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agaugust: You already came twice, what did you do? You ran away on both occassions. First 2011 South African navy sailed SAS Drakensberg with combat helicopters and special forces to Ivory Coast while NAF jets were in Abidjan, we used one phone call to scare your big warship away in one day

Second time South African army came to C.A.R. Bangui just beside Cameroon Nigeria's immediate neighbour, how did it end? Your fancy uniform army got bruised battered and chased to the nearest airport to catch the next available flight back home.

Third time is next year, if you have enough diesel by then, we will hear another funny story again about why you fail on military mission. Born nation of cowards
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Not worth responding to

AugustineAgain: Go read war history and calculate how many British-American navy warships and vessels were sunk by German army coastal artillery during invasion of France at Normandy.

You seem to be better on a Police Vs Robbers thread, we might soon create one for you....Domingo Durango

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Direct fire

Not area effect

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AugustineAgain: Current SIPRI records end on December 31, 2013....you dummy

All Nigerian weapons and equipment ordered or received from January 1, 2014 till today are NOT recorded by SIPRI, or you see Big Foot MRAP, Spartan APC, Mi-35M Hind E, etc on SIPRI outdated database?

Keep ranting, it's fun to see you kolomental about Nigeria
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So in other words you have no real proof apart from a handfull of pics of the Spartan?

Cool story

AugustineAgain: your blind eyes just opened to see reality of how West African ocean is BEYOND the reach of South African navy operations....truth hurts


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So lets get this straight

We have the range

we have the ability to re-fuel at sea

and yet we cannot reach it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

At this point your argument is "Its true because I say so!!"

Pathetic sub-human

AugustineAgain post=/post/26832183:
Really? You have started eating your own words now when you saw proof that you will need help from Nigeria, so you will now be in Angola and Namibia alone, your blind eyes just opened to see reality of how West African ocean is BEYOND the reach of South African navy operations....truth hurts




No longer at ease. Things fall apart

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Truth is that we will be patrolling waters 2000 miles away from home.

Can you say the same?

AugustineAgain post=/post/26832070:
NATO has many countries naval fleets also in Somalia waters, they saturated the place with several aircraft carriers, loaded with jet fighters, helicopters, maritime patrol aircraft, carrier borne speed boats, frigates, corvettes, submarines, oil tankers, suppy ships, replenishment ships, everything a super power navy has was deployed by America, Europe, Saudi Arabia, India, China, etc.

South Africa has ZERO knowledge of piracy operations, that is why your dreams are so foolishly over-bloated

South Africa can NEVER match that, you have only four frigates, one in Mozambique, two frigates and one submarine at home on your massive 3,200km South African coastline you must not leave undefended, and best you can do is put one frigate and one submarine in gulf of guinea.

South Africa will be like a tiny navy lost massive oceans 10 million km sq wide, struggling to make it's presence felt, while pirates dribble you around

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ahahahah

That is no where near what NATO deployed

Dude, seriously.

your argument is beyond infantile at this point.

Did we say we would end priacy?

No!!

What we said is that we will be patrolling in your sphere of influence... and that is what is important

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831697:
Pirates rob ships, not only oil tankers but general goods cargo ships, they rob people of valuables and dollars, then speed of in a 32 knot double engine speed boat, this proves you have ZERO knowledge of piracy operations in South Africa.

Your Lynx helicopter radius range is maximum 200 km, so if the pirate alert from Ghana tells you the pirate speed boat is 400km away from your Valour Frigate, what are you going to do at frigate fuel management speed limit 16 knots to catch pirate speed boat of 32 knots already 400km away from your ship and escaping?
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You need satellite tracking, coastal radar tracking, and ATR-42 Surveyor air support tracking....South Africa will call Nigeria for help

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This guy thinks we will be chasing Delta Pirates

Dude, we are after the people who steal ships

Not petty theives who operate in your mangrove swamps

And... how do you unload a container ship in the middle of the ocean? Magic? Witchcraft?

Again, you dont understand the difference between interdiction and law enforcement. We are not going there to chase petty criminals. We are there to protect major international trade.

And yes, it will be an extreamely difficult job for us... but we would not have to do it if you could secure your own region of africa

We are going to spend billions of rands to clean up your mess

Joker

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831697:
Pirates rob ships, not only oil tankers but general goods cargo ships, they rob people of valuables and dollars, then speed of in a 32 knot double engine speed boat, this proves you have ZERO knowledge of piracy operations in South Africa.

Your Lynx helicopter radius range is maximum 200 km, so if the pirate alert from Ghana tells you the pirate speed boat is 400km away from your Valour Frigate, what are you going to do at frigate fuel management speed limit 16 knots to catch pirate speed boat of 32 knots already 400km away from your ship and escaping?
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You need satellite tracking, coastal radar tracking, and ATR-42 Surveyor air support tracking....South Africa will call Nigeria for help

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This guy thinks we will be chasing Delta Pirates

Dude, we are after the people who steal ships

Not petty theives who operate in your mangrove swamps

And... how do you unload a container ship in the middle of the ocean? Magic? Witchcraft?

