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ThaVluit:
Nairaland notice: Augububu will be 13 years old for the remainder of the afternoon.

lol

agaugust:
[size=16pt]SANDF....Most Foolish Military In Africa...[/size]

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How are we foolish?

Are you just going to come here and post petty insults?

Is that all you have left?

agaugust:
80% of SANDF jets, helicopters, ships, and submarines are NOT operational as at today, proved by your own country's insiders.

Butt hurt
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are you being serious?

How is that guy an insider? He has allready been forced to admit that he cannot prove what he is saying... remindes me of a certain Nigerian...

Fact of the matter is that the majority of our equipment is operational. And we can prove it, as it has been proven over and over and over.

agaugust:
There is NOTHING South Africa produces that Nigeria cannot get from China, Israel, India, Ukraine, Russia...cheaper and better.

You have lost a major potential arms deal by your foolishness, Nigeria has signed a new ALL ASPECTS weapons deal with Russia...

South Africa is the loser, big loser, you should have allowed Nigeria to test your weapons against Boko Haram and help you market them worldwide as battle tested weapons, but your backward thinking has made you forget how the game of marketing by evidence works.

Nation of ANC fools

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/

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you realize that we are in the worlds top 20 weapons sellers?

If there is anything we are good at... its selling arms.

Plus, you cannot really afford our "un-tested" weapons.

Henry120:
Aren't there multiply races in south-africa? Aren't you the rainbow nation?

Nope, all you do is sit around, lazing all over the place claiming Nigerians are taking your women and jobs.

85% of black south-africans live in poverty. Fact.

First, the only things Nigerians in South Africa are doing is fulling up our prison cells and "swallowing" our bullets

Second, why are you bringing race into the topic? Trying to muddy the waters? Derail the argument?

Henry120:
After you've fully recovered from your breakdown.

Stop slinging insults and answer the question

Henry120:
85% of black south-africans live in poverty. Fact.

Poverty levels dropped in South Africa between 2006 and 2011, reaching a low of 20.2% for extreme poverty and of 45.5% for moderate poverty, according to the Poverty Trends in South Africa report released by Statistics SA on Thursday.

Read more: http://www.southafrica.info/about/social/poverty-040414.htm#.VDZ8tfmSySo#ixzz3FeL07MkQ

So that is not near 85%

So tell me, are you a liar or simply delusional?

While in comparison:

The National Bureau of Statistics said 60.9% of Nigerians in 2010 were living in "absolute poverty" - this figure had risen from 54.7% in 2004.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-17015873

GreenandGold:
MONUSCO is not the FIB, MONUSCO is peace keeping then the FIB did the combat of DRC... South Africa killed the M23 bosses and killed and scarted the boys with her powerful Rooivalks.


The glory belongs to South Africa and her home made weapons.

I realized today that augugbugugug does not understand MONUSCO or the FIB, their mandates, their ROE or their operations.

As usual he is flapping his gums over matters he knows little about

agaugust:
Every front Every where !

You South Africans are glory thieves. United Nations takes 100% glory for the whole mission of MONUSCO and FIB.

Tanzanian army takes 50% glory for FIB war in Congo.

Malawian army takes 30% glory

South African army takes 20% glory.

A leader is the brain behind the success of the team he led with his own brain.

http://monusco.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?ctl=Details&tabid=10662&mid=14594&ItemID=20029

https://pulitzercenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/overlay/public/10-30-13/dsc07642.jpg

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Your citation says absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims.

Please answer his question.

And please provide proof that the Tanzanians did the majority of the fighting.

agaugust:
Go search for sources and disprove any claims here, especially neutral sources, not South African propaganda sources.

As for your witchcraft threat, the God of Adeboye and Obadare will roast both you and your witches alive with fire and brimstone in Jesus name amen !
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Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary", is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

No one is going to bother writing an artical on how the Cubans never "popped up behind us and showered us with hot pepper"

Pathetic.

You made a claim.

We called you out on it.

