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agaugust:
Only a foolish army like South Africa will use high value missiles against low value Boko Haram APCs when a single cheap hand held Nigerian army RPG will wreck Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

I thought you said you are a soldier, so you don't know RPG with HEAT shell as cheap as it is, will destroy T-55 tanks and APCs ?

No wonder SANDF was under Tanzanian army control in Congo DRC, you guys are more like glorified policemen.

Egypt and oil rich Saudi Arabia are still using the same Swingfire today, so obsolete in your dreams. Ratel itself is an obsolete vehicle, and Valour frigates Exocet block II became obsolete as block III replaced them in France. South African navy frigates have no missiles that can kill.

Simple.

First, only a nigerian would waste the lives of his soldiers getting close to take out a BH APC with an RPG. South Africans value the lives of their men and as such would rather destroy it from standoff distance

Saudi has more modern and advanced ATGM's than the Swingfire, same with Egypt. And America, France, Germany, England (a.k.a all the worlds major powers) are getting rid of wire guided. While the British who invented the Swingfire have gotten rid of it as well.

Lol, how do you come to the conclusion that the Exocet Block 2 cannot kill? Go ask the Royal Navy if the Exocet Block 2 can kill.

agaugust:
Nigeria bought Swingfire about same time with Roland, we display the Roland till today, so the missiles are good. We do not display the Swingfire same way we don't display our army SA-7 missiles and Blowpipe missiles too. We are not Photomaniacs like you show boys who don't know real war except under Tanzanian leadership commanding SANDF like Masai cattle rearers control cows in the field.
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Swingfires have passed their sell-by date. They dont work anymore

#ShowUsNigerianArmyFiringSwingfire

agaugust:
Smoke does not jam wires guidance, smoke jams laser and your Ingwe is the victim, our Swingfire is the victor.

Ratel has no radar to detect the Swingfire, they need to see Nigerian infantry, and SANDF is driving outside in a vehicle, Nigerian Swingfire is hiding in a house, behind wall, in the bush or behind a barrier/obstacle, so Nigeria sees South Africa, you will not see us.

Fact is that we are launching the Swingfire before you launch the Ingwe, that is the bid battlefield operational disadvantage SANDF will face driving armoured vehicles in the open streets or fields against Nigerian army Swingfire tank-killer missiles that are hand/tripod stand controlled and hidden from view.....Ratels die without knowing how we killed t.hem all. PITY PITY PITY PITY

PHOTO ONE : SANDF RATEL WITH INGWE MISSILE EXPOSED ON THE FIELD AND EASY TO KILL

PHOTO TWO : ANTI-TANK MISSILE LIKE NIGERIAN ARMY SWINGFIRE HIDDEN FROM VIEW TO KILL THE UNLUCKY RATEL AND INGWE


SANDF IS WIPED OUT. CASE CLOSED !!!
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Augustus.

You densemotherfucker

If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot land the swingfire on the target

Smoke prevents the gunner from seeing the target

Or do you think the swingfire is guided by magic?

Henry120:
Like South-Africa, not Nigeria.

All most all of your equipment is obsolete

We do not have the same problem.

agaugust:
China is now making new wire guided missiles after realizing that smoke defeats laser beams.

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Last chinese wire guided ATGM to enter service is the HJ-8 which was developed in the 1970's.

I guess that is another statement i can add to your list of lies.

Infact, China has developed 5 ATGM's since the HJ-8 and none of them are wire-guided.

agaugust:
I never run from this forum, I quit once in a while when I am tired of your fraud and open lies, and I always announce my quitting with reason, even the Admirals and Generals in SANDF will not make me run away in a debate, they have military training and I have it too.
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No, what happens is you lose an argument. Claim everything is fraud and run away to have a sulk.

And you have no military training.
Just like you dont live in America.

agaugust:
Post your NA vs SANDF armour comparison again I dare you !
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Consult the archives.

The conclusion was: Every single piece of SANDF equipment is superior to every peice of Nigerian equipment. In every way.

agaugust:
Everything you wrote above is defeated by the fact that you don't know Egypt has about 1.5 million soldiers.

About 500,000 regulars and 1 million trained reserves.

Egypt's last war with Israel was a draw/stalemate and Israel was almost overwhelmed.

Britain defeated Argentina that had zero war experience and an army of youth conscripts who surrender without common sense.

