africaken254: how many times have you seen TOW crews in syria target all sorts of targets without the enemy being aware ! but because you want to believe you have an invisible badger ICV .continue with your infatuation
Badger has better optics than the obsolete series of t72 in syria
Armor deployed without infantry will allways be toast
agaugust: Dont mind army guide posting a whole bunch of wrong info on that cannon, all those specs they call unique are available on other countries 30mm cannon, some marketing guy fed them with wrong data and they swallow it. Maximum effective range of GI-30 from Denel data sheet is 3 km. Maximum rate of fire is 200 rpm, and if the Badger faces ambush or swarm attack by enemy terrorists in Toyota gun trucks its slow rate of fire will be a big disadvantage, the Russian/Ukrainian made 30mm autocannon has selected rate of fire options of 200 rpm, 300 rpm, 550 rpm, 800 rpm for different levels of enemy threat. You don't need to waste ATGM to kïll a Badger IFV, one single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in 2 hours with no reply from the Badger IFV battalions. It's a $5 million price per vehicle rip off by Finland on Denel, a very bad deal, reason why it dragged from 1997 to 2016 with only 5 experimental units produced in Finland. Yet the people concerned are blinded by national ego they dont see they have been ripped off. Badger is more expensive than new year 2011 extra hi-tech MS variant T-90 tank that combines missiles with its main gun.
Lol
"I am right all the links are lies!"
Confirmed to have lost his mind.
Also - i have disproven every single statement you just made.
For the sake of this thread, stop posting this trash
africaken254: he said it was unique that was the question.do you assume someone with WIFI in his house,lying in his bed while surfing can't do basic research on google,youtube e.t.c on this topic !
agaugust: Patcbes is croat. How can a Croatian citizen in a non-English speaking Croatia suddenly wake up one morning and becomes ready to die for South Africa and he is anti-Agaugust, he never sees anything wrong with Patches comments, he chooses to attack me instead, why would a real Croatian do that? You are being rëtärdëd if you dont see that logic. The probing questions I asked about his Croatian characteristics that is 100% a photocopy of Patches characteristics, including personality traits like strikingthrough/crossing out peoples comments, calling people delusional, saying people are grasping for straws....that is how FBI and CIA catches criminals by personality traits, I just educated those of you who dont know how spies burst hidden people out of their holes in espionage style.
agaugust: You need to move beyond your obsession with telling lies and deceiving innocent readers on this forum.
Post your citations' website names not weblinks to clutter this thread, thats what I did with defenceindustry daily. Give name of source, people can google it.
One single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in two hours, and the Badger cannot fight back or defend itself. Badger IFV fails to meet NATO standard of basic modernity. .
What are you going to do when i post links for every single claim?
Are you going to aplogize?
Ps: look up the NATO definition before i am forced to embarras you
agaugust: Stop attaching lies to your comments and stop trying to force false information down our throats.
Which source says Badger 30mm cannon is the most advanced in the world? Show us the source and stop making up things.
I could also claim the newly developed Ukrainian ZTM-2 is the most modern 30mm cannon in the world because it came into market around 2014.
BMP-3 model 1987, nobody buys that anymore, its no longer produced. The current modern variants BMP-3F and BMP-3M is what buyers are now getting.
Badger, 2010 ? Badger is based on Patria and the Patria project started in Finland in 1995...that is 21 years ago.
Project Hoefyster started in 1997.....google it on defenseindustry daily website, the Badger IFV is a 20 year old obsolete concept design, there is nothing modern about a 20 years ago concept.
The extra floor protection is basic MRAP technology and nothing is cutting edge about it, it actually made the Badger to lose it's amphibious capability, how is that for your fake 'cutting edge tech' claims?
Badger 30mm cannon has low rate of fire per minute and is incapbale of rapid fire at a high rate.
Your 60mm mortar is the most advanced in the world? Mortar is mortar dude, or your own Badger mortar fires nuclear shells? Which source proves your mortar is better than all other mortars in the world ?
No other African country needs to have your own exact type of trackers and thermal imagers, their IFV is made in a different country and have their own electronic instruments, why must they have your own type?
Badger mortar carrier is not an IFV, it has no cannon, NATO standard says IFV must carry cannon at least 20mm.
Badger missile carrier is not an IFV, it has no cannon, and fails to meet NATO standard of 20mm cannon minimum.
Only the Badger with 30mm cannon and 12.7mm machine gun is an IFV, all other Badger types or variants are not IFV.
Firepower has to do with modernity just like onboard equipment/instrumentation. NATO standard says 20mm cannon minimum for IFV and it says for modern IFVs, anti-tank missiles to defend itself against enemy tanks. So the lack of combined cannon + missile capability has removed the Badger from the NATO standard definition of a modern IFV.
