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MikeCZAR:
A turret has nothing to do with the housed gun.


Now that I've taught you that.

Many armies use the Bushmaster cannon in different turrets.

Many navies use 76/62 Otobreda naval gun in different turrets.

The AK-176 is actually older than the 76mm Italian naval gun range.

When the ZA is around Nigerian eat a lot humble pie.

You reckon that the super rapid is on the last strike craft to be built or on the Valour Class?

lezz:
All I see is a desperate Zulu feasting on his vomit , shifting the goal post, claiming a Zimbabwean company as S.A's, . Zulu you aren't a match for me. I'll demolish you big time.

Mark my words, today 1st of June, 2015. South Africa's relevance and role in Africa will be determined by her allegiance to Abuja. The relationship she has with Abuja will determine her voice in Africa.

The hell with this military Jackshit! Your country has made serious attempt to align herself with Abuja.

- the request by your president to set up quick responce military squad in Africa with no other country than Nigeria. WE TURNED IT DOWN

- the invitation by your president to be in BRICS
WE TURNED IT DOWN.

- The setting up of a military pact with Nigeria.

Your "super power" country trekked all the way from southern Africa through east and central Africa to Nigeria to make all these proposals.

In the mean time, Egypt has called for military defence pact in Africa with Nigeria

East African block has called for the same thing.

The writing is clear on the wall, Zulu just won't see it.

Still making statements without citations?

Worthless troll

AugustineAgain:
Prove me wrong, try it.

I have

60% hit rate
2 ships sunk and another rendered combat ineffective

That is not the work of a defeated missile

AugustineAgain:
We are talking ships, he has changed to talking tanks and helicopters.

#Super Frustrated

# Totally Humiliated

SAN 76mm compact guns of 1977
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No one is talking about guns

The argument is over - you are just unable to deal with the facts

AugustineAgain:
Contradiction? We are talking about guns, you are diverting attention to missiles. Is a missile a gun? Fool. Stay on topic, eat humble pies !

Who cares about Umkhonto missiles half empty silos ? Same way you have 32 Exocet missile launchers with only about 13 missiles

Soweto navy parades empty missile containers on warships

Meanwhile, we are talking about the 76mm gun super rapid that SAN does not have, I demolished all sources posted by Southies !

Your own navy's photos proves you wrong and proves me right

Deal with your 1977 purchased guns removed from scrap yard and repaired for brand new Valour frigates !

Your Soweto nation could not even afford modern AK-176 naval 76mm guns that Nigeria puts on OPV. LOL.

We are more modern than you are....Old school 1977 guns mounted on 2006 warship, no wonder NNS Centenary will sink SAS Amatola

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Official contracts awarded for parts and maintenance of The Super Rapid proves we have it

You opinion is irrelevant in the face of factual evidence

And the 32 launchers breaks you because you so Valour Class was not configured for such

AugustineAgain:
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Nigerian OPV has superior AK-176 gun firepower, we will sink ALL Mandela's over-rated blue water ships in one day !

Everybody compare a modern Super Rapid photo below with the 1977 obsolete round edge shapes 76mm compact gun on South Africa's 'modern 2006' frigate

76mm super rapid gun below with straight edge shapes...South Africa does NOT have it o ! Proved !

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/naval-systems/76-62-super-rapid
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Citation shows that San has the super rapid

This argument is over

AugustineAgain:
The photos of South African navy warships are relevant, it's not my opinion, it's your own navy's evidence

# Defeated By Own Navy Photos.

A source says SAAF has air to ground missiles, but do you have them? NO NO NO !

ALL Photos show you have navy guns 76mm compact with round shape.

You want to be a fraud...okay cool...live in a world of lies, it's the South African way.....

