₦airaland Forum

upko1:
All these beef no go carry person go heaven oh
Country wey manufacture missile wey miss target better pass the one wey no get

agaugust:
No evidence of any Mokopa order anywhere for SANDF.

Yes, 8 km is an easy target range for a guided missile, it is guided to an electronically marked, programmed, and connected/linked, and already known target.

Yes thats easy target....but visiting air force officers saw a real failure. Sure Denel is embarrased for telling lies in marketing.

agaugust:
Yes, as it happens all over the world. Thousands of air forces officers around the world attend many aircraft demo shows and buy nothing.

A demonstration is not a purchase contract. Even the far cheaper T-129 ATAK we have attended demo show and not bought it. There is no Rooovalk talk from any NAF officer. Only Denel is saying it.

agaugust:
Actually the marketed range is 10 km, so why was Denel deceiving the world? I have always said the Mokopa was not ordered because it will not work long range effect, now I am proved right. Surely it will even miss target at 6 km.

agaugust:
Show me where NAF source says Nigeria has interest in Rooivalk. Denel official is not a qualified spokesman for NAF.

agaugust:
Yes, other attack helos don't miss an easy target....like the Rooivalk missed
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agaugust:
Marketing propaganda to save face in front of foreign potential customers....narrowly by how many metres? How many metres off target?

ATGM HEAT can only kill a tank by directly hitting target.

If the distance is off target by a number of meters, even a soft skin Toyota will escape alive because Mokopa warhead is small, and missing target does not mean it hit the ground beside the target, it can just glide closely beside it and pass by to keep flying aimlessly till missile fuel finishes.

Who will use expensive Mokopa to kill terrorists rag tag old model second hand used Toyota soft skin that costs $5,000 ? The missile probably costs 10 times more than the target. What kind of battlefield tactics is that? Who can afford the financial costs?

Okay, you know say Gripen has poor laser designation capabilities. I see. I agree with you, Gripen is a $60 million jet that CANNOT designate target with the acclaimed and advertised Link ZA superb tactical datalinks that we are told has made Gripen and Rooivalk capable of exchanging target information 'effectively' and the LITENING advanced laser targeting pod, and the 'advanced' Rooivalk cockpits targeting systems, upgraded, state-of-the-art, and the high performance long range many years tested, market ready Mokopa guided missile, and the $40 million Rooivalk allegedly praised for 'super performance' by the UN in Congo DRC, is now missing target, clearly marked, designated, pre-confirmed, Denel planted and location disclosed target that the Rooivalk did not even have to look for....and still that easy MISSED TARGET !!!!

African air forces should just do what africaken has said, use $40 million to buy 10 units of Gazelle or Fennec type of scout attack helicopters at $4 million each and go kill Al, Shabab, Boko Haram, Ansar Dine with guarantee of hitting target, cheap missiles are in the Chinese market.

Henry240:
It is completely irrelevant arguing over what doesn't exist. I'm not interested.

Henry240:
Denel reached sexual climax with the participation of Nigeria, hence they ran to defenceweb to mention our name. Pretty desperate if you ask me.


Nothing more comical than a Helicopter which misses it's target, it was Comedy Central Untamed" for the Nigerian delegation.

Henry240:
Nobody is buying your half-french piece of crap! This is a fact!


The NAF was invited by Denel to see an attack helicopter which can't even hit it's target 2km short of the fraudulent 10km advertised.

Stop working yourself up over nothing.

Henry240:
NAF has a follow-on order of 2 MI-35M, bringing total to 8 MI-35M ordered.

agaugust:
10 km range MOKOPA HIGH PERFORMANCE GUIDED MISSILE missed a clearly marked and pre-confirmed target at 8 km firing range
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Henry240:
-If it enters service with Nigeria, it becomes an African success.

agaugust:
So you now say Rooivalk can ONLY operate against rag tag M23 rebels armed with ordinary machine guns like 14.5mm, and that Rooivalk cannot fight against a real army. Okay, I agree.

Multi-asset fusion that resulted in $40 million Rooivalk and $60 million Gripen = $ 100 million joint air assets firing an expensively priced guided missile and MISSING TARGET....MISSED A CLEARLY MARKED, ELECTRONICALLY DESIGNATED, AND CONFIRMED LOCATION TARGET in broad daylight...Alright, I see how the invited viewer air forces are expected to spend $ 100 million to fire and miss target in real life war and get k.illed in counter-fire reply from the enemy that has SAM and MANPAD like South Sudan army, not to talk of the real African regional powers.

Pic....South Sudan MANPAD
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agaugust:
Quote where NAF said they are desperate for Rooivalk attack helicopter. NAF budget 2016 shows orders for brand new Mi-35 Hind E, why did NAF not order Rooivalk instead?

Denel was doing desperate marketing of a rebel worthy helicopter....Mumu.

agaugust:
Bwahaha

Nigeria was invited and we went like others went. Egypt has about 40 Apaches, they wont buy a lesser rated Rooivalk that has not seen 1% of the wars Apache has fought in 20 years of combat history. Nigeria is looking at several helicopters, NAF wont spend $40 million on Rooivalk when T-129 ATAK costs only $20 million and has latest 2014 avionics and design.

