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agaugust:
Ingwe missile will not win you a war.

The most powerful weapons in South African military are imported, Gripen jet, Hawk jet, Valour Frigate, Type 209 Submarine, and Olifant tank, IRIS-T missile, Starstreak missile, Milan missile, Paveway Guided bombs....and the list goes on.....
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So, basically, you are throwing a childish fit now?

agaugust:
Show proof of those Nigerians in your garden.

You are more like a South African living on ANC government free cash handout support.

I have proof of Nigerian doctors sucking South Africa dry because you need them desperately

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You mean you have proof of Nigerian doctors who left Nigeria so that they could work in a country with advanced hospitals, highly competitive salaries and the chance for massive personal improvement?

agaugust:
Typing in big fonts won't save you.

LOL, Nigeria has the Stormer APC, they are used as launchers for Swingfire when the army does not want to launch Swingfire on tripod by hand.

Nigeria's Swingfire was produced up till the 1990s, SANDF Ingwe entered service in 1987.

A bomb made in 1960 will k.ill if it explodes on you.

Ingwe is laser guided and smoke grenade from Nigerian Cobra or other vehicles will block and blind the Ingwe guidance system to make it more useless than a bushman hunter's bow and arrow.

QUOTE :

"Despite their impressive capabilities, laser weapons do have some significant downsides. These can be taken advantage of to give the battlefield soldier a measure of defense against them. Because lasers are basically light, a number of everyday means can be used to diminish their effectiveness. Their performance can be significantly decreased or negated altogether by phenomena like fog, rain, snow, smoke, and so on, which can disperse or refract the weapon’s beam to ineffectualness, depending on how thick it is."

SANDF cannot fire one single Ingwe on Nigerian army, our infantry anti-tank guns have 7km range against Ingwe's 5km range.

Keep wasting your smoke blinded useless Ingwe missiles.

PHOTO : NIGERIAN ARMY STORMER APC FOR CARRYING SWINGFIRE MISSILES
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First, your anti-tank guns have a range of 1.5km

Second, how will your tank crews know to fire smoke cover if they dont know they are being targetted?

Third, the Ingwe is seeing massive international sales. The Swingfire is not.

Swing-fire is obsolete... the people who make them no loger use them

agaugust:
Ingwe gets defeated by smoke grenades blocking off it's laser guidance system and thus disable the Ingwe missile.

Nigeria too anti-tank missiles called Swingfire, launched by our Stormer APCs

The swingfire is wire guided and swings around to confuse the enemy, it cannot be blocked by smoke

Nigerian army will roast SANDF rag tag hollywood photos-only army like suya meat
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How does the gunner land the missile on target if he cannot see the target because of smoke?

People are getting rid of wire guided for a reason

agaugust:
Source of above story is South African, your usual war propaganda lies.

Post us insider source from independent United Nations MONUSCO and FIB that own and led the whoe war in Congo DRC against M23.

The whole world defeated M23 rebel

You are a glory stealing Jankoriko
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Did the whole world fight in the FIB?

Yes or no

mechansised, motorized infantry to follow on a later date.

So now armor is sorted out.

You have two BCT's, totaling:

104 upgraded-T54/55
104 upgraded-Vickers (immediate replacement planned)
208 ZBD-97's (replacing 208 Saur 4K 4FA's)
52 VBLS (28 per BCT).

In the process you will have cut two vehicles from service straight away (FV101 Scorpion and FV107 Scimitar)

And, since only BTC's will use tracked IFV's and the pre-existing VBL for recon you can also begin decommissioning: MT-LB, Ferret and Fox

Thus, you will have cut a total of 5 vehicle types from service immediately with a 6th and 7th (Saur 4K 4FA, Vickers MBT) to be decommissioned as ZBD's and dynasty MBT's are delivered.

This means that Nigeria will have a rapidly modernizing, streamlined and independent armored formation.

Now, comes the surgery.

The armored BCT's will require a heavy, tracked IFV/APC hybrid that will be acquired solely with the intention of providing organic infantry support.

Essentially, they are only used when the tanks are used.