I an not comparing air and sea, I said Egyptian army is more powerful than British army today.

Egyptian equipment includes modern 1990s to 2000s year generation American-European tanks and missiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_modern_Egyptian_Army

Britain is NOT any better, Britain is much smaller in equipment and out-numbered 10 times in infantry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Army#Weapons_inventory

You make fraudulent claims and struggle to escape the traps you set for yourself
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Egyptian army is a conscript army as well, hence Egyptian Military = Argentine Military

3 Egyptian Army Groups of some 800 000 men were defeated by one Isrealy Armored Division. The Yom Kappur War was a decisive Isrealy victory.

Modern Egypt has never won a war.

The United Kingdom has never lost a war since 1770.

The British Army is superior in every single way, and has combat experience which the Egyptians do not.

Numbers do not count for anything in modern warfare, as was shown by Isreal.

Please, dont let me stop you, continue to embarrass yourself.

Also: Show me my fraudulent claims - do you want me to post a list of your fraudulent claims?

agaugust:
I have proved with sources that the air war was joint operation between MONUSCO Mi-35 Hinds of Ukraine and FIB Rooivalks of South Africa, the glory belongs to United Nations led by army Generals from Brazil and Tanzania.

"Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo."


http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html


CASE CLOSED

Yes, initially.

Hinds were then withdrawn after the first attacks against M23 because the Hind was found to be inferior.

http://www.africandefence.net/after-23-years-rooivalks-fire-first-shots-in-drc/

Rooivalks were the only asset used against the ADF

At first, the U.N. mostly supplied logistics and intelligence, probably relying on its new fleet of surveillance drones. But the MONUSCO peacekeeping force also deployed helicopter gunships to reduce ADF defenses around one of their last strongholds. The three South African Rooivalk copters fired 20-millimeter cannons and unguided missiles.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-n-goes-after-the-next-rebel-group-in-congo-f7ba02b65a96

You can misquote as many sources as you want. And use as much outdates info as you want. The facts remain unchanged

agaugust:
Post your NA vs SANDF armour comparison again I dare you !

I never run from this forum, I quit once in a while when I am tired of your fraud and open lies, and I always announce my quitting with reason, even the Admirals and Generals in SANDF will not make me run away in a debate, they have military training and I have it too.

Ingwe Vs Swingfire, smoke defeats Ingwe laser lights, Ingwe can only travel in a straight line, Swingfire cannot be jammed by smoke, it's wire guidance makes it swing around corners and deceive the target, Swingfire is better than Ingwe, reason why Egypt still uses them after battle experience with Israeli tanks, and China is now making new wire guided missiles after realizing that smoke defeats laser beams.

Swingfire is superior to Ingwe based on guidance system reliability.

Nigeria has more tanks than South Africa's dry land only semi-immobile army
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Hey numbnutz

Smoke obscures the target

If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot guide the Swingfire onto the target

Conclusion: Smoke also defeats the Swingfire

Also, you have no laser-warning. So you will only know the Ingwe is there after the first batch of Nigerian tanks explode.

Nigeria has inferior tanks to the SANDF.

agaugust:
Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc

Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers.

You only imagine a nation is powerful because of it's name. Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times. Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces.

Even Nigeria has more artillery than Britain today, not to then mention Egypt. All Britian uses to bully people is nuclear weapons and NATO defense pact. India will defeat Britain on land, sea, and air.

Egypt will beat the British on land

Your comments are 99% voodoo logic and only 1% fact if at all there is any fact in your posts

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Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc

Egypt has 468,500 soldiers in its army

It has 22 000 armoured vehicals - most of which are obsolete.

Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers.

Some of the most advanced and best trained soldiers in the world.

Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times.

England is one of 2 nations in earth that has fought a modern air-land-sea war

Egypt is not one of them.

Egypt has also never won a war in its modern military history. England is undefeated since the 1770's

Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces.

They didnt when they crossed the globe to annihilate the Argentinians.

Egypt will beat the British on land

The Egyptian military is poorly run, has obsolete doctrine, largely obsolete equipment and has performed terribly in every single war it has ever fought - it has yet to win one.

During the Yom Kippur war a paltry Isrealy armored Divison (led by ariel sharon) defeated 800 000 Egyptian soldiers. A division defeated and trapped 3 whole army groups!! 800 000 defeated by less than 20 000!!!