Now show it. Or admit you have no proof.

agaugust:
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#All SouthAfricans Learn Your Lesson, Don't Criticize ThoseWho DoWhatYou CannotDo
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You are right

- Mutiny
- lose town after town
- commit war-crimes
- desert
- refuse to return to the front
- sell weapons to the enemy
- shoot at commanders
- blow up ships
- top the world piracy rankings
- top the world terror rankings
- lose jets

You are absolutely right, we couldent do any of that if we tried

Reminder: In the last 18 months South Africa has vanquished no less than 2 rebel groups
Nigeria has yet to defeat one in the last 20 years.

agaugust:
You do not know your own South African history about Korean war, I had to post the battle failures for you above. If you knew it, you would have avoided mentioning it like you avoided Bangui battle with Seleka.


Overall on this forum/topic, Nigerians finally win on facts and figures from page 1 of this thread to this present page.


It is a clear VICTORY for team Nigeria

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OH MY GAWD THE IRONY

This post coming from the guy who has an allmost infinite claim of things he cannot prove!!!

- Tucano's
- T-72's
- T-84 oplots
- Otomat Mk2's
- JF-17's
- FREAKING FH-77B L52 (one of my favorites)
- Su-30's
- That blatant VIP transport which he calls an ISTAR asset

Good lord.

And lets not even mention all the things he says as fact... and yet cant prove.

agaugust:
I have told you I will NOT waste my time repeating same old posts that are already available on this forum from past arguments. Also, I won't be an agent of google search for any stupiid South African. Then I won't waste my time with liars, see what happened above on this page, I spent 2 hours of my precious time replying your posts with sources last night, I proved everything and you still replied...."Show us proof again".

Look dude, I don't get paid salary on Nairaland, I have already learnt to ignore many South African comments because you guys lose an argument when we show prove, and then you still ask for proof, and keep asking again for the same proof to be repeated for you, why don't you also spend your own time to google facts and counter our comments ? Am I your employee under your command?

See, I don't care how many lies you South Africans tell here, the Nigerians/Kenyans reading this blog knows who is posting facts even if you dispute it.

Go search for sources and disprove any claims here, especially neutral sources, not South African propaganda sources.

As for your witchcraft threat, the God of Adeboye and Obadare will roast both you and your witches alive with fire and brimstone in Jesus name amen !
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Sulking because he cannot find a citation to show that the cubans "popped up behind us and showered us with hot pepper"

You cant talk your way out it augugubgugug... I guess you will have to employ plan B: SULK

Henry120:
You'll give me an A+ in deception, when i have constantly said things the way they are. Are you allergic to the truth?

How about Patches689 and MikeZA who are serial, un-apologetic liars, what score would you give them?


Make no mistake, the nigerian army in the past weeks has totally decimated the enemy.

In konduga the Army killed over 1150 boko-haram insurgents in 4 days of figthing.

The army launched a multi-thronged attack on the enemy both day and night in Michika and bazza killing over 400 of them.

The army also killed a known terrorist impostor in konduga (bashir mohammed).

This is the narrative.

This is the ramblings of a madman

agaugust:
Final air combat was done by South Africa, Ukraine and India, the latter two are not FIB members. Tanzania led the final ground assault with planning input from Brazil as overall commander.

The other countries in the UN mission provided garrison and back up to the 3 frontliners, if there was no garrison, M23 rebels will pop up behind the frontline FIB and show you the hot pepper Cuba showed South Africa in Angola.

In war, armies have van-guard, flank-guard, rear-guard, and garrison to hold positions fixed.

The Congo war involved all these countries in various roles mentioned above, 20,000 soldiers and combat helicopters from.....

Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Benin, Bolivia, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Egypt, France, Ghana, Guatemala, Guinea, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Mongolia, Morocco, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Serbia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, United States, Uruguay, Yemen and Zambia.

All under United Nations command led by Brazil. Let this be the last time this matter will be treated here.

Stop claiming Congo DRC war as a South African achievement for the sake of morality and common sense !!!!

https://faridabadmetro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/faridabad_news_metro_august_3_2012_Indian_Peacekeepers_in_Congo3.jpg

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Dude, are you being serious?

First, dont lecture me about tactics and strategry... if it wasnt for me you would have no idea what schwerpunkt and deep penetration operations were.

Second, you are not differentiating between defensive operations taken up against M23 (which largely failed) and offensive operations against the M23 (which only the FIB was madated to take part in)

Third, those 20 000 men are spread out across a country the size of western europe. And none have the mandate for offensive operations against the M23 or other groups. And most werent even in East Kivu at all!!

