[b]South Africa's pre-eminence in continental affairs,
and its membership of institutions such as the
G20 and Brics , as well as a potential permanent
seat on the UN Security Council, rests on its claim
to be Africa's largest economy.

[/b]www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27885700


I just gave you your weekend pap of defeat.

Zulu, please go take a pap break.

Neither of your sources claim what you said.

1. Where does it say that South African media is pushing for Pretoria to strengthen links with abuja
2. Where is this article about a Diplomat discussing "behind closed doors" policy in South Africa

Henry120:
[s]Nigeria manufactures,

Drones
APC's
A109 components
MI-35 hydraulics and electrolytes
MRAPs
Satellites
NVG
Ballistics vests
Ballistics helmets
Steyr trucks
Sino military trucks
IED disposal robots
Trainers .......... etc etc


The Super-Puma which SAAF flies and the Half-French Rooivalk are all French products, engineering and ingenuity.

South-Africa only copied and pasted French Helicopters, then proceeded to renaming them.[/s]

None of those things are particularly advanced, and none fall within the gambit as an advanced combat platform.

You need to:

a. Produce a system with the same or superior capabilities as the Rooivalk
b. Domestically produce a system with the same or superior capabilities as the Rooivalk

And then I will happily discuss the Rooivalk with you.

Until then, the topic is moot.

lezz:
it doesn't change anything.
S.A isn't relevant anymore. Being in the G20 can't save you from free falling.

Not relevant?

We are a member of BRICS and the G20

You are a member of no such organisations

It is clear whom is irrelevant

lezz:
funny but fact!! Pretoria blamed the media for focusing on corruption and power generation, choosing to ignore the real work going on.

Today all of south African media are calling for stronger ties with Abuja as the power play has changed.

Again, a western diplomat has revealed that government in Pretoria are expressing real fears behind diplomatic doors while making congratulatory speech on the open. I have posted that excerpt on this forum.

1. Citation for ALL of South African media calling for stronger ties with Abuja
2. Citation for Western diplomats statements


South Africa does not give one single solitary fvck about Nigeria - as long as our buinesses are left alone we sometimes forget you even exist

Henry120:
2. You cannot build or design a Helicopter. You could not in the apartheid era, you cannot today.

Excuse me?

Henry120:
South-Africa is the world's most un-equal country. With the 7% white minority population running 85% of the economy, with the world's worst inequality index,Not even Somalia or Afghanistan comes close.


The majority of your country men live no better lives than people in Burundi.


South-Africa was only picked because you were the largest economy at the time.

Aaaaaannnnndddddd yet

- BRICS *tick*
- G20 *tick*

lezz:
we are doing great. Terrorism is a new menace the whole world is still learning to handle.

That's why the French government says Nigeria is in a position to teach the REST OF AFRICA.[img][/img]

Teach the rest of africa what?

How to succesfully host 2 different civil wars?
How to let pirates infest your waters?
How to have more dictators than elected presidents?
How to commit wide-spread human rights abuses?
How to squander trillions in oil wealth?
How to have some of the worst human developmental indicies of Africa's major countries?
How to have a population-growth bomb waiting to go off?

What?

Henry120:
This isn't the case!!


One could almost have imagined President Jacob Zuma saying to the other African countries (Nigeria especially), “We’re the only country on the continent to build our own bad-ass ships. We’re the only country on the continent that can deploy soldiers and support aircraft anywhere on the continent. So who is your daddy?”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWL_NjPRY8o



This is a South-African newspaper, so un-professional, so obsessed with Nigeria.

The Daily Maverick (as its name suggests) is not a main-stream media outlet.

Henry120:
1. The Half-French Rooivalk is an obsolete Helicopter flying on 30 years old computers. The Helicopter also holds the proud record of been the only Helicopter rejected by all countries it has been offered to.


2. You cannot build or design a Helicopter. You could not in the apartheid era, you cannot today.

1. Rooivalk is still better than anything you have.
2. We built and designed the Rooivalk during Apartheid - a domestic design and product

When you have:

a. aquired a platform with simular or better capabilities
b. developed ANY domestic weapons system with simular or comparable capabilities

I shall happily discuss the Rooivalk with you.

Until then, the matter is moot.

Henry120:
I don't need to pull down your obsolete Half-French AH, after all, the Helicopter has been doing a pretty good job of it, on it's own, thus far.


The Janes and Engineeringnews sources are all clear, they were all unanimous in their verdicts, the Rooivalk is an obsolete Helicopter which has no place in today's battlefield. It is a walking dinosaur.

A Helicopter running on 30 years old computers cannot be considered as modern, by any stretch of the word......... it is archaic and ancient hence it has been roundly rejected.