Below is photo of 76mm compact old 1977 gun on South African valour frigate

# Demolished On June 1st
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This topic is not open for debate

The South African Navy, Denel and Armscor paid for and signed contracts for:

- Maintenance of the Super Rapid
- spare parts for the super rapid
- Technical experts for the super rapid

San has super rapid

Proven beyond doubt - your opinion on this topic is irrelevant

AugustineAgain:
Those are normal in anti-ship missiles, nothing special. Exocet was still defeated by decoy in Falkland war
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Liar

AugustineAgain:
Sure i will deal with it and teach you about your own navy

76mm super rapid has straight line hedges. PHOTO 1

76mm compact has rounded edges. PHOTO 2

Valour frigate has the old 1977 gun...76mm compact with rounded hedges PHOTO 3

South Africa took obsolete guns purchased in 1977 guns from dump yard and renovated the ancient 76mm to put on new Valour frigates
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Citations show we have the Super Rapid

Your opinion is, as usual, irrelevant

agaugust:
Link does NOT cite any tender on Amscor, it says Denel, and no tender.

Show us the tender and the guns named as super rapid.

You want us to start bringing doubtful sources on this forum, if you do so, I will retaliate.

I am NOT humiliated, the source is there....Army Guide website, you can go and humiliate them in America.

You want us to bring all kinds of sources and claims here? I am ready, tit for tat !

SAN has NO SINGLE 76mm super rapid, you have old school 76mm compact.

Super rapid came to market in 1988, South Africa bought 76mm guns in 1977.

How did you buy in 1977, a gun that does NOT exist in 1977 ?

http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/Oto-Melara-76mm-compact-super-rapid.htm

Foooool Demolished
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The South African Navy has placed orders with Oto Melara for the procurement of additional 76/62mm Super Rapid medium-calibre automatic gun mounting spares.

The 76/62mm Oto Melera cannon is used by the navy on its Valour Class frigate and Warrior Class offshore patrol vessels.
The dual-purpose gun system is capable of launching a 6kg projectile up to 8,000m at a rate of 120 rounds a minute and can engage surface and air targets.

The navy has also placed requested for 'expertise' related to the gun and a training course, Defenceweb reported the Armscor Bulletin System as saying.
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/news126453.html

he South African Navy has awarded a contract to Denel Land Systems for the maintenance of its guns and to provide associated support services.

The navy artillery includes a 76mm OTOMelera, a 76mm/62 super rapid medium-calibre automatic cannon, a Denel Land Systems GA35 35mm dual purpose automatic cannon and a SAN mk1 20mm automatic cannon.
The 76mm cannon is capable of hurling a 6kg projectile up to 8,000m at a rate of 120 rounds a minute, though the maximum range is 18,400m at 45°.

The GA35 twin-gun system can destroy attacking helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft, and surface-to-surface missiles against surface vessels and shore targets, in symmetrical and asymmetrical combat.

The SAN mk1 20mm automatic cannon is a standard lightweight weapon aboard the River Class inshore patrol vessels / mine countermeasures vessel, the Warrior Class offshore patrol vessel and Valour Class frigates.

The R10m contract was awarded in addition to the R2 304 622 award to EDH (SA) of Stellenbosch to support a 76mm muzzle velocity radar system
.http://www.naval-technology.com/news/news99763.html


Official Denel and Armscor tenders and bulletins

Deal with it

agaugust:
Your illiteracy + envy prevented you from analyzing that message correctly
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OK

Where does it say you will train them?

agaugust:
Nigerian army will soon be training the rest of the world's military, AU, NATO, Asia, Israel, etc.

Egypt has chosen Nigerian army as the second strongest in Africa.

This thread/topic's question has been answered by finally.

1. Egypt

2. Nigeria

3. The rest
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So your illiteracy has lead you to believe that you are training the Egyptian military?

Lol

agaugust:
Should I post a citation that says Nigeria has Bofors FH-77 B05 L52 artillery with 43 km range ?

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2820.html

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So we can take a walk down memory lane to revisit one of your greatest humiliations?

Link posted cites tenders posted by Armscor - official source

agaugust:
Yes , SAAF Rooivalk pilot bragged about his rocket pod in Congo DRC UN operation.

Nigeria manufactures rocket pods, South Africa does NOT !
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You still think rocket pods are something to brag about?

agaugust:
War history shows that Exocets are easily defeated when decoys are launched.

Ships sank by Exocet had no decoy launched or had radar problems that did not see the enemy like the HMS Sheffield, and that was the only combat ship that was sunk. The other ship was a transporter with poor defences.

Now you show us proof of your claim that PJ-46 is not !00% effective, you are the one making claim, so prove it, same way I proved Exocet is not 100% effective, I k.illed your missile with British naval sources and war history, so it's your turn to k.ill my decoy with credible sources and war history that is relevant to AShm Vs Decoy.