Again, you dont understand the difference between interdiction and law enforcement

And yes, it will be an extreamely difficult job for us... but we would not have to do it if you could secure your own region of africa

We are going to spend billions of rands to clean up your mess

Joker

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831488:
Force projection by begging for help from 'weaker' countries = Failed force projection

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Nope

We will set up our on FOB to supply our smaller OPV's - and it will be an SANDF FOB

All 4 Frigates and all 3 subs and the Drakensberg can patrol your waters with ease.

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831488:
Reality has dawned on you that South African navy has to BEG ON HER KNEES for diesel fuel in Gulf Of Guinea....shame !

Force projection by begging for help from 'weaker' countries = Failed force projection

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What are you talking about?

Show me why we would have to beg for deisel.

We can sail to lagos

and then patrol a distance that is just short of the length of the entire south african coast

and then sail back to cape town

without re-fueling

And we have the ability to re-fuel and re-supply while on station.

We actually have force projection, you have none.

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831397:
Valour frigate is your ship, so you show us how much tonnes of fuel fills one tank, or am I a South African?

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I dont have to show you anything

I have shown you it has all the range it needs

I have shown it can be refuelled to extend its range

Its up to you to debunk these points.

AugustineAgain post=/post/26831203:
No, it's game over for you because you quoted a radar different from your own very source, you are the one doing editing now

Hamilton ship does NOT use the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar you quoted, you lose again, born loser

See your own source sreen shot photo below, where is the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar there ? Fraudster

End Of The Road For Patches

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I confused the designations...

but lest look at the AN/SPS-73 shall we?

The Radar Set AN/SPS-73(V)12 is a short-range, two-dimensional, surface search/navigation radar system that provides contact range and bearing information. The AN/SPS-73(V)12 provides for signal processing and automatic target detection capability. The AN/SPS-73(V)12 surface search function provides short-range detection and surveillance of surface units and low-flying air units,
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=1287&ct=2

Max effective range: 63 miles
http://www.studyblue.com/notes/note/n/radar/deck/4112305

Still no where near 500km

[size=15pt]You got clean busted buddy - Hamilton has no 500km radar!! You lied and were exposed with minimal effort!![/size]

You have never been on the road... your journey ended before it even started.

#ShowUsHamiltonClass500kmRadar

AugustineAgain: NAF Mi-171 Terminator obsolete ? You must still be suffering from your Mokopa accident !

NAF is buying this modern helicopter that entered the market in year 2002, more modern than your Gripen jet or ancient Oryx helicopter

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

NAF already has 10 of them in service, usually deployed for NA in Sudan-Dafur etc, we are just buying more squadrons, Fool

Patches is a Mokopa crash victim, he cannot even use google again, b.rain mixed with custard

Nigerian combat helicopters will be almost 100 units when all orders arrive...

South Africa fvcks about with 10 undedicated Rooivalks


Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 03 October 2014


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R: Nigeria

4 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2002) 2003 4 Mi-171Sh armed version
3 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2012)
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2012) Mi-171Sh armed version


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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According to SIPRI you have 13 Active

Add 40 to 13

Thats 53

Not 100

And the Mi Mil-17 is from 1970's

And according to your man beegeal himself - it is a transport

Nowadays Mi-171AMTSh (Mi-171Sh) helicopter appears to be one of the most popular medium military transport helicopters all over the world, on account of their versatility of the helicopter and its high performance.
http://beegeagle./2011/09/03/spotlight-terminator-mi-8amtshexport-model-mi-171sh-assaulttransport-helicopter-of-the-nigerian-air-force/

AugustineAgain: When your inexperienced navy sails in real long range patrol mode up to Gabon, come back and post it here

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Our "inexperienced" navy gets 8000 sea hours per year

How many does yours get?

Yeah, i thought so.

AugustineAgain: Navy 500km coastal radars or TV cameras 50km range or ATR-42 radar 300km range, will track your ships and radio the exact coordinates of your ships exact position to Army artillery command and control. Same way it's been done all over the world for decades, simple as ABC.

Go ask how Nigerian army army artillery dropped shells inside the room where RUF rebel commanders were holding meeting in Sierra Leone, South African Colonel Eben was praising us on that achievement last time I chatted with him on Beegeagle.

If you don't know how artillery communicates with air or land command and control, please go join a Police forum/thread.

