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agaugust:
Thanks man !

All parts for the missile published last year are made from 100% locally sourced materials.

Emerging domestic missile industry of Nigeria
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Where do you draw this conclusion from?

Henry120:
Won't be the first time, the South-African government negotiated and gave up their government to the terrorists.

Yes, but it would be our first time bowing to GENOCIDAL SEPARATIST WARCRIMINALS

The NA has made a deal with the devil

Henry120:
Hey dummy, the President recently approved 2 billion dollars specifically for weapons acquisitions.

OPLOT-M and more T-72's coming in.

He spent all that money on helicopters.

And its not MORE T-72's because you dont have any to start with

Henry120:
We've seen Nigeria use Data links, South-Africa has no data links. Let us see any used operationally?

We have posted sources of their operational use, the Hawks for example, or the naval exercise that involved SF jumping out a plane and being picked up by a sub - something only possible through the use of LinkZA and BLUEFOR trackers

You have yet to show us any sources that specify nigerian data-link use

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Nigeria has many T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine. PROVED so you cannot change the FACT.

http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/

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Lol, what source is this?

The same one that said you were getting T84's has now changed its tune and says T-72's?

Dude, come with legit sources dont post this rubbish here.

Also, are you seriously bragging about getting T-72's?

Its literally the worst tank in the world right now!!!

Finally, the pictures you posted are not found in that link.

agaugust:
According to SAAF air chief, Mokopa missile 10km range is too long and therefore useless, so they will NEVER buy it.

Case closed
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So the missile can only attack targets 10km away?

Not 9? 8? 5?

Wow, this is some retarded logic right here.

Also, that is blatantly not what he said

agaugust:
Jut shows how dull you are, your above story heavily contradicts itself.

See the lines you bolded, one says Nigerian soldiers flee from Boko Haram then goes again to say the soldiers who fled are multi-national troops from 3 countries armies...Nigeria, Chad and Niger Republic all combined.

So which one do we believe from your fake story ? NONE

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THe bolded lines do not say that at all.

Go home augubgugu, you are drunk

agaugust:
Same way you claim SAAB of Sweden, Thales of Britain, Nissan of Japan, etc are all South African companies

Thief

95% of South African defense industry is European branches opened by your white masters in South Africa.

#Copy Cats
# Thieves
# Barawo Ole Jankoriko
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Where did we say that?

You creating imaginary arguments to win again?

agaugust:
95% of South African defense industry is just European branches of arms manufacturers who opened factory in Soweto Republic
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Citation please.

agaugust:
#Show me made in South Africa radar that does not have European company involved in it's prodcution
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You are the one making the accusations, you have to show us that they do.

We cannot show you that which does not exist.

Do you think people will write an artical entitled "this is a list of people who did not make this thing"

You have no argument

agaugust:
Possible is NOT = Done.

Nigeria too can possibly buy the Akash SAM with 35km range from India as published in world news last year, get it?

Even if intergrated, SAAF has NEVER ordered ANY Mokopa missile, because of lack of funds and the fact I posted, that your then air force chief said the 10km long range is useless because the Rooivalk will not see the target

DENEL engineers are just dumbo domingoes to design a missile that is useless, named Mokopa ATGM.


[size=14pt]SAAF has NO SINGLE Mokopa missile, Rooivalk is a gun carrier [/size]

Nigeria has T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/
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No, Nigeria could ask India to sell it a weapons systems - wether or not you get it is relaint on what the indians say.

South Africa, makes the Mokopa, its integrated, and the factory that produces them is just down the road from AFB Waterkloof

And the Makopa is the best ATGM in the world, hands down.

agaugust:
show source to prove it
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Consult the archives.

I have proved it conclusively

agaugust:
Boko Haram is a religious group, and not a conventional war.

Mighty Israel has failed to defeat Hamas religious group.

Mighty America + Britain failed to defeat Taliban in Afghanistan

Nobody can kill peoples's religious faith with a gun and bullet, you kill one, and two will replace him

Your own soldiers can also become religious terrorists and secretly betray your army.

SANDF has never fought a religious group in battle, all we see is photos of training to fight a non-existent enemy.

SANDF = Boys Scout
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Nigeria has not betean any insurgents ever.

You just made a deal with genocidal maniacs... not us.

agaugust:
You cannot use what you did not integrate, it is a technical issue, Mokopa is NOT integrated on Rooivalk, and SAAF has none in service.

Nigeria too has weapons stored in Ukraine that we can call in anytime
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You dont have any weapons in the ukraine


Pictures of Rooivalk firing Mokopa show that is integrated.

