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agaugust:
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@All South Africans :

1. What is the maximum range of Bofors FH-77B artillery at low altitude and at high altitude ?

2. What is the maximum range of G-6 Rhino artillery at low altitude and at high altitude ?

Answer all questions with reliable sources to prove.

Una go see how yawa go gas with dis question dem o !

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agaugust:
One South African says 30km





Another South African says 20km

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This proves that these South Africans are confused, ignorant, and fraudulent at the same time

They hate Nigerian Bofors artillery 42km range and they will one day argue and sh.oot each other over it
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agaugust:
Nope, the Indian army captain did NOT mention base bleed, you are the one adding your own fraud to his facts.

No arms log records any country's base bleed. Show us list, a full list of all countries that have base bleed shells in this world
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agaugust:
@Patches the fraudster, Africa is full of mountains and lands from 1km to 8km altitude, Indian Kargil where Bofors was tested is only 2.6km average.

Even Nigeria has lands 2.4km high, Ethiopia 4km, Tanzania , Uganda, Morocco much higher than Kargil, so if your fake altitude theory is used , Bofors will fire to 42km range in Nigeria too

Pateches, you are locked in a self trap


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_highest_point

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agaugust:
Unfortunately South Africa has only 38km maximum range artilery shells .

Nigeria has 42km range artillery shells
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agaugust:
20km range for Bofors?

Thé Indian army video at about 2:20 mins says with ordinary HE shells the range of Bofors FH-77B is 31km, so you now cut it down to 20km in your desperation and fraud ?

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agaugust:
Who told you there is no 2.6km mountain or altitude land in Africa?

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agaugust:
Fact remains that artillery shell is slower and loses range in cold Himalayas mountain because cold air is heavier than warm air, and Indian Himalayas is snow covered and snow cold as proved by your own photos, so it actually reduces artillery range, it does NOT increase it.


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ActivateKruger:
This is what a life of a Nigerian commercial worker is starting to look like...


- He works for the South African RMB
- He gets paid his salary at Stanbik Bank
- He pays for his monthly telephone bills at MTN
- He pays his monthly satellite TV subscription at DSTV
- He buys his monthly grocery in Shoprite

agaugust:
Unfortunately for you, your quoted 5.7km lands are not where the Bofors was used in battle, it was in Kargil and the altitude of Kargil is far much lower at only average 2.6km and that includes the snowy slippery slopes of mountains where artillery gun cannot climb, force of gravity will pull it down, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil, and Indian helicopters cannot lift the heavy 24,000 pounds Bofors guns.

Sorry you messed up again as usual, you are locked in a perpetual trap with this argument


Thanks for admitting the Bofors range is 42.3km, longer range than the 41km I said before from army guide website. Thanks

Thanks for proving me right with your 3 photos, the gun is shown on flat lands, pointing barrel towards high altitude mountains....

Your photo clearly proves the gun is NOT on the mountain, it is on flat ground with brown soil, gun points to mountain target, the mountain is white covered with snow and colour is white.

The gun is placed on brown coloured flat ground, not white snow mountain

Proves me right, prove you wrong, the artillery is clearly on flat ground at the bottom of the mountains while the target enemy is sitting on high altitude mountains where the Bofors has advantage of seeing the higher ground targets up to 42.3km

Thanks @Patches for providing 3 photo evidences to prove yourself ABSOLUTELY WRONG

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agaugust:
Thanks for admitting the Bofors range is 42.3km, longer range than the 41km I said before from army guide website. Thanks

Thanks for proving me right with your 3 photos, the gun is shown on flat lands, pointing barrel towards high altitude mountains....

Proves me right, the artillery is on flat ground at the bottom of the mountains while the target enemy is sitting on high altitude mountains where the Bofors has advantage of seeing the higher ground targets up to 42.3km

Thanks @Patches for providing 3 photo evidences to prove yourself ABSOLUTELY WRONG

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EVarn:
what is the difference between the RWAFF and ECOMOG?,they were{and are} made up of 80% nigerian army!.SA's paltry contribution to WW I was due to the british and german role in the war.