One single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in two hours, and the Badger cannot fight back or defend itself. It's one of the worst IFVs in Africa for the price of almost $5 million per Badger.
Sorry to burst your bubble. No offence intended. Just wish you stop posting lies upon lies. Thank you.
What are you going to do when i post a citation for each of my claims?
Badger is the most advanced, simple undeniable fact.
You need to move beyond your anti-South Africa obsession.
agaugust: The whole world was involved in anti-piracy ops off coast of Somalia including many non-NATO navies like Sweden, Australia, Cyprus, Malta, Ireland, China, India, Iran, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, Russia, Thailand, and Saudi Arabia etc , navies of the whole world. NN is almost alone in the Gulf of Guinea/ Atlantic ocean. Angola is buying Su-30 Flanker jets instead of buying OPV.
Irrelevant.
In terms of ships seized and pirates arrested NATO has plenty more experince
Badger IFV has no area weapon, no automatic grenade launcher, no missiles, and the missile version has no cannon. How is that most advanced in Africa when Equatorial Guinea is buying latest version BMP-3 and others have BTR-4E that combines cannon + auto grenade + missile launcher on one single vehicle?
Stop misimforming people for the sake of your personal ego.
- 60mm mortar area weapon - 30mm is an area weapon
- ingwe atgm, variant armed with 12.5mm
We have a different doctrine which calls for specialization over versatility - a doctrine developed over 25 years of AFRICAN warfare
I also fail to see how firepower relates to modernity
My statement was that it is the most advanced is thus still correct
agaugust: Nigerian navy should be teaching these NATO navies about maritime security operations and rescue of pirate hijacked ships, not the other way round. We currently have more experience than them.
Yeah, lets just ignore all the ops they have had off somalia
Yesterday, South African President Jacob Zuma made a surprise announcement that he had decided to withdraw the 800-odd South African National Defence Force (SANDF) troops who have been participating in UNAMID – the hybrid United Nations-African Union peacekeeping mission in Darfur, Sudan – the announcement would surely have been welcomed most enthusiastically by Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir. One could say Zuma thus did him, wittingly or unwittingly, another big favour – following on the refusal of the South African government to arrest al-Bashir on International Criminal Court charges last June when he participated in the African Union summit in Johannesburg.
Exellent
Been saying we should do this for ages.
That deployment is a waste of manpower and resources
- Why did Denel consider it necessary to name names, Denel.
-Which media outlet chose to publish the report, Defenceweb.
All of them South-African. Not even a tweet from the NAF.
I bet if i was standing 2 feet in-front of that missile, it would still miss. Obsolete piece crap half-french helicopter. Not even Somalia would buy that helicopter which can't do what it's supposedly built to do....... Hit a target.
Thanks for proving again how obsolete the half-french is. I'm 100% sure the delegations would have "buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"...... Rolling on the floor!
1. Where does it say they were invited?
2. List missiles/attack helicopters which can engage at the range of 8km and above
This is a winning topic for me, let's keep this up
Henry240: Quote any poster, then reply in the discussions thread. It's a very simple process. There is this satisfaction you enjoy seeing this place wrecked.
Or we could just say:
DONT POST OPIONIONS HERE
I said that from the start
Everything here was fine until you let Augustus start writing essays
agaugust: People are complaining, nobody is running away, people say its enough, use your head, and carry the over repeated argument to a discussion thread.
agaugust: DONT MESS UP THIS PHOTO THREAD WITH TOO MUCH REPEATED ARGUMENTS, we can carry the Rooivalk + Gripen + Mokopa failure to another thread. A discussion thread.
Now you want to run and hide in the other thread?
How is displaying world leading capabilities a failure?
upko1: You no sabi pidgin ni? I'm saying that atleast an African country indigenously manufactured a guided missile which missed it target during test. It is far better than Nigeria whose defence industry is eating millions and churning out pile of outdated mess
Yes! I'm a Nigerian, but I condemn mediocrity and hypocrisy
agaugust: Other countries were not making false claims of a 10km air launched ATGM.
You were deceiving the world by claiming a long range that was beyond the capacity of South African technology for an ATGM. Learn your lesson, Denel should be honest next time.
agaugust: Denel said DEMONSTRATION FOR INTERESTED BUYERS not test.
Tests had been done repeatedly before now. Stop lying, its a marketing show to alleged interested buyers not an internal Denel laboratory experimental test.
If the Mokopa had hit target, you wont come here and tell us it was a test. We are not kids or fools here, mister Mike.
Tell us which missiles can do the same
You criticise it yet you have nothing to compare it to!!
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 9:55am On Mar 03, 2016