Henry120:
A country that completely copied the Super Puma, cannot build an attack helicopter own it's own.

This is a fact.

With the multiple failed bids, and that of turkey in particular, it is clear to every sane mind that Denel cannot claim to be the OEM.

The Turks a NATO member went on to license build the wonderful Italian T-129.

The only thing south-african in the rooivalk are the tires.

Care to prove it?

agaugust:
Prove it.

Sweden was and is and shall ever be superior to South Africa in technology, they have NOTHING to learn from Grintek, it was you that traveled so Sweden to kneel down and buy their Gripen jets from superior brains in Sweden

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Thats not how it works augugbgugug

You made the claim

You have to prove it

agaugust:
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95% of what you guys claim as South African defence industry is actually imported from USA/Europe/Israel/Brazil and given a new South African name when it arrives at your sea port.

Most of your SA defence companies simply signed partnerships with European weapons manufacturers and produce or export their stuff to South Africa under a different product name.

South African defence industry is 419.....Glory thieves....All na wash
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Ok, you have said it many times.

But you are (as usual) unable to prove it.

I guess the fact that the IGIRI is not nigerian is causing a meltdown.

agaugust:
Now I see you really Butt-Hurt and gasping for breath, sweating like a new yam goat in Abakaliki main market

South Africa does not produce any data-links or radar, I proved that already.

SAAB-Grintek South Africa, well know SAAB is a Swedish company exporting equipment to Grintek Soweto.

Thales, it's a British company we know for years, they opened branch in South Africa to ship defence equipment to you.

Reutech is part of Reunart, and that is American/European company mix, they sent their white engineers in large numbers and equipment into South Africa to open a branch and sell shares of the company to you.


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You have never actually proved any of this and we are still waiting for you to do so.

Or are some tractors sold in the 1950's now data-links? Is that what you meant when you said Nigeria has data-links?

agaugust:
South African air force has NO Mokopa missile

You are a FRAUDSTER !

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Mokopa was intergrated on the Rooivalk

Mokopa is built by a company owned by the South African government

So yes, it has them... or is the rooivalk firing imaginary missiles here?

agaugust:
I have been keeping quiet about this 'standardized' army talk for months, but today I will answer you.

Will an army be able to k.ill if they have 5 different types of rifles ? Yes, they just need to put the bullet in the head of SANDF

You cannot standardize an army by restricting types of equipment, you will have an army with many weakpoints.

SANDF is so 'standardized' that your whole nation has no single all terrain tracked APC, no tracked IFV, no tracked tank destroyer, no tracked battle field ambulance, no all terrain tracked light tanks, NO SINGLE ALL TERRAIN TRACKED AIR DEFENCE SYSTEMS AND MISSILE LAUNCHER !!!

Nigeria has all these with our Styer APC, 4K Mortar carrier, Plamaria artillery, MT-LB multirole APC, Storm APC-ATGM launcher, Scorpion tanks, Roland SAMs.

South African army became a dry land only army with major weakness and ZERO ability to fight on all terrains of battlefields, that is standardization? No, that is the weakest army in Africa in all terrain warfare, stuck and helpless sitting duck SANDF in wetland war zone.

Also, South Africa has ZERO amphibious armoured vehicles that can cross rivers and lakes to go out-flank the enemy, Nigeria has has fully amphibious Cobra APC, VBL APC, Sagaie Tank Destroyers, and BTR-3U IFV etc.

What you call South African standardization is actually a proof that South African army is very far far far below Nigerian army standard.

SANDF will be 99% grounded and immobilized in an ALL TERRAIN battle theatre, your military will be wiped out by Nigeria !


Developed from Italian gun means Italy sold the technology wholesale to South Africa, and DENEL changed the colour and the name to fool people that it is South Africa.

The gun is naval, and cannot shoot straight on your Rooikat IFV, show us where Rooikat scored hit in a battle with it's inaccurate gun

Galil is Israeli made rifle, the technology was sold to South Africa wholesale, and to change name as usual and claim it is South African made, you changed the b.utt or stock and the maganize container to plastic and called it R4 rifle South African product, FRAUD !

"The weapon is a licenced variant of the Israeli Galil ARM assault rifle[4][5] with several modifications; notably, both the stock and magazine are now made of a high-strength polymer and the stock was lengthened, adapting the weapon for the average South African soldier."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vektor_R4

SA Glory thieves in action !!!