Pirates use many different types of vessels for different types of criminal operations, some use high speed boats with double engines, and at 32 knots, they will dribble the whole South African navy 16 knots Frigates, your navy that has ZERO sea interceptors like our Shaldags, your submarine speed is even worse, those ones are bicycle speed, pirates will turn your navy into school children on a play ground

https://blog.cartran.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Boarding-of-pirate-group-skiff.jpeg
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Navy 500km coastal radars or TV cameras 50km range or ATR-42 radar 300km range, will track your ships and radio the exact coordinates of your ships exact position to Army artillery command and control. Same way it's been done all over the world for decades, simple as ABC.

You dont know how a military works - there are multiple links in the chain that the info needs to be relayed through, it will take minuts for shot correction.

Artillery without a data-link cannot hit a moving targets

Go ask how Nigerian army army artillery dropped shells inside the room where RUF rebel commanders were holding meeting in Sierra Leone, South African Colonel Eben was praising us on that achievement last time I chatted with him on Beegeagle.

Towns dont move

That didnt happen

And you never spoke to Colonel Eben

If you don't know how artillery communicates with air or land command and control, please go join a Police forum/thread.

Says the guy who doesnt understand a comms-net

Seriously brah, seriously.

Pirates use many different types of vessels for different types of criminal operations, some use high speed boats with double engines, and at 32 knots, they will dribble the whole South African navy 16 knots Frigates, your navy that has ZERO sea interceptors like our Shaldags, your submarine speed is even worse, those ones are bicycle speed, pirates will turn your navy into school children on a play ground

Super Lynx moves at more than 32knots

Speed is irrelevant, its about interdiction and re-capturing stolen ships and rescuing crews.

Show me the interceptors deployed by NATO off Somalia

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Nigeria uses high speed interceptor Shaldags with radar and FLIR to speed chase/catch pirates.

South African navy has NO sea interceptors [/size]


https://www.defense-update.com/images/super-dvora-iii.jpg
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Pirates hijack ships

Hijacked ships are oil tankers

They sail at less than 20knts

Not a problem

AugustineAgain: Or you return home as soon as you arrive? How do you patrol around in circles from Angola to Ghana, or are you just coming to mark register that you came and left immediately ?

South Africa has ZERO experience of piracy war at sea

See all the logistics and fuel problems Nigerians are showing you now? You never though about the distance and ship max range

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We can sail up and patrol 1000 miles.... thats 2,200km (the distanceis just short of the length of our coast).... and sail all the way back without re-fueling

And we can extend the range with re-supply.

You keep trying to make an argument.

But the numbers tell a different story

Also, what is to stop us setting a forward base in Angola so that we can also deploy our OPV's... like we did in Mozambique

AugustineAgain: I said some frigates need 4,000 tonnes to fill tank, so how many days will ALL your ships stay at sea in Gulf Of Guinea?
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Yes

You said

Show us how much fuel a valour class needs.

AugustineAgain: You just boomed yourself skyhigh

Your source does NOT say AN/SPS-55 radar, how the fvck did you mix your brain with custard ?

I prove you wrong below, 250nM is approx 500km. Go fvck your 180km radar short-sighted Valour frigates...fool

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Hahahahahahahaha


You think wikipedia is a viable source? How do we know you didnt edit it?

Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm


AN/SPS-55 from the 1960's was replaced during the upgrade

GAME. OVER

Enjoy your short range radar

agaugust: We don't have 18 rebel groups.


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Sorry, its 12 or so

Ansaru
Arewa People's Congress
Bakassi Boys
Bakassi Movement for Self-Determination
Boko Haram
Egbesu
Ijw Youth Council
Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta
Niger Delta Liberation Front
Niger Delta People's Volunteer Force
Niger Delta Vigilante
Oodu Peoples Congress
Yan Tatsine

agaugust: We don't have 18 rebel groups.

Where will you land? Niger Delta? MEND fighters are anxiously waiting to k.ill South Africans in revenge for Henry Okah !

Welcome into the mangrove swamps, that is where MEND militants will bury y.ou
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We dont want to land anywhere in your sh1thole country

agaugust: Unfortunately for you, the Mi-171Sh is an armed helicopter for combat and troop transport, with more weapon stations than the Mi-35M Hind, ALL the 40 Nigerian helicopters ordered are combat-attack-transport, sorry Fool, you lose again...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/09/terminator-mi-8amtshexport-modelmi-171shassaulttransport-helicopter1.jpg[/img]

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Its a sitting duck

Beyond obsolete.

And none of them exist yet - just like your magical 500km range radar

And the only one who has lost here is you (this entire piracy debate has been so much fun for me)

PrinxArthur1: still dumb,if it has 15,000km range then it only has 7,500km range without refueling.

No, it means you can travel 15,000km BEFORE you need to re-fuel.

Good lord man.

agaugust: NNS Thunder is still sailing to Australia.

Last time I checked, South African navy frigate SAS Kruger crashed into a sister ship during exercises at home and your own frigate sailed to the bottom of the ocean for ever
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O really?