You see, your understanding of military matters is the same as a childs. You think numbers are everything. They arent, they never have been and never will be. In modern warfare, quality will always defeat quantity.

agaugust:
Nope, MONUSCO was involved in some last combat, and majorly was flank-guard and rear-guard protection for FIB, war is like that, you secure a theatre, not just a field of ops.

Tanzania brought D-30 long range artillery and used them to decimate M23, South Africa brought in Rifles, LOL, Lion share of glory goes to Tanzania, SANDF still desperate to steal UN glory because they have no other war to show the world except Seleka rebels catastrophe
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Ok, so show me where you found information saying that MONUSCO was involved in Flank-guard and rear-guard protection.


SANDF was the biggest contributor

SANDF destroyed the M23 command and supply with SF using advanced anti-material rifles.

SANDF mortar troopers were the preferred support unit for the DRC Army.

And the final blow: it was the SANDF Rooivalk that defeated the M23 in the final battle. It was the SANDF Rooivalk that forces ADF to flee back into Uganda.

agaugust:
They replaced nothing, they jointly fought together, that news has been posted here many times. Why are you 99% a liar in your comments?

Is there no man of honour in the whole of South Africa?

"Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo."

http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html

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Initially and then the Hinds were pulled out and only the Rooivalk was used agains the ADF in later operations.

http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1269/rooivalk-in-christmas-day-drc-action

agaugust:
I am not moving goal posts, I am only showing you how many different ways and means Nigerian army will waste your Ingwes and Mass M.urder Ratels.

You are the fools that believe Nigerian army has only AK-47 and Toyota Hilux. LOL

None of the SANDF equipment you listed above has any gun with 24km range direct fire mode with X8 high power magnification telescope like Nigerian Palmaria.

Ingwes and Ratels die together when they meet Nigerian army . PROVED to your chagrin
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And you forget that South Africa has more and better ways to waste your entire armored formations.

I posted a comparison between Nigerian armor and South African armor and you were so shocked and saddened that you fled the forum for a full 48 hours. Do you wish me to do it again?

And you are moving the goalposts... first we are talking Ingwe v Swingfire... now you are talking about artillery? That is literally moving the goal-posts.

agaugust:
South African army radio recordings of South African propaganda.

Why don't you record the Cuban killings of SADF Olifant tanks and Ratels ?
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Cubans didnt kill any Olifants

How could real-life recordings made in the heat of combat be propaganda?

agaugust:
Show me a neutral source to prove that claim, not your usual Southie propaganda machinery news of deception
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How about the Radio recordings of the Crew during the battle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JnHOS8SIPE

((((BOOOM))))

agaugust:
Go handle your rifle in front of Seleka rebels and get back your SANDF Gecko vehicles
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Maybe you should be more worried about getting millions of dollars worth of equipment back from Boko Haram

agaugust:
Nope. liar.

MONUSCO has about 20 countries, and some of them joined FIB to defeat M23.

Ukraine is from MONUSCO, yet their Mi-35 Hinds joined Rooivalk to attack M23 since the Rooivalk was poorly armed with only one French gun and some dumb European rockets.

MONUSCO and FIB fought together, and in FIB only Tnazania used D-30 long range artillery to subdue M23, Tanzania also planned and commanded South Africa in FIB, the brain that defeated M23 is Tanzanian brain, South African military has no brain to win a war
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Nope.

FIB was the only MONUSCO unit that was allowed to attack M23, Indians were breifly involved in the Defence of Goma (which they failed at) before the FIB was deployed.

Rooivalk was called in because the Hind was found to be unable to be effective

SANDF units were commanded by South Africans.

Dude, this is established fact. I have no idea why you continue to dispute these facts.

agaugust:
The shell will hit target at 7km with multiple fires, less accurate but still deadly with multiple fire.

Bullets kill at their max range, just needs multiple rounds to make up for deflection.

Fire once and every single commander on the battle-feild will be calling mortars and arty on you.


You think we will just sit back and allow you to fire 5 or six times to get your sights in?

Joker.

agaugust:
The Swingfire launcher releases smoke, blocks Ingwe laser lights, wastes all 3 ingwes as each one is launched. Ratel becomes defenceless, Swingfire launcher sees smoke clear off (smoke is air swept, it clears quickly) then fires Swingfire, Ingwe perishes forever, PITY

The above is what is called BATTLEFIELD TACTICS, only the war skilled knows those things, they study your weapon, take advantage of your weapon's weakness, use the advantage of their own weapon to defeat you.....BATTLEFIELD TACTICS for each weapon vs weapon engagement is not available for South Africans to copy and paste online.