Luckily, the acquisition here is pretty glaringly obvious: The Chinese ZBD-97
- amphibious
- room for 7 infantry
- armament includes: organic 100 mm gun/30 mm autocannon or RCS 30 mm/12.7 mm autocannon
- can fire atgm's
Planned acquisition is of 208

In the meantime, the Saurer 4K 4FA will be transferred to the BCT's, pending replacement and relegation to reserve, second line units and finally, mothballing. Note: that only 208 are required

Now we need to consider recon... organic recon elements for the BCTs

Nigeria has the FV101 Scorpion and FV107 Scimitar in this role. Both are to be decommissioned.

They will be replaced by the VBL RECO in a reconnaissance configuration.

VBL is the obvious choice due to
- superior speed, maneuverability and better stealth
- amphibious.
- pre-existing recon configuration

The VBL will now form the dedicated recon vehicle of the Nigerian military as a whole (this will result in a probable need for further acquisitions)

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So lets talk armor now.


Nigeria seems to have an armoured division.

But these are old and outdated and extremely cumbersome in the modern battle-space

The modern trend is a move towards independent Brigade Combat Teams

A BCT is composed of:
- 2 Combined Arms Battalions
- Each Battalion has:
- 2 tank companies of 14 tanks each
- 2 mechanized infantry companies with 14 IFVs each

Meaning that the total armored strength of a BCT is: 104 MBT's and 104 IFV's

Nigeria's current (ball-park figures) tank strength is:
- 50 T54/55's
- 108 Vickers MBT's
- 16 AMX's

So, current Nigerian armored strength suggests that the army could feild one full-strength BCT and one under-strength BCT. But the armor in both would be a mix of various MBT's.

So, assuming the goal of the Nigerian Army is to move towards the BCT and maintain a feild strength of two BCT's the move forward is simple:

- Keep the AMX's as training units at tank school

Now, the answer to the question of the armor is controversial... but here it is:

- Place and order for 58 new T54/55's to form a T54/55 BCT
- Keep the Vickers (short term) to form the second BCT

Now here is the magic part.

When ordering the T54/55 and order is to be made with either the Ukraine or Serbia for the T-55AGM or M-55S upgrade kits respectively. The upgrades are to be done domestically, while at the same time, resources are to be allocated to an indigenous development for an upgrade package for the Vickers - using techonlogy transfers, infrastructure and skills learnt from the T54/55 upgrade

This sorts out the short-mid term goals for the Nigerian Heavy armor.

The long term objective is the acquisition of a 4th Generation MBT to for Nigeria's Dynasty MBT - a vehical that will see service for the next 40-50 years. While vehicals like the T-84, T-90, Type 90, Type 98/99 may seem impressive now, it is important to note that their current capabilities are at their highest, they have been maxed out... maximum utility has been achieved. There is not much more room for organic improvement.

Here there is only really one contender that is not astronomically expensive. The Chinese Main Battle Tank 3000.

What makes it especially good is that it is designed with export in mind... meaning that its cost will not be astronomical... maximum bang for your buck.

Furthermore, Nigeria has good relations with China with regards to weapons acquisitions.

Henry120:
3 different MRAPs?
5 different armoured cars?
Please Name them?

23 different models of armored vehicles (from heavy to light) according to most sources

Henry120:
There is no evidence to show that, the video was shot in Nigeria.

I live in Nigeria, so I would know Nigeria when I see it.

The evidence is that it is in Nigeria

Have you ever considered that your government is hiding BH victories from the general population?

agaugust:
That's no ordinary rocket, it is most likely a guided missile, it flew horizontally meaning it's controlled to a landing point.

If it is vertical (then returns down by parachute to same launch pad) or parabolic, I will say it could easily be unguided rocket.

Epe rocket project base has always been in a town with people, desire for secrecy is making the government move it to an Island, Epe is a coastal town

http://www.theguardianmobile.com/readNewsItem1.php?nid=17349

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What is this rubbish?

"Most likely"

lol, more flights of fancy from augbugug

agaugust:
Small land mines only, bigger mines will tear your Ratel into pieces, Ratel is NOT an MRAP .