Finally, you gunna have to back your BS up with citations. Show us that Tanzania saw more combat than us

We contributed the most troops and equipment.

We get the lions share of the glory

agaugust:
"According to the UN Korean War Allied Association, a total of 826 South Africans served in the Korean War. 243 were Air Force officers and 545 were Ground Personnel. 38 army officers and men served as part of the first Commonwealth Division. 37 South Africans gave their lives. 11 South Africans are interred at the UNMCK in Busan. Eight prisoners of war were returned. Aircraft losses amounted to 74 out of 97 Mustangs and 4 out of 22 Sabres."

http://www.southafrica-embassy.or/eng/sankorea/korean_war.php

proved, South African air force lost about 70% of the American donated fighter aircraft s.hot down by North Korean army, SAAF perfomance in Korean war is part of your traditional history of military failures, the list is very long.
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Ok, you wanna talk stats, lets talk stats.

We lost 76% of the Mustangs we deployed... that is to be expected considering we were flying propellor driven arifcraft against enemy jet-aircraft

Once we were equipped with modern Jet aircraft (hello you sex.y sabre) our losses dropped down to 18% - because we had the right equipment for the job.

You say it was a failure?

The President of the United states says otherwise - or else we would not have gotten a presidential unit citation
The President of Korea says otherwise - or else we would not have gotten a presidential unit citation from him as well.


We also had the most dangerous job - and we were the best at it

The SAAF pilots made a significant contribution towards the development of the Fifth Air Force's 'Truckbusting' techniques and on 4 April 1951 the Commander of the Fifth Air Force, Lt Gen E.E. Partridge, singled out 2 Sqn SAAF during the UNC morning briefing as the most efficient unit at seeking out and destroying camouflaged enemy vehicles
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol063dm.html

We accounted for 23% of the UN's total kills on enemy ground forces (same citation)

Not to mention we were more professional than the americans

Once again the SAAF proved its worth. Serviceability in 2 Squadron was better than that of the other three USAF squadrons in the wing
http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/history/saaf/korea

Conclusion: We kicked allot of a.s.s in korea

Take your simpleton arguments elsewhere

agaugust:
The 300,000 Russian servicemen, were they soldiers that fought South Africa's 4,000 man army inside Angola?

I take it you don't know what that weblink story was saying due to poor comprehension on your part.

4,000 South African Soldiers will fight 300,000 Russian + 50,000 Cuban soldiers for 15 years and South African army will survive that?

Did your 250 SANDF men survive beyond 13 hours against 1,500 Seleka men?

When a weblink story is ridiculous, I ignore it. Somebody wrote a story on internet does not make it true, internet is a free zone for anyone who can post there like you SA guys pump lies into Nairaland forums.

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You are the one with poor comprehension.

It says 500, 000 between 1975 and 1989

So that is an average of 35 000 per year

And you cannot compare the border war to the CAR.

With regards to the source, its from Pravda - making it pretty much indisputable.

So, you asked for proof we fought the Russians. It has been posted.

agaugust:
Experience don't count for war you say, because South African military has almost ZERO experience today.

What if it was the other way round, and Nigerian military is the one with ZERO experience while South Africa has all experience, will you still come here and say experience does not count in war? Be honest with yourself.

America deployed 2.5 million soldiers to Vietnam war and the war ended about 15 years before Gulf war, this is in response to the bolded part of your comment above. http://www.statisticbrain.com/vietnam-war-statistics/

Please stop posting false information from your private mind here, do a simple google search before you type on your laptop, we don't want to eat your lies for dinner
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So 5 years makes a 100% difference?

Lol ok.

lezz:
correct! But the US army has never really been inactive since world war 2. With all their peace keeping and intervention operations across the world..

Same with South Africa

agaugust:
United Nations military force of over 12 countries defeated M23 rebels in Congo, and Tanzanian army commanded and led South African army into battle.
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Actually.

M23 were only engaged offensively by the FIB

FIB is composed of 3 Nations

South Africa is the biggest contributor to the formation.