Your defence industry is 95% copied or stolen from overseas
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Not even worth the time and energy responding to seriously, so here are bullet points

- Denel only used the Italian breech of the gun for development
- Tracks are a hinderance on the African battlefield.
- Unita and the Cubans had amphibious vehicals... we did not... yet we defeated them every time we met in battle
- No "developed from" does not mean that
- Rooikat gun is accurate up to 2km-2km
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product956.html
- I have allready shown that Nigerian armor doesnt stand a chance against the SANDF


The nigerian arsenal is a hodge-podge of half aquired obsolete weapons systems that are nothing more than a logistical nightmare.

agaugust:
[size=16pt] # Show us a war South Africa has fought alone in the last 20 years with over 30,000 soldiers + tanks + artillery + jet fighters + helicopter gunships + ISTAR aircraft + logistics aircraft + armoured vehicles + IFV + all terrain armoured mechanized battalions all in a single war at the same time.

# South Africa has no military except in @THIZA's hollywood photos.

# South African military has not been tested in the capacity of big scale war mentioned above

# AU and UN does not recognize SANDF as a real military force and never allows you to lead any war or fight alone

# All we see is SANDF training photos firing weapons into empty bush and against sand/stones in open land with NO SINGLE ENEMY to reply them

# SANDF = Nigerian Police....SANDF can only point rifles at THIZA's photo camera and video cameramen at home, see photo below

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Show me one that Nigeria has.

Show me any war in hsitroy that nigeria has faced enemy tanks, sam systems, fighter jets etc

agaugust:
#Show me made in South Africa radar that does not have European company involved in it's prodcution
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Show me one that does.

I was casually strolling through the internet when I found pic related.....

agaugust:
South Africa does not make data-links, your Reutech company is another of your import agents that imports European products and gives them South African names. Reutech is amalgamated with Ruenert.

"During the first part of the twentieth century Reunert and Lenz continued as agents for international firms such as Babcock & Wilcox, Bellis & Morcom, ASEA of Sweden and the North British Railway Company. Products included almost every aspect of engineering from ploughs and steamrollers to locomotives, tugboats and trams. By the mid '50s, Reunert & Lenz had supplied over 2 500 mainline locomotives from North British to the SAR.

In 1914 the company converted to a private limited liability company known as Reunert & Lenz Limited. The Great Depression of 1929 hit the company hard but Reunert & Lenz survived thanks to their sole agency for Babcock and Wilcox Ltd boilers. Power stations continued to need equipment and spares when all other business was halted.

In 1997, major disposals include the mechanical engineering division Reumech OMC that was sold to Vickers and the 50% stake in Alstom which was sold to its parent company Alstom France.

A decision in the 60s had brought overseas associates into South Africa to operate jointly controlled companies with Reunert & Lenz on the basis of 50-50 partnerships. Five such "company marriages" were made with European companies ."

http://www.reunert.com/about-history.php

Also, in 2013 Swedish company SAAB was invited from Sweden to come and join Reutech and you imported engineers and equipment from Sweden then gave them South African names to steal glory from Sweden.

South Africans are glory thieves from birth.


Your South African data-links company is an agent of American and European exporters who ship parts to you, and send you engineers to do project design and implementation, imported white brains and white technology imports.

South African data-link is imported and given a new name at the sea port on arrival. PROVED

[size=16pt] It took only 10 minutes to shipwreck your error and fraud loaded arguments [/size]

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OK, so a South African company has ties to european ones... nothing about importing european tech there only tractors and ploughs... do you thinkn data links are composed of data links and ploughs?

Also, in 2013 Swedish company SAAB was invited from Sweden to come and join Reutech and you imported engineers and equipment from Sweden then gave them South African names to steal glory from Sweden.

Citation? Proof?

Until then [size=15pt]LIE[/size]

Dude, its getting boring wrecking your sh1t

Show us where it says our tech is imported

Show

Us

agaugust:
Rocket pod is trivial thing? It is the only powerful weapon on SAAF Rooivalk, the other thing is a mere gun made in France

NAF makes rocket pods, SAAF imports them. There is no defense against NAF rocket pods, they cannot be jammed by ECM.

Abuja spy balloon is for civilian use, and what you posted is different from Nigerian military made spy balloon.

Show me proof that Nigerian army is using the civilian Israeli balloon.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/133308-nigerian-army-announces-hi-tech-device-to-tackle-boko-haram.html

We built Amebo I drone, Amebo II drone, Amebo III drone, Gulma drone, Icheokwu mini drone....ALL PROUDLY NIGERIAN, show me where Israel claims to be involved, show me proof of your false claims.