Prove your case, or the court judge will throw it out for lack of evidence.

NN OPV sinks SAN frigate
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War history shows Exocet has a 60% hit rate - even when decoys are used

Undesputable fact

Sheffield had no decoy launchers? Prove it

I don't have to prove anything - you said your decoy launchers will defeat ALL missiles

you made the claim not me, so you have to prove it

Untillyou prove that it will defeat 17 or so missiles you have no argument

agaugust:
You did NOT post any weblink, stop lying, rather you circled the weblink in red on the photo, and it needed a microscope to read those tiny fonts.

Fool + Liar

Quote him or shut up

agaugust:
SAN has NEVER said it has super rapid, so it has NEVER said it is maintaining what it does NOT have.

Show us an SAN official source that claims it has 76mm super rapid, show us.

Fraud, thief, liar !

Citation had been posted

Stop wasting my time with pointless demands

agaugust:
You posted not weblink, you posted only a photo.....with tiny print of Warrior craft and bold print of T-CRAFT.

It's your fault that your presentation of data/image evidence was bad ! Admit it M0R0N !

If you submit exam paper with words that are super tiny and a wrong heading plus wrong photogragh, you will fail in school.

Fool...see your garbage presentation below....I have always said you will end up as a hair cutting barber in career
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Quote where he did it

Yet again you try to derail an argument you have lost with trivial and unfounded allegations

Face it - you thought the warrior class looked like a t-craft

agaugust:
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It was a bad weekend for South African navy on Nairaland

Nigerian OPVs sank ALL expensive South African Frigates

Mandela's ocean investments are ruined in one day

NNS Centenary, NNS Unity anti-missile rockets + main gun did the job

Naija OPV sinks over-rated blue water navy of South Africa

Thank you China, thank you Nigeria

Thank you PJ-46, thank you AK-176


PJ-46 anti-missile rocket launchers of Nigerian OPVs are decoy rocket launchers installed to deceive incoming anti-ship missiles.

Fresh nightmare hits Pretoria, lots of sleepless nights for Southie Admirals, panic hits naval base.

End of voyage for all Valour Frigates....over-hyped blue water navy sinks to ocean bottom

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You have yet to prove that your decoys are 100% effective

Until you do so your statements are all false

War history shows that you don't stand a chance

lezz:
http://www.theglobalist.com/nigeria-an-incentive-for-south-africa/[b]That Nigeria is now Africa’s largest economy is the best news that South Africa could have hoped for.

This milestone not only gives South Africa the most obvious reason to strengthen its ties with a key player across the African continent that is growing in clout.[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] It also affords South Africa the best possible incentive and opportunity to reflect on itself and its future path.

Nigeria should be among the world’s 15 largest economies by 2050, when its GDP is projected to exceed $4.5 trillion in purchasing power parity terms (PPP). This forecast comes from Moody’s, the credit rating agency.

It is also shared by Jim O’Neill, the former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management. He believes that Nigeria has a much better chance to be in the top 15 by 2050 than in the world’s top 20 economies by 2020. The latter goal, O’Neill said, was too soon to be likely.

I tend to agree with him. Before it can realize its full economic potential, Nigeria needs to overcome formidable structural obstacles in the short to medium term. In that regard, Nigeria faces many of the same general challenges as South Africa (and many of the continent’s other economies).

Even so, nothing could be a better indication that Africa is on the rise than Nigeria’s economic ascent.

Much more than a new set of statistics

Nigeria recently completed an exercise to recalculate the constituent parts of its economy. The end result of that recalibration process was that the country’s 2013 nominal GDP was $510 billion, 80% higher than previously reported.

On that scale, Nigeria became a global front-runner overnight. It now ranks as the 26th largest economy in the world. And it did not just surpass South Africa (with a GDP of $356 billion as of 2013) — but also Austria, Venezuela, Columbia, Thailand, Denmark, Malaysia and Singapore.

The latter figure – that Africa’s most populous nation now has a GDP larger than Singapore with almost six million people – shows just how much growth potential Africa still has, if and when it gets its act together for real.

