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Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:43pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: You how do you think? assume the pirate ship is stuck dead in the middle of the ocean waiting for you? Fool.

Now I see that the whole of South Africa has NO idea of how pirates operate and where they speed off to after a criminal operation.

SAN is a novice- rookie, welcome to the school of anti-piracy ops, your school master is Mr.NN....Mr.Nigerian Navy !

https://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tag-reuters-6.jpeg
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Ok.

Explain this to me.

How do they "speed off" in a massive 300,000 tonne ship that can only move at 12 knots?

It seems that the Nigerian Navy has no idea what they are doing.

No wonder you are the worlds new piracy hotspot
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:30pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: South Africa could not patrol 20 thousand km sq Kruger park from land and air combined, you had to exile your Rhinos to Botswana.

Now you want to patrol 5 million km sq of sea. You need to replace your doctor with a psychiatrist very soon

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Guess what buddy

Since the SANDF deployed, despite the fact that their primary role is not AP duties, Rhino poaching rates have dropped.

Finally, do you want to discuss how well we have secured our borders? 18 000 illigal immigrants detained by just 11 Companies of men.

Make a real argument.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:28pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: Tanzanian army was leading you in the front so they died for you....your messiah !
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[citation needed]

Do you really feel no shame when you just lie on this forum for the sake of fuelling your obsession with South Africa?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:27pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: First you do NOT need data-link to guide artillery, how did coastal artillery work in World War II when data-link did not exist?

Artillery is guided by gunner calculated Azimuth co-ordinates NOT data-link, please go join a police thread, ignorance is a disease !

Second, carpet bombing is NOT done by precision guidance munitions, it is done by massive carpet spread over a point target by unguided free fall bombs. Your frigates are sitting ducks 5,000 km away from home with ZERO air cover ! You made a wrong voyage !

Third, 250,000 Nigerians is a equal to 300 Battalions of men with AK-47 rifles, you will have 1,000 times more trouble than you had with poachers you could not defeat in Kruger park.

International shipping route as I said, will mean you do not chase pirates that hijack ships and veer off the patrol routes, you just proved that you will never find or catch any pirates, you have no satellite, no MPA aircraft, and your best radar is only 180km range, so you will NEVER find or catch any pirate that is 200km away from your ship, and some pirates will surely be 500km away heading for Europe or South America !

You will just waste the fuel you are already short of in your country, South African navy will enter Guiness Book Of Records as the greatest Oliver Twist of Africa, begging for diesel in every sea port they find along their thirsty voyage grin grin

South Africa has ZERO experience of wide area anti-piracy operations !
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First you do NOT need data-link to guide artillery, how did coastal artillery work in World War II when data-link did not exist?

They fired at targets they could see.

Can you see 22km?

Artillery is guided by gunner calculated Azimuth co-ordinates NOT data-link, please go join a police thread, ignorance is a disease !

I know that

And does he just magically know the co-ords?

Some one has to tell him. And there are many links in the chain from the unit detecting the vessel to the gunners.

Data-links remove all the links in the chain, the batter commander can see exactly what the plane can

So, without a data-link, even if there is a 5 min delay between shot-correction. Every Single Shell Will Miss

Second, carpet bombing is NOT done by precision guidance munitions, it is done by massive carpet spread over a point target by unguided free fall bombs. Your frigates are sitting ducks 5,000 km away from home with ZERO air cover ! You made a wrong voyage !

Carpet bombing is done by strategic bombers.

Do you have strategic bombers?

Third, 250,000 Nigerians is a equal to 300 Battalions of men with AK-47 rifles, you will have 1,000 times more trouble than you had with poachers you could not defeat in Kruger park.

You are going to sneak 250 000 AK's plus ammo into South Africa?

you cant even get a handfull of your secret agents and a suitcase full of cash into the country without being busted by lowly CUSTOMS OFFICIALS grin grin

Seriously, this is the kind of stuff a 9 year old thinks of

International shipping route as I said, will mean you do not chase pirates that hijack ships and veer off the patrol routes, you just proved that you will never find or catch any pirates, you have no satellite, no MPA aircraft, and your best radar is only 180km range, so you will NEVER find or catch any pirate that is 200km away from your ship, and some pirates will surely be 500km away heading for Europe or South America !