Stealth OPV, China have given Nigeria full technology transfer, we can build it anytime we want, according to Janes Defence info..

"F 91 was launched by state-owned shipbuilder China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) in January 2014, and was taken for sea trials by affiliated shipyard Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry. The second OPV, F 92, is being built by CSOC in China but will be outfitted at the naval shipyard in Port Harcourt, Nigeria, in a technology transfer arrangement."

http://www.janes.com/article/45252/china-completes-sea-trials-for-nigerian-opv


Your other claims also affects South Africa.

You don't produce your main assault rifle R4, you paid Israel to give you licence to copy Israeli Galil rifle and give it a new name

Same way Browning heavy machine gun and mortar artillery are produced under licence by DICON Nigeria.

Both of us are in the same boat

Olifant tank forever remains British product, South Africa only upgraded it, same way Nigeria also upgraded British Scorpion tanks with new armour, new engine, and new 90mm gun.

South Africa is in very same boat with Nigeria.

South Africa does not make data-links, your Reutech company is another of your import agents that imports European products and gives them South African names. Reutech is amalgamated with Ruenert.

"During the first part of the twentieth century Reunert and Lenz continued as agents for international firms such as Babcock & Wilcox, Bellis & Morcom, ASEA of Sweden and the North British Railway Company. Products included almost every aspect of engineering from ploughs and steamrollers to locomotives, tugboats and trams. By the mid '50s, Reunert & Lenz had supplied over 2 500 mainline locomotives from North British to the SAR.

In 1914 the company converted to a private limited liability company known as Reunert & Lenz Limited. The Great Depression of 1929 hit the company hard but Reunert & Lenz survived thanks to their sole agency for Babcock and Wilcox Ltd boilers. Power stations continued to need equipment and spares when all other business was halted.

In 1997, major disposals include the mechanical engineering division Reumech OMC that was sold to Vickers and the 50% stake in Alstom which was sold to its parent company Alstom France.

A decision in the 60s had brought overseas associates into South Africa to operate jointly controlled companies with Reunert & Lenz on the basis of 50-50 partnerships. Five such "company marriages" were made with European companies ."

http://www.reunert.com/about-history.php

Also, in 2013 Swedish company SAAB was invited from Sweden to come and join Reutech and you imported engineers and equipment from Sweden then gave them South African names to steal glory from Sweden.

South Africans are glory thieves from birth.


Your South African data-links company is an agent of American and European exporters who ship parts to you, and send you engineers to do project design and implementation, imported white brains and white technology imports.

South African data-link is imported and given a new name at the sea port on arrival. PROVED

[size=16pt] It took only 10 minutes to shipwreck your error and fraud loaded arguments [/size]

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I shall deal with this in the morrow, but first

agaugust:
South Africa does NOT produce vehicle engines, ALL your IFV, APC, MRAP, etc are just welded steel put on American/European made imported engines.

Rooikat gun is Italian, they gave you 100% technology to make copies....

"The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun."

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm

You CANNOT fool a Nigerian, keep on posting your fraud and lies
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Someone does not know what developed from mean... ie: improved upon

And armoured vehicals are more than just engines

We have developed an FCS system and gun stabilization system.

Has Nigeria?? NO!!

hahah

agaugust:
Same way 20mm Cannon will penetrate and wreck ALL South African made MRAPs even if you use spiritual magic protection on your MRAPs

First Roovalk helicopter prototype that flew, is an ugly Vulture.

100% black means Nigeria is the greatest black nation on earth and Soweto blacks are 100 years behind Nigerian blacks intellectually
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lol, vodoo logic.

South Africa is not 100% black, and we dont care, because we are the best in Africa

lol, augubgug has removed his post and run away.

Lol, i was about to wrek his sh1t

agaugust:
Show me aircraft made in South Africa, not light planes that you assembles, Nigeria too assembled light plane Air Beetle.

Rooivalk is 90% French made, only the body metal welded and tyres added in South Africa, vital components came from Europe and they have refused to sell more to you, such that you CANNOT make anymore Rooivalk helicopter, white-men still rule South Africa from Europe, and the rocket pods are imported, ALL Rooivalk weapons are improted, and the only gun on the Rooivalk is French made GIAT cannon imported by DENEL, your Rooivalk's destiny is controlled by France.

Show us a real military aircraft made in South Africa, all you did was assemble Hawk jet with pieces and parts imported from Britain.

AHRLAC is a backyard toy anybody can build at home, proved already.