Lol, Denel is desperate to find buyer for Roovalk and is inviting countries to look at its show.....Nobody has promised to spend $1 on the Rooivalk, they all looked at it and walked away back home.
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Henry240:
It turns out Nigeria could potentially also build the Rooivalk MK2. It means we would upgrade the helicopter from it state of obsolescence. It says it right there in that article.

Henry240:
Anyway not to read any meaning into a demonstration, however if the NAF is genuinely interested, and political leaders set aside their petty differences, the Rooivalk MK2 could be a decent success for the NAF and Africa.

africaken:
how many rooivalk do you have,can they cater for south african army needs in battle ?

agaugust:
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As part of the revitalised Rooivalk Mk 2 programme, Denel is moving forward with certifying the Mokopa missile on the aircraft and two missiles were fired during the Rooivalk demonstration on 3 and 4 February, 2016.

The Rooivalk launched the acclaimed 10 km range missile at a range of 8 km, which followed the laser beam from the Gripen, but narrowly missed the target.

Source : defenceweb, 7 hours ago.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-42356/

Guided missile Mokopa of 10 km range MISSED TARGET at 8 km firing range, so what will happen at 10 km ? What will happen if an attack helicopter missile misses a radar guided anti-aircraft SAM system like Pantsir in real war, not against rag tag rebels ?
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bidexiii:
Correct......

Has anyone imagined why the t90 is smaller amongst his rival class, yet deadly

agaugust:
Nobody is shifting any goal post, we are just educating you to correct your big error of a near genocidal battlefield tactics to mass murder innocent civilians on African streets by using indirect fire area effect high explosive mortar shells to counter high speed high mobility Toyota gun trucks of terrorists. Only you think an unguided mortar shell will easily hït a fast driving crazy swerving Toyota vehicle that is NOT sitting down for you like a lame duck.

You do not know what urban COIN warfare in civilian towns and cities looked like.

There are many African streets with 2km long line of sight for terrorists and armies to shõõt at targets in direct fire mode point effect. We have 5km long roads and bridges, we have long streets 3km long traffic jams, we do street protests of people stretching 5km long marching line of protesters.

You CANNOT use area effect mortars in urban area where innocent civilians live, it is mass murder. African national Armies will have to counter terrorists' guns with equal firepower type of army guns, or else good people will lose, and bad people will win.
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agaugust:
Fools have taken over South African navy, incompetent Zulus-Xhosas-Bantus-Cape Colony Coloreds, a total combination of born fools.

The aparthied whiteman era navy purchased 22m T-Craft as IPV, the Zulus want to purchase 50m to 60m IPV.....LOL 60m is almost a corvette, LOL the slow speed will make pirates twin engined speed boats to outrun their navy boats...a LOL 60m will run aground to sea bed patrolling shallow coastal waters as inshore, he even said the IPV will be dragging undership towed array sonar around shallow waters, that one will get hooked to shallow seabed mud and sea weed !!!

Mad people all over South Africa !!!




Officially according to South African navy, your current IPV is T-Craft 22m speed boats.

Project Biro plan of 50m is an MPV technically. An IPV needs small size, super speed. Helmod Heittman your defence expert says the 50m-60m boats are a bad choice of size for IPV role. Why won't your navy make mistakes in procurement when your past and current navy chiefs of staff were declared not to be qualified sailors, why won't they buy the wrong boats?

agaugust:
So why does your navy sail around the sea in so many little speed boats? 3 units of 22m T-Crafts classified as SAN IPVs and 26 units of 10m Namacurra classified as patrol boats that are all even smaller in size than Nigerian Shaldags? So your navy bought about 30 USELESS speed boats?

Either you or your navy, one is a fool

DarkTroll:
Google? Shut your mouth filled with kola-stained teeth. Your stupidity is on steroids. Every thrash is in Google.

And an intellectually diminutive buffoon like you spew rubish on the internet to get cheap Validation to fill up your empty life.

Bastardo!!!

DarkTroll:
I know this Muppet will come up with a well woven , fabricated event. Give us more details. Which Zulu is in NASA?

Your life's quest is to seek the praise of Nigeria.

Idiots!!!

Henry240:
Retaard, you are arguing with yourself. In real life this behaviour is considered as insanity.


Point still remains you South-Africans should first get your facts in order. When it is harmonised, then we can argue. My source which is South-African is from 2015.

Henry240:
My source is defenceweb, can you dispute that?

Henry240:
I'm never one to shy away from a challenge, bring it on! But are you sure you have the mental capacity to challenge a Nigerian?



My source is defenceweb.co.za. You brainless zulus should get your own facts you claim to know right, then we can have an argument.

Henry240:
Far from it, I'm not even remotely racist.

Henry240:
Booo huuuu!!! You reported, congratulations.