Its called interdiction.

And catching the ship after the fact is easy:

How fast is a super-tanker full of oil?

How fast is a Valour Class frigate?

We can respond with ease

Game. Over cool
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:09pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120: Okay, I'm happy for you.
Nice counter-point.

grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:06pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120: I've countered this thing on many occasions, I'm pretty much exhausted.

I asked you a question, who's paying for the 12 MI-35 helicopters from belarus, Defenceweb?
Nope.

The information, from Reuters and the manufacturer, is pretty clear.

And clearly you arent paying for the 12, as your Air Force has not budgeted for them
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:03pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: we also have 250,000 Nigerians in South Africa living there, all we need is to give them one AK-47 rifle each and we turn your country into Somalia !
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And then we start supplying the 18 different rebel groups in your country with weapons.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:03pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: If ALL your 4 frigates and 3 submarines are sitting on Nigerian coast, the the 3,200 km long South African coastline is open for invasion at a surprise location at night
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What will you invade us with?

Who will invade us?
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:02pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust: No warship can survive 22km away from Nigerian coast, over 600 artillery guns guided by 50km range full coverage coastal TV cameras and 500km range coastal radars.....Nigerian coast in the most difficult to penetrate in Africa, any Navy on Nigeria's official 22km territorial waters will be mercilessly pounded with shelling to sea bottom in one day.

Your frigates also have to be reading for massive carpet bombing by 30 NAF jets at 12km altitude, every day till they sink.

If ALL your 4 frigates and 3 submarines are sitting on Nigerian coast, the the 3,200 km long South African coastline is open for invasion at a surprise location at night, we also have 250,000 Nigerians in South Africa living there, all we need is to give them one AK-47 rifle each and we turn your country into Somalia !
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First, you have no data-link to guide those guns, so no.

Second, you have no precision munitions to engage the Valour Class with at that hight, so no.

Third, Nigerians in South Africa dont stand a chance - we have gotten very good at killing them. So no.

And chances are, that your government will be all too happy to allow us into your waters.

And the death blow: International Shipping Lanes are in International waters
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:49pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120: Do you have brains in your skull at all? It is seemly difficult for you south-africans to think independently.
I am seeing insults

but no counter point.

Probably as you dont have one.

Enjoy your obsolete transports
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:47pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120: You are fond of propagating lies.

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:39pm On Oct 02, 2014
augugbgugu

You said submarines are bad at anti-piracy duties

Why then did china just send one to Somalia?

(((((KA-BOOOOOOOOOOM))))
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:34pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120: Dullness personified and owned.

Defenceweb is not a credible source by any account. We've proved this on many occasions.

I really want to tear this rubbish post to shreds, but it obviously ain't worth it.

So if the budget office, budgeted for 6 MI-35M helicopters, are the MI-171SH helicopters supposed to drop down from the heavens?

What about the 12 Up-graded MI-35 helicopters from belarus?


Classic olodo.
They sourced the artical from reuters, are reuters not reliable?

They quote the man building it for you, who says that the vast majority of the 40 are transports

The Arms market is not McDonalds... you dont get your purchase instantly.

Enjoy your 14 sh1t-teir helicopters
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:49pm On Sep 30, 2014
Henry120: You on the other hand, virtually have none. So we can't rate you based on the "None" you have.



40 + 12 = 52 helicopters in one fell swoop.
No, 40 ordered.

12 soon to be delivered.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:47pm On Sep 30, 2014

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:37pm On Sep 30, 2014
Henry120: You make comments without applying any form of thought process.

Let us look at your part of africa, Angola was riddled with a bloody 26 years Civil war, the DRC is africa's world war with over 4 million dead. There is also mozambique, another country riddled with civil wars, then there is the very unstable madagascar.