Naija Ninjas will continue to shock Southies. PITY

Why would the Ratel ZT3 fire all three at once?

What will happen is:

1. Ratel ZT3's fire first slavoe of Ingwe from a distance of 5km
2. Nigerian Armour cannot detect Ingwe because lol no laser warning
3. Numerous Nigerian tanks explode as though they were made from pure explodium
4. Surviving Nigerian tanks deploy smoke - because Nigeria has no weapon that can reach the Ingwe's which are 5km away
5. Smoke clears - Nigeria prepares to engage the ZT3's... but they are no where to be seen (what is shoot and scoot?)
6. While scanning for the ZT3's andother batch of Nigerian vehicals explode...

This happens two more times, once ZT3's have expended all their ammunition... they pull back to reload in safety.

That is battlefield tactics.


Conclusion: Ingwe > Swingfire
Sub Conclusion: SANDF Armor > Nigerian Armor

agaugust:
Egyptian army is more powerful than British army today

Egypt still uses Swingfire like Nigeria
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Egypt more powerfull than the British Army?

O

MY

GOD

You have proceeded to full mental impairment

agaugust:
No, you have voodoo logic to show your dullness in the skull

Your SAN Valour frigate Exocet block 2 missiles are out-dated and replaced by Block 3 version, so your warships have useless missiles.

China just developed a new wire guided missile in 2000s, they are NOT obsolete, the world is still developing and using wire guided missiles because they cannot be jammed by smoke like your laser missiles.

Only wire guided missiles can turn around corners to hit target, laser missiles like your foolish Ingwe are forced to travel only in straight lines or else they miss target.

You say Egyptian Swingfires are vehicle mounted, now show us photo of ALL Egyptian Swingfire launchers to prove your fairy tale.

Swingfire is still in use by oil rich countries, all want to keep their powerful Swingfire missiles that cannot be jammed like the smoke defeated Ingwe.

Saudi Arabia with one of the best equipped armies in the world still uses her Swingfire missiles.


Then you say Swingfire has to be driven around by vehicle to kill, yet you say Egypt has replaced its man-portable systems with Javelin, well photo below shows Javelin being used to kill without being mounted on a vehicle, DENEL South Africa in 2013 last year developed new Ingwe missile without vehicle to be fixed on a tripod stand, so the newest Ingwe 2013 system cannot kill? Your fake voodoo logic....

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What are you even talking about?

ATGM's going around corners?

Demands that i get egypt to get all their swingfires in one place so i can take photo's of them?

this:

agaugust:
Then you say Swingfire has to be driven around by vehicle to kill, yet you say Egypt has replaced its man-portable systems with Javelin, well photo below shows Javelin being used to kill without being mounted on a vehicle, DENEL South Africa in 2013 last year developed new Ingwe missile without vehicle to be fixed on a tripod stand, so the newest Ingwe 2013 system cannot kill? Your fake voodoo logic.... .

doesnt even make any sense.

And yes, Wire-guided can be jammed by smoke... if the operator cannot see the target, he does not know what to shoot at.

Henry120:
Bla bla bla.

It's nothing but a cheap propaganda video.

It features multi-million dollar armoured vehicals... so its not cheap at all.

Henry120:
Mumu.

Stop Spreading B.H propaganda.

Literal video evidence

You are the one who allways demands pictures...

Are factual statements propaganda?

[size=20pt]SHOCKING NEW REVELATIONS FROM BOKO HARAM VIDEO!!! MASSIVE AMMOUNTS OF CAPTURED NIGERIAN EQUIPMENT!! INCLUDING BRAND NEW MRAPS!![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77YwVoM7_JA

Photo 1: captured Saurer 4K 4FA
Photo 2: different Saurer 4K 4FA (note that this one is brown not black)
Photo 3: Captured MRAP
Photo 4: Same (or different?) captured MRAP seen providing fire-support in BH attack.... BH technical seen just behind it

agaugust:
The Hollywood war movie script you wrote above is hilarious and I cannot stop laughing

LOL, you wrote a war story where only you was attacking, and your enemy was watching you as if his own hands are chained and padlocked.