If assembly of aircraft means South Africa builds light planes, Nigeria too does it very well
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Rooivalk is not 90% french - you keep saying it but cannot prove it

Rooivalk has the Makopa which is 100% South African.

AHRLAC is a copy of nothing, show us where it says its a copy of anything.

agaugust:
Nigeria builds for our jet fighter, air to ground attack rocket pods which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds bomb disposal robots which South Africa does not

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307231128.html

Nigeria builds spy balloons which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds modern stealth warships which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds all terrain tracked APCs which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds heavy machine guns at DICON
Nigeria builds mortar artillery at DICON
Nigeria builds sniper rifles at DICON
Nigeria builds 3 different types of UAV / Drones

South African missiles are built with Israeli help because you cannot do it alone
South Africa does not build datalinks, they import from Europe
South Africa deos not build MBTs, Olifant is British made Centurion tank
South Africa does not build radars, they import from Europe

The best defense industry in Africa is that of Egypt, they build jet fighter engines, main battle tanks, ballistic missiles, etc.

South African defence industry is comparable to that of Hamaz terrorist rocket makers in Gaza Palestine
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Nigeria builds for our jet fighter, air to ground attack rocket pods which South Africa does not

We build some of the most advanced missiles in the world - why would we waste our time with such trivial things?

Nigeria builds spy balloons which South Africa does not

No, you purchased the spy baloons from Isreal
http://allafrica.com/stories/201211060900.html

[size=15pt]So that is a lie [/size]

Nigeria builds modern stealth warships which South Africa does not

No, Nigeria assembles stealth warships that are built in China... like Lego

[size=15pt]So that is a lie[/size]

Nigeria builds all terrain tracked APCs which South Africa does not

[size=15pt]This is just a lie[/size]

Nigeria builds heavy machine guns at DICON

No you dont. You assemble foreign designs.

South Africa on the otherhand has developed and built a 100% indigenous machinegun - the SS7

[size=15pt]So that is another lie[/size]

Nigeria builds mortar artillery at DICON

So does South Africa, and so do Syrian rebels... this is nothing impressive.

Nigeria builds sniper rifles at DICON

No, you assemble foreign designs.

[size=15pt]So this is a lie[/size]

Nigeria builds 3 different types of UAV / Drones

No, you build one which is a direct copy of an Isrealy drone

[size=15pt]So this is a lie [/size]

South African missiles are built with Israeli help because you cannot do it alone
Really? Which one? Makopa? Ingwe? Uhmkonto? A-darter? Raptor 2? Please, show us some proof of your claims.

[size=15pt]Until you do, this remains a lie[/size]

South Africa does not build datalinks, they import from Europe

Reutech Systems is a South African company and they make LinkZA
http://www.reutechcomms.com/linkza/

[size=15pt]So, this is another lie[/size]

South Africa deos not build MBTs, Olifant is British made Centurion tank

We never said that we did, but we have domestically upgraded it to the level that it is one of the best in Africa.
2014 and you still are unaware of the Tiger FCS, composit armor, gun-stabilization, enginen et al that we developed for it

Nigeria does not upgrade any of its equipment

South Africa does not build radars, they import from Europe

I will dedicate a post to this childish statement


[size=15pt]So Augugbgugu... anymore lies you wish to tell? You petulant troll. [/size]

AugustineAgain:
Nigeria builds for our jet fighter, air to ground attack rocket pods which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds bomb disposal robots which South Africa does not


Nigeria builds spy balloons which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds modern stealth warships which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds all terrain tracked APCs which South Africa does not
Nigeria builds heavy machine guns at DICON
Nigeria builds mortar artillery at DICON
Nigeria builds sniper rifles at DICON
Nigeria builds 3 different types of UAV / Drones

South African missiles are built with Israeli help because you cannot do it alone
South Africa does not build datalinks, they import from Europe
South Africa deos not build MBTs, Olifant is British made Centurion tank
South Africa does not build radars, they import from Europe

The best defense industry in Africa is that of Egypt, they build jet fighter engines, main battle tanks, ballistic missiles, etc.

South African defence industry is comparable to that of Hezbollah insurgents
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I shall respond to this mindless drivel when i return home from work

Henry120:
Why did you take it down?

Before I give a full response,

Nigeria cannot standardise at this point. Nigeria still relies heavily on imports, only difference at the moment is for the LAV's the government has recently procured, the companies have local Nigerian branches, so servicing shouldn't be too much of an issue.

i took it down as i need to put more thought into it