Thiza:
SANDF

Msauza:
@Agaugust, to put this simple is that, altitude is any position above sea level. If then your gun is not at the perfect altitude you may not be able to achieve the range of 41km.

agaugust:
Quote where I said that.

I didn't even bother to talk about density of air at high altitude, all I said was and is that the snow in the photos tell you that you cold air on Himalayas mountain and cold air is heavier than hot air, I proved that with a source that gave example of golf ball shot that travels same parabolic movement like artillery shell, the golf ball is slowed down by heavy air on a cold day. Simple physics your Soweto brain will never know until I told you today

Now the Indian army video NEVER said what you claimed, the army Bofors artillery officer said range is 41km at altitude, simple.
The officer did NOT define it as low altitude, medium altitude, or high altitude.....there are 3 levels of altitude and all of them above ground/sea level. You are the one who personally claimed that the man meant high altitude because you want to twist the information to commit fraud as usual. Also the army Captain did not specify what is at altitude, the gun or the target far away.
He just said "At altitude". Finish.

You are the one changing the analysis to high altitude, gun sitting on mountain top where there is snow and nobody can climb, then Bofors is heavy artillery too heavy for Indian helicopters to sling airlift.

@Patches, learn to accept defeat as you are a sunk ship already
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agaugust:

Show me a source that says Bofors artillery range increases by a whole extra 10km in a heavier cold mountain air !

agaugust:
Who told you that helicopter is moving the artillery to mountain top ? Show us where it landed because all the terrain in your photo is flat land....Mumu

I will mess y.ou up badly every time you struggle to get out of this Bofors artillery trap you pushed yourself into

Try again
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agaugust:
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Artillery shells don't go straight up in the air 10km high ! The barrel is not vertical, it is inclined only, fool

If gun range is 20km and it wastes 10km climbing up the sky like an aero plane, the gun loses half it's shell travel range and falls down wasted half way before reaching target.

Your quote applies only to aeroplanes that fly 10km to 20km altitude, not artillery shells that do not even reach the clouds in the sky !

South African education is 100 years behind Nigeria

Cold air is all over Himalayas mountains because of snow, I live in snowland and snow is all over my house and yard now as I write, the air is heavier than normal warm terrain and it creates friction/resistance to vehicles we drive through it.

South Africa imported science teachers from Nigeria, now I see why your country came begging us to help improve your brains

# Show us how cold mountain air increases artillery shell range when it actually slows down the shell
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overhypedsteve:
men, you ve ruined that niggers opinion about his nations airforce. To be honest men i loved that comment. Lots and lots of Butthurts.

agaugust:

Show me a source that says Bofors artillery range increases by a whole extra 10km in a heavier cold mountain air !

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agaugust:
Physics ? You ? South African ? Science ?

You boxed yourself into a corner, see all your posts with no source to proof, no citations.

The real physics is that cold air on high altitude is heavier and gives more resistance to the shell and slows it down, cold air is a dense harder matter for shells to travel through, your science is crappy from your South African crappy schools


"Cold air is much heavier than warm air and this is the basis for much of what we call weather. You may have heard that a baseball or a golf ball will travel further on a warm, humid day than it would on a cold, dry day. Since the warm, humid air is less dense, the ball travels through it with less friction."

http://www.weatherdudes.com/facts_display.php?fact_id=51


Nigerian education beats South African education again as usual, your SA schools are rated only for beautiful buildings

You are stuck in a position of defeat and self humiliation @Patches !


Show me a source that says Bofors artillery range increases by a whole extra 10km in a heavier cold mountain air !

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sirjerry:
SA they call a fight a battle, call a battle a war.

agaugust:
No, you are the fool that thinks artillery shell range increases because the gun is 'on a mountain top', how does it climb ?