Nigerian Cobras too have protection against land mines.

Don't compare your ancient 1980s outdated Ratel with our year 2008 Cobra.

Your Ratel cannot even swim across a small river, SANDF is outdated and lacks all terrain armoured vehicles

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Cobra is a light recon vehical... last time it saw service it got wrecked.

Ratel can take bigger explosions than the Cobra.

agaugust:
[size=16pt]Mokopa Anti-Tank Missile 10km long range is useless :

South African air force chief confesses to Defenceweb in Johannesburg [/size]


Denel’s Mokopa PGM ready for market

Written by Leon Engelbrecht, Wednesday, 26 January 2011

"This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject, he saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. “Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced. Many armies are not yet confident enough to use such a weapon. The Ingwe is still very much on the sweet spot for most applications,” he said. "

[size=16pt]SAAF confirms Mokopa missile is useless

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No, he said most other militarys who cannot yet confidently use the weapon at its maximum range


He is talking about sales to lesser militarys

You joker.

You clown

Henry120:
I have provided evidence of Nigerian Military Data links. You haven't.

Your defence minister specifically said your troops lack tents in the DRC. I've only been quoting her.

Multiple sources have been provided to show that you lack aviation fuel. The last article was dated 10 October 2014.

Nothing old.

Continue laughing in algeria, it hasn't bought you any mokopa missiles, neither have any magically appeared.

Janes defence still reports your defence force as been too broke to afford them.

Our minister said tents were lacking due to supply issues - last year
We just posted a source that says we flew 18 000 hours, with 22 000 hours budgeted - this means we have a fuel surplus

Dude, what is wrong with you?

Henry120:
You have no aviation fuel
No tents for troops in the DRC
No evidence of data links
No mokopa

Et al

You have no aviation fuel - 18 000 hours flown, 50 hours per day, every day
No tents for troops in the DRC - for a breif period of time, and it was a supply issue
No evidence of data links - multiple sources detailing LinkZA have been posted
No mokopa - We can have them in service in days, if we need them

Henry120:
What do you mean by we, who are the we

The only thing you were doing was serving tea,
Screaming yes massa,
And working as gardeners.

South Africa has been doing exactly what he says they were.

agaugust:
All your Ratels will be destroyed by Nigerian army Motorized Infantry 7km range recoilless anti-tank guns, you won't even get a chance to launch one single Ingwe missile before you get deleted

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Effective firing range of the M40 is only 1,3km

Clown

agaugust:
Same way all SANDF Ratels and Rooikats won't stand landmines

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The are designed specifically to do that

agaugust:
SANDF Ratel is a 1980s IFV

Nigerian army BTR-3U is a year 2000 era IFV

You drunk with local gin ?
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You only have a handfull... and the Badger enters service next year... so we will have our 2015 IFV

agaugust:
Show us radar made in south Africa.

Nigeria has acquired technology to build ICBM from North Korea

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Show us radar that is not built in South Africa

Show us North Korean ICBM technology in Nigeria

agaugust:
Mokopa is actually the worst anti-tank missile ever made, the 10km range is useless because it goes over the horizon, so useless that South Africa that manufactured it has REFUSED to buy it, especially with SANDF now broke, why buy a useless missile with bank loans ?

SAAF chief of staff used his own mouth on Defenceweb magazine to kill the Mokopa ATGM....call it homicide

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Range UP TO 10km..

Not 10km ONLY range

you are a complete and utter slowpoke.

Henry120:
Sharap.

You got no money to pay for anything. You can't afford common Aviation fuel or common tents, how do you now somehow think you can procure missiles?

You didnt read the new budget allocations?

You didnt read the fact that we have enough money for 22 000 hours in sky every year?

Go trade petty insults with the other children on the street corner.

agaugust:
Mokopa missile is NOT in service with SAAF.

Mokopa has been rejected by SAAF because the 10km range is useless, too long for real battlefield realities according to your country's air force chief.

DENEL is a foolish weapons developer, I have always warned you South Africans that too long range is useless on real life battlefield practically, you won't see the enemy target.