And you in turn have dedicated a whole week in defending a failed project..... congratulations are in order.



The MI-35M Hind E is simply described as having modern state of the art avionics and systems. It's proven performance and sales is all the guarantees I need.


-We have the Hind E, we are also in the process of acquiring the T-129.

- your second question is better directed at South-Africa, first build a Helicopter. Renaming a French Helicopter doesn't suddenly make it South-African.



As you have accused, my basis for "attacking" the Half-french Rooivalk are based on it poor capabilities as an attack helicopter. Turkey, UK, Australia, Malaysia all seem to agree with me........ Apparently same as the SAAF who only have 10 in active service.

- Janes does not say the Rooivalk is obsolete
- Modernity of the Hind E is irrelevant when it does not posses the capabilities of the Rooivalk
- The Rooivalk is a South African designed and built helicopter
- Provide citations for UK, Australia and Malaysia turning down the Rooivalk.

Henry, again i say:

1. Aquire a helicopter with the same or better capabilities as the Rooivalk
2. Build and deisgn a domestic weapons system with the same or better capabilities

And then we will discuss the Rooivalk.

A man with a donkey cannot insult another mans horse.

lezz:
which economy do you dominate? You are out of bric, imposter.

-We are Africa's economic power house
- Africa's entertainment headquarters
-Africa's spiritual headquarters
- Africa's highest assembly of millionaires and billionaires.

- we put Africa on the global maps with a .5 trillion dollar economy.
- we have brought peace and stability in Africa than any other African country.

South Africa on the other hand can do all the lobbying but she can never present Africa or have the mandate to lead Africa.

Your 3rd position on the continent and political naivety plus cultural Zulu docility all see to that.

O look, more unsubstantiated opinion.

And dont talk about peace and stability - you cannot even maintain that inside of NIgeria!!

lezz:
Zulu, every single Zulu is putting on Nigeria blinders. You see nothing except Nigeria. Both your government and insecure xenophobic Zulu subjects..

Have you ever wondered why Nigerian government and media is obsessed with one-upping South Africa?

While we couldent give two sh1ts about Nigeria?

Little brother is trying to out-do big brother

Henry120:
Nigeria is an African Power house, the continent's largest Economy and it's most important country.

And yet South Africa was selected for BRICS

and yet South Africa is a G20 member

How is Nigeria Africa most important country?

Its a meaningless failed state in the most underdeveloped and meaningless part of Africa

Henry120:
[s]I feel a great deal of pity for you South-Africans, stuck with an obsolete Helicopter isn't really a fun place to be in 2015.


- The Half-French AH was cut because the Apartheid government could not afford them. Hence the order for 32 dropped to a paltry 12.

- The U.K, Australia, Turkey, Malaysia all rejected the Helicopter. I've posted sources which show these countries rejected the AH.

- In an open bid, any company is free to submit proposal. There isn't a law against that. However, the Turks wanted a Helicopter they could build at home, neither Boeing or EADS was going to provide that. So realistically only your Half-french AH and the A-129 were realistically in a competition.

The A-129 roundly trounced the half-french AH, as expected.


- Turkish rejection of your Half-french AH despite Denel putting all they hard into the completion is enough evidence of the A-129's superiority over the obsolete Half-French Rooivalk.



South-Africa did not build any Helicopter, so what should i be jealous of?

You Assemble a French Helicopter....... Congratulations, Nigeria also assembles and make components for Trainers and the A109.

South-Africa got all dynamic systems, engines, components , sub-components from the Super-Puma, aloutte III

The Half-french is an Obsolete Helicopter running on 30 years old computers.

The Rooivalk has 30 years old obsolete avionics.

It’s been given a slight upgrade, incorporating “modifications to the weapons systems, avionics and airborne systems”.


"The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “What is new is the Mokopa missile, which was test-fired at the Overberg range"


The only thing new is the mokopa missile which the SAAF still hasn't ordered!


A 1970's mercedes can move from point A-B same as a 2015 mercedes, however this doesn't equate to them been in the same class.

reportedly hailed by all who have flown it. It is also ideal for operations in Africa.

But its avionics system, a magnificent achievement for local industry when it was developed and integrated in the late 1980s, is today as obsolete as a dinosaur’s brain.

This is a key reason in Denel’s failure to export the aircraft. No one will buy a warplane whose avionics system is based on 30-year-old computers.[/s]
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1. Rooivalk is better than anything you have
2. Rooivalk is domestically designed and built - something you are incapable of doing

Come back and talk when you have something that competes with it, and when you have built something equally as capable.