Is interesting how you can just tell lies, because you dont want to debate who is stronger, you just want to fuel your obsessive lies about RSA. Which shows me that you know we are stronger.

agaugust:
NOPE, YOU PROVE YOUR CLAIMS WITH HISTORICAL FACTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba almost defeated South Africa and you ran to UN for mediation and peace negotiations to settle the war on a round table talk party.

Korea, South Africa only fought visibly in the air with American donated warplanes and 70% of them were sh.ot down by North Korea, SADF wasted almost all the fighter planes America gave you.

Soviet Bloc countries? When did South Africa fight USSR? The fact that your country still exists today proves you never challenged Soviet Union.

Angola-Mozambique, the armies of MPLA and FRELIMO you fought against are now ruling those countries because SADF failed to crush them, so South Africa lost as usual.

Your list surprisingly avoids C.A.R Seleka rebels, you swept that under the carpet because you don't want this forum to humiliate South African army again for your loss to illiterate farmer and teenage rebels who now use captured South African equipment as their own without paying you for transfer of ownership because SANDF ran away in broad daylight.

The whole history of South African military has ZERO record of victory, it's all stalemate or defeat....and you do NOT qualify to judge Nigerian army or even that of Kenya.

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[size=15pt]LIES, LIES and MORE LIES[/size]


Cuba almost defeated South Africa and you ran to UN for mediation and peace negotiations to settle the war on a round table talk party.

Cuba never came close to defeating us.

If they didnt win a single battle... in the whole war... against only a fraction of our army... how did they allmost defeat us?

And we enforced our terms on them

Korea, South Africa only fought visibly in the air with American donated warplanes and 70% of them were sh.ot down by North Korea, SADF wasted almost all the fighter planes America gave you.

Where does it say we lost 70%? Just another imaginary fact from a man who was fooled by internet rusemasters!!!

We also acheived a US Presidential Unit Citation (one of only a handfull of non american units to get that award)
We also acheived a Korean Presidential Unit Citation.

And the USAF unit we were attached to now sings our National Anthem during their parades.

Beat that.

#Wrecked

Soviet Bloc countries? When did South Africa fight USSR? The fact that your country still exists today proves you never challenged Soviet Union.

Soviets in Angola during the war:

According to the Russian Union of Veterans of Angola, nearly 300,000 servicemen and 50,000 civilians had lived and worked in Angola from 1975 to 1989.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/africa/19-03-2012/120826-angola-0/

Afghanistan fought Russia.... their country still exists

Angola-Mozambique, the armies of MPLA and FRELIMO you fought against are now ruling those countries because SADF failed to crush them, so South Africa lost as usual.

Never was our objective to crush them.

So you dont know what you are talking about as usual

Coming from a nation that has never fought in an advanced conventional war... i find your comments not only to be wrong, but hilarious.

[quote author=agaugust post=26858422][/quote]"Its true because I want it to be"

Prove that he is who he says he is.

Simple request

agaugust:
Saddam held Iran to a draw in an 8 year war.

Saddam lost 2 wars against the whole world led by mighty America/NATO, even South Africa's Military Academy trained Generals will lose same battle in one day with your pack of cowards that run from Seleka and get robbed of their weapons by hooligans in Sudan


Nope, Eben has dozens of comments on Beegeagle, you want me to search 4 years of individual posts on a blog that has 3 million hits?

Sorry you have to be craaaazy all alone, I won't join you, you go read through the whole blog, I have proved Colonel Eben comments there, and this final one is enough proof....

http://beegeagle./2014/03/01/nigerian-troops-kill-13-boko-haram-terrorists-arrest-15-others-in-raid-on-camp/

Now listen up dude, there are many things you ask and I don't bother to prove to you, not because there is no proof, but because sometimes I realize you are not worth all the time and effort, a fool will always be a fool, there is no medical cure for it

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No, Saddam flat out lost the war against Iran, despite having the whole world supporting him.

Nope, Eben has dozens of comments on Beegeagle, you want me to search 4 years of individual posts on a blog that has 3 million hits?

Sorry you have to be craaaazy all alone, I won't join you, you go read through the whole blog, I have proved Colonel Eben comments there, and this final one is enough proof....

Hey clown, re-read my first post.

You cannot prove he is who he says he is. So you dont actually have any verifiable proof at all. Thus, yet again, you have been making baseless claims.