Mokopa missile na wash, so your air force refused to buy the homemade wash !

Rooivalk helicopter has NO SINGLE guided weapon, it has ended it's career as a 1960s generation attack helicopter with world war II level of weaponry, Rooivalk too na wash !
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Again.

Are you seriously saying that the Makopa can only engage targets that are exactly 10km away?

Not 8km? 9km? 4km?

I think you should take a break from posting for a while.

agaugust:
NA Cobra, VBL, BTR-3U are more modern than SANDF 1980s Ratels, 1990s Rooikats.

SANDF is a dry land only army 'standardized' to fight only at home on very dry and easy terrain
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NA Cobra - not effective in conventional warfare as an offensive weapon and is a scout car
VBL - not effective in conventional warfare as an offensive weapon and is a scout car
BTR-3U - only have 47


MPLA and the Cubans had battalions of amphibious vehicals.... and yet our dry land only army out-maneuvered them and destroyed them in every battle

Explan that

agaugust:
We are not interested in ancient wars where 95% of those who fought are dead, retired, kicked out by ANC, or run away to Australia before Zulu revenge slices their throats.

Current war 2014, Nigeria is fighting alone with over 30,000 soldiers, batalions of tanks, APC, IFV, artillery, jet fighters, helicopter gunships, ISTAR aircraft, spy balloons, satellites, automatic grenade launchers, mortars, etc.

Show we where South African military is being tested to that level today 2014.

Your SANDF na photographic wash, your inexperienced HIV consumed army na wash! SANDF has 20 battalions of HIV battered and shattered half-dead soldiers, your military demo photos on Nairaland na wash, just trying to be posh, but SANDF na wash !
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Strange then that with "30,000 soldiers, batalions of tanks, APC, IFV, artillery, jet fighters, helicopter gunships, ISTAR aircraft, spy balloons, satellites, automatic grenade launchers, mortars, etc."


All you have tasted is defeat- boko haram captures town after town.

You have failed your test.

And finally, we are talking about institutional experience here - knowledge passed on from soldier to soldier through training.

That is the difference between the NA and the SANDF - training

Henry120:
INFRASTRUCTURE"....... dummy.

I've shown the infrastructure to prove beyond all "dummy" doubt that nigeria has active and operational data links.

Seems your own "dummyness" is a more critical case.

I posted photos of the air assets
Ground station
Sea assets, and including personnel.


Show that to us.

We have posted links clearly outlining LinkZA on multiple occasions.

You have yet to even show us a single link.

Tell me, what is the name of Nigeria's supposed data-link?

You do know its name right?

agaugust:
South Africa does NOT manufactur radar, you import from Europe.

South African local defense industry is 95% European companies' branches on your land.

SA claims of local weapons manufacturing na wash, all na wash, the brains and equipment, technologies and companies behind it all are European white masters ruling your economy 2014.

All na wash, Soweto just trying to be posh ! Proved !
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OK, Augubugugugu


You have said this many times.


But, now its time to show us proof.

Until then, this is simply the emotional posting of a man who just found out that the IGIRIRIugugubgugu is more South African than Nigerian

Henry120:
Oh you bloody fool, that is the infrastructure to show that Data links exist. We haven't seen any with south-Efrica.


I hope you choke on that food.

What you have seen was multiple sources that clearly say we have one.

You are unable to show us a single one

agaugust:
Is South Africa at war with Nigeria or Ukraine today?

Try sink Ukranian shipload of arms and see how Ukraine will use South Africa for shooting practice, their anger with Russia will be diverted against your country .

Anyway last news on T-84 OPLOT-M tanks about to be shipped from Ukraine to Nigeria was by air, they were parked on the airport grounds.

You are just high on alcoholic koeldrank as usual
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Ukraine cannot even defeat a bunch of rebels... they wouldent stand a chance against us.

There is no news about T-84's from any known respected source

Hence, you are not getting T-84's

agaugust:
Nigeria too has secret missiles at Epe project Island which our government owns and can use in war
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No you dont