Your Aids riddled sh1thole south-africa, were 1 in 5 persons is a filthy dirty HIV carrier,with the highest rate of orphans in the world. A country were murder is the highest in the world with Crime and drugs part and parcel of everyday life.

Is this the stable part of Africa, Fool.
O look, a whole lot of butthurt and opinion

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:14pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: You mean like this ?

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Would you like a video?

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:11pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Rand is local currency SA prints at home, show us dollars/Euros that can buy Badger IFV and CRAM from Europe

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Literally the most asinine thing i have ever read in my life.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:10pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Just a taste of your own medicine....Like you always demand...
We can show you everything we claim to have.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:05pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Broke SANDF will receive NOTHING until year 2020 grin grin
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"I have nothing to counter with so I will hurl empty insults"

First badger enters service in 2015

CRAM systems come online not long after.

R4 and R5 upgrade has been underway for quite some time
Clown

Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:04pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Why did you not protect C.A.R when they needed you to wipe out Seleka ?

SANDF Cowards grin grin
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If they had signed an agreement with us and Parliament had allowed it we would have.

Sadly for Bozize, he only signed a training agreement.

We were never there to fight Seleka
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:03pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: My pleasure....

"By Ben Agande, Vanguard News on September 27, 2014.

About 1,200 Nigerian security personnel including members of the Armed Forces, the police and members of the Department of State Services, DSS, have so far left Abuja for anti-insurgent training in Russia."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/terrorism-1200-nigerian-security-personnel-leave-russia/

Nigeria has newly built up and trained over 20,000 new soldiers at home and overseas in the last 12 months

7th Division alone is a wholesale brand new assembled and trained.

Those guys are the ones that killed Shekau, killied over 2,000 Boko Haram fighters in one week, captured 3 Boko Haram APC in one week, captured almost 300 Boko Haram fighters in one week.

That is world class performance that South African army is still dreaming of tongue tongue
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So, Russia trained your men for you?

And provide a citation that you have trained 20 000 new men

Finally, I said show me an equal investment in human capital, not that you train... even the somali army train

killied over 2,000 Boko Haram fighters in one week, captured 3 Boko Haram APC in one week, captured almost 300 Boko Haram fighters in one week.

Yeah, and I am the king of france

#WeCanSeeThroughThePropaganda
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:56pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust:
SADF ceded the whole South African nation to ANC insurgents, some of whom were trained and financed by Nigeria
shocked shocked



[img]http://www.hist.umn.edu/hist1015/Stuff/SA%20&%20Mozambique/SA%20Umkhonto%20We%20Sizwe%20soldiers%20Apartheid%20the%20Facts%2098%20001.jpg[/img].

[img]http://4.bp..com/-9JyNaYWBGyw/UqfgTU1oGDI/AAAAAAAAXbI/Pnkc9Snd0O0/s1600/nelson+mandela+visits+nigeria.jpg[/img]

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Nigerias contiribution to the end of apartheid

- the Nigerian government issued more than 300 passports to South Africans seeking to travel abroad.
http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2008/may/261.html

- Sonny Okosun, a Nigerian musician, wrote the hit song "Fire in Soweto" in 1977 to commemorate the 1976 Soweto uprising against white-rule in South Africa.[3]

Thats it, some passports and a song

Well done.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:53pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: #ShowUs Proof Of Cash SANDF Is UsingTo Buy NewWeapons grin grin
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- The South African Army will soon start receiving its new Badger infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs)
- The SA Army Air Defence Artillery’s very short-range air defence (VSHORAD) Starstreak missile is one of the many pieces of equipment that our projects are yielding and is currently being used by the ADA [Air Defence Artillery] corps as we speak.
- Masondo said that work is underway on R4 upgrades for the Army as part of the African Warrior programme, but other equipment has also been upgraded including the Rooikat armoured vehicle, Olifant main battle tank and SS-77 7.62 mm machinegun.
- The SA Artillery Corps is also doing work on its G6 gun.
- Project Vistula aims to replace the Samil truck fleet and Project Sapula aims to replace the Casspir and Mamba armoured vehicle fleets.