A pacesetter for all of Africa

In many ways, Nigeria’s ascent to the top of the economic league in Africa marks an important development for the African continent as a whole. For the first time, there is now an indisputable sign of the changing economic fortunes in this part of the world.[/b]This article was written by a south African, name of Ellis Mnyandu , the financial editor of south Africa's biggest financial news paper.

Stay online, more coming. Big things popping and little things stopping.

I ma whoop your Zulu ass tonight .

Are these the things I asked for?

Do I need to remind you of the question?

agaugust:
Nope, your first post said straight up, after I said max 85 degrees.

It was after I re-arranged your South African brain with Nigerian geometry that you obeyed my command.

Before, the you said....




Liar....Fraud....Thief....South African....Bribed FIFA with $10 million to host World Cup 2010 !
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Making semantic arguments now?

Challenge the points I made

Stop focusing on the wording of statements and challenge the contents of statements

agaugust:
SAN is paying for maintenance of 76mm Compact gun.

The source on super rapid gun is wrong, same way a source said SAAF has air to ground missiles, do you have it ?

Fools, 50 million South Africans CANNOT challenge any source that posts error, you all are NOT smart enough upstairs
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So SAN is paying for the maintenance of a gun it oes not have?

agaugust:
Show us South African made bomb disposal Robot and Rocket pods.

BTW, the only powerful weapon on Rooivalk is the Rcoket pod imported from Europe , so Rocket pods impress SAAF....the import it
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You still think a rocket pod is something O brag about?

Utter despiration

agaugust:
It's infromation available for free on internet...mumu

So then provide proof that it is fire and forget

Thanks

agaugust:
You mean Exocet is wire guided by human control ?

#Trap-Trap

Are you suffering from a concussion?

Are you saying the only way to guide a missile is with wires?

[size=15pt]MY FVCKING SIDES!!![/size]

agaugust:
F-7 jet max operating ceiling 17 km above sea level

Umkhonto missile max operating ceiling 8 km above sea level

I am sure mathematics is a problem for you as much as geography
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Just like 8X4 is a problem that you are unable to solve??

agaugust:
Thanks for confirming you never purchased AHEAD ammo, so you DO NOT have it
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[size=20pt]OMG ARE YOU COMPLETELY ILLITERATE??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thats 3 times in 30min that you have not been able to comprehend what you are reading!!

First you dont know wat 8X4 is... now you cant read.. do you have Alzheimers? Is your brain slowly degenerating?

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Henry120:
That SemuhleB girl is fine, with a nice pair of rounded b00bs as an add on.



* that is, if she is indeed the person on her profile and not one these South-African gay lords we have in this thread.

Is the internet the only place you get to talk to girls?

agaugust:
Thanks for proving my point, your above source says clearly that Exocet is guided only by the launch platform, not anything else.

Sunday suicide by Patches

Read the artical again.

Yet again you show a complete inability to read at the most basic level.

agaugust:
It is the thing I explained over one year ago when I lectured your South African navy officer here that NNS Aradu Otomat missiles only needs helicopter guidance if the range of target is over the horizon of the ships radar guidance/fire control
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No, the actual horizon has nothing to do with a radar-horizon

So, for 10 points: What is a radar-horizon?

agaugust:
You first said 85 degrees is straight up....I had to give you Sunday Maths lesson, 85 degrees is slant, simple geometry that 50 million South Africans cannot know until Nigerians teach them.

Straight up = 90 degrees = perpendicular in geometry

85 is NOT = 90

Olodo of Cape Colony
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So you are illiterate?

Read my post again:

Patchesagain:
85 degrees is just 5 short of 90 (straight up)

You said that the planes will be flying above Uhmkonto range - so they will be above the ship and that 35mm can engage them

lezz:
Same old patchesagain, no honour , no dignity.

I just proved how south African government gas been insecure with Nigeria's status behind closed doors and make congratulatory speech in public, how south African government are fearful that every aspect she has as an edge on the continent has been surpassed by Nigeria.

And now you have shifted the goal post and want more, lezz is always about more and I shall always oblige you........

Same questions I asked the first time

1. Where does it say that South African media is pushing for Pretoria to strengthen links with abuja
2. Where is this article about a Diplomat discussing "behind closed doors" policy in South Africa