Even ordinary hills of Gwoza Nigerian light artillery could not climb, now heavy artillery will climb up Himalayas mountain? fool !

At altitude means the target is on high land and you can see the shells landing on target, nobody tows artillery to mountain top, Bofors is driven by Scania vehicle, like a truck, it cannot climb mountain and helicopter cannot airlift Bofors artillery, so how does it leave army based and climb mountain ? Fool
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Henry120:
We have carried out multiple over-hauls on NNS Aradu on many occasions in-country.

Nothing new.

“According to the Review the SANDF is in a critical state of decline, is unsustainable and prime mission equipment, especially in the landward force, faces block obsolescence. “Ammunition stocks are depleted, infrastructure is falling apart, skilled staff is leaving and the arms of the various services operate in silos and are unable to manage basic procurement, which is centralised and run by the deputy director-general in the Defence Secretariat.”


Nope unlike your brainless generals who have decided to chase pirates with subs, Nigeria doesn't buy, what Nigeria doesn't need.

2 long endurance ships from the U.S
2 corvettes/OPV's from china
2 additional ships from turkey and china
6 65 meters IPV's from the netherlands
Additional 2 Helicopters from china.

This is how you make procurements, based on the Nations needs, on a need to buy, not on a need to buy 26 jets with only 8 pilots to fly.

Posting photos of 4 Augusta LUH of 30 proves absolutely nothing.

Most of the SAAF’s 30-strong light helicopter fleet is grounded because of the “almost total lack of flying-hour allocation”, according to the Defenceweb site. Defenceweb writes that this “precarious financial and personnel situation” also led to the humiliation of the SAAF managing to keep its specialist maritime helicopters aloft for fewer than a dozen hours,".

Again, coming here to post flight hours of your presidential fleet, which is part of the SAAF is absolute balderdash.

You didn't deploy soldiers for anti-poaching ops.......
http://jacarandafm.com/post/the-sandf-and-rhino-poaching/
So, who are these guys, Opera singers?

agaugust:
Your Bofors photo shows the artillery on flat ground level with grass on it, NOT on a mountain top

How will artillery climb up a steep mountain slope in Himalayas, see snow all over the mountain, slippery snow

Fool of Soweto
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agaugust:
You are more like a comedian by profession, your story looks like those used by Boy Alinco trying to impress Miss Pepeye
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agaugust:
Super powers fight real wars, Afghanistan, Iraq, Falklands, Bosnia etc.

All standard armies of this world fire at wood during training, even Togo Republic does it, so what's special if SANDF fires at wood in training, are you trying to impress the army of Lesotho ?

Nigeria fights real wars after real training at defence academy, and periodic exercises and shooting range competitions

SANDF is forever sleeping at home with wives and prostitutes that refresh their HIV viral load
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agaugust:
.....And the same Wiki source puts the South African army at 20,000 while you cut it down to 4,000

Same source puts MPLA and Cuba at 130,000 while you pushed it up to 150,000.

Then you now said 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, you wiped out ALL UNITA and FLNA, then you say I am lying ?

You are the liar.....4,000 Vs 150,000

Deal with it below !

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agaugust:
You say that you don't have to show me, and then you say you already showed me...Contradiction.

You did NOT show us any Indian Bofors artillery on top of Himalayas mountain that has slippery slope with snow....LAIR

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agaugust:
#Show me photo of Indian Bofors artillery gun on Himalayas mountain TOP

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agaugust:
I didnt care about exact numbers, because its an old old argument I have posted before, there are many different sources and I dont care to waste my time on it after 2 years os repeating the same old story. UNITA had FNLA joined together with them, UNITA was not alone, I just didnt care to list names of all those in the war. I dont have time for trivial issues and repeating old stories like a stammerer.


All I proved is SANDF 4,000 men did not fight 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, or else the Cubans would have reached Cape Town in 7 days

You posted a big and unrealistic lie and I crushed it with one blow, now you are butt hurt.
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