So we are comparing ships. And now you bring up a ship we are not even talking about for the sake of an insult?

Should I start outlining the no less than 8 accidents the Aradu has had?

Or the fact that your navy has blown up no less than 3 of its own ships?

Yeah, thanks for playing.

Now go back to w@nking over your imaginary 500km radar systems

agaugust: I don't see Nigeria on the list of your source, I see Angola and Namibia.

You have NOT even sailed a ship to Angola yet, your plan of 2015 depends on availability of fuel in South Africa's low supply, ask SAAF
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Where is the Gulf of Guinea?

agaugust: My pleasure...

"The Hamilton class cutter was the largest class of vessel in the United States Coast Guard until replaced by the National Security Cutter, aside from the Polar Ice Breakers. The hull classification symbol is prefixed WHEC. The cutters are called "Hamilton class" after their lead ship, or "Secretary class" because most of them were named for former Secretaries of the Treasury (with the exception of "Hero Class cutters" Jarvis, Munro and Midgett,). They are powered by a CODOG (Combined Diesel or Gas) system consisting of two diesel engines and two gas turbines, and have controllable pitch propellers. Equipped with a helicopter flight deck, retractable hangar, and the facilities to support helicopter deployment, these 12 cutters were introduced to the Coast Guard inventory in the 1960s. Beginning in the 1980s and ending in 1992, the entire class was modernized through the Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization (FRAM) program."

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HAHAHAHA!!

You avoided showing us the Radar Range!!

And I know why!!

Patchesagain: Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm

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agaugust: NATO had aircraft carrier full naval task force fleet off Somalia coast. South Africa has NOTHING like that


Fool ! That NNS Okpabana was an American ship in full service up till this year 2014, you think America uses obsolete radar?

ALL Hamilton class ships were upgraded and modernized in a steady program completed in 1992 loading them with sophisticated navionics, you are a lost fool

NNS Okpabana radar range 500km
Valour frigate radar range 180km

Now we know who will search and track a pirate 200km away....Nigerian navy !!!!!!!!

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Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm

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agaugust: Fool ! That NNS Okpabana was an American ship in full service up till this year 2014, you think America uses obsolete radar?

ALL Hamilton class ships were upgraded and modernized in a steady program completed in 1992 loading them with sophisticated navionics, you are a lost fool

NNS Okpabana radar range 500km
Valour frigate radar range 180km

Now we know who will search and track a pirate 200km away....Nigerian navy !!!!!!!!

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Prove it.

agaugust: Some frigates single tank alone needs 4,000 tonnes of fuel !!!! You think your 5,500 tonnes extra tank in Drakensberg is an oil refinery ?

How many tonnes of fuel refills the tank of a valour frigate? Also how many tonnes of fuel refills the tank of the Drakensberb herself ?

#Self Trap

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Why would the Drankensburg need to re-fuel? It can get to Lagos and back (with 1000 miles to spare) on one tank.

It doesnt matter how much fuel a valour class takes, with a refuel of just half a tank it means it can get from cape town to lagos with 4000 miles to spare.

Your entire argument is pointless and semnatic.

Fact is that we can patrol your waters with ease, and extend those patrols with the use of a re-supply vessel.

[size=15pt]THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

THE NIGERIAN NAVY DID NOT CAPTURE THE SHIP THAT WAS HIJACKED OFF ANGOLA

THEY DID NOT CAPTURE IT IN ANGOLAN WATERS EITHER!!

THE PIRATES GAVE IT BACK TO THEM!!

This is the first of a two-part series on piracy in West Africa.
In the early hours of 18 January 2014 a 75,000-ton tanker, the MT Kerala, vanished off the coast of Angola. A sophisticated pirate gang hijacked the Greek-owned vessel, disabling its identifications system and communication equipment, and painting over its identifying markers.

More than a week later and 1,300 miles away, the hijackers released Kerala off the coast of Nigeria, after offloading 12,270 tons of its diesel cargo to other ships.
http://news.usni.org/2014/03/10/piracy-gulf-guinea-oil-soaked-pirates[/size]

agaugust: You how do you think? assume the pirate ship is stuck dead in the middle of the ocean waiting for you? Fool.

Now I see that the whole of South Africa has NO idea of how pirates operate and where they speed off to after a criminal operation.

SAN is a novice- rookie, welcome to the school of anti-piracy ops, your school master is Mr.NN....Mr.Nigerian Navy !

https://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tag-reuters-6.jpeg
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Do you even know how pirates operate?

agaugust: [size=16pt]Rooivalk is an dedicated undedicated attack helicopter of ancient armaments

1. ONLY one gun
2. Some dumb old school rocket pods with zero guidance


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Which has acheived more than the entire Nigerian Armed forces!!