@Mike.ZA used to right insane Soap Opera Drama stuff like that when he first joined this forum, it took a while to re-arrange his confused brain, but he is better educated by Nigerians now, so I advice you go borrow the Nigerians' war notebooks we gave him to read and cured his insaniity that got him the comical nick-name PAPA AJASCO
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Nigerian army will be watching only, because CnC and mobility will be removed by superior fire-power, intelligence and mobility of the SANDF

agaugust:
Did South Africa fight alone in Congo DRC?

Yes or no?

Glory thief !
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UN FIB was composed of 3 Nations.

UN FIB defeated the M23

South Africa was the biggest contributor to the FIB.

agaugust:
Range is 7km max for Nigerian recoilless rifles


M40 Recoilless Rifle
Rcl106lat2.jpg
Greek infantry with an M40
Type Recoilless rifle
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service Mid 1950s–present
Used by See Users
Wars Vietnam War
Cambodian Civil War
Portuguese Colonial War
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
Rhodesian Bush War
Falklands War[citation needed]
Iran–Iraq war
Libyan Civil War
Syrian Civil War
Production history
Manufacturer Watervliet Arsenal
Specifications
Weight 209.5 kg (462 lb)
Length 3.404 m (11 ft 2 in)
Height 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in)
Shell 106×607mmR (HEAT, HEP, HEAP, Canister)
Caliber 105 mm (4.1 in)
Recoil Recoilless
Carriage Tripod
Elevation -17° to +65° (between mount legs)
-17° to +27° (over mount leg)[1]
Traverse 360°
Muzzle velocity 503 m/s (1,650 ft/s)[1] (M344 HEAT)
Effective firing range 1,350 m (1,480 yd)
Maximum firing range 6,870 m (M346A1 HEP-T)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_recoilless_rifle#cite_note-2
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Yes, and effective range is 1,3km.

You can only accurately and effectivly engage targets at 1,3km.

agaugust:
Olodo, the Swingfire is named swing because it has special uncommon ability to swing around in circles and curves unlike your dumbo Ingwe that follows only a straight line laser light, or your own light turns around corners ? Fool, law of physics South African education cannot teach you...light travels in a straight line always....Olodo

The Swingfire will smoke out all your Ingwes and force you to waste the 3 missiles and lose them to smoke, then he will launch his own Swingfire because Ingwe on Ratel can only be reloaded when the Ratel occupants come outside to carry the missiles for reload, then they die by Swingfire along with their unlucky Ratels. PITY PITY PITY
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Yes, light travels in straight lines.

So if smoke obscures the target your gunner has nothing to shoot at. How can he swing your missile if he does not know where to swing it to?

Smoke defeats the Swingfire like it does the Ingwe.

agaugust:
Lies, Egypt makes Swingfire and still uses them, Egypt is a world power and strongest military in Africa 2014
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England invented and produced the Swingfire.

They no longer use them.

The UK is a hyper-power. Egypt is a lowly regional power.

agaugust:
The official launch platform for Swingfire is those Stormer vehicles. It is only a dull South African brain that cannot mount an ATGM on a vehicle, even ISIS can do it.

Nigeria has Swingfire and the Stormer vehicle, completes the required combination.

Nigeria has not shown any of it's Swingfires in public, whatever way they mount it, they have it.

Swingfire does not need to be driven around to k.ill, and Egypt the strongest military in Africa still uses Swingfire till today 2014.

Same way South African navy Valour frigates still uses old Exocet MM40 block that has long ago being replaced by block 3.

If our Swingfires are ineffective, then your old generation Exocets are also ineffective . Equation balanced

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No, you have not shown that you have the equipment to mount it on a stormer.

Egypt uses the Swingfire on mounted vehicals only - so yes it appears that it does have to be driven around to kill

It has replaced its man-portable systems with Milans and Javelins.

Exocet is still a viable technology and uses the correct seekers. Wire-guided ATGM's are obsolete.

Dude, dont come here with your voodoo logic

agaugust:
PHOTO : NIGERIAN ARMY STORMER APC FOR CARRYING SWINGFIRE MISSILES
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Show us the launcher for the APC

Show us the targetting system for the APC

What are you just going to strap the swingfire on with duct-tape and hope for the best?

Nigeria has no stormers armed with the swingfire