- DefenceWeb
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:49pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: SADF ceded the whole South African nation to ANC insurgents, some of whom were trained and financed by Nigeria shocked shocked

[img]http://www.hist.umn.edu/hist1015/Stuff/SA%20&%20Mozambique/SA%20Umkhonto%20We%20Sizwe%20soldiers%20Apartheid%20the%20Facts%2098%20001.jpg[/img].

[img]http://4.bp..com/-9JyNaYWBGyw/UqfgTU1oGDI/AAAAAAAAXbI/Pnkc9Snd0O0/s1600/nelson+mandela+visits+nigeria.jpg[/img]

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Nigeria had nothing to do with it, Tanzania made a bigger contrinbution!!

And we didnt cede it, we had a democratic election.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:43pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Do you understand the situation in Nigeria? Local and foreign News media, NAF chief, Army chief, Government agencies, etc, all say Nigeria has received new 4th generation jet fighters and ordered modern tanks, you say it is a lie until they show you photos. Now you want to preach open falsehood about South African defense spending that has become frozen in long term storage and you ask us to please help agree with you by understanding South Africa? You must be in..sane.

#ShowUs Proof Of Cash SANDF Is UsingTo Buy NewWeapons grin grin
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1. Your government is renowned for propaganda
2. We just spent $400 million on training a single unit, so money is not an issue.
3. We just started production of hundreds of Badger IFV's as well as the A-darter
4. We have singned multiple aquisition contracts since the story ran that we are "broke"
4. We dont need many new weapons, as unlike you - we are properly equipped

We never said we had begun aquisitions. And nothing is in long term storage.

Our defence budget is bigger than yours. Our government has more revenues than yours. If we are broke, then you are under liquidation
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:38pm On Sep 30, 2014
ActivateKruger: Which one would you have preferred, we spend US$400million on training or buy 200 T-72 just to show you agububu that we not broke?
We have priorities.

Our equipment is good enough to get the job done.

This is what Nigerians dont understand, you can have the best peice of kit in the world, but if they guys using it are of low quality, its practically useless.

Example: Nigerian Navy crashing NNS Aradu over 7 times.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:34pm On Sep 30, 2014
ActivateKruger: The SANDF doesn't post pictures of deceased foes... Do you see dead pictures of M23 genarals? M23 rebels who were massacred by Rooivalk rockets?

See my foreign friend abububu, we the best military in sub_Africa so we have standards.
The word you are looking for is: Dignity
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:32pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: [size=14pt]

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One word only....BROKE !! grin grin

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The "broke" defence force that just spent R4 Billion training a couple thousand men?

The "broke" defence force that just extended our AP patroles to Nigerian waters?

Lol, ok.
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:28pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: [size=16pt]

Lies upon lies, all photos we see, show dead South African soldiers Seleka killed.

#ShowUs DeadBody Of OneSingle SelekaRebel KilledBy SANDF tongue tongue tongue

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#LudicrousDemands
Foreign AffairsRe: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:23pm On Sep 30, 2014
agaugust: Nope, 40 helicopters are coming from Russia ordered in July.....Nothing from Belarus at that time.

After that, we signed a new MOU with Russia for more weapons just last week http://allafrica.com/stories/201409260547.html

That means a totally new list of weapons is being prepared for Russia to supply to Nigeria from October.

This is the first order from Belarus in many years, and we just signed a military MOU with Belarus for massive aircraft supply to NAF.

Expect more Su-27/Su-30 Upgraded Flankers.

Nigerian military will dwarf South Africa, we already have almost 10 times more combat helicopters when all orders are delivered .

Go d.ie of envy by jumping into river Zambezi with a bag of cement tied to your neck shocked shocked shocked

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Lol

I will believe it when i see it

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