Simple.
As.
That.

agaugust:
Then ask SANDF to go find your long list of MISSING jets and AAA gunfire downed jets, as well as the ones that collided in mid air during training, your history in SAAF is worse than that of Nigeria.....Fool

23rd November 1993
SAAF Mirage F.1AZ 234 1 Sqn at Hoedspruit Crashed into the Atlantic Ocean 50 miles

south south west of Cape Point Cpt.
Louis Joubert managed to eject in level attituted 330ft., 500kt. Lost presumed drowned

....And the South African air force crash+missing+lost forever list is endlessly long....

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/South_Africa.htm

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So a man crashed into the ocean 100km off the coast
And you are surprised that they didnt find his body?

He didnt crash INSIDE SOUTH AFRICA ON DRY LAND

agaugust:
http://beegeagle./2014/05/14/cnn-special-nigerians-right-to-be-wary-of-u-s-intentions-beegeagle-bares-his-mind-to-cnn/

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Are you for real?

There is no mention at all of begugugug being in CNN in that link

agaugust:
No South African has the brain to create an equal to Nairaland, so you all flock here like lost sheep to be shepherded by a Nigerian Oluwaseun Osewa the creator of Nairaland....Brainless 50 million South Africans with ZERO creativity.
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Could you be any more off-topic?

agaugust:
Beegeagle is a military genius. Saddam Hussein has ZERO military training or experience, he is a Civilian.

Many civilians have led wars that defeated Military Generals.

A genius is a genius, envy him if you wish. Nigerian military recognizes Beegeagle as a rare breed genius. You have no such person in South Africa today....envy Beegeagle as much as you want. No South African has the brain to create an equal to Nairaland, so you all flock here like lost sheep to be shepherded by a Nigerian Oluwaseun Osewa the creator of Nairaland....Brainless 50 million South Africans with ZERO creativity.

http://beegeagle./2012/07/15/attention-sss-former-mercenary-signs-850-million-nigerian-oil-deal/

http://beegeagle./2014/05/14/cnn-special-nigerians-right-to-be-wary-of-u-s-intentions-beegeagle-bares-his-mind-to-cnn/

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HAHAHAHA!!!

And what did Saddam Hussein acheive for Iraq? He lost 3 wars!

And again, you have no idea of the complexity of the aquisition of new equipment. Doctrinal studies, logistical studies, inter-operatability studies all need to be done before you can even begin to look at assets.

I sincerely hope your military does not rely on begugugug for inspiration... as if they do, then that is utterly humiliating.

And well done, someone wrote their name as Eben... and now you want us to beleive this is some Col Eben? This is your proof?

What a joke.

Hold on, i am going to go create an account and call myself "Petraeus" and say "well done" so that you can say that Begugugugug is a friend with General Petraeus

You said you can confirm it.

So confirm it.

agaugust:
When did Twitter tweets by an UNKNOWN INDIVIDUAL become a valid source of military information?

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How is a blog run by an UNKOWN INDIVIDUAL become a valid source of military information?

agaugust:
His blog is used by Nigerian military and his recommendations are accepted by Nigerian military top brass who meet him face to face.

South African Colonel Eben Barlow is Beegeagle's friend confirmed.

The twitter guy is an unrecognized stranger with no track record, just like you, birds of the same feather
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First, if your military takes the advice of a blogist whom has no military experince or no staff college training, then that is pathetic. Seriously, do you have any idea how complex the decision on what equipment to aquire is?

and second, if you say Col Barlow is confirmed friend of Beegeagle, then you wont mind confirming it for us with proof.

Put your money where your mouth is.

agaugust: Rats invade South Africa? This is where they need poachers o! Rat poachers please go rescue South Africa and use their surplus rat meat to bake Rat-Meat-Burgers for the poor hungry blacks in Soweto !

https://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ratburger.jpg

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South Africans are better fed than Nigerians
http://foodsecurityindex.eiu.com/

Half a sentence and a citation

agaugust: South African economy is no longer ruled by Boer-Whitemen alone, Russia-France-China are now joint rulers sucking South Africa's wealth dry
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Shell and Sasol arent Chinese

http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-south-africa-allow-shale-gas-fracking-in-the-karoo/5373315

Half a sentence and a citation